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Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
Fri Aug 22, 2014, 04:07 PM Aug 2014

The Ferguson Challenge to the Libertarians

Many people are pointing to the police violence unfolding in Ferguson, Missouri as part of a “libertarian moment.” Dave Weigel of Slate writes “Liberals are up in arms about police militarization. Libertarians are saying: What took you so long?” Tim Carney of the Washington Examiner notes that the events in Ferguson bolster the claim that we are experiencing a libertarian moment because “libertarianism’s warnings today ring truer than ever.”

It will be a great thing if the horror of what is going on builds a broader coalition for putting the excess of the carceral state in check. But I also think that Ferguson presents a problem for libertarian theory about this situation in particular and the state in general. Their argument is a public choice-like story in which the federal government is the main villain. But this will only tell a partial story, and probably not even the most important one. And, as the deeper story of the town is told, the disturbing economics of the city look similar to what the right thinks is the ideal state. Let’s take these in turn.

Bottom-Up Militarization

People on the right are telling a story where the problems of the police are primarily driven by the federal government. As Rand Paul said: “Not surprisingly, big government has been at the heart of the problem.” Big government here is strictly a federal phenomenon though, one where “Washington has incentivized the militarization of local police precincts.” Paul Ryan’s comment on Ferguson is telling: "But in all of these things, local control, local government, local authorities who have the jurisdiction, who have the expertise, who are actually there are the people who should be in the lead." (h/t Digby) The culprits in these criticisms are usually programs, accelerated after the start of the War on Terror, that give military surplus to local police.

But rather than just a top-down phenomenon of centralized, federal bureaucrats, the police violence we see is just as much a bottom-up, locally-driven affair. “Militarized” police equipment didn’t shoot Michael Brown, or kill Eric Garner in a chokehold. And aggressive police reactions to protests haven’t required extensive military equipment over the past 40 years.

http://www.nextnewdeal.net/rortybomb/ferguson-challenge-libertarians


I'm scratching my head as well on how libertarians are trying to make this "their" movement, as if they ever gave a shit about the black community before...But then I remember how they tried to take over OWS and claim it as their own, as well...

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The Ferguson Challenge to the Libertarians (Original Post) Blue_Tires Aug 2014 OP
Not to you Blue but -- Oh bulls#!t underpants Aug 2014 #1
The only hope for justice in Feguson brer cat Aug 2014 #2
Thank you for posting this very well-written piece. Michael Brown was not killed VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #3
Seriously. The RW will twist *anything* to their own purposes. Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2014 #4
They (Libertarians) are weird birds, almost like they don't fit neatly on VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #5
Of course. They only want a Libertarian experience where they can benefit from all the Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2014 #6

underpants

(182,826 posts)
1. Not to you Blue but -- Oh bulls#!t
Fri Aug 22, 2014, 04:19 PM
Aug 2014

The Libertarians are the vanguard against over zealous cops??? BS. Liberals were the ones to pushed for (and get) professionalized police forces. Getting pulled over and having their heads kicked in by Deputy cousin Bubba or the guy who threw the big touchdown pass back in high school needed to be changed and it was. And that goes back 50 years at least.

brer cat

(24,575 posts)
2. The only hope for justice in Feguson
Fri Aug 22, 2014, 04:30 PM
Aug 2014

is a Federal response. The locals who were in charge caused the problems to begin with and they will never clean up themselves. Ryan is full of BS as usual.

 

VanGoghRocks

(621 posts)
3. Thank you for posting this very well-written piece. Michael Brown was not killed
Fri Aug 22, 2014, 04:30 PM
Aug 2014

by 'big government' and no amount of right-wing bloviating can make that true.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
4. Seriously. The RW will twist *anything* to their own purposes.
Fri Aug 22, 2014, 05:05 PM
Aug 2014

And yes, I consider Libertarians part of the Right Wing.

 

VanGoghRocks

(621 posts)
5. They (Libertarians) are weird birds, almost like they don't fit neatly on
Fri Aug 22, 2014, 05:19 PM
Aug 2014

the left-right spectrum. That they're also crazy does not negate my previous statement. I always tell any I encounter that he or she should relocate to Somalia if a true libertarian experience is desired. That usually shuts up their incessant nattering until I can make my exit.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
6. Of course. They only want a Libertarian experience where they can benefit from all the
Fri Aug 22, 2014, 05:26 PM
Aug 2014

non-libertarian goodies society has provided.

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