Micheal Brown's mom laid flowers where he was killed and the cops destroyed them

[bigdarryl]

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/08/ferguson-st-louis-police-tactics-dogs-michael-brown

[Billy Budd]

1. the Cliven Bundy case VS Michael Brown

A clear case of white privilege

the Cliven Bundy case VS Michael Brown

Cliven Bundy spends twenty years going to court with the aim of cheating the American people of money he owes. He loses the legal case and goes into a "protest" that involves a gathering of drunken heavily armed methamphetamine addicts confronting the authorities from sniper positions. The authorities back off and to this very day the law breaking white thug gangster is free....

Michael Brown was merely walking on the street when confronted by a hyper violent nut bag Police who gunned him down without so much as one court appearance. They left his bleeding body lay on the street uncovered for hours to send a message to the community as to who has the power. The community protested. It was unarmed men women and children. The Police met them with paramilitary militia forces armed to the teeth with tanks tear gas automatic weapons and sound blaster disruptor....


The White People have privileges the Black People get pistol whipped by the system....

[riqster]

2. I'd add that ARMED white privilege is even more pernicious.

Again, see Bundy.

[PADemD]

3. "An officer on the street let the dog he was controlling urinate on the memorial site."

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/08/ferguson-st-louis-police-tactics-dogs-michael-brown

Disgusting. Vacation in St. Louis? No, thanks.

[Moostache]

31. Good point, sadly its totally lost on the morons in charge around here...

If I were not living here (though I can't guarantee that lasts too much longer either) I would drive around this whole in the Earth to avoid spending money here and supporting the region.

The St. Louis Rams are rumored to be moving back to Los Angeles soon, maybe I will head west with them and shake the hate off my feet on the way out East Kansas, USA.

[BuelahWitch]

43. A boycott of St. Louis might not be a bad idea

Maybe it would give their city and state governments a jolt of reality.

[Ineeda]

6. Oh, I see...it's the TITLE

that's inflammatory, not the actions described.

[Billy Budd]

7. they let a police dog urinate on the Michael Brown memorial

As darkness fell on Canfield Drive on August 9, a makeshift memorial sprang up in the middle of the street where Michael Brown's body had been sprawled in plain view for more than four hours. Flowers and candles were scattered over the bloodstains on the pavement. Someone had affixed a stuffed animal to a streetlight pole a few yards away. Neighborhood residents and others were gathering, many of them upset and angry.

Soon, police vehicles reappeared, including from the St. Louis County Police Department, which had taken control of the investigation. Several officers emerged with dogs. What happened next, according to several sources, was emblematic of what has inflamed the city of Ferguson, Missouri, ever since the unarmed 18-year-old was gunned down: An officer on the street let the dog he was controlling urinate on the memorial site.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/08/ferguson-st-louis-police-tactics-dogs-michael-brown

[1StrongBlackMan]

12. Really? ...

You can't be serious!

[bobduca]

14. Defend The COPS!!11111 eleventy

Member since: Sat Aug 23, 2014, 07:07 PM
Number of posts: 11

[rpannier]

19. Isn't it against site rules to use someone's post count against them?

[Rex]

25. Enjoy your stay!

"Triple_Threat"

[conservaphobe]

26. Three brain cells working together can be dangerous.

Nothing to laugh about.

[Rex]

27. LOL!

[bobduca]

40. It's a neural network!

a rude, pro-authoritarian, badge sniffing neural network.

[LanternWaste]

29. Memorials lie undisturbed in congested areas quite often

Memorials lie undisturbed in congested areas quite often; more so, memorials quite often lack police dogs urinating on them, regardless of allegations otherwise advertising either a bias or a blindness.

Yet still, remain confident in your pretense that what happened to this particular memorial is merely the norm.

[IdaBriggs]

35. Police dogs are trained to go on command.

This is because you do not want a police dog to disturb evidence by pissing on it.

The dog did not randomly choose to piss on the memorial - the police officer had to walk him to the memorial, then "give permission" for him to release his stream "in the middle of the street" as you say (which is not where dogs generally go).

The bloodstains of someone's child were still present. The memorial, similar to those created by people who were grieving for the victims of the World Trade Center, was started by a woman who was GRIEVING THE LOSS OF HER BABY BOY.

The police officer instructed his dog to piss ON the memorial instead of on a fire hydrant or a patch of grass or on a local tree.

This was done to demonstrate disrespect for the victim and those who were grieving him. It was insensitive to those dealing with the shocking, unexpected loss of young life. It was the only place a grieving mother could connect with the last moments her son was alive as she attempted to grapple with the reality of his death -- a child she had given birth to, stayed up nights with during infancy, nagged to do his homework so he could graduate high school and go to college, who she had raised with morals and values such that he hadn't impregnated another teenager during his adolescence and never been in trouble with the law prior to the day he lost his life.

She will never see him on his wedding day. She will never stand with him while he holds the grandchildren he gives her. She will never hold her son in this lifetime ever again.

And the flowers she placed there - flowers symbolic of the ones he will not be sending her on all of the Mother's Days she will live the rest of her life - were PISSED ON BY A DOG at the instruction of his Police Officer Handler to Demonstrate Contempt for the Deceased.

The investigation isn't over yet. Charitably, the officer made a tragic mistake; at worst, his decisions were influenced by his own early training at a department shut down for corruption, and a city where police officers were recorded on camera calling the tax paying citizens of their town "f*ck*ng animals" -- and are still employed.

But the tears of a mother, who had a place to kneel in grief as she keened over her loss, remembering her dead child, will now have the scent of dog piss as a reminder that in the eyes of those who vowed to "serve and protect" others, her son, because of the color of his skin, was killed for no reason that anyone can explain two and a half weeks later.

It is a small street. No cars ran the memorial over. But a police officer walked his dog over to it, and instructed him to piss.

The contempt was clear. The message was received. If you wish to pretend it was a simple misunderstanding, then show the letter of apology the police officer sent.

It wasn't. Everyone involved, including those on this message board, understand that Dog Piss on a Memorial for the Dead is an insult.

You can pretend we are all stupid. We aren't. Neither are you. You are playing word games to minimize despicable behavior. It is a bullying tactic.

I hope you are ashamed of yourself.

More importantly, I hope your mother never needs to cry at a memorial in your honor, while the smell of dog piss surrounds her.

[bobduca]

41. sniff that badge

it gives your life meaning

[HangOnKids]

48. There is a legitimate conversation to be had alas

You are not part of it. Speaking of dying on the vine, you need to take your wine/whine in the box acumen and shove off.

[bobduca]

68. GO A's

F the trolls!

[IdaBriggs]

44. Working dogs for the Police, as well as Assistance Dogs, are TRAINED for bladder control.

If you are ignorant of this fact, allow me to enlighten you. In my own life, my husband and I have done volunteer work with "Paws for a Cause" (raised a puppy for them), and have good relationships with K9 officers and their partners. Our group did training with "Leader Dogs for the Blind" and several of the volunteer instructors were K9 trainers. We also took our training pup to hospitals (where she did not piss in the wrong places, just like the other assistance dogs didn't piss inappropriately because otherwise hospitals couldn't let them in to visit), and as I said, all dogs involved with law enforcement would be *flunked out of the program* before they were placed if they did *not* piss on command / where they were instructed to do so because *EVIDENCE*. If you would like to know more about the requirements for "working assistance and law enforcement dogs" you can do a google search -- they are AMAZING, and this officer's actions bring shame upon the rest of them.

It was intended as a contemptuous gesture. The message has been received.

As for projecting, I stated *FACTS* about the future life experiences his grieving mother will never have with her son. I can *EMPATHIZE* with her pain because I am not a sociopath. And since I know the smell of dog piss based on my own life experience, I can be horrified at disrespecting a memorial for the newly dead.

Here is one good way to know whether it was an "accident" -- did he rush for some windex and paper towels to get it all cleaned up? That is what happens when puppies have "accidents."

This wasn't an accident. It was a message.

"He's dead. Good riddance. Let the dogs piss on the spot he died. The police force does not mourn him, and we have contempt for the tears of his mother."

It was received, and the town blew up. May there be justice for this mother and her son. Please God, let there be justice.

[IdaBriggs]

49. I thank you for providing me an opportunity to clarify my arguments.

Your trolling this site has exposed more people to the truth of the horrible nature of this crime, and the inexcusable actions of the soon-to-be-unemployed officers who created the situation. If *anyone* actually believed a police officer instructing his partner to piss on a memorial was an accident, they have been given the opportunity to learn more about service animals.

"There are none so blind as those who will not see." If you see no problem, you see no need for a solution. If you think the unarmed dead teenager was the problem, you can be oblivious to the crime of the man who killed him, and the culture of corruption that minimizes his loss to the community and his family.

Congratulations! You are officially part of the problem.

May I suggest you take the "am I sociopath" test? http://www.okcupid.com/tests/the-are-you-a-sociopath-test

[IdaBriggs]

55. Uh, no, disagreeing with me does not a sociopath make.

That is what is called a "straw man argument" where you make up something and then argue about it. Very Right Wing Whack Job tactic.

Why not go take the test and see where you come down on the scale?



ON EDIT: MIRT Team!!!

[bobduca]

66. Good fucking riddance!

Yay MIRT, yay Admins! good fucking riddance to "Torch the witch"

who could have figured that this shitbag troll was a shitbag troll?

[JustAnotherGen]

16. Pull this finger and I . . .

Oh bother

[whathehell]

22. Oh please..

Are you sure you don't have a Republic to Free somewhere?

[appleannie1]

51. The dog was on a leash and could have been pulled away. The total lack of respect is the problem

Not the title of the article. What would it have hurt to allow the loved ones a moment of grief out of something as simple as respect? It is done all the time in most areas after a senseless death.

[In_The_Wind]

56. Are you serious?

[SammyWinstonJack]

8. Lost?

[malaise]

13. FFS

[irisblue]

17. seems kinda early to pick fights

did you mean to do that?

[Rex]

23. Awww does the truth make you mad? Guess what? The cop that murdered that kid?

He is going to jail when all is said and done...you cop apologist crack me up!

[Logical]

53. Enjoy your short stay! nt

[OldEurope]

5. My heart is aching.

How can they be this cruel? I don't know what to say.

[TorchTheWitch]

9. a memorial in the middle of the street is stupid

The street is for traffic. Obstructions in the road are dangerous. A memorial at the side of the road would be fine. People make memorials for people who have died on the road all the time, but they aren't so dense as to put them in the middle of the street and expect everyone driving on the street to a) see it, and b) avoid it. So the police drove over them. Where the hell are they or anyone else supposed to drive other than the street??? Police especially can't be blocked from using any portion of a public street. If they didn't want anyone driving over the flower petals they shouldn't have put them IN the road. Who does that? The middle of the street is not a private memorial grounds.

As for the alleged officer that let his police dog pee on the flower petals, am I supposed to believe that he deliberately made the dog piss there? Dogs pee where they want and when they want when they're outside, and if you aren't paying attention and notice they're about to pee on something you don't want them to good luck making them stop mid-stream. What a stretch.

The whole article is a stretch. The only thing done wrong here was people building a memorial in the middle of the damn street. I was led to believe that it was bunches of flowers left at the memorial site IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET and it turns out that all it was was flower petals strewn in the road to spell out Brown's name. What, police are supposed to stop in the middle of the road and collect all the flower petals and rebuild the memorial off the road which the people should have done in the first place? Pick up all the candles and move them to the side of the road and re-light them? Good grief! No, it's illegal to block a public street and especially from police officers. No one and especially not police officers should be expected to use the street in such a way as to avoid someone's illegally placed memorial in THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET. Is there something that's not understood here that this is a public street??? That you don't do a memorial for someone in the middle of the street and then expect everyone driving on the street to avoid it even if they can see it to begin with?

And I'm supposed to be horrified that an alleged officer's canine partner supposedly pissed on flower petals illegally placed in THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET as if he made the dog do it deliberately??? Yeah, right.

Rubbish. Biased absurd rubbish that no where even mentions the stupidity and illegality of building a memorial in the middle of a public street and expects that it's somehow the responsibility of everyone including the police to avoid it.

[Ms. Toad]

15. It seems reasonable to me that a memorial in the street

should be treated with respect and allowed to stay there at least as long as Brown's body was left in the middle of the street.

Your outrage is a bit over the top, given the circumstances.

[JustAnotherGen]

18. In total agreement

Comes down to this - his life wasn't important to a lot of people in America - neither was his death. Hey! It's a free country. Folks are welcome to believe what they want. Just don't think those beliefs make them my equal is all.

[whathehell]

24. I agree. n/t

[yardwork]

28. The dead body lay in the street for four hours.

Didn't that block traffic?

[PADemD]

33. +1000

[Starry Messenger]

60. +1000

[Dont call me Shirley]

30. WOW! Callous, just callous!

Grow some compassion and empathy

[Botany]

32. All good points but the smart thing to do would have been to let the memorial stay up ...

.... for a little time. Hell, have a cop protect it and direct traffic around it for
a day or so to buy a lttle good will between the police and the public.

[jeff47]

34. If the middle of the street is such a protected location

why was the police dog there?

If you're going to claim the middle of the street is a place where only traffic can exist, then you should be outraged that the police officer took the dog into the middle of the street.

Instead, you're claiming "dog's gonna pee where it wants".

Pick one:
- The cop and memorial are wrong
- the memorial's fine and "dog's gonna pee where it wants"

[IdaBriggs]

37. Police dogs are trained to go on command.

If the street was full of traffic, it is unlikely the dog was taken to the middle of the "street full of traffic" to defecate by ACCIDENT instead of to a nearby tree.

You can read the rest of my reply up thread.

[bobduca]

42. Authoritarian-minded idiocy.

THE TRAFFIC MUST FLOW!!!!!11111

Your presumption of innocence here, re: "alleged officer" shows how clueless you are about the situation in Ferguson. Please check yourself.

[1StrongBlackMan]

45. No, it's not "authoritarian-minded idiocy" ...

I think it's something far more toxic

[La Lioness Priyanka]

59. agreed

[aikoaiko]

50. And the jury results are in....

On Wed Aug 27, 2014, 11:40 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

a memorial in the middle of the street is stupid
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5449298

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

calling mourners stupid for the placement of a memorial of a loved one killed by cops. insensitive and rude post

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Aug 27, 2014, 11:52 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not tasteful, but long-winded.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't think this needs to be hidden.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Let's hold ourselves to a little higher standard then the police.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I agree with the alerter that it's an insensitive (and emotionally clueless) post.

But let it stand and deal with it, and the poster, in the thread...
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Rude and insensitive indeed. I hate this post. Still, I don't feel it is hide-worthy. I hope it adequately shredded by intelligent and sensitive responses.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

58. killing an unarmed boy is stupid and not allowing a community to grieve the way they want is stupid.

memorial on street is at best inconvenient.

[1StrongBlackMan]

61. Inconvenient to whom? ...

Certainly not the Community in mourning.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

63. good point. i meant at best inconvenient to people driving through the neighbourhood.

[1StrongBlackMan]

64. Read: white folks ...

I hope people don't take offense to that.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

65. its the truth, no matter how much offense anyone takes

[democrank]

10. Rest in peace, Michael Brown

[Enthusiast]

36. More evidence that cops are assholes.

As if we needed additional verification.

[jwirr]

54. This whole thing just make one sick to the stomach. What childish imature persons the Ferguson MO

police are. They need to be replace completely and their toys need to be turned into metal collectors.

[irisblue]

57. thanks for the troll removal MIRT!

[bobduca]

67. +1000

Hey "torch the witch", fuck you !!! since I know you are reading this....

[BlindTiresias]

62. American cops are degenerate assholes

If there are so many "good ones" why aren't they standing up to the bastards?

Hint: The number of good cops is much smaller than apologists say.

[Cha]

69. Oh NO.. talk about Mean Spirits. :(