White Opinions Bingo, Ferguson Edition

[KamaAina]

[Laelth]

1. k&r for exposure. n/t

-Laelth

[KamaAina]

3. What's the matter?

Afraid to talk about race?

[Erose999]

4. "Black on black crime". But you never hear anyone say "white-on-white" crime.

[KamaAina]

9. Enjoy your stay.

[arcane1]

12. Ever notice how these fools always omit the fact that it was a cop, a government employee?

"No, they're just rioting because it was a white guy"

[malaise]

27. Enjoy your stay n/t

[arcane1]

29. That's because white people only riot when their team wins the championship.

Welcome back!

[pintobean]

30. cuckoo

[Gormy Cuss]

38. It's so rare that lowlife white criminals are shot by cops these days.

And you're naive if you think that white subgroups, when repressed, haven't rioted against excessive force by cops.



And FWIW, no lowlife criminal was shot by a cop in Ferguson recently.

[alcibiades_mystery]

46. No, just when they're convicted and sentenced

http://articles.mcall.com/1992-06-24/news/2850166_1_john-gotti-judge-i-leo-glasser-salvatore-sammy-bull-gravano

Mob kingpin John Gotti was sentenced yesterday to life in prison, sparking a pro-Gotti protest outside the courthouse that turned ugly when the crowd battled police and flipped over a federal marshal's car.

But outside the Brooklyn courthouse, his supporters chanted "Justice for John" and waved American flags. Storming the glass courthouse doors, they pelted police with wood ripped from barricades, leaving at least two officers bloody and bruised. Seven people were arrested. The crowd ballooned to almost 1,000 with the arrival of seven chartered buses from New Jersey, Queens and the Bronx.

[AverageJoe90]

72. That's true, sadly.

And, honestly, it doesn't make any real sense anyway.

[Hoyt]

94. Yep. 85% of white homicides are by whites.

[Gothmog]

5. This is great

[Enrique]

6. Bingo cards have letters at the top

just saying...

[bullwinkle428]

7. Dove-tails perfectly with the "10 types of trolls" thread.

K&R!

[me b zola]

11. K&R

[seveneyes]

13. B 52

[KamaAina]

14. Silly seveneyes.

B is 1 to 15. 46 to 60 is G.

[Treant]

15. We All Need To Come Together

This one I kind of agree with--we need to come together, stand with and in Ferguson if we can, and protest the acceleration of the police state. Often. Everywhere.

[gordianot]

16. Thanks I intend to run that off on card stock for this weekend.

I do come close to the card "I don't believe in race." in my case it is a cynical comment about the universal deplorable state of the human condition.

[KamaAina]

17. B-I-N,G,O

and Bingo was his name-o!

[ZombieHorde]

50. Scientifically speaking, we are all one race,

but socially speaking, we perceive many races. Identities are socially/rhetorically manufactured, and not usually by the people who adhere to the identity. Our identities were opposed on us, and these identities divide us. Identity is one of the most useful tools for propaganda.

So saying there is only one human race is scientifically accurate, but socially inaccurate.

[gordianot]

57. I agree, race in the social context does count.

[Trust Buster]

18. This thread achieves two things IMO.

1) It paints "white" people with a broad brush while telling white people not to judge minorities with that same broad brush.

2) It is posted on a site where, based on my observations, the majority of posters have declared the officer a "murderer" and a "monster" before the evidence has been given the time to be properly vetted. I think that's quite hypocritical.

[KamaAina]

19. Type 2 of "The 10 Kinds of Trolls You Will Encounter When Talking About Mike Brown"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025416337

The "Wait for Evidence" Troll
This troll may or may not be anonymous and pretends to be focused on respecting and upholding the law. "We don't know what happened yet," they say, "wait for evidence before you lambast an officer of the law." They pretend that things like racism, police brutality, police corruption, etc. don't exist and insist that if concrete evidence is released, they will be swayed to feel "sympathy" for Mike Brown. But they won't. When evidence arises, they find objection to its relevance or veracity. They then transform into The "Mike Brown Shouldn't Have " Troll, to follow.

[KittyWampus]

20. you intentionally started a thread with an insulting title. Instead of "racist" you choose "white"

Your thread was alerted on and I voted to HIDE IT.

You could change the thread title, let's see if you do.

It's a shame the OP was allowed to stand.

The bingo card is fine. Your thread title sucks.

[AverageJoe90]

82. I have to agree.

I know such wasn't intentional, but it IS problematic, partly due to the problems this site has had with controversy this past year, year and a half or so.

[KamaAina]

87. It was not my thread title

it was the blogger's.

[Trust Buster]

22. The concept of due process represents the foundation of our legal system.

I argued with the Right that, despite what they thought of Bergdahl, he was entitled to his right of due process. I'll bet a lot of posters on here agreed with my opinion of the Bergdahl situation.

[rbrnmw]

31. being that Bergdahl shot nobody one has nothing to do with the other

However the cop will get due process once he is arrested. All anyone is asking for is that he be arrested so he can have his due process.

[Trust Buster]

37. Due process must be followed to determine if an arrest should be made to begin with.

The Right claimed that Bergdahl search teams lead to American deaths. I rejected that and stood with due process. I will not flip flop with the political winds on a concept I hold dear.

[Jappleseed]

47. As a due process supporter do you reject lethal force?

I mean we all get due process right?

[Trust Buster]

54. No, I do not reject lethal force when it's used properly. An officer has a reasonable expectation to

....see his wife and children again. As long as that lethal force is justified. That is what the investigations seek to determine in this case.

[Jappleseed]

61. And that is the crux of the whole concerned troll or wait for all the evidence troll.

Should you not be the one screaming the loudest about the loss of due process for the unarmed person?

[Trust Buster]

69. Calling one a troll is not proper debating behavior.

We cannot address due process for the victim until the investigations are complete and the facts are known. Michael Brown's due process and the officers due process are intertwined. One cannot be achieved any faster than the other. You label me a troll while your logic is questionable. Just saying.

[Jappleseed]

70. Didn't call you a troll. Just explaining the thought process behind why they are called trolls.

Why can you not address the victims due process? It has already been denied him, he was unarmed.

Why does his due process have to wait? Why is it not deserving of it's own consideration. Why must it be subservient to the white cops? Why shed indignant alligator tears over what a discussion board says about a murderer? Then turn around and make excuse after excuse for denying the young man his real due process?

[nomorenomore08]

91. You almost seem to be assuming from the outset that Brown's killing was justified.

Given the long history of corrupt and racist policing in this country, I don't see how you can be so confident.

[Trust Buster]

92. You must be thinking of someone else.

I have stated consistently that a rush to judgement is not appropriate. I have not made any claims of innocent or guilt. Too many unknowns.

[treestar]

78. Why is that being a troll?

And it does not mean you deny police brutality or anything else. It means you want to know the evidence and not jump to conclusions. Geez.

[rbrnmw]

24. at least 8 shots shot at an unarmed person

Tells me all I need to know about this LEO's guilt.
Exactly how is anything in the OP painting white folks with a broad brush?

If the shoe fits wear it.

[Trust Buster]

28. For starters, your "at least 8 shots" meme has not been established.

[rbrnmw]

34. OK 6 to be fair either way it was excessive force.

[1StrongBlackMan]

44. You forgot to include the requisite ...

#NotAllWhitePeople statement after your first observation.

[AverageJoe90]

74. I don't think that was the intention.....

But yes, these bingo cards are usually posted more for personal satisfaction(letting steam off, etc.) than to make any real point. And, to be truthful, this seems to have been the case here as well. (though, to be truthful, I don't believe the shooting was justified. Mike wasn't armed, for one......)

[gollygee]

21. This thread achieves two things IMO

1. Provides apt political commentary

2. Draws in trolls

[Trust Buster]

25. Pointing out that this thread paints all white people with a broad brush is not trolling.

Here in Ohio, we refer to it as common sense.

[gollygee]

32. You speak for the whole state?

Ohio isn't a racial utopia.

[KittyWampus]

35. are you white? do you share the opinions on the bingo card?

I am white and I sure as hell don't.

But it's nice how you happily give the OP'er a break for speaking for the entire white race and their opinions.

[gollygee]

51. I am white

and I don't say the stuff on the card, so it doesn't offend me. I don't know why anyone who doesn't do that would be offended by it. I have sure seem and heard enough white people saying those things to see the truth in it though.

[Trust Buster]

39. Now that's trolling....LOL

[rbrnmw]

40. no they don't speak for me I also am from Ohio

[Anansi1171]

81. ...

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[tenderfoot]

26. +1

[m-lekktor]

36. K and R .nt

[cbdo2007]

41. What the fuck? Is this DU still? Can't believe this is allowed here.

and even worse survived a jury. I wonder how long a "Black opinions bingo" thread would last?

[Gormy Cuss]

48. "Black Opinions Bingo" wouldn't last.

If you don't understand how the two are qualitatively different, buy a history book and start reading.

[cbdo2007]

49. Right...stereotyping all whites as racist baffoons is very helpful to race relations.

Which history book was that in exactly?

[gollygee]

53. Pointing out racism is helpful

Everything doesn't have to be presented in a way that feels good to white people. If it makes you uncomfortable, maybe that's an opportunity to learn something. Like the other post said, get a book on the history of racism in the US. I recommend Sundown Towns by Jim Loewen.

[cbdo2007]

56. Yep, party on DU. Let's all have a good laugh at the ignorant white people.

Geez, it's amazing how a big issue brings out the closet racists on both sides.

It isn't that I'm offended or uncomfortable with the subject matter, I just always thought DU was above that. Whatever happened to intelligent debate about issues, without making everything about skin color.

[Gormy Cuss]

55. Oh, anyone talking about civil rights would do.

Dominant groups aren't subject to the same negative consequences from stereotyping as nondominant groups.

[cbdo2007]

58. Racism and stereotyping toward ANY group, is hurtful to ALL groups.

[gollygee]

59. This bingo card is a critique of racism and a big fat mirror to put

in front of our faces. It isn't supposed to make us comfortable. When you're uncomfortable, you're being given an opportunity to learn.

And "makes me uncomfortable" does not = "racist."

[gollygee]

66. If Michael Brown had shot someone

would you want to wait weeks for "all the facts" before he was arrested and put in jail, or would you want him put in jail while "all the facts" are collected?

[Gormy Cuss]

60. Racism against the dominant group is practically nonexistent.

Bigotry and stereotyping can be expressed against dominant groups but racism is a tool of oppression.

The BINGO card is a compilation of some dumb things said by some white people. More than a few white people, actually. Some of them here.
What it doesn't say is All White People's Opinions.

[AverageJoe90]

77. "Racism against the dominant group is practically nonexistent." It may be rare, yes.

But on a personal level, racism does occasionally get levelled against white people. There is no denying that by any reasonable standard, and that IS a fact, too, by the way. But that's not my main point here, however.

Here's my main point.

What it doesn't say is All White People's Opinions.

And perhaps this was indeed not at all intended. But you know what? That's kinda what it sounds like. And the main reason for this is, over the past year or so, we have had so many problems with a few people turning this site into their own personal grievance soapbox, that a lot of people have grown tired of this kind of thing. And, yet, some folks just don't get that, still.

[AverageJoe90]

76. This, pretty much. nt

[Louisiana1976]

45. Excellent post. K&R

[calimary]

52. You forgot the "Continental Origin" square.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/14/steve-king-ferguson_n_5678677.html

[AverageJoe90]

71. Not exactly helpful, TBH.

BTW, yes, we do all need to come together. Is that really wrong to say?

[KamaAina]

73. Only if you actually mean it

and are not just mumbling it as boilerplate.

[AverageJoe90]

75. Well, I know I do.

And yes, I do get the frustration vis-a-vis conservative trolls trying to sweeten things up by trying to *sound* reasonable. But a lot of times, all these bingo cards do is just cause more problems than they help, even if that wasn't the intention.

[AnalystInParadise]

79. Can't wait for the people of color version

will it possess the same levels of baiting and demagoguery?

[KamaAina]

85. Likely, far worse.

[Crunchy Frog]

80. Wow! The Magistrate managed to get a post hidden.

There's some pretty effective shit stirring going on here.

I too disagree with the broadbrushing. Not all white people hold those views, and not all people who hold those views are white. (I wonder what Dinesh D'Souza is saying about these events.)

[LostInAnomie]

83. Nothing like racial bigotry pretending to be social commentary.

Disgusting.

[Nye Bevan]

84. I'm sure Martin Luther King would be very flattered to have his own square on that board.

Right next to the "thinly veiled racism" square, no less.

Nice.

[KamaAina]

86. He might well have been.

Since the square was meant to call out racists who quote him out of context.

[Nye Bevan]

88. So which MLK quote is racist when taken out of context?

Only I don't recall seeing any banners with MLK quotes being waved at KKK rallies.

[nomorenomore08]

89. Because "racist"="KKK." Racist ideas are not at all mainstream or commonly accepted.

[KamaAina]

93. No MLK quote is racist, obviously.

The act of quoting him out of context is (or can be).

[nomorenomore08]

90. Oh boo hoo we're being stereotyped!

That's just as bad as being murdered by the cops!

[Hoyt]

95. Don't believe it, check out right wingers on Discussionist.