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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNYT: Where Are the National Democrats on Ferguson?
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/23/upshot/where-are-the-national-democrats-on-ferguson.htmlWhy not? African-Americans are a hugely important Democratic Party constituency. Gallup data suggests 22 percent of self-identified Democrats are black. Exit polls showed black voters made up one-third of North Carolina primary voters in 2008 and a majority in South Carolina. If there were an incident of similar salience to a group that made up such a large share of the Republican base, you can bet a number of Republican politicians would be lining up to associate themselves with the protesters.
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Democrats also havent had to fear that not taking up this issue will cost them black votes. Up until the last few months, there really hasnt been any serious competition for the black vote on a policy level, said Jeff Smith, a white Democrat who represented a racially mixed St. Louis district in the Missouri State Senate from 2006 to 2009. Even with Senator Rand Paul taking up the issues of over-incarceration and the drug war, Republicans remain too far from the median black voter on a swath of issues from economics to voter ID to make a serious general election play.
So there is a good general election logic for Democrats to give short shrift to the issues raised in Ferguson. But if the Tea Party has taught us anything, its that a base can force its party to take stances that wont be popular in a general election. Black voters, and other Democratic voters who care about issues of policing and racial justice, dont have to flex their political muscle by being willing to leave the party. If these issues are of importance to much of the electorate and this months protests suggest they are then a politician should be able to build a credible Democratic primary campaign by focusing on them.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)in their world. Who here seriously believed that all those grand speeches about caring for people was anything more than a sick lie to sucker us out of our votes?
The only reason we're allowed to vote is because we won't complain so readily about the chains we put on ourselves.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)They don't want to make it about them. The state has a Democratic Governor and Senators. I think they are better off staying out of it.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)Raw emotions and assumptions only breed chaos.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)and any sensible politician would wait before commenting in definitive. Most will say something in the middle even if they do comment, like "We feel for the community and want to see the process work so justice can prevail" they won't even say what that justice may be. I am not surprised by the silence at all.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)But we saw the reason even here: there is a predominant white, middle class response to Ferguson, and it is not good. The DNC figures that African Americans have no where else to go, so hold tight to the soft racism of the white middle class.
It's worked for years, so keep on.
It's disgusting beyond description.
VanGoghRocks
(621 posts)Communist press, both here and globally, has been almost uniform in its strident condemnation of the St. Louis-vicinity death squads' and mobile goon squads' attacks upon the people.
That's hardly surprising, given that the Communist and Socialist parties were several decades ahead of bourgeois Western liberals in their condemnation of South African apartheid and other such race- and class-based issues.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,414 posts)I don't deny that there are lots of issues in play here and it appears that the police force has a lot of issues that need to be addressed, as well as the use of excessive (and militarized) force against peaceful protesters but the place is already in turmoil and the matter is being looked into by a Grand Jury. Plus, Holder/DOJ is involved with its own investigation. It's probably best to let investigations proceed to whatever conclusion they may come to first before potentially throwing more fuel on the fire by commenting on it politically. It would just be another distraction on top of all of the other distractions that Fox and right-wing media are trying to push to cover up what is going on with the Ferguson PD.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Do I have that right?
Maybe no one want to criticize intra-party.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)A Dem stronghold!
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)But I know the gov is D and Miss Claire.
Care to check out the Furgeson council? Nervous?
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Oh, you're one of those.
In any case, you must have missed my post above where I called the national Dems disgusting for their response to this.
Calling Missouri a Dem stronghold displays a considerable ignorance of the political landscape. The Missouri State House and Senate are both dominated by Republicans; its House delegation in the US House of Representative has 6 Republicans to 2 Democrats. Missouri sent its electoral votes to John McCain and Mitt Romney.
Get a clue.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Considerable ingnorance is what I admitted.
Jump off that pedestal and edjumicate yourself some more. It's not exactly as titled as you demand.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Is dem. looks like the city council is mixed to say the least.
Can I help you off the floor?
treestar
(82,383 posts)to what Democrats have said.
The media doesn't pay attention when Democrats say something and then people like this claim they said nothing. When are they going to get it about the corporate media and start blaming that instead of the Democrats? It's like they are piling on to help the Republicans get even more of the attention.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)1. Sanders in a Letter to the NY Times
LOTS OF SPACE HERE....
2. O'Malley in a statement at a Democratic picnic
A big chunk of space here...
3. Warren - a tweet.
Not much space here...
4. Clinton - nada yet.
5. Biden - nada yet.
6. Cuomo - nada yet.
7. Schweitzer - nada yet.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)for their own political gain?
Oh, I get it. Elected Dems are supposed to voice their opinions on the MANY issues going on in Ferguson
but not every town where there is turmoil?
Even though the investigations (plural as it's state and federal) are going on?
One wonders why the NYTimes can post this crap and yet they can't bother TO ASK DEMOCRATS about any of the various issues.
And thanks to other DU'ers it's been pointed out that Dems HAVE spoken on the issues but the pathetic NYTimes apparently can't be bothered to actually find that out and report on it.
It's been explained why Obama has to be very circumspect.
Other elected Dems also have to deal with the hostile press and republican jerks just waiting to paint them "soft on crime".
former9thward
(32,019 posts)The federal investigation in the Trayvon Martin matter is still going on years later. Nobody would ever say anything about anything if waiting on investigations was a factor.
Stellar
(5,644 posts)fredamae
(4,458 posts)Who passed these laws upon the urging of LEO's in the first place? Who voted for the Patriot Act under BushCo? Who voted to Renew Pat Act/NDAA/FISA etc and use Our tax dollars to Refund it - over and over again? Who extended Sentencing? Who voted to create New laws to make felons out of people for crap that used to be considered "Public Nuisance"?
Who "ok'd" funding for the 1033 programs?
Both parties voted for All of this.
We Said NO, over and over during the past 30+ Years and we were/are ignored.
What Can they say?
The Buck Stops in Every State Legislature, Governor and Congress and POTUS' desk since Reagan who voted "YEA" and Signed said bills into law. Period.
They Broke it-they must fix it. I suspect they find themselves in a corner - No matter what they do-will they fear appearing Incompetent? Stupid? Or Liars?-when "they" told us This was for OUR "protection"?
The Noble ones will come out-admit the cumulative Errors and include constituencies in the Solutions. How many do you think are willing to "forget about politics" and do That?
frylock
(34,825 posts)while the Democrats sit on their collective nuts and wonder why voter enthusiasm is waning.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Or possibly waiting for the focus group analyses to come in.
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)Profiles in courage.
malthaussen
(17,202 posts)The impression I've gotten is that even the most progressive of the lot are primarily concerned about income inequality and the consequences of lopsided wealth distribution to growth, not civil rights. Economic justice, not social.
-- Mal