Flashback: Hillary praises McCain and slams Obama during 2008 primaries

[Cali_Democrat]

Keep in mind this was at a time when McCain had pretty much wrapped up the GOP nomination.

FORT WORTH, TEXAS -- Hillary Clinton told reporters that both she and the presumtive Republican nominee John McCain offer the experience to be ready to tackle any crisis facing the country under their watch, but Barack Obama simply offers more rhetoric. "I think you'll be able to imagine many things Senator McCain will be able to say," she said. "He's never been the president, but he will put forth his lifetime of experience. I will put forth my lifetime of experience. Senator Obama will put forth a speech he made in 2002." Clinton was referring to Obama's anti-war speech he delivered in Chicago before entering the United States Senate.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/clinton-says-she-and-mccain-offer-experience-obama-offers-speeches/

Ahh...good times.....

[JaydenD]

1. South Carolina debates, 2008

I still hear this absolute LIE that Obama admires Reagan to this day, because she started that fuggin lie. For those who got sucked into the lie, Listen.

[wyldwolf]

2. Flashback: Obama praises Ronald Reagan and slams Clinton during 2008 primaries

I don't want to present myself as some sort of singular figure. I think part of what's different are the times. I do think that for example the 1980 was different. I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it. I think they felt like with all the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s and government had grown and grown but there wasn't much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating. I think people, he just tapped into what people were already feeling, which was we want clarity we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing. - Barack Obama

There are many reason progressives should admire Ronald Reagan, politically speaking. He realigned the country around his vision, he brought into power a new movement that created conservative change, and he was an extremely skilled politician. But that is not why Obama admires Reagan. Obama admires Reagan because he agrees with Reagan's basic frame that the 1960s and 1970s were full of 'excesses' and that government had grown large and unaccountable.

Those excesses, of course, were feminism, the consumer rights movement, the civil rights movement, the environmental movement, and the antiwar movement. The libertarian anti-government ideology of an unaccountable large liberal government was designed by ideological conservatives to take advantage of the backlash against these 'excesses'.

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=3263

Ahh... good times...

[JaydenD]

6. False. I see you didn't bother actually watching that vid above your post.

[wyldwolf]

7. That's a direct quote from Senator Obama. Are you saying he didn't say this?

[JaydenD]

8. There is no 'praise' of Reagan. There is a recognition that Reagan used tactics to

soak up some Democratic votes and served as a great turning point in politics.

You would especially wince at the part where Obama says he worked hard against Reagan's policies, out in the streets, while Hillary was council for Walmart.

Hillary failed to make that false accusation stick, and so do you.

[wyldwolf]

9. Are you denying Senator Obama said that?

"... He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it. I think they felt like with all the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s and government had grown and grown but there wasn't much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating. I think people, he just tapped into what people were already feeling..."

That was made up? Senator Obama did not say that?

[JaydenD]

11. that is not praise nor admiration nor kissing the ass of Reagan no mtter how many times

you insist it is.

Hillary tries this in the vid, the one you don't want to see/hear and Obama explains Very Clearly how she, and you, are dead wrong.

[wyldwolf]

13. sounded like praise to me and countless others

Sam Stein called it praise:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/16/obama-compares-himself-to_n_81835.html

Matt Stoller considered it praise:

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=3263

John Edwards thought it was praise:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/18/obama-criticized-for-reagan-reference/comment-page-24/

Leftcoaster:

http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011813.php

[JaydenD]

14. Then they are dead wrong as well, or have their own agenda or the same agenda.

The part you are avoiding in the vid is around 4:20 in, the part those names you list avoided as well.

[wyldwolf]

15. Right. (snicker)

[JaydenD]

16. Here, have a snicker about whether Hillary or Obama imitate Reagan the closest:

Reagan loved to meddle in Central America, as did Hillary and the coup she supported in Honduras while she was SoS. The Clinton administration also parroted the Reagan admin with the stinging and horrible Welfare Reform. I believe trickle down was first coined by that miserable bad actor too, and lo and behold the trickling started into a gush with what Clinton did with his de-regulations in the finance sector.

[wyldwolf]

17. no thanks. Watching you foam at the mouth is entertainment enough.

[JaydenD]

18. Typical response from someone with none.

Okay, my work is done, thanks for showing what you showed.

[Logical]

12. Where does he agree with Reagan? He said people tapped into it. Not that it was correct. nt

[davidpdx]

19. I wouldn't expect a real answer from the person

All he/she is capable of is snark. It's obvious he/she is ignoring the context.

[joshcryer]

3. Obama showed how experienced he was.

I don't see the USA electing a junior senator to the presidency for quite some time if ever again.

[conservaphobe]

4. Neither Obama, nor Clinton hold a grudge about 08.

They understand and appreciate what has to be said and done during campaigns. They moved on and worked together.

Some of their diehard supporters could learn a thing or two from them about not getting stuck in the past. Some of them act like this is still 2008 and any of those primary battles still matter. Politics don't work like that.

[TheCowsCameHome]

5. "Fire up the Wayback machine, Sherman"

It's going to be a bumpy ride.

[Cha]

10. Well, she sure was the fuck wrong about john mccain.. unless she mentioned that he was ready

to bomb the shit outta anything that moved?

"Senator Obama will put forth a speech he made in 2002." Clinton was referring to Obama's anti-war speech he delivered in Chicago before entering the United States Senate."

Brawawawaaaaa.. Hey, that was quite a speech!

Delivered on 26 October 2002 at an anti-war rally in Chicago by Barack Obama, Illinois Senator.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_Obama\'s_Iraq_Spee...

Good afternoon. Let me begin by saying that although this has been billed as an anti-war rally, I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances.

The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and yet it was only through the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union, and drive the scourge of slavery from our soil. I don’t oppose all wars.

My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton’s army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain.

I don’t oppose all wars.

After September 11th, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this Administration’s pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such a tragedy from happening again.

I don’t oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income – to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.

That’s what I’m opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.

Now let me be clear – I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity.

He’s a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.

I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars.

So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the president today. You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s finish the fight with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure that the UN inspectors can do their work, and that we vigorously enforce a non-proliferation treaty, and that former enemies and current allies like Russia safeguard and ultimately eliminate their stores of nuclear material, and that nations like Pakistan and India never use the terrible weapons already in their possession, and that the arms merchants in our own country stop feeding the countless wars that rage across the globe.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure our so-called allies in the Middle East, the Saudis and the Egyptians, stop oppressing their own people, and suppressing dissent, and tolerating corruption and inequality, and mismanaging their economies so that their youth grow up without education, without prospects, without hope, the ready recruits of terrorist cells.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to wean ourselves off Middle East oil, through an energy policy that doesn’t simply serve the interests of Exxon and Mobil.

Those are the battles that we need to fight. Those are the battles that we willingly join. The battles against ignorance and intolerance. Corruption and greed. Poverty and despair.

The consequences of war are dire, the sacrifices immeasurable. We may have occasion in our lifetime to once again rise up in defense of our freedom, and pay the wages of war. But we ought not – we will not – travel down that hellish path blindly. Nor should we allow those who would march off and pay the ultimate sacrifice, who would prove the full measure of devotion with their blood, to make such an awful sacrifice in vain."

I don't remember this during the big primary fights of 2008.. oh boy!

thanks Cali~

[davidpdx]

20. Don't for get the "It's 3 am" ads

I hope Clinton hires the same idiots that ran her last bungled campaign.