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Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 05:12 PM Sep 2014

The Intercept: Obama's best hope against ISIS was just killed, so let's make friends with Iran

Obama’s non-Iranian options look particularly bleak after yesterday’s shocking assassination of one of Syria’s top anti-ISIS rebel commanders and dozens of his lieutenants. The commander, Hassan Abboud, was killed in an explosion during an underground meeting. So many members of his group, Ahrar al-Sham, were killed in the explosion that it’s now unclear whether it will continue to exist and provide a key counterweight to ISIS. Ahrar al-Sham was one of the best organized Syrian opposition factions aside from ISIS.

The loss of Abboud and his lieutenants only underlines the need for a reset of U.S. policy in the region. While American politicians have cast ISIS as a mortal threat to their country, the group’s primary conflict today is not with the United States — even if ISIS’s horrific beheadings of U.S. citizens served the group’s propaganda goals, and even if America’s catastrophic military adventurism facilitated its creation and ascendance.

No, ISIS’s real focus today is on expanding its territory by combating regional governments — Iraq and Syria at the moment — and by fending off rival militias. And it turns out this has done wonders for relations within the Middle East. For the first time in three years, the interests of Iran, Turkey, Syria, Qatar and Iraq are all aligned towards stifling the existential threat posed by the radical insurgency of ISIS. Even the Iranian and Saudi governments — normally bitter rivals — are seeking to set aside their differences to confront this rising danger.

Within this new political alignment lies Obama’s best hope for the military defeat of ISIS. The future of Abboud’s group is in doubt, the much-vaunted Kurdish Peshmerga has never mounted a successful offensive operation in its history, and the U.S-trained Iraqi Army has demonstrated its combat effectiveness by literally running at the sight of ISIS advances in Mosul. But there’s one party that has demonstrated both a willingness and ability to combat ISIS: Iran.


https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/09/10/americas-incomprehensible-isis-policy/
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The Intercept: Obama's best hope against ISIS was just killed, so let's make friends with Iran (Original Post) Luminous Animal Sep 2014 OP
Just like a leader of Afghan Anti-Taliban forces was taken out 9/9/2001. KeepItReal Sep 2014 #1
I think promoting and nurturing an alliance of Iran, Turkey, Syria, Qatar and Iraq is a Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #2
Totally - cilla4progress Sep 2014 #28
But that would mean abandoning plans to destroy Syria and Iran Scootaloo Sep 2014 #30
Your post was alerted on by someone, for non-existent malware just FYI /nt Dragonfli Sep 2014 #3
Thanks for letting me know! Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #4
I've seen a lot of this lately, it appears to be a new tactic Dragonfli Sep 2014 #6
Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #16
Okey-doke. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #17
Weirdest most honest internet post I've ever seen. JaneyVee Sep 2014 #20
what were your previous usernames? nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #21
Didn't find any malware, strange alert imo. Rex Sep 2014 #5
It's a new tactic, I imagine it works upon occasion as some jurors Dragonfli Sep 2014 #7
kpete had a post hidden earlier this week on a fake malware alert... SidDithers Sep 2014 #8
Thanks, that sounds like a good Idea. /nt Dragonfli Sep 2014 #11
I'll send them the alert. Rex Sep 2014 #13
Thank you for posting to ATA. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #22
Isn't it amazing how we spent a decade trying to train a military SoCalDem Sep 2014 #9
Wait... you don't think the goal was to create a capable Iraqi military, do you?! Scootaloo Sep 2014 #31
make friends with Iran? Blue_Tires Sep 2014 #10
Why yes, I do believe that Murtaza Hussain knows what he is saying. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #12
There are elements in Iran who insist that ISIS is a US invention to get THEM eventually. MADem Sep 2014 #19
Doesn't matter now. Major Hogwash Sep 2014 #26
Not publicly, certainly. nt MADem Sep 2014 #27
The Iranian people don't seem to be all that much different from anyone else. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #14
it's long past time to stop pretending iran is an enemy and threat to the US KG Sep 2014 #15
You would think that would have happened... Oilwellian Sep 2014 #18
I'd just dump it at the doorstep of Tehran and leave it. roamer65 Sep 2014 #23
While much of what this says seems sensible, there are two things that seem less so karynnj Sep 2014 #24
Murtaza Hussain has been pushing for a friendship with the leaders of Iran for a while now oberliner Sep 2014 #25
Say it with me cilla4progress Sep 2014 #29

KeepItReal

(7,769 posts)
1. Just like a leader of Afghan Anti-Taliban forces was taken out 9/9/2001.
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 05:20 PM
Sep 2014

Al Qaeda and ISIL using the same playbook it appears.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
2. I think promoting and nurturing an alliance of Iran, Turkey, Syria, Qatar and Iraq is a
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 05:27 PM
Sep 2014

brilliant idea. It is a regional threat and ISIL is a common enemy to all 5. And it will keep the focus off the U.S.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
30. But that would mean abandoning plans to destroy Syria and Iran
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 02:38 AM
Sep 2014

And those plans have been in place for several administrations now.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
6. I've seen a lot of this lately, it appears to be a new tactic
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 05:39 PM
Sep 2014

that assumes the jurors will not risk checking the link, clever, even if deceitful. There was even a discussion about this tactic in MIRT.

Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #4)

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
5. Didn't find any malware, strange alert imo.
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 05:37 PM
Sep 2014

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The Intercept: Obama's best hope against ISIS was just killed, so let's make friends with Iran
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Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
7. It's a new tactic, I imagine it works upon occasion as some jurors
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 05:41 PM
Sep 2014

will just take the alerter's word for it rather than risk exposure by following the link.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
8. kpete had a post hidden earlier this week on a fake malware alert...
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 05:46 PM
Sep 2014

Maybe alert on your results message so Admins can see if it is the same alerter as the kpete thread.

Edit: discussion about kpete's hide here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025509052

Sid

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
13. I'll send them the alert.
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 06:09 PM
Sep 2014

Not saying I can find it all, but I didn't find any malware at the link.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
22. Thank you for posting to ATA.
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 11:26 PM
Sep 2014

I was going to do that myself but then had some distractions.

Hope they move on this soon.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
9. Isn't it amazing how we spent a decade trying to train a military
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 05:46 PM
Sep 2014

yet this rag-tag group of gangsters seems very able to motivate their trainees.. Our well-trained, well-equipped Iraqi military shook off their uniforms , handed over their equipment, and ran for their lives..

All the money we wasted on training and equipping, ( and destroying their country) would have been better spent if we had built houses, schools, hospitals, power companies, and just handed out money to the people, so they could grow a real economy..

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
31. Wait... you don't think the goal was to create a capable Iraqi military, do you?!
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 02:43 AM
Sep 2014


No, no. The idea was to create a weak Iraqi military - we wouldn't want a military force that could possibly rival our Shitty Little client State in the region, after all. But more than that, we wanted them dependent. The Iraqi military is currently totally reliant on American equipment. And where do they get that equipment? well, we sell it to them, don't we? We're basically pushers, keeping our addicts strung along, looting htem every time they get a jonesing. And if they fail, well, then we have an excuse to come in and "help" - a move which lets us target who we want where we want.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
12. Why yes, I do believe that Murtaza Hussain knows what he is saying.
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 05:56 PM
Sep 2014

Build a coalition, that includes Iran, across ideological lines to enable a regional solution against a common enemy.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
19. There are elements in Iran who insist that ISIS is a US invention to get THEM eventually.
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 12:37 PM
Sep 2014

You think there are people HERE who love conspiracy theories? That one is as popular as Christmas in December in New England!

ISIS doesn't care for the shi'a one whit, and Iran is mostly shi'a. It's a huge country chock-a-block full of a small sect, in essence!

It is an opportunity for rapprochement on a small scale, over this specific issue. There's a lot of fence mending to do, though. This is going to take a long, long time.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
26. Doesn't matter now.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 12:19 AM
Sep 2014

Secretary Kerry said that Iran would not be included in any effort to fight ISIL.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
14. The Iranian people don't seem to be all that much different from anyone else.
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 06:24 PM
Sep 2014

But they have to deal with a corrupt and brutal government. Which, come to think of it, isn't all the different either.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
23. I'd just dump it at the doorstep of Tehran and leave it.
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 11:31 PM
Sep 2014

This whole mess is a proxy war between Riyadh and Tehran. Let them solve it.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
24. While much of what this says seems sensible, there are two things that seem less so
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 11:37 PM
Sep 2014

1) The organization whose leaders were killed is one rebel groups with extensive links to AQ - thus it never would have been "Obama's best hope" (There are a huge number of rebel groups - those not in ISIS are not all "together" - they have huge differences.

2) While the idea that ISIS threatens that long list of states, it is probably hard to picture them all working together as many have long been against others. (It would be beyond credible to imagine all of them - even if they are not friendly - were willing to work together on anything - much less something as important as this. It would be a whole different (better) ME.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
25. Murtaza Hussain has been pushing for a friendship with the leaders of Iran for a while now
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 11:43 PM
Sep 2014

Do people really think that is a good idea?

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