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Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 06:23 PM Apr 2012

The Liberal Betrayal of Bradley Manning...

http://news.salon.com/2012/04/10/the_liberal_betrayal_of_bradley_manning/singleton/

Similarly, those on the right who condemn Manning do so in a manner repellent to the more refined liberal palette. Former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, for instance – in the midst of selling his children’s book, Can’t Wait Till Christmas! – declared that for Manning, “anything less than execution is too kind a penalty.”

How uncouth. How vulgar. On the center-left, the position is much more sensible: don’t outright murder the guy, at least not without a show trial, but don’t you dare let him see the light of day again. As Obama himself pronounced, “He broke the law,” which is something that must be obeyed by everyone but bankers and torturers and presidents. We can’t just expose the state-sanctioned torture and murder of innocents willy-nilly. We can’t just listen to our own consciences when confronted with institutional evil. That’d be anarchy. Which is bad.

To be fair, liberals can’t really be blamed for their reaction to Manning. What he did was fundamentally radical, not reformist. He didn’t settle for working within a system explicitly designed to thwart the exposure of wrongdoing, through a chain of command that callously ignores concern for non-American life. Having access to evidence of grotesque crimes no one around him seemed to care about, he engaged in direct action, exposing them for the benefit of the world and those paying for them, the U.S. taxpayer.

“(I)f you had free reign over classified networks for long periods of time,” Manning reportedly wrote to the man who ultimately turned him in, “and you saw incredible things, awful things… things that belonged in the public domain, and not on some server stored in a dark room in Washington DC… what would you do? ” We know what his answer was. And we know what the guardians of establishment liberalism would have had him do: Nothing.


Judge for yourself which is more defensible.
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The Liberal Betrayal of Bradley Manning... (Original Post) Luminous Animal Apr 2012 OP
Uhm, am I that far behind on this issue? Lionessa Apr 2012 #1
No he hasn't been convicted yet. Though, Obama has proclaimed his guilt. Luminous Animal Apr 2012 #2
Chance of acquittal = virtually zero. Angleae Apr 2012 #8
That's rather the problem, isn't it? sudopod Apr 2012 #3
If I remember correctly, the trial is being delayed by the defense, not the prosecution. Angleae Apr 2012 #7
That excuse has long since sailed. Luminous Animal Apr 2012 #9
K&R. nt OnyxCollie Apr 2012 #4
Kick. Luminous Animal Apr 2012 #5
Excellent article Laughing Mirror Apr 2012 #6
Bradley Manning broke the law. They should have fined him $1000 saras Apr 2012 #10
If Bush were still President, Manning would be a saint at DU kenny blankenship Apr 2012 #11
He is that now. Zax2me Apr 2012 #12
 

Lionessa

(3,894 posts)
1. Uhm, am I that far behind on this issue?
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 06:34 PM
Apr 2012

"...What he did was fundamentally radical, not reformist. He didn’t settle for working within a system explicitly designed to thwart the exposure of wrongdoing, through a chain of command that callously ignores concern for non-American life. Having access to evidence of grotesque crimes no one around him seemed to care about, he engaged in direct action, exposing them for the benefit of the world and those paying for them, the U.S. taxpayer. ..."

I didn't think he'd been legitimately convicted of anything yet, nor confessed. Am I wrong?

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
2. No he hasn't been convicted yet. Though, Obama has proclaimed his guilt.
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 06:38 PM
Apr 2012

Charles Davis (the author of the post) is indeed jumping the gun.

What do you think of Manning's chances of escaping conviction?

Angleae

(4,493 posts)
8. Chance of acquittal = virtually zero.
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 10:22 PM
Apr 2012

Military prosecutors are more anal-retentive about their conviction record than their civilian counterparts. They won't even file charges unless they have a slam-dunk or are forced to by their superiors.

sudopod

(5,019 posts)
3. That's rather the problem, isn't it?
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 06:39 PM
Apr 2012

If the case is open and shut, why deny him the right to a timely trial and, if appropriate, a conviction?

If there is no case, then how can they hold him?

Regardless of the above, why lock him up in solitary for the better part of a year and leak nasty innuendos about his personal life?

Laughing Mirror

(4,185 posts)
6. Excellent article
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 07:50 PM
Apr 2012

I doubt if many around here will be comfortable reading it, however. It's not what they want to hear.

 

saras

(6,670 posts)
10. Bradley Manning broke the law. They should have fined him $1000
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 10:41 PM
Apr 2012

and then spent all the rest of the money, time, and energy on prosecuting the orders-of-magnitude-larger criminals he exposed.

Fair's fair, after all. He DID break the law.

kenny blankenship

(15,689 posts)
11. If Bush were still President, Manning would be a saint at DU
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 10:44 PM
Apr 2012

a martyr to Bush's imperialist & racist war for world domination and his fascist subversion of the American republic.

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