unless we GOTV, and especially with regard to women and minorities, we will have trouble retaining

[still_one]

the Senate, and even then it will be an uphill climb

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2014/senate/2014_elections_senate_map.html

If the polls are to be believed, much of the populous of this country are idiots

[leftyohiolib]

1. well if they do then it's goodbye aca and hello impeachment

much of the populous of this country are idiots . this is what's so frustrating

[still_one]

7. and what would that get them? Biden if they convicted, and on what grounds would they impeach the

President? I am not sure they could get a conviction though, because I think there are few Senators such as Collins that I don't think would vote to convict.

Regardless, it would prevent even more impasse then what exists today.

What is at stake is potential SC nominees, the slow dismantling of the ACA, etc. The one thing in our favor is that the President has veto power, and these ignoramus republicans would effectively just be spinning their wheels, and more of nothing would get done because of their draconian ideology

[leftyohiolib]

12. IT GETS THEM MORE money from the people who pull the gop strings

they have nothing on potus with which to impeach but theyll spend 2 years and all the money they can trying to.

[still_one]

16. Probably but it could backfire on them

[lumberjack_jeff]

2. Single women. Married ones should stay home.

More married women voted for Romney than did men.

http://www.city-journal.org/2012/eon1116kh.html

[yeoman6987]

4. Yes, but they won't stay home

For some reason there is anger in the country. Of course, the President is blamed for everything. I talk to people all the time and the anger is poorly directed.

[still_one]

10. If they didn't listen to the RW talking points blaring 24/7, and and used their brains, assuming

they have any, they might see what the republicans have been doing to the country.

[YoungDemCA]

5. ....

[lumberjack_jeff]

13. I thought this thread was about voting demographics

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Married women are about as likely to vote D as white men, and we'd undeniably prefer that they stay home.

[still_one]

8. Perhaps married women should pay attention, unless they want to be even more second class citizens

[edhopper]

3. It's amazing that all the voters

who saw the conservative agenda nearly destroy the country in 2007-08 don't seem to have two grey brain cells to rub together and figure out what is going to happen.

[still_one]

9. and that not only amazes me, but makes me angry with those that continue to vote against their own

interests. In red states those that depend on Social Security and Medicare continue to vote for republicans. One really has to wonder what they have for brains

[YoungDemCA]

18. You assume that voting Democratic is "in their own interest"-or that they believe it to be so

Maybe they figure that they HAVE pursued their own interests as individual working people competing with other workers for a rapidly shrinking piece of the pie. That is what has happened-working class people are competing with other working-class people for a shrinking piece of the economic pie, while the wealthy and well-connected are increasingly insulated from the rest of society-including economic competition.

The "I've Got Mine, Screw You" is a selfish attitude, yes-but isn't selfishness constantly encouraged by the conditions of the economy, by the free-market capitalist ideology, by everyday experience? Especially nowadays, where capitalist economic growth is more of a zero-sum game for workers.

I don't think it's fair to blame poor and/or working people for these conditions, or for the reactionary politics from working people that often are displayed by working class people in this day and age. The problem is with the system itself, not the individuals who are forced into playing a role by the system of stratified power relations.

[still_one]

20. I specifically mentioned a demographic that depends on social security and medicare, and

Perhaps your assessment is right they won't touch Their
Social security or medicare and they don't care about future generations, however, if they put their faith in the republicans to honor that when their platform has been calling for privatization of both programs, they are not listening

Same with women, equal pay for equal work, Lilly Ledbetter act or even access to birth control, or no abortion even in case of rape, incest, or the life of the mother, do they really think their interests will be persevered under today's republicans?

[Savannahmann]

15. You mean the 90% of the people who saw nothing from the Stimulus?

The people who are actually falling behind every year and making less every year and wondering why when they hear about the great economic recovery?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025496396

Those people? Because chances are they're viewing the economy of pre 2007 as pretty good and wondering why we can't get it back.

[Thinkingabout]

6. We can not count on Republicans to stay at home, we have to win elections, GOTV is very important.

Elections are the Democrats to loose, I choose to win, get your like minded friends registered and out to vote.

[still_one]

11. we need 6 seats to retain control. The critical ones are the following:

AK: Begich (D)
AR: Pryor (D)
CO: Udall (D)
GA: Open (R)
IA: Open (D)
KY: McConnell (R)
LA: Landrieu (D)
MI: Open (D)
NC: Hagan (D)

[Savannahmann]

14. Tell me what the Democrats are campaigning on?

Tell me the campaign strategy. I can summarize it if you're unfamiliar with it. Pray that the other guy screws up.

To get people to vote against someone, you have to demonstrate that the someone is a problem. If they are well briefed enough that they can refrain from saying stupid things like "real rape" then you're work is really cut out.

The alternative, the one that has worked historically, is to give someone a reason to vote FOR you. That means you have to campaign on principles, and on at least a touch of populist idealism. Then, here is the tricky part, you have to govern with those principles, and that touch of populist idealism.

For example, more than half the people believe that Marijuana should be legalized. Now, I can count the Democratic politicians at the national level on one hand that have come out for this. So half the people feel that way, and none of our elected leaders do. So vote for us, we're just like them on this issue. Nice ring to it, a little long on the bumper sticker though.

OK, let's talk militarized police. More than half the people think it's gone too far. But Democrats afraid of being called soft on crime line up to support this crap.

Perhaps the people are with us on the NSA and really reforming the whole Military Industrial Intelligence Cabal. Actually the people are with those of us on DU, but not so much the Elected Democrats.

So Democrats are running on issues from the RW, and hoping somehow to win the election by pretending to be almost as conservative as the RW. So the reason to vote FOR Democrats is because you are against Republicans. TO the average voter, the Republicans are just another party, and judging from the performance of the Democratic Party this election cycle, that's not too far from the truth. Look at the posts here calling for GOTV efforts. Vote for us, we're the blue team. The Red team is really bad, or something.

We don't stand for anything, we don't carry out the desires of the people, and we continue the same policies that the other guys did when they were in power. We mouth words about being concerned about the middle class and the poor, and utterly ignore them as we make sure that our wall street friends are protected. We break our promise to the Hispanics, and tell them they owe it to us, and themselves, to vote and stop the Republicans from screwing them worse than we do.

So our plan was to wait for them to screw up, and if they didn't, well we'll blame someone else for it. That's not a campaign plan, that's the prayer of every idiot buying a lottery ticket. Please god, let me win.

[still_one]

17. not accurate, and all you need to do is look at the individual states

And the issues they are campaigning about

Look at Kentucky, Tennessee, Wendy Davis in Texas, etc

They are talking issues including abortion, birth control, ACA, etc

[Savannahmann]

19. Wendy Davis?

Seriously?

Wendy is back by double digits in every poll save one. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2014/governor/tx/texas_governor_abbott_vs_davis-3596.html But don't worry, I'm sure she'll lose well.

First, let me say her filibuster was admirable. What would have been better was someone to pull their brains out of their asses and use them. Under the law, a Doctor who is a trauma specialist in Houston visiting Dallas who views an accident can not offer more than basic first aide unless he has the privilege to admit a patient into a local hospital. His license to practice medicine in the state exists only where the local hospital is located. The legislation turned this man into an overqualified first aide volunteer outside his immediate vicinity.

No, we wouldn't use our brains. Instead we started the knee jerk response about the war on women. That has been used so often it is ignored by a vast majority of people. The phrase, and the meme is completely worn out, and we broke it out of the playbook again. Instead of doing things smart, we did them dumb and we lost. What were the odds that the Rethugs would hire someone with a brain?

Wendy's issue page, womens rights are way down on the list, after education, veterans, more education and programs for the children, because everyone loves children. Under that is immigration, if anyone bothers to read all the way down the list. http://www.wendydavistexas.com/issues/

Not one mention of the ACA on the issues page. NOT ONE. Because the ACA is a bad thing in Texas, if she embraces it, she's doomed. Yes, people like parts of it, but to get the part they like, they have to take the others they don't, and thus they side overwhelmingly in opposition to the ACA.

Wendy voted FOR permitting guns in cars on College Campus'. Yeah, because what we need are more guns around densely packed groups of young people. Most students aren't even old enough to own a gun, but that's fine, we'll let them keep them in their car. She did vote against CCW on campus, but in the car where the person would have to walk to their car to get it, well that's fine. That way someone can stand on a sidewalk and say here is a gun free zone, then stepping into the parking lot say here isn't a gun free zone.

http://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/108093/wendy-davis/37/guns#.VAympPldVAo

Now, the question is what could Wendy do as Governor? She can't pardon anyone. She can't sign the State up for the ACA without the legislature going along. They won't. So even if there is some miracle and she wins, she will be a powerless figurehead who can do little but rubber stamp the Rethug agenda from the solid majority Rethug legislature. Is that the agenda you really want the Democrats to have?

[still_one]

21. you said they were not campaigning on issues and that is false, but I like your negativity

Incidently, each state has their own set of issues. If she is for guns in cars then that is the demographic where she lives

The point is your post is that
they are not really trying to win, just hope the other side screws up and that is a gross misrepresentation

Regardless, I don't have that much patience for nay sayers. At least the people running are trying to do something whether you agree with them on all the issues or not.

The approach Nader took as an example, there is no difference between the two parties really worked out well