Michael Moore Slams Obama: HIstory Will Only Remember You Were a Black President ..

[kpete]

Michael Moore Slams Obama: HIstory Will Only Remember You Were a Black President

..."When the history is written of this era, this is how you'll be remembered: he was the first black president," Moore said during a discussion at The Hollywood Reporter's video lounge at the Toronto Film Festival.

"OK, not a bad accomplishment, but that's it," the director said. "That's it, Mr. Obama. 100 years from now, 'he was the first black American that got elected president' and that's it. Eight years of your life and that's what people are going to remember. Boy, I got a feeling, knowing you, that -- you'd probably wish you were remembered for a few other things, a few other things you could've done."

"So, it is, on that level, a big disappointment," Moore said...

more:
https://movies.yahoo.com/news/michael-moore-slams-obama-history-only-remember-were-211803862.html


Personally, I think he will be remembered for much more than "being black"
LGBT and ACA, to mention 2...AND, those are BIG DEALS.

peace, kp

[snooper2]

1. and in 100 years Michael Moore will be remembered for....

um...hold a second, let me think about that

[LordGlenconner]

27. I'll help you

He'll be remembered for being an obese filmmaker.

[erodriguez]

200. BO first black pres. BO not a game changer

he's no FDR no Teddy Roosevelt no lincoln

He's woodrow wilson

[pnwmom]

119. For telling the President who dug us out of the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression

and got the first universal health care bill passed, along with a major expansion of Medicaid;

that he had accomplished nothing.

[gordianot]

2. Future generations will marvel at his patience and may attribute the worst cliche.

"Ahead of his time". Given the regressive nature of American Politics that may hold true in the short run.

[deafskeptic]

90. I'm certainly marveling at Obama's patience. I would have lost it a long time ago n/t

[loyalsister]

167. I would love to be a fly on the wall when he shoots baskets alone

I would imagine he lets loose somewhere. I can't imagine how angry he must be.

[underpants]

3. I don't know if MM was trying to be sarcastic

But I completely disagree

[Voice for Peace]

76. I think that headline is BS, the remarks out of context.

I would also be disappointed if that's the only thing he'll
be remembered for. I don't think it will be.

Giving Michael Moore the benefit of the doubt, I agree
that he could have done so much more in these years,
if it weren't for the anal retentive congress. Perhaps
there was more to that quote. We always get excerpts
after they've been politically edited. It's Yahoo, too.

[Le Taz Hot]

9. Fat "joke."

Classy.

[PAProgressive28]

23. Are you serious?

[geek tragedy]

24. You agree with Moore that Obama is nothing

more than his skin color?

[AndreaCG]

42. Don't be obtuse

The poster said nothing supporting Moore's statement. You can think fat jokes are an inappropriate way to criticize a person and still disagree with them. Grow up.

[geek tragedy]

44. The person rec'd the thread, posted their agreement

with Moore, and failed to even mildly object to the racist nature of the comments.

[beerandjesus]

59. Don't feed the trolls

Some people here revel in deliberately missing the point.

[arcane1]

108. Except that is not at all what Moore said. Not even close.

[geek tragedy]

117. He said Obama's only accomplishment is his skin

color. Reducing black people to the color of their skin is a pretty standard racist trick that white people do.

[Arcanetrance]

16. As a bigger guy I know they get made but Michael Moore isn't known to be classy himself

[alp227]

169. That post has been hidden 4-3 - I call it a hung jury,

since the jury took nearly 3 and a half hours to complete its verdict.

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And in 100 years Michael Moore will be known for being annoying and devouring entire boxes of donuts
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[Le Taz Hot]

188. Not surprised by the alert,

though I wasn't the Alerter. I registered my objections directly.

[Logical]

132. Classy weight insult! How progressive of you! nt

[Arcanetrance]

158. And how progressive of michael moore to disregard everything else the president and make it all

about skin color

[Logical]

159. Make some Christie weight jokes also. I am sure there are also some over weight DUers you....

can go insult.

Maybe your 10 years old, if so I understand.

[Arcanetrance]

162. So you decide to hurl insults at me by saying I'm a 10 year old

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I've got no need to insult anyone here at DU for the most part I've found that people here pretty cool. But Michael Moore lives on a high horse and his statement was wrong and I just thought it necessary to point out that the president will probably remembered a lot highly than Michael Moore will. On a completely different note Michael Moore could probably take a fat joke as easily as he could dish them out I know I can I'm not exactly a small guy at 6 foot 250 pounds.

[laundry_queen]

171. Boy are you obtuse. nt

[Octafish]

5. Six years in.

Still waiting in Detroit.

[OilemFirchen]

94. Perhaps you should speak with your Governor about that.

Or is there something special about Detroit that calls for Obama's unique talents?

[Octafish]

99. Well, Washington could do more. Don't you think?

Obama rejects federal aid for Detroit

By Jerry White
wsws.org, 30 July 2013

The Obama administration has rejected any federal rescue package for Detroit. The White House, which handed trillions of dollars to the banks and auto corporations, has made it clear it will do nothing to protect the pensions, jobs and social services of Detroit’s workers, which are targeted for massive cuts in the largest municipal bankruptcy in US history.

By tacitly supporting the decision of Michigan Governor Rick Snyder and Detroit’s emergency manager, Kevyn Orr, to throw Detroit into bankruptcy, the Democratic president is opening the floodgates to similar attacks on public-sector workers in cities across the country. Detroit will serve as a model for using unelected officials, such as the Wall Street bankruptcy lawyer Orr, and the medium of the bankruptcy courts to rip up agreements and gut the pensions and health benefits of millions of workers. Detroit marks a new stage in the assault on the entire working class.

Treasury Secretary Jack Lew made the round of the news interview shows Sunday morning and pointedly declared that Detroit had to resolve its own problems through the bankruptcy court. On ABC News’ “This Week” program, he said that “when it comes to the questions between Detroit and its creditors, that’s really something that Detroit is going to have to work out with its creditors.”

Asked on CNN’s “State of the Union” program why Detroit was receiving different treatment than the Wall Street banks and the auto companies, Lew said the situation was different at the time of the bank bailout because the entire US economy was hanging in the balance. “The situation in 2009, 2010 was unique, and it’s something that hopefully we never see again,” he declared.

CONTINUED...

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/07/30/detr-j30.html

As for our governor, Snyder hasn't helped. Neither did his predecessor. Even less, her predecessor.

Detroit's coming to your town, OilemFirchen. For your sake, I hope the change comes later.

[OilemFirchen]

122. Yes, of course. How can I not sympathize?

I live in inner-city Dayton, OH, where the streets are paved with gold.

BTW:

President Obama Working To Send $100 Million To Help Detroit's Retirees

President Barack Obama is reportedly trying to free up $100 million to send to bankrupt Detroit in an effort to reduce pension cuts to retired city workers.

The Detroit Free Press reported this week that the money would come from Michigan's allotment of federal dollars from the Hardest Hit Fund, established by the president with $7.6 billion to help 18 states who took major hits during the foreclosure crisis.

[Romulox]

106. Obama to Detroit: Drop Dead.

[Octafish]

118. Then the Feds bailed out New York City.

Shoot, a measley $2.3 billion (about $10 billion in today's dollars) probably seems like chump change to the Banksters.

http://www.propublica.org/special/government-bailouts

I understand NYC paid back its loan, unlike the Banksters who got to keep what they stole and the bail out -- plus don't forget their bonuses.

[WI_DEM]

6. A black president who was re-elected and who began the process to

to ensure health care for all citizens through the ACA. Who also inherited two wars and the worse economy since the depression and ended the war in Iraq and has begun the process in Afghanistan. Who got Bin Laden--and has seen the unemployment rate drop during his tenure from nearly 11% to nearly 6%. His great civil rights achievements involving LGBT. It's actually an enviable record. Michael Moore takes himself too seriously.

[geek tragedy]

7. Michael Moore goes racist. Pathetic and proof

that no matter how left-wing, some white people just can't help but reduce black folks to skin pigment.

See also Nader, Ralph.

Note to "Stupid White Men" (get the reference?) like Moore: look up the phrase Obamacare

[brush]

86. I'm also extremely disappointed in Moore

Obamacare, Lily Ledbettor Act, Bin Laden, minimum wage for fed employees, unemployment rate down, support of same sex marraige, dramatic shrinking of national debt, and on and on.

Moore knows better and should be ashamed of himself.

[AverageJoe90]

110. Nah, I doubt MM's a racist.

And, in fact, just throwing the word "racist" with abandon, just because someone disagrees with the President, isn't making us look any better, G.T.; not everyone who disagrees with BHO is a Teabagger. Just sayin'.

[geek tragedy]

115. Zzzzz. nt

[treestar]

121. That's not a disagreement on an issue

But a broad judgment.

[AverageJoe90]

125. Clarify, please? nt

[840high]

135. Correct.

[Cha]

142. Hello, Joe.. we're not saying Michael Moore is "racist" because he "disagrees" with the President..

we're saying he's racist because he reduced President Obama to.. "all he'll be remembered for in a 100 years is being a Black President".

Fuck off Michael Moore.. you racist piece of ignorant shite.

[AverageJoe90]

145. And I have my reasons to doubt there was any racist intent...or even content, within that statement.

Which doesn't mean that I'm not critical of M.M.'s position. You'll find that I disagree with him quite a bit, actually.

And, btw, you do realize I was only talking to ONE person, when I initially posted that, right?

[Cha]

146. And, I have my reasons to know it doesn't matter if Michael Moore is Ignorant of

his racism or not.. many of us know he's a ignorant piece of shit already.. but, it's still RACIST.

[AverageJoe90]

148. "but, it's still RACIST." That, we can't assume.

See? This is part of the reason why activist left continues to struggle so much at times.

I realize you may be a genuine Obama supporter, and guess what? So am I. But if you think this is helping us, it's really not. And bigdarryl had it right, btw: Progressives eating their own is a sad thing indeed.

[KitSileya]

170. Intent is not magical.

We judge Moore on what he said, not what he intended to say, or what he intended to mean by what he said. We cannot read his mind, and until or unless he clarifies his remarks, we judge him on his words, and his words are racist.

[AverageJoe90]

175. " Intent is not magical." Never said or implied it was.

With that said, however, there's a lot worse that could have been said. Regardless, it was a stupid comment, and one that I thought was in poor taste, but not actually quite racist.

[Cha]

180. This has nothing to do with my support for the President.. Michael Moore is a racist Piece of shite

for his Statement. He's the fucking one who's not helping and I don't need you to tell me I'm not helping.. that's just your opinion.

BFD.. I don't go by what others say to me on DU to gage what I think about an issue.

[Cha]

131. I know huh? Not only is a fucking ignorant blowhard.. he's a racist POS.

[MrMickeysMom]

166. You may have missed what his point was..

It's history that tells us who was right and who was going along with the status quo.

There have been plenty of white men (so far) who have gone along with the status quo and made a few good changes, or maybe even Medicare. Obama will be the same who has gone along with the status quo and made a few good changes, the only difference being he was the first black american to do so.

I don't think it's racist… It's just sad.

[Cha]

189. No one missed the point of Michael Moore's ignorant dismissive of President Obama only being

remembered for being the first Black President. It was stupid.

[freshwest]

185. +1,000. He had to go for the cheap shot. As The Magistrate said:

Anyone who confuses legal and political equality with identity of talents and character has never thought for two minutes consecutively about either thing.

~ The Magistrate

Goes for skin color, too, Mr. Moore. It's racism to demand he live up to your idea of what a black man is supposed to do, as if he was your property. Back off!

This is genius at work, pure purpose:



Yes, Michael Moore, he's a better man and much wiser than you will ever be. Just keep screeching, it only makes you look bad, not him.

[bettyellen]

196. careful Geek- you're getting alerts for "not adding to the discussion"

LOL- do you think the alerter actually understands community standards? Or maybe it's personal.


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[Le Taz Hot]

8. There was so much promise at the beginning.

Six years later, we're still waiting on him to keep more than a few of his promises. And the latest, The Dream Act "delay," right before the mid-term elections may very well mean thousands of Latinos will sit out this election. In the Central San Joaquin Valley, Hispanics sitting out the election means there's virtually NO chance of turning a couple of R Congressional seats into D. But more importantly, there will be thousands more people deported while the President plays politics to appease 3 Southern, right wing states.

[kelliekat44]

19. Ok...some things couldn't get done because of obstructionist in the GOP and his own party....but

wait until his term is all over before passing judgement.

[RKP5637]

10. MM is waaayyy off on this IMO. MM will be long forgotten, but Obama will be long

remembered for many good things. That, is not to say everything is perfect.

[leftstreet]

12. Being the first black US President is a big deal

Moore was probably trying to make a point, but he did it badly

[earthside]

13. Moore may be correct.

'No Drama' Obama has been MIA as an inspirational president.

Presidents are remembered and judge on more than just a list of legislative or executive accomplishments; they are also judged historically on how they inspired and led the American people, i.e., Pres. Kennedy, who was only in office for three years, but is regarded as an bold leader for the times.

Pres. Obama's coolness was perhaps initially needed as a contrast to G. W. Bush's recklessness, but even at the beginning of his first term Obama's ineffectiveness as a negotiator made his health care reform less than it ought to have been.

Frankly, Pres. Obama has not adequately challenged the nation to greater things; and he has, in my opinion, been quite weak in rhetorically challenging the Repuglicans.

I have thus far given Pres. Obama most credit for slowly (too slowly) getting us out of Iraq and Afghanistan ... but that, too, may be on the line for review if what is being reported today is made manifest this evening. We don't need to be suckered back into yet another middle east conflict.

Sorry to say that Barack Obama has been a fair-to-middling President; his inability or reluctance to fight the good fight for the working people of this nation has relegated him to mostly being "the first black president" ... he didn't turn out to be FDR, he turned out to be more like Grover Cleveland or more recently, Gerald Ford.

[kelliekat44]

20. He has been the President he has been allowed to be by the people and their elected officials. nt

[cascadiance]

51. He wasn't FORCED to push the TPP behind closed doors...

... and other trade deals that he's signed for that matter...

He wasn't forced to not say NO to the Keystone Oil pipeline...
He wasn't forced to pull back from even negotiating putting in a single payer or a public option in the health care bill negotiations...
He wasn't forced to endorse drone attacks that even targeted American nationals without due process.
He wasn't forced to put in place and keep Tom Wheeler as the lobbyist head of the FCC that wants to trash net neutrality for us.
He wasn't forced to put in DINO Rahm Emmanuel as his chief of staff that corporatistized Obama's cabinet so much.
He wasn't forced to put in Wall Street lobbyist Eric Holder in as his Attorney General that has lead to absolutely NOTHING being done to prosecute the criminal actions of Wall Street, a record far worse than even Ronald Reagan's administration, which prosecuted and jailed many of the criminals in the Savings and Loan crisis.

There are many more issues that I could go on with... But the bottom line is that most of what Obama will be remembered for are pushing for a few social issue reforms that the party demanded action on, but which wouldn't upset his corporate cronies in terms of what they've paid him to do. We'll be having the same problems with Hillary Clinton if we're not careful in who we elect in 2016 too...

[beerandjesus]

61. Oh, sounds like you're a racist too!

[cascadiance]

81. And you left out that I'm a sexist too! :)

... since I also put Hillary Clinton in the same category too!

[beerandjesus]

91. Absolutely!

I can't think of ANY other possible reason why you might conceivably be less than completely enthusiastic about the TPP!

[BuelahWitch]

65. Not to mention all the Bush admin crooks who kept their jobs

after he got into office.

[heaven05]

75. True

but you're ignoring the real politics of the last 6 years, the real power brokers that run this country by how much profit it can suck out the system in favor of some idealistic criticisms. So he will be remembered as a socialist? Hmmmm.......

[cascadiance]

79. They called him every name in the book, including that "socialist" Hitler too! :)

We need someone that will take on these crooked and arguably CRIMINALLY CORRUPT "power brokers" the way FDR did in his time when he "welcomed their hatred"...

We need that kind of strong will in our next president... Corporatists won't qualify. If Obama's getting pushed around this much as supposedly the most powerful man on the planet, and NOT by congress in the areas I mentioned above, then there is something SERIOUSLY wrong with our democracy that needs confronting, and not by weak will and obeyance the way this president has. It's hard telling how much of that has been pushed on him by powers that are illegitimately too powerful, or that he's so corrupted himself that he welcomes doing this work and is implicitly passing off the blame to his corruptors.

[heaven05]

139. really?

[cascadiance]

160. Google it... They're all over the place...

Here's one on a sign out in the street that clearly is not just a "fake" that someone's put on the internet...



and one that equivalences all three on the same sign...

[kelliekat44]

84. Hmm.. really? Please explain TPP and give all sides of the issue. nt

[cascadiance]

93. TPP? Google it to find out more... It's a lot like NAFTA, but on steroids...

... and they ARE trying to sneak this through fast track authority, when a treaty like this should be something where 2/3rd's vote for it after a very big public debate. Corporatists don't want you to know about these tools (along with TISA and other similar agreements in the works) for moving towards a fascist takeover of our government, where corporations can choose to not obey our laws, etc. too.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-burnett/trans-pacific-partnership_b_4479420.html

[Skittles]

155. HE CAN'T WAVE A MAGIC WAND!!!

YOU'RE JUST MAD BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T GET A PONY!!!

[joshcryer]

178. The nature of TPP means it must be secret.

Because some countries will get a better deal than others. This is basic realpolitik at its core.

Obama campaigned on Keystone and being a moderate bi-partisan President. So Rahm was predictable. Wheeler was logical, given his history of, you know, lobbying for the telecommunications industry.

And the prosecutions thing is a flat out lie.

Oh, and the ACA has a single payer provision in it for 2017 and at least one state will enact it (which it could not have done without the ACA).

[sabrina 1]

67. Did the people prevent him from NOT bailing out Wall St.? Airc, a majority of the people

did NOT want Wall St crooks to be 'rescued' they wanted them to be prosecuted. So just as one example, who forced him to rescue the 'Men Who Crashed The World' causing untold suffering to millions across the globe?

And who forced him to place Republicans in his cabinet, some of the same Bush appointees who were the CAUSE of many of the problems people overwhelmingly voted to put an end to in 2008? Were there no Dems who could have been appointed to National Security positions?

And who forced him to appoint Monsanto CEOs to his cabinet?

And was it the people who forced him to 'put SS on the Deficit Table' or to appoint some of the worst anti-SS Republicans to the Deficit Commission?

[randome]

22. When you fight a losing battle, you end up making your enemies stronger.

Obama has done what he could. And we keep electing the laziest, most worthless legislators to office to oppose him.
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[theHandpuppet]

43. The apathy of American voters for local and midterm elections...

... plays a huge role in setting up these losing battles. Drives me nuts how many people only show up to vote every four years or not at all.

[mazzarro]

78. +1000% - A truly disappointing performance

That he allowed his presidency to be rolled by centrism and the reThugs is the most damning aspect of the whole thing.

[laundry_queen]

172. I agree with everything you've said

He's been tepid at best. Obviously better than the other side, but that's really not saying much these days. I think his biggest failure was pissing away the sentiment in the American population directly after the '08 election.

I do think he'll be remembered for the ACA though, but as you said, it was less than it ought to be. And if this ISIS thing goes bad...well, he'll be remembered for that too.

[pnwmom]

202. Pres. Obama got the stimulus bill passed, arresting the drain of 400,000 jobs per month.

We never saw how bad it could have gotten because Obama, the Dems in Congress, and the Fed worked together to stop it. (The Rethugs were obstructionists, as usual.) We were in the middle of a financial disaster that could have been greater than the Great Depression. Why don't you give Obama credit for that?

[randome]

14. Someone is unhappy.

Caesar is not amused, Mr. Moore.


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[AverageJoe90]

144. Oh, come on.....really?

[jwirr]

15. I think there is more they will remember: ACA, LGBT, and we may remember how the white

rethug congress treated him, especially because by then whites will be a minority.

[kelliekat44]

21. Ouch!!! nt

[upaloopa]

30. What race will be the majority then?

[jwirr]

33. It will be between the black race and the hispanics IMO. But it will more likely be a unity of

groups who have been minorities and still may be then. IMO it will include the above groups plus Native Americans, persons with disabilities, women - both white and minority women, LGBT and others who are being made to suffer today because of white supremacy. It might even include the elderly.

[upaloopa]

34. No race will be a majority then you are saying.

[jwirr]

37. That is my guess.

[kpete]

45. brown

.

[randome]

64. Mauve.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Sometimes it seems like the only purpose in life is to keep your car from touching another's.[/center][/font][hr]

[kpete]

138. I love

Mauve,

peace,
kp

[brush]

92. Ahhh . . . there won't be a majority race

With whites under 50% of the population, they will also be a minority of the population.

If things play out right, the country will be ripe for a progressive coalition of progressive whites, blacks, latinos, asians, gays, women — we could rule no matter what the repugs try before they age out.

[conservaphobe]

17. And there's another one who struggles to remain relevant while we have a decent person in the WH.

It's easier to make sales when there's a villain in there.

[kelliekat44]

18. Or, he will be remembered for the few things he did do.

ACA
DOMA
Iraq war end
Auto industry
Shepherding the US through a major economic catastrophe by the GOP


more to add.

[former9thward]

28. In 100 years people will remember none of those things.

What do you remember about a President 100 years ago? Iraq war end? We will see the Iraq war begin tonight.

[Archae]

32. Woodrow Wilson was President, 100 years ago.

He seemed to have a racist streak, but he kept us out of WW1 until German intrigue made him side with the Allies.

[kpete]

46. sad

really, truly sad

[BlindTiresias]

54. Yeah this is true

It may not be fair or accurate, but that is usually just how it goes.

[arcane1]

114. Iraq war end? When repubs complain about Iraq, we remind them that Bush signed the SOFA

So we can't give Obama credit for that on one hand, and give credit to Bush on the other hand.

Besides, the war in Iraq isn't over, and it's about to ramp up even more.

[aikoaiko]

25. The leftier than thou crowd will kick him around like they do with Bill for decades

[AverageJoe90]

147. Some, perhaps, but not *all* of them, by any means.

In fact, let's just be clear: some of them have actually gone the opposite direction. In fact, just look at some of the replies posted here, jumping to the conclusion that MM is supposedly a racist(WTF?) just because he was harshly critical of what he sees as Obama's shortcomings.

For God's sakes, people.....I realize that Obama isn't perfect.....but that's no reason to throw him under the bus as MM basically has; but, on the flip side, I also realize the Repugs have been total douchebags about pretty much everything since he got into office.....but that doesn't mean that every harsh criticism of Obama is secretly borne in racist hate/envy/etc.; in fact, there's hardly any actual anti-black racism on the modern left at all, partisan Democratic or not(well, that's true for racism, anyway. I will concede that this may not be as true for other forms of prejudice.).

[PAProgressive28]

26. I've thought about Obama in "history" as well

and I've often come to the same conclusion as Michael. Now as someone who lived through the Obama years there is certainly a larger story to be told about it and I'm sure Moore would admit as much too.

[unblock]

29. i'd bet shrub would trade his place in history for "largely forgotten" any day!

[tridim]

31. Shark, jumped.

He sounds just like Jane Hampshire, willfully misinformed and delusional.

Obama sucks if you ignore EVERYTHING he has done!!!!!111

[Archae]

36. 100 years from now Moore will be remembered for his grandstanding and inaction.

Moore's films have done diddly squat to change perceptions or actually inform.

Moore has been found to have lied in his films too.

A benchmark for documentaries is "Hearts And Minds."

[mythology]

124. I doubt Michael Moore will be remembered in 100 years

He sold a lot of tickets to see Fahrenheit 911, but in the end, it didn't have much impact and that's about the biggest he's gotten.

[TeeYiYi]

35. His legacy on gay rights is secure...

Obama has come a long way in 6 years... He's done more to advance gay rights than any other president in history.

TYY

[GeorgeGist]

190. He's done nothing beyond getting out of the way.

[6000eliot]

38. People, including those on the Left, began carping and complaining about him THE DAY HE TOOK OFFICE.

They have NEVER stopped since. Six months into Obama's presidency, people, including those on the left, complained that he STILL hadn't solved the economic crisis. I am far to the left of the president in my political philosophy. He was NEVER going to be the president of my dreams, and I knew it when I voted for him, TWICE. He has done a very good job given what he was handed and what he has had to deal with, and EVERYTHING HE DOES is historic, aside from all of his MANY accomplishments in office.

[rbrnmw]

39. How racist of him

He just wants attention me thinks In a hundted years MM probably won't be more than a trivia question.

[AverageJoe90]

111. See post 110. nt

[deathrind]

40. To a point I agree with MM.

Had President Obama come into office with the US being economically stable and not entrenched in two wars (basically what the US was when bush came into office) then the ACA and the equal rights he enacted would be "big deals". But given the problems he faced, just stopping the bleeding and looking forward not backward was not enough. People needed to be held accountable in both the financial sector and the previous administration for what occurred economically and in Iraq and none of that happened which sent a message to future Wall Street execs and presidents that they can get away with almost anything. Obama will be remembered more for what he did not do then what he did do.

[Sunlei]

41. Like the OP said, Pres. O has major 'big deals'. It's all good for MM to push for more 'big deals'

Push in his own rude & loud 'gets the press' way, for more 'big deals'.

[kpete]

47. Sunlei

I find myself agreeing with you

peace,
kp

[Progressive dog]

48. That is kind of like saying

that FDR's will only be remembered for the wheelchair.
Because,
Social Security paid very little at first and there were no automatic cost of living adjustments under FDR at all so he should get less credit than Obama should for the less flawed ACA.
Obama ended two wars, FDR only ended one.
I think President Obama will be remembered for his real achievements in spite of "being black".

[BlindTiresias]

52. Eh

The New Deal was much more sweeping than anything Obama did, even the ACA. And your point on the two wars is not correct, the wars were already winding down and comparing the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts to the dire situation of WW2 is a little much, in my opinion.

[Progressive dog]

191. You seem to have missed my point,

it was not about comparing FDR and Obama. It was about those who continuously denigrate Obama's accomplishments.

[Pisces]

55. Exactly. I find it bewildering that democrats expected Obama to be a black wizard or have some

magic wand in his back pocket to fix all the ills of the world. I think history will have a lot more than a footnote about Obama's
skin color.

He knows it and continues to play the long game and ignore the criticism.

[kelliekat44]

82. Isn't it true that more is always expected of black than others? nt

[BlindTiresias]

49. Moore has a point

Historical lenses are rarely fair or fine grained, they tend to compress time, omit the daily victories, and magnify failure. Obama is not a terrible president but he isn't stellar one either, and beyond very nuanced historical biographies his race will overshadow his rather modest achievements.

The ACA is perhaps the biggest one but the verdict is still out on whether it will be viewed as simply a gift to insurance companies or the first step towards something better. In many ways his legacy will hinge upon further developments in this area.

[bigdarryl]

50. Once again Progressives EATTING there own

Since when did he become a historian

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

53. Is he slamming Obama, or how little history most people know?

Can you come up with even a single sentence about each of our Presidents' accomplishments? I know I don't remember squat for about half of them.

[geek tragedy]

58. Sure :

Bush Jr : ruined the world
Clinton: good economy, balanced the budget
Bush Sr: invaded two countries
Reagan : managed to avoid losing the Cold War worse than the USSR

[LexVegas]

56. Moore is partly right.

He may also be remembered for the ACA and his willingness to let go of his initial homophobic views fed by archaic religious beliefs and evolve to a progressive stance on civil rights for gays. Hard to know what future generations will think of his Presidency.

[Cha]

137. Wrong.. President Obama wasn't "homophobic" so quit spreading shit. "May" be remembered for

the first President to get national health care for those who had none and no one can be turned away for Pre-existing conditions to name a couple of examples of Obamacare? May? Yeah, it's real "hard" to know.

But, fucking Michael Moore thinks he's a gawd damn soothsayer who exposes himself as an ignorant racist piece of shit.

[MrMickeysMom]

198. Actually, LBJ's Great Society was the first initiative to get HC for those who had none...

…(Medicare) I didn't think much of Johnson, either, but he did that for us. Time marches on and history reveals what people were up against.

The point is, that when it comes to being critical and making general statements, Moore is not a racist piece of shit. To infer that he is one baffles me to no end. There's no changing some people's mind, and I'll respect that you disagree, meanwhile. What MM is to ANYONE who has watched him since the 1980s is someone who has approached the entire industrial complex of big oil, Wall Street and the little guy with as much truth as could be thrown at it.

[tularetom]

57. He should be remembered fondly by Wall Street for the amazing recovery he presided over

even though that recovery didn't help middle class Americans at all. And they should also remember him as the guy who didn't put any of them in jail after their criminality and greed were publicly exposed.

[Drunken Irishman]

60. I'm pretty sure in 100 years, most will remember Michael Moore...

Funny guy he was!

[napkinz]

62. history will note ...

https://www.facebook.com/GOPthePartyofMean/photos/a.156104577860110.35944.156080331195868/508847452585819/

[stupidicus]

63. he'll likely be scorned over AGW by then

as will everyone not involved in doing everything possible to mitigate the threat now.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

66. famous white people who have racially charged things to say, should run in by their black friends

assuming they have any

actually most white people making public statements on race

[stevenleser]

100. He probably ran it by Cornell West and Tavis Smiley and got the go ahead...

[fadedrose]

68. I hope some historians will remember the TeaParty

and how they obstructed passage of good laws, threatened to shut down the government, voted for sequestration measures that cut funding to every department......how the Contress refused to vote on immigration.....and the Supreme Court that allowed corporations to become people and donate as much as they wanted to the politicians who did their bidding?

How did Michael Moore help the President overcome all these obstructions? Oh, he didn't.

I hope he's remembered for trying to keep us out of war, trying to raise wages, help veterans, Lilly Ledbetter, the Affordable Care Act (which someday will be single-payer)....and his eloquent speeches, sense of humor, and the feeling he gave us that he was accessible . . .

He didn't get all done that he wanted, but no President ever achieved all he pledged....black or white.

[Jamaal510]

96. ...

[AZ Progressive]

69. Obama's the first black president but we needed an FDR or a Teddy

A heir to the Roosevelt legacy, to save this country. An aggressive progressive. This was more important than having the first black president.

[CakeGrrl]

88. And that would have made the difference with THIS Congress?

I think not.

[geek tragedy]

104. Do people read history books anymore?

When FDR was President, Democrats got most white racist votes.

No Democrat will ever have that luxury.

[Cha]

136. Fortunately, Michael Moore is nothing but a racist POS Ignorant Blowhard with his head up his a$$.

[Major Hogwash]

149. Obama needed a Democratic Congress!!

And the same is true today.

[AverageJoe90]

150. I think he's definitely been trying.

The thing is with FDR, though, is that he was extraordinary. He also managed to cow the asshole hard-right faux-populist Dixiecrats into keeping their traps shut and follow along with the rest of the Dems. And LBJ pulled off the same.

Although, it's also true that the country was trying to dig itself out of the Depression in the '30s, and after JFK died, there were many folks who'd begun to totally turn against the RWNJ Jim Crow advocates and their ilk, so there's that.

[lunasun]

70. Depends on who writes the history

I have already heard right wing talking heads discussing his terms noting nothing but failure so whose version will prevail 100 yrs plus?
If it is RW dominated he may only be known for... Benghazi !

[BuelahWitch]

71. Getting Osama Bin Laden was probably his biggest accomplishment

President Obama once said he was about ready to have a Bullworth moment. I sure wish he would.

[kelliekat44]

83. And that is when the haters went wild on him. He accomplished what they couldn't under Bush.

There was even some resentment among the Dems. You know, "those uppity Obamas." How dare they be in the WH when the most notorious enemy was captured and killed? How dare he make the decision to pull this off?

[AverageJoe90]

113. That was certainly ONE of his best accomplishments, IMHO. nt

[NorthCarolina]

72. I can't disagree with Moore much on that.

I saw the reference to his BIG DEAL involvement for LGBT and ACA, but to be honest, IMO he lagged on the LGBT issues firmly comitting to being "On The Fence" for a good portion of his first term, and who can forget his good friend Rick Warren. Likewise, the ACA to me, while an improvement, fell far short of what could possibly have been had it included, at the very least, a public option. Touting a public option was a part of his campaign rhetoric, yet here we are with millions of Americans still without access to basic healthcare. I know some will likely proclaim 'he could never have gotten a public option past congress', and while that may be true, we'll never know for sure because he never tried the power of the bully pulpit in raising public support for it. It was just campaign rhetoric, nothing more.

[heaven05]

73. well, mikeyboy

you're privileged enough to say something stupid like that. But you are a big fail on these words that spewed from your vomitorium. Period. It will be about how he accomplished much in spite of the obstructionist racism of people from the whole political spectrum of amerika that he has faced for SIX years. Fuck you.

[Capt. Obvious]

74. Moore hasn't seen the list apparently

[riqster]

77. This from a man who is cocooned by white privilege.

Excuse me while I ignore the sanctimonious, racist, filmmaking fuckwit.

[CakeGrrl]

80. Pathetic whiny idiocy

Anyone with a few brain cells to bounce together knows differently.

Hyperbole isn't the way to be taken seriously. He seems to be pissing away his credibility.

[kelliekat44]

85. Thanks MM...no more contributions to you. And thanks for helping the opposition achieve their goals

[Go Vols]

87. In less than 100 years back

Social Security and Medicare were enacted.
I would bet if you asked who made these things happen, to 10 random people,2 might know.

[MisterP]

89. NONsense

he delivered Americans bound hand and foot to Wall Street and Big Insurance, dumped proverbial gallons of fuel on the Libyan and Syrian wars (and Yemeni and Pakistani and and and), screwed around on global warming, and strove mightily to break the back of those educating the next generation

all of those are gonna have huge repercussions that we'll remember him for *decades* to come

[randome]

97. 'Screwed around on global warming'?

Right. That's why the new coal regulations are supposed to have a big impact. That's why McConnell the Turtle-Man is likely to win back Kentucky.

Please try to stay unbiased.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]“If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.”
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)[/center][/font][hr]

[Nevada Blue]

95. I'm still thinking about the OP

but I sure think it's lame to try and diminish someone's opinion by making fat jokes.

About the Obama stuff - I'm still thinking.

[Puglover]

98. I like Moore.

Last edited Wed Sep 10, 2014, 09:02 PM - Edit history (1)

We are all entitled to be completely and totally full of shit at times.

This is one for him IMHO.

On edit: I must say the usual suspects that can always be counted on to exude class are present. Fat jokes, calling MM a racist.

I honestly don't know if it is comforting or tiresome to have such zero sum mind sets.

[SummerSnow]

102. Speak for yourself Moore

[Rex]

103. Sad that MM is now just a caricature of his former self.

Obama will be remembered as the best POTUS we've had in modern times...sorry MM, but you are completely wrong.

[Kablooie]

105. He will also be remembered for being impeached like Clinton.

I have no confidence that Democrats will keep hold of the Senate so I'm certain the House will vote to impeach Obama.

It doesn't matter that the charges won't come anywhere near the 'high crimes and misdemeanors" standards. They don't need to follow the law because he's black and that's plenty of justification to start impeachment proceedings.

[Romulox]

107. Obama will be remembered for bailing out the banks, first and foremost.

Historians will note that Obama's main accomplishment in office was to administer the bank bail outs, and to provide enough soothing words to quell any nascent populist uprising.

I think it's easy to forget how palpable the anger was in 2008-2009. Obama's job was to diffuse it, without making any concession to the public's anger. He's done a spectacular job, in this respect.

[AverageJoe90]

109. Michael Moore's got it wrong on Obama. He's put up with more shit than any other Dem President.....

including Clinton. And yet, he manages to keep it together.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

116. GW Bush says thank you for the Nader endorsement Moore.

I agree with Michael Moore more often then I disagree but sometimes he has his head way up his ass.

[JoePhilly]

120. Footnote to history said what???

[madokie]

126. MM has gone back to huffing I see

fuck him

[Marr]

127. Obama could've been a truly transformative president, had he been so inclined.

The support he had from the public was enormous-- and his party controlled both houses of Congress.

But he's a Third Way type. Though he strived to give the left the impression that he was a populist during the campaign season, he just isn't. He didn't want to be transformative-- he wanted to service the status quo. And he has.

Obama has been a huge disappointment for anyone to the left of the Hillary Clinton.

[kelliekat44]

128. Yes, we are all disappointed that he could not become the dictator the Right says he is. nt

[Marr]

130. Right, because there's nothing between the course he chose and being a dictator. /nt

[treestar]

133. What's a "transformative President?"

Sounds scary. I want them limited to the powers listed in Article II of the Constitution.

[Marr]

140. Another dictator strawman.

I'm not going to waste my time addressing that.

[treestar]

163. Well what is a transformative president?

Name one, if there has ever been any.

What are they to transform?

And why is Obama stuck with having to be more than an ordinary President?

[Marr]

164. Why is Obama stuck with it? He isn't-- obviously.

He's been exactly what he wanted to be, I assume.

The working people in this country needed another FDR, but they got another Clinton. And you're worried about poor Obama?

[treestar]

168. What is a transformative President?

And what do they transform?

Is it possible to be a transformative Senator, Representative or Mayor?

Obama is not "poor" he is the POTUS.

How was FDR "Transformative?" He did not increase the power of the Presidency. He has a cooperative Congress. Times for tough for real and people wanted action.

[Cha]

129. From this I'll remember Michael Moore as being a big fucking Ignorant blow hard.

[Blue_Tires]

134. Michael I love you, but you ain't helping with comments like that...

[Sivafae]

141. I'm surprised MM doesn't already think Obama knows this. nt

[Cha]

143. Knows what? That Michael Moore is an ignorant blowhard piece of racist shite? The

President is busy doing his job.. I'm sure he has no more time to give MM than he would give any bloodsucker.

[SidDithers]

151. Hey Moore, how was the auto industry doing on Jan 20, 2009?...nt

Sid

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

157. Didn't Moore's fame start with a movie about the auto industry?

Facts are stubborn things.

[JI7]

153. MM is probably upset he isn't making the money he used to, he needs someone like Bush

in office to sell .

[sufrommich]

154. Moore has seen too many movies with what Spike Lee calls

"The Super Duper Magical Negro".he's upset that our first black president is a mere mortal without special powers to miraculously turn this country around despite the massive and obvious roadblocks that Obama has endured.Obama is a very,very good president who is preforming well considering the strong racist element in this country,with backing from the republican party,constantly using dog whistles to convince people that he's a monster.He brought this country back from the brink of economic meltdown,he's ignored the warmongers and deals with international crisis after crisis with a calm,level head and he's given us the beginning of a sane Supreme Court and a national health care system in the future. He's not magic though,which seems to irk Moore to no end.

[flamingdem]

161. MM is a hatr

and a has been.

[ucrdem]

165. He needs to stop talking.

About six years ago.

[C Moon]

173. Wow. There sure are a lot of embarrasing posts in this thread. Take a breath and count to 10, pls.

[AverageJoe90]

176. I honestly agree.

As I've said, MM was unduly harsh on Obama, and that's something I think that many can agree with? But racist? Not quite. And in fact, no offense intended when I say this, but it really does us no good to trivialize racism, no matter how well-intentioned the mistake may be.....

[Cha]

179. The Embarrassment is all on Michael Moore for his ignorant stupid declaration.

[CanSocDem]

193. Actually, it's you. (eom)

[Cha]

195. you just embarrassed yourself, CanSocDem.

[Raine]

174. and how much will MM be remembered in history ... mostly with a big ole "WHO?" nt

[joshcryer]

177. What a hateful and patently false thing to say.

Obama will rightly be remembered as a President who kept the world sane while extremely trying times were happening. All the while ushering in a health care policy that will change the landscape in America forever.

So tired of 1%er white populists who talk so much shit.

[AverageJoe90]

181. I dunno about hateful, but it *is* false, certainly.

I honestly don't have as much respect for Mr. Moore as I used to. He's done some good stuff over the years, still, but he has indeed fallen behind the curve. Obama deserves a lot more credit than even some on the left are willing to give him.

[joshcryer]

183. All you have to do is read the Yahoo! comments.

Scroll to the bottom of the link and read the comments. Racist, hateful, vile people cheering on Michael Moore. Hateful can mean to precipitate hate. And he has done so with that comment section. Objectively.

[AverageJoe90]

186. "Hateful can mean to precipitate hate." This wasn't the case, here.

At least not in the way of stirring up racist crap.....and yeah, yeah, I know, "intent isn't magic!" and all that jazz.

Of course, I don't doubt some on the right are taking advantage of this, they love it when progressives eat their own. But it does bother me a little that some people are labelling MM as some sort of racist. Mainly because there is some real racism out there, and trivializing such, as has been done by these posters(unintentionally or otherwise), doesn't help anybody. Least of all those who are most affected by it.

[joshcryer]

187. Dismissing a sitting President as only being notable for being black is insulting.

And it definitely was easily predictable to be used in a hateful manner, and Michael Moore would know that if he thought before he spoke. Instead he was speaking to a largely white audience (indy film festival, that's pretty much a guarantee). Full of liberals who are "more pure" than anyone else. Who are wanting to justify their hatred for their black President.

It's actually infuriating that Moore said this. I respect him but he really does fail on some occasions and I forget that he's really a 1%er who's lost touch with the little people.

[still_one]

182. Michael Moore, what will he be remembered for? Voting for Nader in 2000

[liberal_at_heart]

184. A president's legacy is made by whether the country was better off, the same, or worse off.

Obama has helped improve things on some social issues such as LGBT rights and I think he will be remembered favorably for that. However, Corporate America has a death grip on this country. Things are at the very least the same and in some ways worse especially economically. Obama's economic legacy will not be good.

[chrisa]

192. MM's comment isn't racist, and he's right.

Instead of going on the offensive, Obama tried to kiss up to the Republican base and "find common ground." The result was a demotivated base and the Republicans retaking the HoR. He is seen to the common voter as "new boss, same as the old boss." Nothing has changed.

[Dawgs]

194. Add "new boos, same as the old boss" to your title and you could have stopped there.

[bluestateguy]

197. Left wing racist garbage

From an arrogant, self-promoting windbag.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

199. You got this wrong: He slamed those trying to do it.

[Scootaloo]

201. Is it just me or is it sounding a little Republican in this thread?