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tblue37

(65,403 posts)
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 06:17 PM Aug 2014

"They both went for the gun!" (_Chicago_).

In the movie musical Chicago the “They both went for the gun!” scene/song shows how the defense can promote a clearly implausible scenario, but the press will run with it because it is sensational and sells well to an audience that wants to believe in the innocence of a killer whom they consider to be sympathetic.

This “They both went for the gun” claim (like the “He reached for his waistband,” “He had something in his hand,” “He charged the officer,” and “He moved aggressively toward the officer” claims), is typically used by cops who have killed unarmed black men, many of whom have been stopped without real cause other than DWB, WWB, or BWB (Driving while Black, Walking while Black, or Breathing while Black).

In fact, the sheer frequency with which these cops blow these particular colors of smoke up the collective rear end of the populace should be a good reason for always being suspicious of such claims. There just is not enough variety in the claims to make them seem plausible.

Are black men in general so extraordinarily suicidal that most of them—facing an armed antagonist whom they know to be frighteningly willing to kill them—are that much more likely than other human beings to commit precisely the sort of action that they have always heard being used by cops to explain why they had to shoot unarmed people, or attack them en masse and beat them to death?

I think the willingness of so many white people to accept these implausible yet endlessly repeated claims must stem from an inability to recognize that black men are not an alien species. All things being equal, living creatures, human beings included, will seek to survive, not to get themselves killed for no reason.

But somehow a lot of Americans seem to believe that black men are so violent and so self-destructively irrational that time after time after time, if they are stopped by a cop, even when they have not committed any crime (or when any crime they might have committed is so minor that they would face nothing more than a small fine or a few days in jail for it), they will deliberately do the very things they know will cause cops to kill them.

The fact that cops repeat these exact same excuses so often after killing a (usually unarmed) black man suggests that these claims are being unofficially “taught,” passed around as part of their culture, just as Stand Your Ground fanatics advise each other about what claims to make in order to get away with killing someone.

Since these claims are so typically made in in such highly suspicious circumstances, I believe the use of such a claim should automatically provoke suspicion that the cop is covering his rear end after having committed an unjustifiable homicide.

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rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
2. In Seattle John T. Williams was shot down because he didn't move fast enough.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 07:00 PM
Aug 2014

John was a Native American street person that loved carving. He often whittled while he walked. John couldn't hear well nor understand well, so when a police officer pointed a gun at him and demanded he drop the knife, John hesitated a little too long and was shot dead.

The Seattle taxpayers settled and paid the family 1.5 million dollars.

In many of these cases the victims are shot dead because they don't obey the officer, or make him mad.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
3. "I smelled marijuana"
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 07:29 PM
Aug 2014

"I heard a suspicious noise" ( to avoid obtaining search warrants), etc, etc, etc. Damn straight these lies are taught to cops. How do I know? A cop told me.

tblue37

(65,403 posts)
4. Yep, that one, too. But it is not one of the excuses used
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 11:57 PM
Aug 2014

for beating or shooting young black men, just for stopping and harassing them.

Once they have been stopped, if cops' stories are to be believed, virtually all unarmed black men decide to try to wrestle the cop's gun away, or punch the cop, or bum rush the cop, or at least take 2 or 3 aggressive steps toward the cop (with a "mean" look on their faces), or make an aggressive approach with something in their hands, or suddenly reach toward their waistband.

Apparently black men approached by cops *never* simply stand still and comply with instructions, or move calmly, quietly, and in a nonthreatening way, despite having been taught since childhood how they must behave to have *any* hope of surviving the encounter, and despite having heard all their lives about black men, including those they might have known, being beaten or shot to death by police for (allegedly) doing one or more of those things.

How amazing.

BuelahWitch

(9,083 posts)
6. I admit I rec'd it after only reading the second paragraph
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 01:10 AM
Aug 2014

I am glad to see a few people pointing out the absurdity of the claim that Michael Brown tried to charge a policeman who was shooting at him. And besides, I like the movie Chicago.

tblue37

(65,403 posts)
7. Yes--I keep going round and round and round about those claims.
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 01:24 AM
Aug 2014

They are repeated like a catechism.

When cops are beating up someone they are handcuffing (all too often an innocent bystander or a peaceful demonstrator), they chant, "Stop resisting," in a recitational monotone, when it is obvious that the person is not resisting at all.

Reporter Ryan Reilly (HuffPo) says that when he was arrested in a McDonald's a couple of nights ago, he put his hands behind his back and stood quietly to be handcuffed. The whole time he was cuffing him, the cop kept telling him to stop resisting, and he kept saying, "I'm not resisting." But the chant is so automatic to them now, that they keep pronouncing it all the time, even when there is clearly no reason to do so. It is obvious that they have been taught to say this, and just as obvious, from innumerable videos, that they are often saying it as they beat up a completely unresisting person.

I believe that the excuses for lethal force that I list in my OP are taught the same way, and since we can see that they trot the same excuses out every time, we need to start making a big noise about how doggoned implausible they are.

BuelahWitch

(9,083 posts)
9. And people in the media and social media just parrott it like it could really happen
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 01:32 AM
Aug 2014

"He was charging the officer!" The same officer who is shooting at him, who had likely hit him in the arm at least once while he was fleeing. Walking into the path of bullets happens in video games and movies, in real life you'd have to have a death wish.

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