Limbaugh Lashes Out At "Feminazis": "The Reality Is That Boys Chase Girls" (regarding date rape)

[alp227]

http://mediamatters.org/video/2014/08/26/rush-limbaugh-dismisses-date-rape-the-reality-i/200550

Transcript:

LIMBAUGH: Here's the way the feminazis look at this -- Every step a woman must take to protect herself from unwanted sexual assault is just evidence that there is nothing that can be done to stop it. And therefore, if nothing is going to be done to stop it -- in other words, if we're not going to come up with ways to target the rapist beforehand -- then all we're doing is promoting the rape culture by putting the burden on the woman.

There was a story, seems like last week but it had to be longer ago than that, where, maybe it was Stephen A. Smith, somebody said that, and maybe it was a woman, who said 'well women have to realize that certain ways they dress can be productive and inviting and all.' And remember the feminazis went batty over that. The sad thing is -- and that's not sad -- the reality is that boys chase girls. I mean, there's nothing the feminazis are ever going to be able to do about that.

They call it sexual objectification, demeaning, not taking women seriously, but it's just the way of the world. Boys chase girls. They always have. A great line in a song, 'a boy chases a girl until she catches him.' I've always loved that line. And yeah, some of the guys chasing the girls are not chivalrous, and they're not moral, and they're not nice. In fact, they are guys that commit sex crimes. And I don't know what, that's always been the case too, and that fact that some women have come up with a nail polish product that can identify an adult beverage that's laced with a date rape drug offends the feminazis by claiming that it promotes rape culture? Who put these nut jobs in charge of new products anyways? How come when a new product comes out, somebody has to go to the feminazis to find out what they think about it?

Stephen A. Smith got suspended last month for comments that appeared to justify domestic violence.

And speaking of Limbaugh's sexual objectification comments, here's a true story: I've seen comments - written by longtime DUers not trolls - that actually DENY the existence of the very concept. I am now shivering at the prospect that some of Limpbrain's talking points are being echoed on DU!

[BainsBane]

1. Your last statement

Yep. I can't say who is and who isn't a troll, but clearly there are some Limbaugh-leaning in their views of rape and women's rights more generally.

Not so surprisingly, some have all kinds of nice things to say about Baby Doc (Rand Paul).

[alp227]

2. Seriously. I can't believe so many "progressives" take the Limbaugh side on women's issues.

Perhaps DU is seeing an explosion of "socially liberal, fiscally/politically conservative" (more accurately me-me-me libertarian) types who support gay marriage but hate ANYTHING "state" whether the NSA or Social Security.

[BainsBane]

4. Well, as long as it's allowed

People will advance those views, and the site will attract more who share that ultra-right wing view of women.

[Warren DeMontague]

10. Yeah, like when he called 50 shades of Grey "anti-feminist porn"

I swear, we had 10 threads in GD saying exactly the same thing!

[kcr]

58. Leave Rush Limbaugh alone!

[Warren DeMontague]

60. Nah, I'll continue to call him a bloviating shit-sack, as I've always done, thanks.

However, it's the height of facile reasoning to try to assert that everyone who doesn't have a meltdown over the sports illustrated swimsuit issue is somehow on the "side" of rush limbaugh.

Goofy as fuck, especially when the only people in politics arguing for censorship and bleating about "hypersexualized smut culture" are folks like Rick Santorum.

[kcr]

61. Of course. Except when he's bloviating his sexist viewpoints n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

62. He's full of shit, full stop. Like when he criticized 50 shades of grey as "anti feminist porn"

(Funny, though, the number of people in other places who lost their shit similarly, over that exceedingly popular piece of bad writing.)

...basically on one side you have the people who support choice, reproductive freedom, and the right of consenting adults to make their own damn decisions and run their own sex lives---

and on the other side you have the control freaks, censorship nabobs, slut shaming anti-choice fucksticks like Limbaugh, who want to tell people what they can do with their bodies, what they can watch or read, etc.

[Skittles]

3. he's a sad, irrelevent, inadequate man

absolutely pathetic

[11 Bravo]

42. On the bright side, he hasn't seen his dick for 40 years, so he's unlikely to procreate.

[Wella]

5. There's a nail polish that identifies date rape drugs?

Is that for real?

(The rest of it is just the usual blather, but that factoid, if true, was interesting.)

[alp227]

6. yep

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/08/26/students-develop-nail-polish-to-detect-date-rape-drugs/

[Wella]

7. Very awesome!

That bit of info was worth wading through the gasbag's rant.

[davidn3600]

12. Apparently though SOME feminists are upset at that invention thinking its victim-blaming

They think it puts the responsibility on the woman to prevent a rape. They think it supports rape culture since it doesn't put responsibility on men to not rape.

Which is stupid. That's like saying having a lock your front door is putting responsibility on the homeowner to not get robbed. It's like saying that because Home Depot sells deadbolt locks, it means they support a culture of robbery.

Telling men not to rape and providing tools to help a person defend themselves are not mutually exclusive. You don't have to do only one or the other. Why not do both?

We are never going to live in a crime-free utopia. I'm sorry, but living in a world without crime is not realistically possible.

[Wella]

15. My opinion is that anything that empowers people to protect themselves is a good thing

I understand the fear of being blamed for rape--that has happened since the beginning of civilization as far as I can tell. Rape is one of the few crimes where the victim is treated more like the criminal than the actual criminal. The equivalent is if a guy were berated and harangued for leaving his car in a badly lit area, resulting in its being stolen. The guy is not to blame for the criminality of the car thief and while he may have not been terribly wise leaving his car in a badly lit area, he is not a moral pariah for doing so. Unfortunately, with rape, the victim is not seen as being unfortunate or unwise in not taking precautions: she is seen as a moral pariah for someone else's crime. It's like a lifetime of paying for a sin you didn't commit.

[Louisiana1976]

55. I agree 100%. And welcome to DU.

[Wella]

56. Thanks!

[redqueen]

26. You using Limbaugh as a source for that or can you link us to those "SOME feminists"? nt

[davidn3600]

29. Here...

“One of the ways that rape is used as a tool to control people is by limiting their behavior,” Rebecca Nagle, one of the co-directors of an activist group called FORCE: Upsetting Rape Culture that challenges the societal norms around sexual assault, explained. “As a woman, I’m told not to go out alone at night, to watch my drink, to do all of these things. That way, rape isn’t just controlling me while I’m actually being assaulted — it controls me 24/7 because it limits my behavior. Solutions like these actually just recreate that. I don’t want to fucking test my drink when I’m at the bar. That’s not the world I want to live in.”

According to Alexandra Brodsky, one of the founders and current co-directors of Know Your IX, a survivor-led group working to address campus sexual assault, well-intentioned products like anti-rape nail polish can actually end up fueling victim blaming. Any college students who don’t use the special polish could open themselves up to criticism for failing to do everything in their power to prevent rape.

“One of the reason we get so excited about these really simple fixes is because it makes us feel like the problem itself is really simple. That’s a comforting idea,” Brodsky noted. “But I really wish that people were funneling all of this ingenuity and funding and interest into new ways to stop people from perpetrating violence, as opposed to trying to personally avoid it so that the predator in the bar rapes someone else.”

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/08/25/3475190/date-rape-nail-polish/


I would absolutely LOVE to live in a world where we didnt have rape, or murder, or burglary, or violence. I would love that. But that's not the world we live in. And such a world is not possible. That's why we need to have courts, police, jails, and prisons. That's why we need to have locks on our doors and why we need to be careful when we walk down the street at night alone (male or female).

If you want to make ad campaigns telling people not to rape or abuse others...do it. I have no problem with that. I don't think it will have much effect since rapists by nature tend to lack empathy. But you are welcome to do it if you want. But don't attack people who try to invent ways to help other people protect themselves. You can do both at the same time.

[redqueen]

31. You blatantly mischaracterized her comments on the product.

Were you just copying Rush's mischaracterization or did you do that yourself?

She isn't "upset at that invention thinking its victim-blaming".

She said it can actually end up fueling victim blaming.

She didnt say "it puts the responsibility on the woman to prevent a rape".

Thats your Limbaugh-esque spin.

She said “I really wish that people were funneling all of this ingenuity and funding and interest into new ways to stop people from perpetrating violence, as opposed to trying to personally avoid it so that the predator in the bar rapes someone else.”

And although this product is a nice band aid that will hopefully prevent some women from being raped, at least by the men who use that tactic, prevention is where our efforts should be directed. Up until now very little focus has been put on prevention.

She's not saying don't do both. She's saying we should have a lot more focus on prevention than we do now. And that is clear to anyone who isnt overly fond of rightwing, MRA style talking points.

Oh and before it happens again: Prevention doesnt mean "a crime free utopia " - it simply means we talk about the causes and find ways to reduce them, rather than accepting epidemic levels of rape as inevitable and focusing solely on telling women how to avoid being raped.

[LanternWaste]

47. Many half-wits will indeed, conflate the neutral observation that X "can actually end up fueling vic

Many half-wits will indeed, conflate the neutral observation that X "can actually end up fueling victim blaming" with being victim blaming in and of itself.

I imagine they have much better reasons than sub-literacy for doing so.

[alp227]

41. "culture of robbery"? do you even know what rape culture is?

And there's no comparing "rape culture" with "other-crime culture" given society's tendency to rationalize sexual abuse over any other crime!

[hifiguy]

36. I have to say that is a very clever and useful application

of technology. Whoda thunk something like that was possible. That is creative thinking.

[Jamaal510]

8. I need a translator

to help me understand Rush's Wingnutian language. All of what he said sounded like a word garden, never mind a word salad.

[tosh]

38. Yeah...

I felt that too.

Hopefully he's finally self-destructing.

Neurological disintegration.

[Warren DeMontague]

9. And I've seen comments by long-time DU members that echo the talking points of Ed Meese

And Rick Santorum, on the topic of free expression, sexuality, and the 1st Amendment.

Odd, that.

But.... someone denied the existence "of the concept"? Please, Don't be shy. Do tell. Hell, post links, if you really feel inclined to get into call-outs.

How precisely does one deny the existence of a concept?

Seems to me that if a concept didn't exist, one wouldn't be able to talk about it at all, would they?

[alp227]

11. "How precisely does one deny the existence of a concept?"

Did you seriously just ask that? OK, I'll explain. By saying so.

And I won't name names, but somebody actually re-framed sexual objectification as "representations of sexuality" in another recent thread. That's a way to deny a concept: by re-framing the concept in more mild euphemism.

[Warren DeMontague]

13. The concept clearly exists. But what it is is, a label for ostensibly objective

Phenomena.

Personally, I think it's a concept of limited validity or, probably more precisely, usefulness- in that I think most of what people label objectification could probably be better described as sexual attraction based on superficial characteristics with a concomitant lack of empathic connection.

In terms of the media, one gets even further into the reeds and weeds, beyond the obvious (albeit somewhat rare) examples when someone's body is actually presented in an ad as a toaster or a bottle of beer or some other object (prompting the inevitable chorus of "aha! see?&quot notwithstanding the fact that human bodies exist physically in spacetime and are, undeniably, likewise "objects".

But questioning the utility or objective validity of the concept (or challenging grounds on which it may be presented as "science", combined with lofty assertions about what is transpiring in person's A cognition when they experience sexual attraction to person B for reasons person C doesn't think are appropriate ones) is NOT the same thing as saying the concept doesn't exist. Correct concepts exist, and so do demonstrably false ones, as well as questionable concepts- they all "exist", insofar as any thought or idea does.

[theHandpuppet]

21. "sexual attraction based on superficial characteristics with a concomitant lack of empathic...

...connection"

Also known as objectification.

Glad I could clear that up for you.

[Warren DeMontague]

46. You can call it frank or fred or theodopholis or the 13th floor elevators, if you want

It's still a subjective label for observed- or imagined - phenomena, which may or may not have objective validity- the other big category of which that seems to fall under it being "person A is sexually attracted to person B for reasons that bug person C"

[theHandpuppet]

51. You can call it subjective or imagined or you can call it phenomena

It's objectification.

I bet you're hell on wheels at Scrabble.

[Warren DeMontague]

53. Defenestration! I love that one.

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Not that i think anyone should throw anyone else out of windows, of course.

As far as the topic at hand; whatever the label, it seems pretty obvious that many people find others attractive on the basis of superficial characteristics, and likewise sexual attraction doesnt always come with empathic identification, or to put it another way, people can be shallow when they lust.

Where, to my mind, we get into dubious territory is when folks assert that this is new, or "unnatural", or somehow a product of our "media saturated society", and so on.

The assertions get way into spurious speculation, I think, when folks assert that people finding the other people attractive on the basis of superficial physical characteristics, even when that comes with a lack of empathic identification, are mentally no longer being attracted to people (albeit on a superficial basis) but instead magically transmogrifying the people they are looking at into toasters or weed whackers or some form of object (forgetting, again, that human beings occupy 3 dimensional physical space and ARE "objects", of course)

I think that last assertion is silly. People who feel lust- shallow lust, superficial lust maybe- for other people are still lusting after people, and not toasters or pliers or ATVs.

[Adrahil]

22. You're being pedantic... You know well what was meant. NT

[Warren DeMontague]

45. No, what's pedantic- or maybe just plain silly- is suggesting that everyone who questions a concept

Like "objectification" is "echoing RW Rush Limbaugh talking points ZOMG O NO!"

[hifiguy]

43. A "concept" may exist as a theoretical postulation

regardless of its actual practicality. Something like warp drive would be an example of this at its purest level.

Whether the thing the concept is attempting to define or posit exists in some way that can be concretely formulated to a reasonable degree of certainty or which has an agreed-upon meaning such that it can be examined and debated - preferably in accordance with the general tenets of the scientific or philosophical method - is another issue.

[gordianot]

14. I am sure feminazis everywhere are terrified or stunned.

Sounds like Rush can not find a replacement.

[Warren DeMontague]

17. Here's every fucking thing Rush Limbaugh has ever said, condensed:

Harumph parupmph fart blart fart, parumph parrrumph parumph, and furthermore rump pump harumph fart, verily indeed harumph fart blart fart harumparumparumparump.

[hifiguy]

37. Not enough farts. Missing a belch or two as well.

[bvf]

16. I can't even bring myself to read transcripts

of this organism anymore. That said, is he still important, if only in a Sarah Palin kind of way?

I don't see him getting much recognition by the Republican party leadership these days.

[jmowreader]

18. He still calls women "feminazis"?

Does oxycontin abuse and sex tourism destroy your creativity too?

[DetlefK]

19. Rush Limbaugh's excuse is that all men are natural-born rapists???

[Johonny]

33. Yes. If Rush was a man instead of a troll then he'd be offended by what he implied.

[DetlefK]

35. It's interesting that it's basically the same argument used for islamic gender-segregation.

An islamic scholar said that segregation is necessary, because those young men are just tomcats looking for some flesh. (His metaphor, not mine!)

So, men are animals that can't be trusted. That's his argument. But those animals that can't be trusted are in charge of leading a society.

[xocet]

20. Limbaugh's Todd Akin Moment? Is Limbaugh implying that there is some form of desired sexual assault?

During Discussion Of Rape Culture, Limbaugh Lashes Out At "Feminazis": "The Reality Is That Boys Chase Girls"

LIMBAUGH: Here's the way the feminazis look at this -- Every step a woman must take to protect herself from

unwanted sexual assault is just evidence that there is nothing that can be done to stop it.

...

http://mediamatters.org/video/2014/08/26/rush-limbaugh-dismisses-date-rape-the-reality-i/200550

[hlthe2b]

23. Some of this sounds very very familiar..

One might wonder if those who have spewed similar will recognize it coming from Limbaugh... To have in common these disgusting attitudes toward women with Limbaugh really ought to give a few here pause.

[redqueen]

24. Limbaugh denies the existence of sexual objectification and so do many DUers.

And many disruptive RW trolls are banned only after months of spewing anti-feminist bullshit.



Gee maybe someone might start noticing some fucking patterns here? Maybe? No?

[Tom Ripley]

25. While Limbaugh chases boys

[Initech]

30. And abuses Viagra on his Caribbean sex capades.

Really Limbaugh is so full of shit on this issue it's unbelievable. I wonder what the TSA found on that plane when it came back?

[closeupready]

27. Girls chase boys.

But aside from that, why does anyone care what he thinks.

[DanTex]

28. I've already seen the "it's just reality" excuse here on DU.

[redqueen]

32. Over and over and over and over and over

[Tuesday Afternoon]

34. It happens rarely, that I don't know whether to rec or trash a thread.

This is one of those times.

[closeupready]

39. "When in doubt, throw it out!"

[Tuesday Afternoon]

40. either way I will have to hold my nose!

[Arkana]

44. I think there's a skip in El Rushbo's record--someone should tell him

that it isn't the 90s anymore.

[Tikki]

49. 'a boy chase a girl until she catches him' hey limpbah..Is that like a girl getting your alimony....

or setting all the rules up in a prenup..You should know!!! LOSER


Tikki

[mythology]

50. Given how many time he's been divorced

Does he really feel qualified on how to romantically pursue women without crossing some sort of line? From what I can tell, he seems very good at getting the woman to let him go.

[Initech]

52. So says the oxycontin and Viagra abusing quadruple divorcee ...

Who goes on Caribbean sex trade romps with his conservative friends.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

54. Oh well.

Fat ass's show is in the crapper so he's trying to get his last licks in.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/27/1324916/-Rush-Limbaugh-Plagued-With-Deserting-Radio-Stations-And-Now-Dead-Air

[freshwest]

57. Well, even his Koch brothers funding through Freedom Works was said to be a waste of money by no

less than Dick Armey himself as he was getting a few kicks while leaving the group.

I never thought the advertisers were vital to his shows, just the front for the big donors who paid him to bring in a generation of voters to the polls to further the Koch agenda by electing their lapdogs the GOP.

Their meetings with the elected GOP who have pledged allegiance to them is coming out more often on the net. Not on television, of course.

The last time the evil work of the Koches got air time with Harry Reid, Bernie Sanders and others going after them, including Obama, the media staged an epic fawing festival over the Bundies. I think it was done for cover.

[kcr]

59. They're showing up in this thread already, right on cue.