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Amazing! They are saying a prayer on TV now that God will end this situation... (Original Post) world wide wally Aug 2014 OP
COMPLETELY inappropriate… regnaD kciN Aug 2014 #1
Thank you. nt littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #3
I apologize if I offended you, but it is true. world wide wally Aug 2014 #5
Not your post... whttevrr Aug 2014 #7
You got it… regnaD kciN Aug 2014 #8
Thanks for clearing that up. I am not out to offend anyone with noble intentions. world wide wally Aug 2014 #9
I have no problem with this yeoman6987 Aug 2014 #16
Because religion is always a cheap fix ... starroute Aug 2014 #19
They have tried everything? Really? Thanks for the laugh! Rex Aug 2014 #32
The last group that can be yeoman6987 Aug 2014 #37
Have they tried just handing over the alleged murderer to the FBI? Rex Aug 2014 #39
I imagine they will after the yeoman6987 Aug 2014 #40
Why wait? Why not do it now? Rex Aug 2014 #41
Sure, the same way they "investigated" Michael Brown - TBF Aug 2014 #57
because it's silly. That's why it gets laughed at notadmblnd Aug 2014 #47
What. The. Fuck. kath Aug 2014 #2
Next we will have the laying on of hands to heal littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #4
Why not call in the Catholic priests and exercise the demons out of Ferguson? notadmblnd Aug 2014 #49
There is no Separation of Church and State in #Ferguson whttevrr Aug 2014 #6
Make believe sky daddy says WTF?!?! blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #10
Who is "They"? PADemD Aug 2014 #11
Because only a miracle will end it now? eShirl Aug 2014 #12
The Christen God is too busy doing facepalms. (Agghh..You can lead a horse to water...) BlueJazz Aug 2014 #13
So what? 85% of blacks in the US identify as christian. cbayer Aug 2014 #14
Because if there was a god wouldn't a better plan have been to have the officer's gun mis-fire? PoutrageFatigue Aug 2014 #26
Only if one is so extreme as to believe that there is a god that controls cbayer Aug 2014 #27
So what you're saying is... PoutrageFatigue Aug 2014 #28
How would I know what a god could or couldn't do if one existed? cbayer Aug 2014 #35
It is wildly inappropriate at a police presser... PoutrageFatigue Aug 2014 #43
Let me say this right up front - the OP did not indicate where this was happening. cbayer Aug 2014 #46
"Not everything needs to be scientifically proven to be....valid" - no but it helps to make it REAL. PoutrageFatigue Aug 2014 #48
No it doesn't necessarily make it REAL. cbayer Aug 2014 #52
No, I read the thread.... PoutrageFatigue Aug 2014 #53
I "admitted" no such thing. I said that there was no indication of where this took place. cbayer Aug 2014 #55
"Do you have anything to back that up"? PoutrageFatigue Aug 2014 #56
OK. cbayer Aug 2014 #59
+1,000 malaise Aug 2014 #15
What's going on down here... ReRe Aug 2014 #17
self righteous s.o.b.s. PowerToThePeople Aug 2014 #18
Don't hold yer breath. hifiguy Aug 2014 #20
Some protesters are praying. maced666 Aug 2014 #21
Don't pray for me, make me a sandwich NightWatcher Aug 2014 #22
The preachers and the community leaders last night did a better job than the police so today the jwirr Aug 2014 #23
No problem for prayers and good thoughts for the people there. NCTraveler Aug 2014 #24
Why did their Invisible Omnipotent Loving Being cause or not prevent all this in the first place? Arugula Latte Aug 2014 #25
Ah the age old question of why if God is Good and All Powerful do bad things happen? el_bryanto Aug 2014 #29
As in math, the simple explanation is usually the correct one. Arugula Latte Aug 2014 #64
Why do we have free will then? el_bryanto Aug 2014 #65
He doesn't seem inclined to do that because he doesn't exist. Arugula Latte Aug 2014 #66
I'm not suggesting there is evidence for God's existence el_bryanto Aug 2014 #67
Do you have a link? nt el_bryanto Aug 2014 #30
i am not sure why anyone would mock this, regardless of their own belief in god La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2014 #31
I completely agree. cwydro Aug 2014 #33
i guess the only thing i can think of is that the 'they' is not the black community La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2014 #34
Please god, guide our bullets to their targets and cause our teargas MindPilot Aug 2014 #36
Quoting from the Book of Armaments? PoutrageFatigue Aug 2014 #45
With apologies to Mark Twain... MindPilot Aug 2014 #50
Joshua Rex Aug 2014 #60
I know this is not meant to be funny Quayblue Aug 2014 #61
Yeah I guess just handing over the alleged murderer would cause more problems... Rex Aug 2014 #38
God should have edhopper Aug 2014 #42
I urge them to hold their breath while waiting for God to take care of it notadmblnd Aug 2014 #44
Be sure to check out... TeeYiYi Aug 2014 #51
Seriously, WTF?? PoutrageFatigue Aug 2014 #54
God's response (via Facebook): TBF Aug 2014 #58
As the OP of this thread, let me clarify what I meant by posting this. world wide wally Aug 2014 #62
How about God ChristianSocialist Aug 2014 #63

world wide wally

(21,744 posts)
5. I apologize if I offended you, but it is true.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:46 AM
Aug 2014

We as people DO have some power to help our circumstances. Pawning off our own ignorance on God just doesn't seem right.

whttevrr

(2,345 posts)
7. Not your post...
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:54 AM
Aug 2014

I do not think anyone is saying your post is inappropriate.

I think people are saying that it is inappropriate to start a police press announcement, after gassing hundreds of people, with a prayer.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
16. I have no problem with this
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 06:34 AM
Aug 2014

They have tried everything. This seems rather inexpensive consider all the alternatives they have tried. Good for this person.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
37. The last group that can be
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:12 PM
Aug 2014

Freely laughed at and get a way with it. Horrible to see progressives of all people disparaging a group.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
39. Have they tried just handing over the alleged murderer to the FBI?
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:14 PM
Aug 2014

I'll wait for your answer.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
41. Why wait? Why not do it now?
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:17 PM
Aug 2014

Don't you think they should interview him first? Nah...just pray this will all go away...the desperation is getting sad on their part.

TBF

(32,064 posts)
57. Sure, the same way they "investigated" Michael Brown -
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 04:01 PM
Aug 2014

oh wait, never mind. They made a split-second decision to gun down an unarmed black man rather than do any sort of investigation. My bad.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
47. because it's silly. That's why it gets laughed at
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:25 PM
Aug 2014

and you're wrong about the last group it's ok to laugh at. It's not believers, it's fat people. so just stop playing the persecuted Christian card.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
14. So what? 85% of blacks in the US identify as christian.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 06:08 AM
Aug 2014

During horrible times like these, there is nothing wrong with saying a prayer.

I personally don't believe it will help, but people need to be able to do what gives them hope and solace when all seems hopeless.

Why would we mock them?

 

PoutrageFatigue

(416 posts)
26. Because if there was a god wouldn't a better plan have been to have the officer's gun mis-fire?
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 02:08 PM
Aug 2014

You know...so that Michael Brown wasn't, you know, dead?

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
27. Only if one is so extreme as to believe that there is a god that controls
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 02:57 PM
Aug 2014

things like gunshots.

Let the people pray. Who does it harm?

 

PoutrageFatigue

(416 posts)
28. So what you're saying is...
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:01 PM
Aug 2014

...that god doesn't control everything? Or at least not fire-arms, but he can control whether there's peace or not in a community?

Then why call him god?

I don't think it harms anyone, but it certainly doesn't help anyone in any real fashion either...

And it is certainly inappropriate given the surroundings and the event, no?

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
35. How would I know what a god could or couldn't do if one existed?
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:11 PM
Aug 2014

If there is a god, he/it is like the elephant being touched by a dozen blind men. Each has a different experience and none of them are wrong.

People pray. So what. You can't say that it doesn't help anyone.

Religion was critical to the survival and perseverance of african americans during slavery and again during the civil rights movement.

Who are you or anyone else to dismiss what that meant to others?

There is nothing inappropriate about it.

 

PoutrageFatigue

(416 posts)
43. It is wildly inappropriate at a police presser...
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:21 PM
Aug 2014

...after they have been guilty of violating people's civil rights and gassing people for three or four nights....

Not just inappropriate but hypocritical!

"People pray. So what. You can't say that it doesn't help anyone." I dunno, a little scientific proof would be nice...

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
46. Let me say this right up front - the OP did not indicate where this was happening.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:24 PM
Aug 2014

It was my assumption that it was about people who were protesting, not by the police. If you actually saw this, then I will defer to you, but the information you are giving was not at all apparent in this thread.

No one needs scientific proof for prayer nor can you ask for it. If people want to pray and they feel it is helpful, who are you or I to tell them they shouldn't?

Not everything needs to be scientifically proven to be worthwhile or valid.

 

PoutrageFatigue

(416 posts)
48. "Not everything needs to be scientifically proven to be....valid" - no but it helps to make it REAL.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:27 PM
Aug 2014


"It was my assumption"....and there we have it....Perhaps read the thread first, then comment?

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
52. No it doesn't necessarily make it REAL.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:36 PM
Aug 2014

My feelings are real, but there is no scientific proof for them.

Being too chained to needing science is equally as problematic as being too chained to religion.

You can keep your condescending snark. I read the thread, did you? Do you have a link as to what this is actually about or are you just assuming that is was a police presser.

I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt up until you felt it necessary to make it personal.

 

PoutrageFatigue

(416 posts)
53. No, I read the thread....
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:56 PM
Aug 2014

You already admitted you didn't before posting....

I no longer get the benefit of your doubt? I'm CRUSHED.....

And no, needing science is not "equally problematic"...because it doesn't require belief or faith to exist....it just does...

Anyway...this is getting well off topic....

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
55. I "admitted" no such thing. I said that there was no indication of where this took place.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:59 PM
Aug 2014

People are jumping all over this with all kinds of assumptions about who was doing the praying. You yourself made such an assumption. Do you have anything to back that up.

If the victim's family is praying, would that be ok with you?

This is feeling oddly familiar……

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
17. What's going on down here...
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 06:47 AM
Aug 2014

... on earth in Ferguson, MO has nothing to do with God. God is NOT the answer to any of our problems, at any time, ever! I didn't see them say a prayer in the middle of the night at the end of their work day while ago, but I did hear them say a prayer yesterday afternoon before it all started. What is this? A theocracy? It's like I'm watching the 700 Club! Before we know it, they'll have Pat Robertson up there saying the prayer in front of the cameras before and after they tear gas everyone and point those damn guns at people.

Hey, here's an idea: let's arrest and book the agitators instead of tear gassing everyone. How 'bout that? Oh crap, don't get me started.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
23. The preachers and the community leaders last night did a better job than the police so today the
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 01:58 PM
Aug 2014

police are trying to act like they are part of that group. No you were not - you police were standing in a line with your big toys and gas masks and egging the protesters on and trying to cover up your actions by arresting and caging the press.

If you want to pray - pray for forgiveness for they things you have called these people and how you have treated them. Otherwise let the real preachers do the praying.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
29. Ah the age old question of why if God is Good and All Powerful do bad things happen?
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:06 PM
Aug 2014

Taken to it's logical extreme - bad things happen, so there is no God.

Bryant

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
64. As in math, the simple explanation is usually the correct one.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 11:23 PM
Aug 2014

There is no god. That is what makes sense. Otherwise you have to twist your thinking into pretzel logic to explain this asshole deity's actions.

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
~ Epicurus

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
65. Why do we have free will then?
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 08:19 AM
Aug 2014

The argument works better when you are talking about natural disasters. But we do have free will, which means that we sometimes do awful things to each other. God could take away our free will or he could prevent the consequences for our bad and evil actions from occurring (which is the same thing), but he doesn't seem inclined to do that.

Bryant

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
66. He doesn't seem inclined to do that because he doesn't exist.
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 11:47 AM
Aug 2014

Just because we are able to act as we choose doesn't mean there's some supernatural creature behind it all. I'm sorry, that's not evidence for its existence.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
67. I'm not suggesting there is evidence for God's existence
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 12:06 PM
Aug 2014

What I'm suggesting is that it's facile to pretend the problem of evil for those who do believe hasn't been grappled with.

Bryant

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
31. i am not sure why anyone would mock this, regardless of their own belief in god
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:06 PM
Aug 2014

i am an atheist, but obviously people do what they can to seek comfort during hard times and one of those comforts is religion.

why is this wrong or inappropriate?

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
34. i guess the only thing i can think of is that the 'they' is not the black community
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:10 PM
Aug 2014

but rather the people who have perpetuated this violence on the community.

its hard to tell from the OP as to who is doing the praying

 

MindPilot

(12,693 posts)
36. Please god, guide our bullets to their targets and cause our teargas
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:11 PM
Aug 2014

to sear the eyes and lungs of our enemies.

Please open the eyes of the press (after they stop bleeding) so that they might see the truth of Hero Patriot Wilson's strength. Give our officers the courage to sit behind a tripod-mounted machine gun in face of reporters and journalists.

We thank three for the opportunity to terrorize and intimidate your dark mistakes, and we pray for the day when we will be free, free of non-whites, free of all those who think they might be as good as your children.

We ask these things in your name so that your authority might be manifest in our brave police as they fearlessly do thine will with all that cool war gear.

Amen.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
60. Joshua
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 04:12 PM
Aug 2014

"When the trumpets sounded, the army shouted, and at the sound of the trumpet, when the men gave a loud shout, the wall collapsed; so everyone charged straight in, and they took the city. They devoted the city to the Lord and destroyed with the sword every living thing in it —men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys."

Quayblue

(1,045 posts)
61. I know this is not meant to be funny
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 04:19 PM
Aug 2014

but I am really crying laughing at this.

It must be the unrealness of this entire fucking situation. You gas, shoot and kettle people, then pray for them?!?! wtf.


 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
38. Yeah I guess just handing over the alleged murderer would cause more problems...
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:13 PM
Aug 2014

Wow...for these folks to be pulling out all the stops like this, tells me they are FUBARd after the FBI gets done looking the PD over. Just hand over the kid killer already...sorry Charlie but the situation is just BEGINNING.

With lots of lost jobs and some arrests me thinks.

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
51. Be sure to check out...
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:34 PM
Aug 2014

...the opening prayer at last night's 2 am press conference:


It's cringe worthy. Notice the looks on the faces of the media...

TYY

world wide wally

(21,744 posts)
62. As the OP of this thread, let me clarify what I meant by posting this.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 04:29 PM
Aug 2014

This was not intended to be for or against God and I was not mocking anything but the hypocrisy which Jesus wasn't very fond of either.

I just meant that this show of hypocritical righteousness is ludicrous when the solution lies easily within the grasp of the police offering the prayer at the press conference. They pray for God to come stop what is going on, but they will not take the simple step of arresting the probable murderer which would end it all.

Should I pray for God to go to work for me tomorrow or just get up and go myself?

63. How about God
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 05:29 PM
Aug 2014

is using this incident too call too our attention the rampant injustice throughout this Country and the world. Starting with illegal and unjustifiable wars, senseless deaths of soldiers, and innocents too the economic collapse, to bank bail-outs and bonus's, too massive job loss, too massive income inequality, too privatizing the publics wealth, too the Border crisis, too Gaza, too Facist-Monopolistic Oligarchy Capitalism that passes for a "free market" too our fed-up justice system whereupon murderers are pronounced "not guilty" (ie Casey Anthony, Zimmerman) or better yet, what I've dubbed " if your're rich/connected "you're innocent" verdict that passes for a "justice system".

America will not heal until those responsible for its collapse, war crimes, and crimes against humanity are brought to Justice. Hint: Bush, Cheney et al.

"Blessed are those who seek Justice for their's is the Kingdom of heaven"

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