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packman

(16,296 posts)
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 09:24 AM Aug 2014

Why isn't Furgenson a black-controlled community?

Why isn't the mayor/police chief/administrators black? Aren't any blacks running for these elected positions? Seems like a relatively easy remendy to elect a ticket of blacks for these key positions. Why did it get to this point?

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Why isn't Furgenson a black-controlled community? (Original Post) packman Aug 2014 OP
The black Senator (I can't remember her name) justiceischeap Aug 2014 #1
Early voting Skink Aug 2014 #8
People Are Not Organized erpowers Aug 2014 #2
Ahh- yes-makes sense packman Aug 2014 #12
12% voter turnout CanonRay Aug 2014 #3
and 6%(!) turnout in local elections... Blue_Tires Aug 2014 #10
Many possible reasons.. Tribalceltic Aug 2014 #4
24,000 arrest warrants in 2013 underpants Aug 2014 #11
NAILED IT. doxydad Aug 2014 #13
Warrants have far reaching consequences Tribalceltic Aug 2014 #15
Has to do with how elections are held there n2doc Aug 2014 #5
If you don't vote, you have no right to complain about the government you wind up with. badtoworse Aug 2014 #6
Wrong. Elected officials must represent all in their districts leftstreet Aug 2014 #19
They do that by definition, but not every candidate has the same priorities. badtoworse Aug 2014 #21
Because like other places in the country the National Democratic Party doesn't encourage bigdarryl Aug 2014 #7
Low voter turnout. HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #9
6 years ago: Wait times reach 4 to 6 hours in St. Louis area Generic Other Aug 2014 #16
Exactly! HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #18
80% of our registered voters in my state (WA) cast their vote Generic Other Aug 2014 #20
I think that's typical of a lot of cities gollygee Aug 2014 #14
Low voter turnout Gothmog Aug 2014 #17
My guess is that there's no interest among the black community TorchTheWitch Aug 2014 #22

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
1. The black Senator (I can't remember her name)
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 09:26 AM
Aug 2014

talked about this... the people that do work, can't take the time to vote and those that don't work don't vote because they don't see the reason.

Paraphrasing, of course. However, voter registration tables have been set-up during the protests and they are registering people and explaining why it's important to vote.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
2. People Are Not Organized
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 09:28 AM
Aug 2014

My guess is that people are not organized and do not vote. It may be that no one from either the Democratic Party or Republican Party s going into Ferguson and looking for black to run for office and encouraging them to run for office.

Another issue might be felonies. How many people in Ferguson cannot vote because they have a felony on their record?

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
12. Ahh- yes-makes sense
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 09:40 AM
Aug 2014

with that unbelievable 23k warrants for a population of 21k, what better way to suppress the vote. Give everyone in the area a arrest record and make them ineligible.

Tribalceltic

(1,000 posts)
4. Many possible reasons..
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 09:30 AM
Aug 2014

Age, many young people in this town
length of residency, not only as requirement, but a lack of knowledge of the system.

Employment, choose work or voting.

different hoops to jump through to get registered.

More African Americans arrested = more felony convictions (including "deals&quot
= loss of voting privileges

Intimidation

Tribalceltic

(1,000 posts)
15. Warrants have far reaching consequences
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 09:52 AM
Aug 2014

Whole families may not want to expose one member to arrest (doesn't matter if the warrant is for failure to appear, the family may avoid any chance to give information about themselves.

This is a side effect of poverty. I have seen people in FL avoid calling an ambulance because sometimes a deputy will show up with a defibrillator. And will often "run" id's through the "system".

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
5. Has to do with how elections are held there
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 09:33 AM
Aug 2014

Basically, they are held at very odd dates, when nothing else is going on, and have extremely low voter turnout as a result. Something like 6% of blacks voted in the last election. Hopefully that will change now.

 

badtoworse

(5,957 posts)
21. They do that by definition, but not every candidate has the same priorities.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 12:04 PM
Aug 2014

Those priorities are reflected in the candidates' platforms and people vote based on those platforms. I'd expect town residents to be sufficiently aware of the issues impacting the town to make an intelligent decision in the voting booth. If you didn't vote and don't like the way your town is being run, then I have no sympathy for you. Next time, get out and vote.

 

bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
7. Because like other places in the country the National Democratic Party doesn't encourage
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 09:33 AM
Aug 2014

These cities local leaders to get out the vote or register voters and they don't support them financially.They look at a state like Missouri and see it's mostly white and rural state and say the hell with it we can't win there anyway.They abandoned the Howard Dean 50 state strategy

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
9. Low voter turnout.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 09:35 AM
Aug 2014

Probably due to several reasons. Voter suppression, lack of party help gotv, lack of registration drives, convicted felon unable to register, transient population no longer living at same registered address, or even apathy.

IMO, their situation would improve dramatically if they took charge of their own community via the ballot box. Get some voter registrars in there. Get some lawyers in there to help restore voting rights and ensure there are adequate number of polling stations. Whatever help they need, lets see they get it.

In the mean time, it appears they need legal help with police brutality and trumped up charges. How about getting local field offices opened for DoJ and ACLU attorneys?

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
18. Exactly!
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 11:36 AM
Aug 2014

So what is being done? Have the Democrats been filing lawsuits to help the people vote? Where are the DoJ civil rights attorneys? Where's the ACLU? Hell, where's the League of Women Voters? Let's get those voter-suppression obstacles removed, and start registering voters. Help the people take charge of their community. That will solve A LOT of problems.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
20. 80% of our registered voters in my state (WA) cast their vote
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 11:49 AM
Aug 2014

100% by mail. That is how you run a fair election. Also, more registration. Only 65% of Washington's eligible voters have registered. Only 63% of eligible voters registered in Missouri. So GOTV is where the real votes are to be found.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/03/12/the-states-with-the-highest-and-lowest-turnout-in-2012-in-2-charts/

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
14. I think that's typical of a lot of cities
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 09:44 AM
Aug 2014

that historically have been all white but have shifted to have a large minority population. I don't know how their city council is set up but some cities make it so each neighborhood has one council member, which can limit the number of people of color on the city council. The same kind of racism behind gerrymandering can exist at the city level.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
22. My guess is that there's no interest among the black community
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 12:27 PM
Aug 2014

to run for these positions like the school board and stuff like that. But administrators, police chief and a host of other positions require a certain amount of education and experience. This is a poor community where most of the people are just struggling to get by. I don't imagine that there is much in the way of well educated financially comfortable people there... those people move to better neighborhoods. That's how poor communities like this get formed. The better off move to greener pastures while more and more of the poor and under educated move in until finally the community is so broken you get a lot of crime, drugs, run down properties and way too many people that have no interest in bettering their circumstances or for whatever reason just can't and some lash out in destructive ways.

This is just what happens when communities become run down to such a point. The only cure for the town itself is outside investment in the community. There's a town near me that we used to call the armpit of the country. Poor housing, poor people, lots of crime and drugs, most of the property both commercial (which there was precious little of) and residential was dilapidated falling apart ruins. Most of the community in the town were black and Latino. Then someone or some company or some developer decided to build a couple a nice office buildings in the center of town. Good companies took up the office spaces. Then a nice hotel sprouted and then more nice office buildings. Property amounts increased astronomically though the residential housing was still crap and unaffordable for the poor that lived there. Once the town was able to offer real opportunity because of the new office buildings and available jobs people bought out the housing - sometimes even a whole block of housing - and renovated it in some cases knocking the houses down and starting over. Prices sky rocketed. The poor in the community couldn't possibly afford to live there anymore so had to move to another poor community as run down as this one had been.

Now it's an expensive trendy town full of office buildings, trendy bars and stores, and I couldn't afford to live there for anything. Only in a few years the whole town went from the armpit of the country to an expensive nice neighborhood, and all that's left of that poor community is a single block right on the smelly as hell river that no one wanted to purchase for anything.

The poor community that used to live there were not lifted up, they were forced out. The businesses that opened didn't have jobs for the poor and under educated of the community and so those jobs were filled by the middle class educated that came from other towns.

A woman I used to work with rented a row home there for nearly 15 years and was a great tenant. Then one day the landlord told her he was TRIPLING the rent, and if she couldn't pay it she had something like 90 days to get out. All he did was paint the interior, slap some aluminum siding on the outside, trimmed the shrubs and right away he had a new tenant happy to get the place at triple the price.

This crap has been going on forever. The poor in the community aren't helped but forced out and have to move to another poor community. Ferguson sounds like one of those towns where investment in the community isn't happening and where the poor run out of other poor communities drifted to.

Communities either get nicer or worse and the poor just get shuffled off to cheaper places that end up becoming the next dilapidated poor and crime riddled neighborhood. Some day Ferguson might be invested in and built up and the poor community there will just get forced off to some other depressed town while Ferguson becomes the next bustling middle class expensive nice mostly white neighborhood full of people that came from some middle class elsewhere.

This country has never given shit one for the under middle class.

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