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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMy conversation with a socialist
Let me preface my remarks by saying I consider myself a soft socialist or garden variety liberal though though I don't subscribe to any rigid ideology for the same reason I don't subscribe to religious orthodoxy. Certain religious and ideological precepts inform my world view but no single one controls them. John Lennon was asked if he was a socialist. He said if socialism means that the government should see to it that granny gets her teeth fixed then I'm a socialist. Well, that's my definition. If I was God there would still be rich people but there wouldn't be any poor ones. I have no problem in saying there are folks who are just smarter than me and work harder than me and should be rewarded. The challenge is how large the rewards should be and what is their moral, legal, and ethical obligation to share their rewards with the rest of us. But taking away their wealth is not my raison d'etre, seeing to it that everybody gets to live a decent life is.
You might ask why if I eschew rigid ideologies I consider myself a DemocratSinceBirth. That's easy, because most Republicans suck.
Now that we got that out of way...
The socialist I spoke to was selling a socialist newspaper called the Spark at the North Hollywood station in L A. We struck up a conversation and I told him I did post grad work in Government and he told me he was a professor who has to work three jobs to make ends meet. Those conditions will push one to socialism but I digress... I asked him if he considered himself a Marxist and he said he was. I told him I had one professor during my entire education who considered himself a Marxist while the lion's share of them were garden variety liberals and a few were conservatives.
My conversation confirmed to me what I already knew and that's that third parties always hurt the party ideologically closest to them. If he convinced me to vote for the Socialist Worker's party or the Green candidate that's just one less vote for the Democrat. Get enough converts and you will elect the Republican. I pointed to marriage equality, gays being allowed to openly serve in the military as events we would never see in our lifetimes if Republicans controlled the levers of power.
We did agree about false consciousness...There are a lot of working class folks who should be receptive to a socialist message but aren't.
It was hot out there...I give him and his three associates credit for standing out in that baking sun but not quite as much as the two Jehovah's Witnesses who were still handing out pamphlets when I went past that spot some three hours later.
merrily
(45,251 posts)I find it hard to take that seriously. It makes me think that the Greens have settled into bringing another voice to the national scene. A different voice is not, in itself, a bad thing. However, if that is the goal now, or what the Green Party is settling for, I can't vote for it.
I wish the system would change, but I think Democrats and Republicans join forces to make sure nothing threatens the so-called two party system. I think it's very unhealthy for the nation, though.
Ron Green
(9,823 posts)There are ways to make the system more fair.
prairierose
(2,145 posts)would make a big difference in the parties and the representation available to the people. As it is, with our "winner take all" system, we are stuck with 2 parties that do not really represent the majority of people. One party only represents the interests of the oligarchs and the other , maybe half, represents the people.
Revanchist
(1,375 posts)We have enough trouble getting people to vote once, let alone twice.
Welibs
(188 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)I think the OP made it quite clear that the concept under discussion wasn't officially, by definition, socialism.
I don't know about "Huge Chavez." Sounds like a porn star.
Hugo Chavez, though, was one man and a politician. I can think of plenty of U.S. capitalist politicians I'd like to have seen defeated by socialists.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)The post I responded to was presenting a different definition.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)They are all smorgasbords that the individual can ignore or choose from.