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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat, exactly is the pupose of the Ray Rice saturated coverage
and what is it attempting to achieve ?
The outrage. The hair on fire reactions. The calls for the heads of any and all that did not act quickly. The vicious attacks on the victim/wife. And on and on.
Disclaimer
Now before we get it twisted, I am the father of two women, the brother of four and husband of three. My Mother raised me with the maxim "treat women like you want your sisters treated." I've yet to hit or abuse one. I strongly disapprove and condemn Mr. Rice's actions.
Mr. Rice has exhibited very poor judgment, lack of maturity, self control and a total lack of respect for the values and principles he was raised with.
He has lost his job, part time jobs, respect of a community that once adored him. His alma mater has scorned him. His family has been devastated...they don't recognize this person.
This ugly incident happened about 7 months ago, and the punishment was dealt out. He and his wife went through mandatory counseling and personal anguish. The Judge, prosecutor and police made a judgment back then.
So, now, what is it that the public (or the msm) want ?
still_one
(92,273 posts)which has elements of scandal and gossip.
For folks who are advocates of women's rights it is to highlight the problem of abused women at the hands of their partners.
For folks who are concerned with corruption it is that they believe that Ray got a slap on the wrist, and it was covered up by the league.
Those are the 3 elements that come immediately to me.
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)My employer never had a say in my private life.
My life wasn't on TV,but wtf
still_one
(92,273 posts)Was it because of the influence of the football powers that he had "preferential" treatment? I am just suggesting what some of the issues are for some people
Threedifferentones
(1,070 posts)By suspending Rice two games and then coming out with a new, harsher policy on domestic violence, the NFL made it plain that, just like with drugs, players who break certain laws face punishment beyond the judicial system.
Reporters are on record knowing the contents of the elevator video, which means the league either lied about not knowing or went out of their way to avoid that tape so that they could claim ignorance in the event of a leak. Either way that is a cover-up.
Adam051188
(711 posts)i'm glad it's getting attention. getting political about an anecdotal event is sometimes helpful in illustrating a point. violence against women, domestic violence and stalking not being taken seriously and whatnot.
people who's roles impart onto them an self-expectation of grandeur, according to our societies views, must experience some disconnection with those whom they love in certain environments where-in their roles must dominate their behavior. must be hard.
the existence of a tiered society is the root of almost all violence. had to put it in there. sorry.
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)FSogol
(45,493 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)political felons, accused felons and avoid the many economic, foreign affairs and social successes of the Kenyan usurper @WH.
ann---
(1,933 posts)the topic of domestic abuse to be discussed until men learn that they can suffer the same (or worse) consequences than Ray Rice did if they knock their woman unconscious, drag her like a rag doll and then let HER apologize. Hopefully, women will also learn that it's better to beat it than get beaten.
I think it should be in the news every day as a reminder.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)This is about a bunch of men acting as if they somehow get it, when they are actually demonstrating exactly the opposite.
The NFL had everything they needed to know from the very first tape. Obviously Rice had clocked her. You didn't have to see the footage to know that. And the NFL give him a slight tap on the wrists.
That rightly brought outrage and from that point the Commissioner realized he didn't have a spousal violence issue, he had a PR issue, and has been handling it as such ever sense. These people don't give a shit about violence against women. But they care a lot about the money that the NFL brings in every week. And they recognize women are a big part of that. So the Comish was looking for a way to get out of his mess.
The second elevator video gave him the cover to suspend Rice and talk tough. But that's all it is -- just managing a PR problem.
And what about all these assholes in the media talking as if they had some concern about spousal violence? Where were they 3 weeks ago when all of this was known? It is just a bunch of assholes scrambling to get on the right side of the issue. It will all pass in a couple of days.
onecaliberal
(32,873 posts)That republicans blocked the Violence Against Women Act. Where was the outrage about domestic violence then.
Because a video is released showing a horrendous instance of domestic violence suddenly the MSM has their hair on fire.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)It is OK to deck your girlfriend and drag her unconscious body off the elevator like some slab of meat.
It is not OK to actually be seen punching her.
onecaliberal
(32,873 posts)A big deal to the media is because the video went public. Even after the NFL saw the video (even though they deny it) they only saw fit to suspend him for two games.
It's unbelievable.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)onecaliberal
(32,873 posts)This society is so very sick and sad. Filled with hateful people that think control and abuse of women is normal and ok.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)are those who don't give a damn about the abuse until it threatens their own lucrative revenue streams. And then they all suddenly become "enlightened". Hypocrites, all of them.
onecaliberal
(32,873 posts)elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)For the media it is about ratings.
For me, I am glad there is exposure of what many women have to live with.
Husband of three??!! Hope you got it right on the last one, smile.
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)11 years on the previous. 2 on the first. Hopefully I grew a little with each one
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)Mormon much?
This is DU. A discussion forum.
It works like this:
When an issue is "current events" we start a bunch of threads to discuss it. And then we discuss it, and each person presents his or her thoughts. If an issue is a really compelling one, we start 50 threads about it.
Discussion. Yep.
There is a trash thread feature if you are unhappy with the thread titles before you. Just thought you might need to know that.
Personally, if a topic isn't important to me then I just read other threads. But I don't complain if others are interested. I certainly am not troubled that people are very concerned with domestic violence.
Perhaps you could go all Jedi and ask yourself why the discussion of this topic is annoying you?
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)It was my intention to start a discussion about "shiny objects," such as this particular subject.
And, btw, I meant, "I've been married three times."
As to my personal beliefs, I greatly respect any man that has the fortitude to believe he can deal with more than one woman at a time, be it a Mormon, Muslim or plain old bigamist. I'm none of them....
leftstreet
(36,109 posts)What's that supposed to mean?
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)it's usually a remark about sexual stamina.
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)Men are barely equipped to deal w/ one woman at a time. Sex is a secondary concern.
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)You could have been polyamorous as well - but I figured you meant consecutive spouses, not concurrent ones.
Sorry if I seemed patronizing, I personally just don't click on subjects I don't care so much about, and I like to see what's trending here when something is a hot topic.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)Simple as that.
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)discussing domestic abuse on a national level. It's a grotesque and sensational story, no doubt about it.
I figured you were bored of seeing DU threads on it. It's obviously a big story and the video is shocking.
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)But my question was, what's the end game ? DU is a discussion board where...things get discussed. It's the total msm saturation that I question.
PoutrageFatigue
(416 posts).... keep the peasants occupied while the owner-class continue to loot the spoils of our labor. ..
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)coverage coverage of the rapes, the torture, the beatings, the humiliation of women by our own military. The taking away of rights they had before we, the moral autorities on EVERYTHING, invaded their countries and sent their women back to the dark ages.
I have yet to see one MSM talking head who I believe cares one bit about women or anyone else for that matter.
Our own female soldiers have been raped and abused on a regular basis, and PUNISHED when they report it. So they don't. Or the go AWOL and are hunted down as criminals.
Not a word from the Corporate media but one football player abusing his wife/girlfriend gets saturation coverage. I wonder if this couple had been one of the untold numbers who experience this every day, would we even hear about it. The answer to that is obvious.
And what will this coverage do for all the women who are being abused but too poor to warrant any interest? Not a thing, I know, I know some of them.
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)They like to throw celebrities into the spotlight, for ratings. DU collects major/minor news-current events and that is what gets talked about for maybe two or three weeks.
I figured you already knew that being from DU1.
Nothings really changed. We still talk about current events in GD.
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)For example, NBC has The Toad on now...tripping balls while the POTUS is trying to carry on a coherent conversation. I mean really...how has the mainstream media come to this?
Uh...is that dude talking to me? Um..Syria...something...
It is sad, infotainment channels understand they don't need to appeal to any kind of standard anymore and this is just IMO I think they promote domestic violence and have very racist undertones when it comes to which celebrity they save and which one they burn.
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)I sometimes post things with the hope that will help progressives stay focused on what's real or important, instead of shiny objects that distract from our goals.
freeplessinseattle
(3,508 posts)Why so "concerned" about other people's fortitude to multitask different topics within the course of few days?
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)Its always a group of coward thugs beating on one person or some coward thug punching an old lady to get her purse or a gang of thug cops beating on some skinny homeless guy or some coward cop thug shooting some unarmed kid who had his hands up or some coward thug fuck pointing a gun at journalists and threatening to kill them or some giant sports thug knocking out a woman then dragging her limp body around like it was a piece of trash.
I have fucking had with the culture and the BULLSHIT excuses that follow!
"Just one bad apple", "They're Heroes!", "I'm reserving judgement until all of the facts are known", "They're just misguided youths", "They don't have father figures to look up to"," We need more after school programs!", "We need more training", "He said he was sorry!" and on and on and on and on!
I'VE FUCKING HAD IT UP TO HERE WITH THE COWARD THUG CULTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)I wish I knew the solution.
I have a question though....why are all your utube clips about black people? Are you referring to black men when you use the term "thug culture?" I know that's the connection the msm uses to point at young black men.
Very anxious to hear your response.
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)Sorry but this isnt going to fly especially in an online forum where everyone can see exactly what I posted.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5512281
Did you actually read anything I said?
Or do you expect people here to blindly believe you even though they can see my post?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5512281
I doubt it but I'm more than happy to continue the discussion and go over the post line by line or even word by word if you like but keep in mind that people can actually read what I said for themselves sooo... there's that.
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)thug life, thug culture etc. are known references meant to refer to and denigrate all young black men. I don't believe that was your intention but that's what it is.
btw, I hope you and yours were not negatively impacted by the weather out there the last couple of days.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)White guys? Black guys? Both? Idolizing violence and control? I think it's a problem with SOME men of ALL races.
The Rolling Stones are white, and they came out with "Under My Thumb" decades ago. It's not new.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)it does deserve attention, but there are other things happening in the world as well.
Catherine Vincent
(34,491 posts)jaysunb
(11,856 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)DV is something that is swept under the rug in this country and now it is up front and impossible to deny. It would be nice to have a conversation about abuse and anti-woman bigotry that didn't include the phrase "hair on fire."
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)create awareness of this problem ?
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)No. But it is the role of progressives to make people aware using the tools available, including the fact that an entertainment outlet broke the video, not a serious news outlet.
Part of the misogyny inherent in this issue is that the news media colluded to sweep this episode under the rug.
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)news cast that it was not the top story....no matter what else is happening around us.
In the OP I stated my disgust for the actions of Mr. Rice but ask why this has taken over all discussions. For me, TMZ is a legitimate gossip site that occasionally produces something that impacts the national discourse, but my original question was, why the saturation coverage ?
freeplessinseattle
(3,508 posts)Reactions have been very revealing all around. Disturbing at times, but sadly unsurprising.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)FSogol
(45,493 posts)BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)Like it is OK to deck "your woman" and drag her off the elevator as long as we don't actually see the punch thrown?
In a media world full of hypocrisy, this has to take the cake.
sendero
(28,552 posts).... "if it bleeds it leads".
There are lots of fucked up things going on all over the world but only when we're really "lucky" do we have a front row seat video.
This is the MSM doing what they do.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)can not make it into something that does not keep introducing more misogyny, homophobia and bloody violence to the world.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)We are overdue for some bad weather event or earthquake or train derailment for them to latch on to.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)But there was a judge in Alabama who beat his wife recently and got arrested and he still sits on the bench. Of course he's a white redneck who bush loved, so there is that as a comparison.
jillan
(39,451 posts)I'm sure you've heard about the other cases of domestic abuse on other teams?
Or that the abuse hotlines are being flooded because women have had enough!
That's why.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)public started yelling. IMO it is them that are rightly being targeted. We are not interested in supporting any organization that gives the impression that beating women is just a little bit wrong. They put their money before the wellbeing of the victims and that is what we want changed.