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fried eggs

(910 posts)
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 03:23 PM Sep 2014

"Ladies, The Smarter You Are, The More Likely You Are To Be Single"

Why don’t men want women with whom they can converse and who challenge them? When did the aversion to strong and intelligent women become a code orange? When did everyone just want to go to the Bahamas and lie around?

In an article by “The Wire,” financial reporter, John Carney, gives one explanation for this phenomenon, deducing, “successful men date less successful women not because they want ‘women to be dumb’ but rather because they want ‘someone who prioritizes their life in a way that’s compatible with how you prioritize yours.’”

A study conducted with 121 British participants reported findings that females with high intelligence in male/female relationships were seen as problematic.

Their intelligence were predicted to cause problems in the relationships. Whereas, high intelligence in the male partner was not seen as problematic, but desirable.

Read more: http://elitedaily.com/women/intelligent-women-likely-single/678309/


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"Ladies, The Smarter You Are, The More Likely You Are To Be Single" (Original Post) fried eggs Sep 2014 OP
Lol! That explains why I've been single since my divorce 35 years ago. Arkansas Granny Sep 2014 #1
My mother used to say The Traveler Sep 2014 #5
Your mother sounds like a very smart woman. Arkansas Granny Sep 2014 #8
She really was The Traveler Sep 2014 #12
Your Mom was Mae West? denem Sep 2014 #21
Mom admired Mae West The Traveler Sep 2014 #59
I'll second that! silverweb Sep 2014 #17
Love it. DebJ Sep 2014 #72
ha ha! I love this! n/t deafskeptic Sep 2014 #80
You and me both! It's been 35 years for me too and I've never looked back. Raven Sep 2014 #49
+1 hamsterjill Sep 2014 #86
That is what my Dad always told me then I found a smart guy redstatebluegirl Sep 2014 #2
You Married A Chemist? ProfessorGAC Sep 2014 #7
Yes I did, love him to death! redstatebluegirl Sep 2014 #11
I am sorry for your loss. But... what a way to go! bettyellen Sep 2014 #50
We've Been Married Since 1980 ProfessorGAC Sep 2014 #57
Married since 1995 redstatebluegirl Sep 2014 #61
Smart enough for my own good abbeyco Sep 2014 #3
My Wife is Very Smart ProfessorGAC Sep 2014 #4
It's too small and limited a study to be drawing any conclusions from. surrealAmerican Sep 2014 #6
is there an age breakdown here? ProdigalJunkMail Sep 2014 #9
How does it work out for lesbians? Or gay men? valerief Sep 2014 #10
Thread Winner! Game Over! Thanks for playing everyone. Refreshments served in The Lounge and Please Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #36
Never been attracted to women that were shallow, super-subservient. BlueJazz Sep 2014 #13
possibly she was passive aggressive KurtNYC Sep 2014 #52
Ah..Yes...Your words ring true. BlueJazz Sep 2014 #68
Eventually, when all that's left to do is talk... conservaphobe Sep 2014 #14
My experience has been that intelligent men *do* prefer intelligent women. winter is coming Sep 2014 #15
I agree. deafskeptic Sep 2014 #81
My mom told me this in the 50s frogmarch Sep 2014 #16
My mom told me that crap too. Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2014 #76
Intelligence = Power, and men fear women who would have power over them AZ Progressive Sep 2014 #18
I dont agree.. I think part of the issue is successful women jack up their standards davidn3600 Sep 2014 #42
successful women don't need a guys money, and that is a threat to guys who lead with it... bettyellen Sep 2014 #51
Cultural stereotypes and gender roles are a part of it, yes davidn3600 Sep 2014 #56
if anyone chooses a role because what they think other THINK, they are suckers. LOL. the trad roles bettyellen Sep 2014 #70
The two single women who are our best friends don't see it as 'trouble finding that perfect mate' DebJ Sep 2014 #73
I disagreed with the solution JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #82
What men? Egnever Sep 2014 #74
yeah... i don't know any men like this ProdigalJunkMail Sep 2014 #83
"they want ‘someone who prioritizes their life in a way . . . " Lex Sep 2014 #19
Disagree. My personal experience is that men do like ladies they can Cleita Sep 2014 #20
Good. Maybe there will be fewer spurious marriages. randome Sep 2014 #22
My wife has a law degree and makes 20x my salary... brooklynite Sep 2014 #23
As long as both are comfortable with the balance of power in the relationship AZ Progressive Sep 2014 #39
...which has nothing to do with either income OR intelligence. brooklynite Sep 2014 #43
For the past 38 years, my husband has told people Maeve Sep 2014 #41
IME and IMO that is true. nt raccoon Sep 2014 #24
My wife has 15 IQ points on me MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #25
Well said Egnever Sep 2014 #77
I am in a conundrum. Xyzse Sep 2014 #26
men call you "too independent" VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #27
So I recently saw an old Joan Rivers clip from Carson. She said no man ever put his R B Garr Sep 2014 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Kelvin Mace Sep 2014 #32
Most smart ladies would rather be single than settle for an unhappy relationship. tanyev Sep 2014 #29
I agree 100%. I'm single. Louisiana1976 Sep 2014 #33
I actually preferred back in the day treestar Sep 2014 #67
"seen as problematic" by who? Kelvin Mace Sep 2014 #30
That site cracks me up, ELITE DAILY, The Voice of Generation-Y, ROFL snooper2 Sep 2014 #31
And that's supposed to be a problem? bhikkhu Sep 2014 #34
Maybe intelligent women see through their bullshit. alarimer Sep 2014 #35
Maybe the guys that these women are missing aren't right for them in the first place AZ Progressive Sep 2014 #37
I got through the 1st couple of paragraphs and, now, must comment ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #38
i think you got it, also it's easier to say the guy is more intelligent rather than admit their JI7 Sep 2014 #46
Amazing, isn't it? ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #47
The smartest woman I know had a job for 2 years after college AngryAmish Sep 2014 #69
Not only am I not one of those men, I doubt I could even be good friends with one. arcane1 Sep 2014 #40
Interesting debate in the comments following the article. Laelth Sep 2014 #44
Smart women know better than to marry ;) Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #45
I found myself a smart (and pretty) girl, Jamaal510 Sep 2014 #48
thats odd drray23 Sep 2014 #53
Huh? Phlem Sep 2014 #54
Maybe the opposite is true? chrisa Sep 2014 #55
Happily single, willfully barren, and at least reasonably intelligent loyalsister Sep 2014 #58
My wife is smarter than me Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #60
Ginny had an IQ of around 150, and she and I managed just fine as a married couple derby378 Sep 2014 #62
Intelligent women usually marry intelligent men not asshole CEOs rockbluff botanist Sep 2014 #63
That's not my experience, and in the interest of avoiding bragging I'll leave it at that. nt LeftyMom Sep 2014 #64
I'd rather be single than be with a man who had a problem with my smirkymonkey Sep 2014 #65
Nope Egnever Sep 2014 #84
Good to know! smirkymonkey Sep 2014 #85
I think it is what keeps us all interested Egnever Sep 2014 #90
IOW they want to be in charge the way it was in the old days treestar Sep 2014 #66
You got it. silverweb Sep 2014 #71
Not always true, my Mom was a genius . . . Major Hogwash Sep 2014 #75
A lot of people cannot conceive of an equal relationship. Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2014 #78
Carolyn Porco!!!! longship Sep 2014 #79
What they found... abakan Sep 2014 #87
48, single ... longest relationship ever lasted 10 months. Myrina Sep 2014 #88
more accurately "straight ladies, blah blah blah..." La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #89
I tend to think of it as a problem with confidence. Avalux Sep 2014 #91
 

The Traveler

(5,632 posts)
5. My mother used to say
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 03:28 PM
Sep 2014

"Marriage is a fine institution ... but who the hell wants to live in an institution?"



Trav

 

denem

(11,045 posts)
21. Your Mom was Mae West?
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 04:06 PM
Sep 2014

(just joking) I adore Mae West.

You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough;
Don't save yourself for anyone. It doesn't earn any interest

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
17. I'll second that!
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 03:56 PM
Sep 2014

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Tried it both ways, and found I do so love my institution-free independence!

for your mom!

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
2. That is what my Dad always told me then I found a smart guy
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 03:26 PM
Sep 2014

who was tired of stupid bimbos hitting on him asking him how much he could make with a PhD in Chemistry.....

abbeyco

(1,555 posts)
3. Smart enough for my own good
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 03:27 PM
Sep 2014

Single for a significant portion of my life. I do think there are some men who are intimidated by boobs and brains and there are some men turned on by them. Go figure...

ProfessorGAC

(65,076 posts)
4. My Wife is Very Smart
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 03:28 PM
Sep 2014

Magna Cum Laude, dual bachelor degrees in 3 and a half years. So, i'm not one who doesn't like woman smart.

surrealAmerican

(11,362 posts)
6. It's too small and limited a study to be drawing any conclusions from.
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 03:28 PM
Sep 2014

I guess it may point to a phenomenon that is true for British people specifically, but without a larger sample size, we can't know even that.

ProdigalJunkMail

(12,017 posts)
9. is there an age breakdown here?
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 03:30 PM
Sep 2014

I am in my mid-forties and I do not know a single marriage relationship where the woman in said relationship is not highly intelligent and in most cases highly educated. My own wife is incredibly bright and has higher education level attainment than I do and I am VERY thankful for it. We are challenging of each other and help each other grow... I don't know that I COULD be in a complex relationship like a marriage with someone considerably less intelligent than I. Of course, if the woman is considerably MORE intelligent, I would imagine the relationship won't work (or WILL be problematic) because SHE would have issues.

sP

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
36. Thread Winner! Game Over! Thanks for playing everyone. Refreshments served in The Lounge and Please
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 04:35 PM
Sep 2014

don't forget to tip the waitstaff.

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
13. Never been attracted to women that were shallow, super-subservient.
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 03:41 PM
Sep 2014

Had one woman tell me "I like a man that takes full-charge and tells me what to do"

I told her: "So you're used to being a door-mat? ...Sorry, we would never make it"
I wouldn't have been so abrupt but she seemed proud of her wants.
I found them degrading...to both her and myself.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
52. possibly she was passive aggressive
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 05:53 PM
Sep 2014

I have seen couples where the woman wants "her man" to take on the targets of her aggression. Similarly, some people of either gender see jealousy and possessiveness in their mate as positive traits or signs of a strong relationship (they generally aren't of course but...).

 

conservaphobe

(1,284 posts)
14. Eventually, when all that's left to do is talk...
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 03:42 PM
Sep 2014

You want an SO who can carry an intelligent conversation.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
15. My experience has been that intelligent men *do* prefer intelligent women.
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 03:43 PM
Sep 2014

I note that the survey is about people saying intelligence was predicted to cause problems in relationships, not that it had caused problems in their relationships. Sounds to me like they polled some folks who regurgitated a cultural myth, not that they quantified an actual problem.

frogmarch

(12,154 posts)
16. My mom told me this in the 50s
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 03:54 PM
Sep 2014

when I was still a kid even too young to date. She said I should never let a boy (or when I became an adult, a man) know if I was smarter than he, or I'd never have a boyfriend or a husband, or I'd at least not be able to keep one for very long.

My perspective is, as it has always been, that women shouldn't play dumb to please men. If a man's ego is such that he feels threatened by being with a smart woman, he should go find himself a republican.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
76. My mom told me that crap too.
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 01:59 AM
Sep 2014

I wasn't hiding my intelligence. That was too bad.

Then I went to college and discovered math and physics and engineering majors!! My kind of guys!!

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
18. Intelligence = Power, and men fear women who would have power over them
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 03:57 PM
Sep 2014

And males since young are taught that its humiliating to be dominated by females. Men that are image conscious and more masculine or macho want to be the powerful / dominant one in the relationship, and find women having advantages over them as "intimidating" and not ideal, especially when there are alternatives out there.

Remember, there's a whole culture out there of misogyny and male tribalism.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
42. I dont agree.. I think part of the issue is successful women jack up their standards
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 04:53 PM
Sep 2014

I remember an article in a magazine a few years ago where they talked to these very successful women who made a lot of money and had advanced degrees and top careers. And these women were complaining that they couldn't find any decent guys to have a relationship with. After reading their stories a common theme was clearly obvious....they were severely limiting their options, even perhaps without realizing it. The list of things that they desired to have in a man was unrealistic.

Of course that is an incredibly tiny sample to draw any inferences on. But it's something I see a lot with both women and men who complain they can't find anyone. It's like guys who claim they can't find a girlfriend. Well, the first question I ask is what are they looking for? If they are looking for a super model figure, it's not a surprise they can't find anyone.

If you are a successful woman and you are making $100k a year. You are smart, have a college degree, and your career looks fantastic. Who are looking to date? If you are looking for only men who are as successful or more successful than you, you are going to have a big problem finding anyone because men who do make that much money still cast a wider net for the dating pool. A man making $150k will have no problem dating a woman making only $30k.

Part of this is no doubt due to social stereotypes. And it is certainly true that some men may feel insecure in a relationship where women make more money than they do. But I think there is a lot more that plays into this issue than simply "men hate smart women."


ABC ran a special about something like this concerning black women a few years back... 42% of successful black women are single. And some say the reason is because these women need to lower their standards.


Author and NPR contributor Jimi Izrael joined Harper on the men's side. Izrael is author of "The Denzel Principal," a controversial book that says black women are searching for a prototypical man who only exists in their imaginations.

"Some of them are delusional or some of them are impatient," Izrael said. "The Denzel Principle is just the idea that some women, not all women, have standards for potential mates as to be so high as to find themselves disappointed when looking for men. Because they are looking for this ideal that couldn't possibly exist."

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/FaceOff/nightline-black-women-single-marriage/story?id=10424979
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
51. successful women don't need a guys money, and that is a threat to guys who lead with it...
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 05:50 PM
Sep 2014

the most successful women I know have husbands who's careers are secondary. A lot of men can't shake the traditional role, even if they are not a go getter career wise.
They view their husbands as extraordinary because they help with cooking and cleaning, and often put work on hold a bit to help with child care. This is very common these days both a my job and in my community. I'm seeing as many Dads with kids at the park as Moms- during work hours. Only a few unfortunate friends are stuck with slackers who think women should do 90% of the housework when they are bringing in 2/3 of the income. Those marriages are not the happy ones. Women are putting up with less and less, and ditching the husband when he is not making a good faith effort.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
56. Cultural stereotypes and gender roles are a part of it, yes
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 06:40 PM
Sep 2014

And some of it may even be subconscious. It's part of the social programming we get growing up.

For some men out there with a successful woman, he may feel inadequate. And that's not because of anything the woman is doing wrong, but because society tends to frown on the man in that particular situation because he's not fulfilling the role society wants him to have.
On the flip side, a woman who is in the provider role may feel pressure from society that she's failing her children or her family because she's working and not home with them. (Notice how questions asked to female politicians typically involve their children?)

So it goes both ways.

In a perfect world with all other factors equal...marriage is a balancing act, especially after the honeymoon phase. If a wife is bringing home 2/3rds of the income and then does 3/4ths of the domestic stuff too, that's not a balance. And obviously such a relationship is doomed to eventually fail unless the husband starts taking over some of the domestic duties.
But this wasn't really my point. My point was more of that society still likes to grasp on to those traditional gender roles. And some women and men are having trouble letting go, perhaps even subconsciously due to the social pressures. And that's a basis for why some women who are successful may be having trouble finding that perfect mate.

(And obviously this all varies with different parts of the country too. Conservative towns in the south are going to be much more strict when it comes to traditional gender roles compared to more liberal locations.)

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
70. if anyone chooses a role because what they think other THINK, they are suckers. LOL. the trad roles
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 11:59 PM
Sep 2014

are bullshit, and I'm glad they are whithering and dying in my neck of the woods. Much of rest of the country will, as usual take another 10-20 years to catch up, but they will.

DebJ

(7,699 posts)
73. The two single women who are our best friends don't see it as 'trouble finding that perfect mate'
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 01:47 AM
Sep 2014

but rather, as my divorced aunt said to my mother "I don't need a man to complete me".

Mom just could never accept that an unmarried woman was anything but a failure. She was pushing
her sister to date when her sister was 8 months pregnant and just recently separated; this was
30 years ago.

Mom tried to push me into relationships with men when I divorced, too. I finally stopped her, after
years of this, by saying "Mom, you introduced me to the last one." That was the end of that, thank goodness.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
82. I disagreed with the solution
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 05:12 AM
Sep 2014

And when I had my ezine for single women 35 and older - my response was not to lower your standards - but to date "out". And date foreign.

This is very specific to black single women who are very successful and in their 30's and beyond.

Next - was to "date blue and possibly out".


Why? Many of our non black peers turned their noses up at the journey men 10-15-20 years ago.

Now they own their own metal works, plumbing, electrical companies. Never married and no kids - where do they go in the Philly to Boston corridor for their same "experience" and income level?

It's all there to see. The best movie to cause that shift was Something New. It created some great discussions.

That said - I still don't believe that marriage is the be all and end all of a succesful life - and I'm happily married. Go figure! It's a would be nice - so go big ladies. Don't wait for marriage to travel, invest, buy good silverware, china, copper pots and pans, etc etc.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
74. What men?
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 01:47 AM
Sep 2014

My wife runs circles around most people. I love my wife's big brain looks fade brains will always be there.

ProdigalJunkMail

(12,017 posts)
83. yeah... i don't know any men like this
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 08:14 AM
Sep 2014

and i was brought up in the uber-male household. father played college football and coached as well. i played all the 'aggressive' sports like football and wrestling and baseball (i was a pitcher). i was taught to dominate other males... but never was taught to dominate or denigrate women... i was taught to respect and even revere them.

now, could some miss out on that second part and believe they are to dominate everyone? yeah... i guess that is possible.

sP

Lex

(34,108 posts)
19. "they want ‘someone who prioritizes their life in a way . . . "
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 04:05 PM
Sep 2014

Does that mean that men perceive smarter women as less apt to adjust their lives so that the husband or his career is always Priority #1?

I still think that there is a perception that a man's career and comfort should be the top priority in their lives, but a woman's shouldn't be or it becomes problematic.





Cleita

(75,480 posts)
20. Disagree. My personal experience is that men do like ladies they can
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 04:05 PM
Sep 2014

talk to even the not so smart guys.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
22. Good. Maybe there will be fewer spurious marriages.
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 04:07 PM
Sep 2014

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brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
43. ...which has nothing to do with either income OR intelligence.
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 04:55 PM
Sep 2014

Everything we earn is pooled and we divide up the house work.

Maeve

(42,282 posts)
41. For the past 38 years, my husband has told people
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 04:48 PM
Sep 2014

"The smartest thing I ever did was marry a woman smarter than me."
Yeah, he's a keeper!

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
25. My wife has 15 IQ points on me
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 04:18 PM
Sep 2014

We've been together for decades.

It's been fine.

Thinking about the people in my life, the best relationships are/have been between people who are intellectually similar.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
26. I am in a conundrum.
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 04:20 PM
Sep 2014

I love smart women, and there are some that we definitely have solid attraction going.
I have also been set up with younger women, whose maturity levels make it hard for me to look at them other than a child.

Stating that, I have befriended the smart women, and in the end pro-actively friend zoned them.

I respect them too much to saddle them with me.

Thus, I remain single.
Not that I am looking any how.

I am happy enough to spoil my nieces and nephews.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
28. So I recently saw an old Joan Rivers clip from Carson. She said no man ever put his
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 04:22 PM
Sep 2014

hand up a woman's skirt looking for a library card.

Okay, I lol'd at that.

Response to R B Garr (Reply #28)

treestar

(82,383 posts)
67. I actually preferred back in the day
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 09:32 PM
Sep 2014

men who were not as smart as I.

Men who were smarter than me were arrogant about it.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
31. That site cracks me up, ELITE DAILY, The Voice of Generation-Y, ROFL
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 04:26 PM
Sep 2014

They should just call it, how to be a proper green yuppie LOL

bhikkhu

(10,718 posts)
34. And that's supposed to be a problem?
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 04:27 PM
Sep 2014

Marriage doesn't equal happiness, and the smarter one is, the more obvious that may be.

Of course, having a "failed" marriage myself, I may be biased. If I married again (and I'm not looking, btw), I'd like to think I'd prefer a woman smarter that me, which may also mean a woman more independent, and so less inclined to wish to marry anyway. In any case, if one can't respect a partner, that's problematic. More intelligent women may find the male side of the equation riddled with artificially inflated egos and insecurity.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
35. Maybe intelligent women see through their bullshit.
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 04:33 PM
Sep 2014

I felt like I had some issues on the dating scene because of it. But it could be that I'm ugly or something, instead.

It's hard to say. I do recall getting some negative comments about my pursuing a MS and my ambitions from what I perceived to be more conservatives types. But I don't know if it was a matter of intelligence so much as knowing that I had better things to do than spend every waking moment with them.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
37. Maybe the guys that these women are missing aren't right for them in the first place
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 04:38 PM
Sep 2014

Eliminating the unqualified candidates is a good thing. Finding a good mate is not easy anyway.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
38. I got through the 1st couple of paragraphs and, now, must comment ...
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 04:39 PM
Sep 2014

I find the "low(er) Intelligence/more accommodating ... high(er) intelligence/less accommodating" frame to be highly offensive. There are plenty of highly intelligent women willing to serve the traditional background/supportive role and plenty of women of lesser intelligence that are unwilling.

What this frame comes down to is "successful" males want mates that they think will not compete with them in terms of being the most important "thing" in the relationship and these men think that is a function of intelligence ... it is not!

JI7

(89,252 posts)
46. i think you got it, also it's easier to say the guy is more intelligent rather than admit their
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 05:08 PM
Sep 2014

success could have to do with having a parnter who is willing to adjust what they might want to do to fit into the guy's life. and the guy not having to do the same for the partner .

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
47. Amazing, isn't it? ...
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 05:17 PM
Sep 2014

"Your job is to lose yourself in me (while supporting yourself working a low(er) status job); my job is to let you lose yourself in me and I will reward you by letting you be with me (and a jewelry)... until I don't." I could go wrong with that arrangement?

I was planning to go back and finish the article; but just can't.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
69. The smartest woman I know had a job for 2 years after college
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 09:47 PM
Sep 2014

Then started a family and never looked back. She was a James Scholar and literally scored the highest on the accountant test for the state of Illinois the year she graduated from college.

She reads books, raises her kids and is very happy with her life. She is much smarter than her husband who is a u of c mba.

Life is weird.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
40. Not only am I not one of those men, I doubt I could even be good friends with one.
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 04:44 PM
Sep 2014

Then again, I'm not "successful" so maybe that's why. But with such a small sample I doubt this survey means much.

I liked the part about wanting ‘someone who prioritizes their life in a way that’s compatible with how you prioritize yours.’ I don't see anything wrong with that, and don't see what that has to do with intelligence either.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
44. Interesting debate in the comments following the article.
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 04:56 PM
Sep 2014

Several posters question whether or not the article is satire, and said posters point to the author's bio. in which she self-describes as a "comedic writer."

It didn't come across as satire to me, but, if the piece were satire, that would change its complexion dramatically.

-Laelth

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
48. I found myself a smart (and pretty) girl,
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 05:30 PM
Sep 2014

but unfortunately she lives thousands of miles away and doesn't know that much English.

drray23

(7,633 posts)
53. thats odd
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 05:57 PM
Sep 2014

Because in my social circle most of my friends are also married with bright intelligent women. I have a phD in physics and my wife as well in another field. I guess many scientists spend so many years as postdoc before getting a tenure that the only social acquaintances we have are other scientists, hence the marriages.
Its only backward people who would feel threatened by an accomplished partner.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
54. Huh?
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 06:02 PM
Sep 2014

I specifically married my wife because she was smart. She's beautiful, intelligent, funny, open minded, and a free thinker. I often wonder why she married me.

chrisa

(4,524 posts)
55. Maybe the opposite is true?
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 06:36 PM
Sep 2014

Maybe smarter women don't feel like they need to jump into a relationship / settle for the overwhelming amount of mediocre men in this world.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
58. Happily single, willfully barren, and at least reasonably intelligent
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 07:26 PM
Sep 2014

makes for a pleasant life. If only we could get all of the national and international dysfunction figured out I would have a serene existence.

derby378

(30,252 posts)
62. Ginny had an IQ of around 150, and she and I managed just fine as a married couple
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 07:59 PM
Sep 2014

I think my IQ is in the 135 range, so at least I could keep her on her toes once in a while.

63. Intelligent women usually marry intelligent men not asshole CEOs
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 08:18 PM
Sep 2014

As a woman of science, every time I read hokum like this I wonder in which decade the author lives and why he is so afraid of women.

My husband says he can't image being married to a moron. What would you talk about. And what about any children? Intelligence is something to pass to your children, not stupidity. Who wants stupid children? Well, I guess that explains Republicans and their progeny. They revel in their ignorance. How strange.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
65. I'd rather be single than be with a man who had a problem with my
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 08:59 PM
Sep 2014

intelligence. It takes a secure man to be with a woman who is just herself. I have a good job and I make decent money, but I don't have a power career because it doesn't suit my personality. I'm an introvert. I would like to think that there are intelligent, introverted men out there who would be happy with a moderately successful woman that can discuss a variety of subjects.

Am I just ridiculously optimistic?

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
84. Nope
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 11:07 AM
Sep 2014

Pretty sure the premise of the article is nonsense. Poster after poster just in this thread including myself adore wives that are as smart or smarter than them.

The hard part for you won't be your smarts it will be coming out of that she'll long enough to find someone you match up with well. There are plenty of men out there looking for intelligent women.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
85. Good to know!
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 11:11 AM
Sep 2014

I don't need someone who is rich or even terribly good looking, but I do need someone that I love to talk to. That is what keeps me interested!

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
90. I think it is what keeps us all interested
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 02:07 PM
Sep 2014

I went out with many women before I met my wife. Some of them extremely attractive. I got sick of every one of them mostly because we weren't a good match intellectually I think. After a while with all of them the physical attraction eventually wore off and we ended up tiring of each other.

I have been with my wife now almost 20 years now and every single day I look forward to talking to her she keeps me thinking all the time and I adore her for that long after we stopped doing summers adults in the bedroom.

She is still very attractive to me bit it is her brains that have kept me interested in her and I am sure will continue to keep me interested long after we both shrivel up.

In our 20 years together so far she has had three kids and at one point had gained a ton of weight but I never stopped even at her heaviest looking forward to seeing her every day.

I am sure I am not alone in this. There is someone out there looking for a bright woman like you, you just need to give them the opportunity to find you.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
66. IOW they want to be in charge the way it was in the old days
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 09:30 PM
Sep 2014

It is hard to believe any majority of 21st century men really expects someone to prioritize his life over hers. Priorities being compatible would mean equals roughly.

I love it when they address us "ladies" to inform us what we are doing wrong and that heavens! If we don't change, we won't get a husband! Vapors!

I assume a study of what women want will never be thought of interest. Because people who address the "ladies" do not think we are equal.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
71. You got it.
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 01:40 AM
Sep 2014

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Marriage still means control to many men and that ring on a woman's finger is really a tether to keep her in line.

Talk equality on anything more than the most trivial level, and we get that "I'm the boss" patriarchal bullshit. Some men are beyond that, but I fear they're still in the minority.

Hopefully, our Millennials will make some good progress.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
78. A lot of people cannot conceive of an equal relationship.
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 02:49 AM
Sep 2014

They think the man has to dominate the woman. Some of us discuss things with our partner, and reach an agreement that way. It's not that hard. It's about communication and respecting the other's opinion.

I have a J.D., hubby has a BS/MS in Physics. We have 3 degrees each. He said he likes hanging out with lawyers because we have a different approach to thinking. There are two possible answers to a case instead of one. The reasoning is more important than the conclusion.

I think we are about the same in IQ. He doesn't know what his IQ is but he can keep up with me. I scored 145 on a Stanford-Binet when I was five years old, which is 3 SDs above normal and about 1 person in 1000. Mensa is 2 SDs (130) and the top 2%. There are high-IQ clubs that are selective to 3 SDs, like the Triple-9 Society. I think to be a brilliant doctor, you would need to be at about 160 or 4 SDs.

We are both musicians. His idea of fun is writing math papers about books he's reading. Right now it's quarks and subatomic particles. Calculating forces when you smash the shit out of subatomic particles and what the results are.

He doesn't like sports. I don't want to hang out with a guy who is constantly watching football. A lot of smart guys have no interest in sports and I find that to be a plus. There are better things to do with your life than basing your emotional state on whether or not "your team" wins or loses. You have no control over that. Besides, the players don't know you exist. Pretty ridiculous.


I don't want some guy telling me what to think or what to do. The guys who cannot handle an independent woman with an education often get mail-order brides that they can use for a personal slave. And sometimes the girls take the guys for lots of money and go back to their home country. They tend to be right-wing nuts who must dominate their woman at all costs.

Some guys are control freaks and I have learned to avoid them. Nobody is going to dominate me or tell me I can't cut my hair or dress a certain way.

My sister was married to a real beaut who didn't want her to cut her hair, wanted her to have long straight hair parted in the middle, and didn't want her to wear any makeup. He would literally get mad at her and throw a fit. She got her hair cut
and colored, and he had to pout about it. Once I was at her house, and our female friend who is an attorney, a Rice University graduate, and a National Merit Scholar, came over to her house. The three of us sat in the kitchen and talked. He didn't like smart women, so he sat in the den, refused to speak to any of us, and pouted. And they didn't have a living room. It was a show room for crappy British motorcycles he restored (Vincents, Triumphs, BSAs).




longship

(40,416 posts)
79. Carolyn Porco!!!!
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 03:07 AM
Sep 2014

She is a planetary scientist.

Here is a taste of what she is about, her TED talk about the Cassini mission to Saturn, of which she is a principal scientist:
http://m.



However, in a recent interview with Neil deGrasse Tyson she related a NYTimes interview. When asked why she has never been married, this is what she said to the NYTimes:

“The first answer was something like, ‘Just tell them I have a different man every night and I like it that way,’” Porco said, drawing a laugh out of deGrasse Tyson. “And then the other answer was, ‘There are no high-maintenance items in my house of any kind — pets, plants, or husbands.’”

abakan

(1,819 posts)
87. What they found...
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 01:23 PM
Sep 2014

Highly intelligent women don't worship at the altar of the male and know bs when they hear it.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
88. 48, single ... longest relationship ever lasted 10 months.
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 01:26 PM
Sep 2014

I used to think it was because of my early-childhood abandonment/introversion, committment-phobia & growing up in a dysfunctional alcoholic household related-issues ... but now I see that it's because I'm just too damned smart.

I feel so much better (and more superior).


Avalux

(35,015 posts)
91. I tend to think of it as a problem with confidence.
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 02:21 PM
Sep 2014

A woman who is self-confident and happy with who she is can be threatening to a man who isn't that way. The adverse is true as well. Some men seem to not understand that I am just fine being by myself, I don't NEED another person there to fill a void and 'fix' me. I don't need a rescuer.

I want a relationship with a man who brings as much to the table as I do, who will enhance my already fantastic life and enjoy my company. Intelligence is part of it, but so is respect and knowing what you want and who you are. That's the ultimate - sharing and building on mutual appreciation and love.

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