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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAmazing! They are saying a prayer on TV now that God will end this situation...
and I can almost hear God saying back to them . Just arrest the prick already! and it will cease
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)
and I say that as a Christian cleric.
littlemissmartypants
(22,691 posts)world wide wally
(21,744 posts)We as people DO have some power to help our circumstances. Pawning off our own ignorance on God just doesn't seem right.
whttevrr
(2,345 posts)I do not think anyone is saying your post is inappropriate.
I think people are saying that it is inappropriate to start a police press announcement, after gassing hundreds of people, with a prayer.
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)world wide wally
(21,744 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)They have tried everything. This seems rather inexpensive consider all the alternatives they have tried. Good for this person.
starroute
(12,977 posts)What better reason?
Rex
(65,616 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Freely laughed at and get a way with it. Horrible to see progressives of all people disparaging a group.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I'll wait for your answer.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Investigation is done.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Don't you think they should interview him first? Nah...just pray this will all go away...the desperation is getting sad on their part.
TBF
(32,064 posts)oh wait, never mind. They made a split-second decision to gun down an unarmed black man rather than do any sort of investigation. My bad.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)and you're wrong about the last group it's ok to laugh at. It's not believers, it's fat people. so just stop playing the persecuted Christian card.
kath
(10,565 posts)How totally inappropriate
littlemissmartypants
(22,691 posts)The popo. Right before they shoot us all.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Surely they're possessed.
whttevrr
(2,345 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)PADemD
(4,482 posts)eShirl
(18,494 posts)It says to me they've given up hope.
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)cbayer
(146,218 posts)During horrible times like these, there is nothing wrong with saying a prayer.
I personally don't believe it will help, but people need to be able to do what gives them hope and solace when all seems hopeless.
Why would we mock them?
PoutrageFatigue
(416 posts)You know...so that Michael Brown wasn't, you know, dead?
cbayer
(146,218 posts)things like gunshots.
Let the people pray. Who does it harm?
PoutrageFatigue
(416 posts)...that god doesn't control everything? Or at least not fire-arms, but he can control whether there's peace or not in a community?
Then why call him god?
I don't think it harms anyone, but it certainly doesn't help anyone in any real fashion either...
And it is certainly inappropriate given the surroundings and the event, no?
cbayer
(146,218 posts)If there is a god, he/it is like the elephant being touched by a dozen blind men. Each has a different experience and none of them are wrong.
People pray. So what. You can't say that it doesn't help anyone.
Religion was critical to the survival and perseverance of african americans during slavery and again during the civil rights movement.
Who are you or anyone else to dismiss what that meant to others?
There is nothing inappropriate about it.
PoutrageFatigue
(416 posts)...after they have been guilty of violating people's civil rights and gassing people for three or four nights....
Not just inappropriate but hypocritical!
"People pray. So what. You can't say that it doesn't help anyone." I dunno, a little scientific proof would be nice...
cbayer
(146,218 posts)It was my assumption that it was about people who were protesting, not by the police. If you actually saw this, then I will defer to you, but the information you are giving was not at all apparent in this thread.
No one needs scientific proof for prayer nor can you ask for it. If people want to pray and they feel it is helpful, who are you or I to tell them they shouldn't?
Not everything needs to be scientifically proven to be worthwhile or valid.
PoutrageFatigue
(416 posts)"It was my assumption"....and there we have it....Perhaps read the thread first, then comment?
cbayer
(146,218 posts)My feelings are real, but there is no scientific proof for them.
Being too chained to needing science is equally as problematic as being too chained to religion.
You can keep your condescending snark. I read the thread, did you? Do you have a link as to what this is actually about or are you just assuming that is was a police presser.
I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt up until you felt it necessary to make it personal.
PoutrageFatigue
(416 posts)You already admitted you didn't before posting....
I no longer get the benefit of your doubt? I'm CRUSHED.....
And no, needing science is not "equally problematic"...because it doesn't require belief or faith to exist....it just does...
Anyway...this is getting well off topic....
cbayer
(146,218 posts)People are jumping all over this with all kinds of assumptions about who was doing the praying. You yourself made such an assumption. Do you have anything to back that up.
If the victim's family is praying, would that be ok with you?
This is feeling oddly familiar
PoutrageFatigue
(416 posts)READ.THE.THREAD.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)malaise
(269,038 posts)Stop the praying and organize.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... on earth in Ferguson, MO has nothing to do with God. God is NOT the answer to any of our problems, at any time, ever! I didn't see them say a prayer in the middle of the night at the end of their work day while ago, but I did hear them say a prayer yesterday afternoon before it all started. What is this? A theocracy? It's like I'm watching the 700 Club! Before we know it, they'll have Pat Robertson up there saying the prayer in front of the cameras before and after they tear gas everyone and point those damn guns at people.
Hey, here's an idea: let's arrest and book the agitators instead of tear gassing everyone. How 'bout that? Oh crap, don't get me started.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)No, saying blah blah blah to the ether does not make you better than anyone else.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)maced666
(771 posts)I see no need to mock them.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)police are trying to act like they are part of that group. No you were not - you police were standing in a line with your big toys and gas masks and egging the protesters on and trying to cover up your actions by arresting and caging the press.
If you want to pray - pray for forgiveness for they things you have called these people and how you have treated them. Otherwise let the real preachers do the praying.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Amazing the things some can oppose.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Taken to it's logical extreme - bad things happen, so there is no God.
Bryant
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)There is no god. That is what makes sense. Otherwise you have to twist your thinking into pretzel logic to explain this asshole deity's actions.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? ~ Epicurus
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)The argument works better when you are talking about natural disasters. But we do have free will, which means that we sometimes do awful things to each other. God could take away our free will or he could prevent the consequences for our bad and evil actions from occurring (which is the same thing), but he doesn't seem inclined to do that.
Bryant
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Just because we are able to act as we choose doesn't mean there's some supernatural creature behind it all. I'm sorry, that's not evidence for its existence.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)What I'm suggesting is that it's facile to pretend the problem of evil for those who do believe hasn't been grappled with.
Bryant
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)i am an atheist, but obviously people do what they can to seek comfort during hard times and one of those comforts is religion.
why is this wrong or inappropriate?
cwydro
(51,308 posts)The church is a big part of many communities.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)but rather the people who have perpetuated this violence on the community.
its hard to tell from the OP as to who is doing the praying
MindPilot
(12,693 posts)to sear the eyes and lungs of our enemies.
Please open the eyes of the press (after they stop bleeding) so that they might see the truth of Hero Patriot Wilson's strength. Give our officers the courage to sit behind a tripod-mounted machine gun in face of reporters and journalists.
We thank three for the opportunity to terrorize and intimidate your dark mistakes, and we pray for the day when we will be free, free of non-whites, free of all those who think they might be as good as your children.
We ask these things in your name so that your authority might be manifest in our brave police as they fearlessly do thine will with all that cool war gear.
Amen.
PoutrageFatigue
(416 posts)Bless this thy Holy Hand Grenade....
MindPilot
(12,693 posts)kinda more like cribbed from The War Prayer
"When the trumpets sounded, the army shouted, and at the sound of the trumpet, when the men gave a loud shout, the wall collapsed; so everyone charged straight in, and they took the city. They devoted the city to the Lord and destroyed with the sword every living thing in it men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys."
Quayblue
(1,045 posts)but I am really crying laughing at this.
It must be the unrealness of this entire fucking situation. You gas, shoot and kettle people, then pray for them?!?! wtf.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Wow...for these folks to be pulling out all the stops like this, tells me they are FUBARd after the FBI gets done looking the PD over. Just hand over the kid killer already...sorry Charlie but the situation is just BEGINNING.
With lots of lost jobs and some arrests me thinks.
edhopper
(33,584 posts)stopped Brown from being shot in the first place.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)No cheating now.
TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)...the opening prayer at last night's 2 am press conference:
It's cringe worthy. Notice the looks on the faces of the media...
TYY
PoutrageFatigue
(416 posts)That is just bizarre....
TBF
(32,064 posts)world wide wally
(21,744 posts)This was not intended to be for or against God and I was not mocking anything but the hypocrisy which Jesus wasn't very fond of either.
I just meant that this show of hypocritical righteousness is ludicrous when the solution lies easily within the grasp of the police offering the prayer at the press conference. They pray for God to come stop what is going on, but they will not take the simple step of arresting the probable murderer which would end it all.
Should I pray for God to go to work for me tomorrow or just get up and go myself?
ChristianSocialist
(11 posts)is using this incident too call too our attention the rampant injustice throughout this Country and the world. Starting with illegal and unjustifiable wars, senseless deaths of soldiers, and innocents too the economic collapse, to bank bail-outs and bonus's, too massive job loss, too massive income inequality, too privatizing the publics wealth, too the Border crisis, too Gaza, too Facist-Monopolistic Oligarchy Capitalism that passes for a "free market" too our fed-up justice system whereupon murderers are pronounced "not guilty" (ie Casey Anthony, Zimmerman) or better yet, what I've dubbed " if your're rich/connected "you're innocent" verdict that passes for a "justice system".
America will not heal until those responsible for its collapse, war crimes, and crimes against humanity are brought to Justice. Hint: Bush, Cheney et al.
"Blessed are those who seek Justice for their's is the Kingdom of heaven"