CNN (I know!) is reporting a SOURCE told them Brown punched Wilson and grabbed his gun.

[Avalux]

So now we have an unnamed SOURCE providing Wilson's account of what happened. Not a witness, just someone who claims to have talked to Wilson.

Here's what I got from the report:

Wilson heard about the presumed robbery over the police radio. He then saw Brown, and noticed he was carrying cigarillos. Wilson got out of his car to talk to Brown, who became belligerent.

It was not clear to me if Brown was ever inside of Wilson's vehicle, but the SOURCE stated that Brown grabbed for Wilson's gun and then punched Wilson in the face. After that he ran away and yelled at Wilson "you won't shoot me". Then he bum-rushed Wilson like a maniac and Wilson had no choice but to shoot him.

Got that? Wilson had no choice.

[derby378]

1. Just ask the blind man, he saw it all

Through the hole in the barbed-wire fence!

[Avalux]

7. while wearing earplugs. n/t

[logosoco]

39. I know this is off topic

but thank you for making me laugh!

Too much time close to tears these days, but this comment really did make me LOL!

If we don't laugh we will go insane!

[derby378]

40. I hear you - sometimes you've gotta laugh to keep from crying

And you're welcome.

[agbdf]

2. If true, it destroys the narrative many are pushing - but we just don't know yet.

We won't know anything until we have all of the facts.

[HangOnKids]

13. What narrative Jerry?

The idea that a black man got murdered by a cop? Heavens who would think such a thing?

[agbdf]

21. Let's wait for the inquiry to be complete

Local officials as well as the Department of Justice will review this matter. I'm willing to wait until their findings are made public before I judge this case.

It serves no useful purpose to inflame an already highly emotional and tragic event simply because it fits ones ideological desire to do so.

[HangOnKids]

26. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Next?

[agbdf]

27. It seems a better alternative to the summary, piecemeal inquiry and conclusions you have made.

[HangOnKids]

29. HAHAHAHAHA

You are just so fucking funny!!!!!!!!

[agbdf]

37. Sorry to be the one to tell you but...

your revolution has once again been canceled due to a general lack of interest and participation. Cooler heads are prevailing and I have faith in our President and our Attorney General. The Justice Department will go over this case with a fine toothed comb. If there is any wrongdoing found on the part of Officer Wilson, he will be prosecuted by the Justice Department - this even if the local authorities refuse to do so.

If no wrongdoing is found, no action will be taken. One way or the other, I am prepared to wait for the inquiry.

[WinkyDink]

43. Okay, "fine toothed comb" gave it away. RIGHT?

[Scootaloo]

77. "Your revolution"?

What revolution is that, do you think? I'm curious.

[HangOnKids]

91. My revolution has been canceled?

Holy shit, who knew? Was it the fine tooth comb Jerry? Thank DOG you are waiting for the inquiry because NOBODY else is....

[agbdf]

97. I'm very concerned about this...

I still believe in due process of law which requires an adjudication of the facts. In Eric Holder, we have one of the best Attorney Generals ever. I laud President Obama for sending him to Ferguson.

Eric Holder and the DOJ are conducting an independent review and even if the local grand jury declines to indict Wilson, you can bet the DOJ will bring charges against Wilson in federal court if they feel the facts warrant it.

I share your frustration and the death of this young man troubles me greatly. However, as an attorney, I want to first be made aware of all of the facts. A circus like environment has developed around this terrible incident and I feel too that those who would automatically assume Wilson's innocence are also mistaken as there simply is not enough evidence at this point (at least reliable evidence which has been made public) to figure out what exactly happened. While the emotional temperature surrounding this event is high, we are being presented with mutually exclusive facts concerning most of the pertinent details of this case and it is hard to determine what exactly happened.

Wilson might very well be tried in a court of law but, as an attorney, I feel he should be tried there and not via the media (for or against) or, for that matter, online.

[HangOnKids]

98. Now you are an attorney?

Really? Took you a few posts to mention that? With the other sophomoric replies?

[agbdf]

100. Yes I did.

[HangOnKids]

101. You just injected the attorney info Jerry

Sorry but you lost me after my revolution had been canceled. THAT was the cherry Jerry.

[agbdf]

103. Sorry, it was an obscure humor reference

Didn't mean to offend. Please accept my apologies.

[HangOnKids]

112. The reference was not obscure

I got it and it was not humorous at all. As to your "didn't mean to offend" comment, please take it elsewhere Jerry, we are grown ups here and we know what is what.

[agbdf]

122. Paraphrasing Thorstein Veblen - thought you might have got it.

[truth2power]

138. cherry Jerry...

Sorry, but we really need some humor around here!

Laugh or cry; those are the options.

[Rex]

153. Oh noes...jerry was a PBT! He was so concerned about Brown.

'As an attorney'...LOL! Cherry jerry!


Now get back under your bridge!

[AuntPatsy]

105. It's fairly easy to see the truth, I believe they have gotten away with so many abuses

Against countless individuals and for quite some time that they are a bit bewildered in how to deal with their usual deceptions. It's more than obvious this officer was whisked away rather quickly after the crime, now why would one be hidden so swiftly if one is innocent of any wrong doing..?

[Logical]

80. You are really full of information! nt

[Rex]

155. Full of something...yet now caught as a PBT.

No doubt jerry is a repeat cherry.

[Jackpine Radical]

104. The "source" was apparently someone named Josie

who knew all about what happened despite not being an eyewitness, based on what the cop said.

[Blue_Tires]

45. I'm certain that in your world

unarmed black teenagers try to snatch officers' sidearms, in broad daylight, Hollywood-style, all the freakin' time, don't they...?

I'm also certain that in your world, any one of us who is killed by the gun of an LEO, neighborhood watchman, or otherwise patriotic citizen has it coming, is that right?

So what narrative are YOU trying to push?

[bigdarryl]

3. The autopsy says different

According to Dr.Biden report there was no struggle

[mythology]

9. No it doesn't

The autopsy very clearly said it couldn't determine that. If you're speaking about the lack of gun powder on the body, the medical examiner didn't have the clothes to test.

[Avalux]

17. The medical examiner said there was no evidence of a struggle and no gunpower on the body.

He did say there may be gunpowder on the clothing, but he didn't have them to test. Brown was shot in the head twice (where there are no clothes) - no gunpowder residue.

[etherealtruth]

71. That is what I heard, as well

Surely there would have been a bump, a bruise ...an abrasion had there been a struggle

[Beaverhausen]

4. it took over a week to come up with this story?

I had no faith that justice will be served for Michael Brown.


None.

[Avalux]

5. Heresay from an anonymous source, no less.

The whole thing stinks worse than a cow pasture on a hot August day.

[VanGoghRocks]

19. My having grown up in rural southwestern Misery, your post triggered, shall we say,

certain unforgettable olfactory memories!

[Avalux]

25. Sorry about that!

[HooptieWagon]

6. Hmmmm.... while Wilson remains in hiding...

...we have unidentified "sources" spinning fanciful tales, and the FPD refuses to release the incident report Wilson filed. Looks like a coverup in progress.

[Avalux]

10. It's an obvious strategic move to sway public opinion.

And really, a legitimate news organization would not report here-say from one anonymous source. Idiots.

[SwankyXomb]

50. Assuming "Officer Wilson" exists

They can't put him on Faux remotely from a "secure" location? The longer they go without getting his narrative out there, the guiltier he looks.

[me b zola]

8. I am fuming that cnn is pushing this narrative

This friend of Darren Wilson wasn't there, is just regurgitating Wilson's story. In essence, Wilson is spewing his lies without having to go on the record.What a load of cover-up.

[Avalux]

12. I'm infuriated as well.

Apparently, according to CNN, this person called into a local radio talk show and gave the account.

[gvstn]

16. Yup, they are trying to equate hearsay with witness accounts.

Note to CNN: They are not equivalent.

[HooptieWagon]

20. Yep. Same as Zimmerman's father spewing fanciful tales...

... to the media, so Zimmerman wouldn't have any statements used against him. The FPD is trying the case in the media via planted stories.

[alcibiades_mystery]

30. "Wilson spewing lies without having to go on record." Exactly

But we must WAIT for the ahem ahem inquiry ahem ahem.

This is a disgrace.

[Ms. Toad]

31. Friend of a friend of Wilson - so third hand.

The caller claimed to be a friend of Wilson's significant other.

[brewens]

141. Sound like a Zimmerman strategy. How careful were they gathering evidence from Wilson after the

shooting? How about pictures? Punched in the face? Any damage from the punch is probably pretty well healed by now. If we don't have pics of him from that night, that will really stink to high heaven!

[MohRokTah]

11. Next thing will be the St. Louis County Prosecutor charging Michael Brown for theft of six bullets.

The way the prosecutor's office is demonizing Brown there will never be justice in this case.

[VanGoghRocks]

23. All respect! Well, Brown was definitely guilty of 'BWB' (Breathing while Black). I have

faith in the masses of Ferguson (and the broader masses in St. Louis) to exert pressure to see that justice is done and due process observed.

[JustAnotherGen]

28. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised

At minimum - they'll probably send a bill to his parent. *smh*

[BklnDem75]

51. Well the police did try to charge a man with destruction of property before...

For bleeding on them while beating the crap out of him.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/15/the-day-ferguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie.html

[LordGlenconner]

14. Mr. Brown will have been responsible for the JFK assisination and the recession before this is over

Also: Gout, measles, hepatitis B, genital warts, lawn darts, ISIS, Robin Williams' suicide, Jose Fernandez' Tommy John surgery, head lice, New Coke, the Macarena, the Costa Concordia disaster and whatever else angry,paranoid, bigoted fucking people can pin on him.

[pinto]

15. They have noted that it's a second / third hand report. Anonymous caller to a radio show.

Jeffrey Tobin made the point that no lawyer or prosecutor would give that any legal credence. No clue to where CNN picked up the story or why they passed it on.



24/7 cable news jumps the gun far too often. They have 24 hours to fill. That's a big part of the problem with televised journalism.

[Avalux]

22. Yep, the advent of the 24/7 news cycle leaves room for all sorts of bullshit.

It's irresponsible to report such a story, since Brown is gone and can't defend himself. But the same thing happen to Trayvon Martin.

[treestar]

56. Yes, what happened to journalism?

I recall taking a class in it in college in the 70s and remember something to the effect you never print anything you can't back up. Now it amounts to not much more than gossip.

[pinto]

60. Yeah. It's gotten full of grey areas. Questionable practices.

Coupled with the vast influence of the internet, some second hand sources, some blogs.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

18. Is the source named George Zimmerman? nt

[HooptieWagon]

24. or his father. nt

[BlueCaliDem]

32. Ridiculous! So, in light of this questionable-source reporting (with the intent to defame Mike Brown

of course), can we now all agree that CNN is no different than Faux News Channel?

[Avalux]

35. You got it! n/t

[deutsey]

33. I don't know what actually happened

but this doesn't sound plausible:

"After that he ran away and yelled at Wilson 'you won't shoot me'."

That just doesn't sound like something anyone would say who isn't in an old James Cagney movie.


"You'll never catch me alive, coppers!"

[HooptieWagon]

127. I think Zimm-Dad is writing their script.

He's the one who claimed Trayvon said "You got me", while clutching his chest, turned two times, and fell down. Right out of a B-grade movie. And the media falls all over each other to regurgitate that crap.

[onecaliberal]

34. If that were true the cops would have already

Released a report clarifying forensic evidence with Michael Brown finger prints on the gun. The only thing they had against Michael was the store video and they released it. If they had more they would put it out. Hats why there is no report from cops. They have no justification.

[TheNutcracker]

36. RIGHT.........THIS would have been the 1st thing reported, IF it only were true.

[avebury]

38. Except that there was no gunshot residue on his hands.

Nor is there any forensic evidence of Brown being in the car, or partially in the car.

[SwankyXomb]

52. If Brown had been partly inside the police car when the first shot was fired

as one of the myriad of police stories claims, his upper body and clothes should have been covered in GSR.

[Lex]

66. Exactly.

[1StrongBlackMan]

41. Yes, that completely supports ...

the witness statement that has the police officer yelling get out of the street and on the sidewalk, DRIVING OFF, STOPPING, BACKING UP and asking "What did you say?"

AND ...

The witness statement(s) that one shot was fired from inside of the police vehicle.

AND ...

The police chief's statement that the presumed robbery had nothing to do with the pre-shooting contact ...

AND ...

The police chief's description of the pre-shooting description of the contact.

[boomer55]

42. There's video with witness stating brown charged the cop

It's a YouTube vid right after the shooting. It is graphic in language and there is a body in the street


https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=VdL9dqkyjhM&t=6m1s

[Avalux]

44. Really? CHARGED the cop?

I've listened to it several times. Brown ran away from Wilson, Wilson ran after him with gun drawn....started shooting, Brown turned around and came back at Wilson.

Nowhere did I hear that Brown CHARGED Wilson.

[RandiFan1290]

83. It's what Hannity and the rest of the radio scum are pushing

That is why we are seeing it here

It does not say what they claim.

[Avalux]

84. I see....

thank you for enlightening me.

[HangOnKids]

109. Boomer has 19 posts in 90 days

and a hide! What a record! Grain of salt warning here it appears.

[Warren Stupidity]

90. It is a great tactic. Many readers will not follow the link, but assume the poster is not lying

because they provided a link. Others will follow the link, watch some of the video, be confused enough to allow the poster's assertion to stand and be convinced.

Lie, but provide a verifiable assertion of something not relevant.

"He charged the police" - the lie.
"Here's the video" - a true statement that does not confirm the lie.

[840high]

46. Interesting.

[HangOnKids]

114. You are interesting too!

Very!

[840high]

142. Thank you. I haven't seen

that video before.

[HangOnKids]

143. For the love of GAWD

I am laughing my ass off here.

[840high]

150. So am I. Peace.

[Number23]

124. lol!

[mackerel]

47. it is my understandjng that officer Wilson's

girlfriend and her girlfriends are circulating this story to conservative radio shows and the like

[Avalux]

48. Ahhhh...that makes sense.

Where did you get that information?

[brooklynite]

49. Question - how many objected to the circulation of the video of Brown's body laying in the street?

What struck me was that the narration was all "they say he...." or "they say the police...". Just as potentially inflammatory but no factual information and no attribution of source.

In a difficult situation like this, you have to either reject ALL information sources that aren't corroborated, or be prepared to accept all reporting that comes out.

[GeorgeGist]

53. Where's Wilson?

[font size =5] Where's Wilson?


[/font size]

[janlyn]

126. Probably hiding in whatever small town he is from.

Seriously, in the state I live in right below Misery, anyone who has those low slung curled forward ears generally comes from a small town where everybody is related to everybody. And being scientifically minded I have even tested the theory during my 30 yrs of residence by asking said individuals where they were from and... yep you guessed it. Said small towns.

[treestar]

54. Who grabs for the gun of an armed person?

They used this on Trayvon, too.

They've watched too many TV shows. And are looking for an excuse for shooting an unarmed teen, and can't think of anything else.

[valerief]

58. +1

[Avalux]

62. An armed cop! And then Brown bum-rushed Wilson in a terrifying pot rage!!

Idiotic tall tales from people who know how to work the media.

[Generic Brad]

107. If he grabbed the gun, then how come he was the one who was shot?

This explanation sounds like utter hogwash.

[killbotfactory]

137. "He grabbed for my gun!" "He doubled back and came after me!"

[Borchkins]

151. And it worked. They'll keep using it as long as it keeps working.

[treestar]

152. Yep.

Why it keeps working I'll never know. I could see it maybe, maybe, if the person were on drugs that made them crazed enough to do something like this. They didn't have that for Trayvon. Now for Michael, they have marijuana, but that does not make people do things like that. PCP maybe, or ragingly drunk. That's the only time it would even be remotely believable. Or suicide by cop.

[Lee-Lee]

156. It happens often

In fact often enough officers carry special holsters that make it harder for someone else to draw (because of the angle) and we were required every year as part of qualification to do weapon retention drills.

Statistics are that around 90% of officers who have their gun taken by an assailant are shot with that same gun. You lose your gun to an assailant and you are probably going to die.

[treestar]

158. "Often" is how often?

It would take a special kind of crazy to attempt that.

[Lee-Lee]

159. One example- around 8% of police officers that get shot

Are shot with their own gun.

It does take a special kind of crazy- but that's often what cops deal with- crazy, desperate people who are more often than not making a series of poor decisions that led up to the encounter- who may or may not have ingested a substance that makes them think even less clearly.

I've met meth heads who were convinced they could move like ninjas when they were high, they wouldn't hesitate to try something like that if they though they could.

[valerief]

55. Well, we already knew that would be Wilson's defense. And it probably

won't come to trial. And there'll be another set or Watts/Rodney King riots. And more black people will get killed from Zimmermans.

Oh, and most important of all, there'll be NO JUSTICE, just more oppression.

[ohnoyoudidnt]

57. It only takes one juror to prevent a conviction.

It doesn't matter if the defense is weak. One juror who believes Brown should have been shot just because he was black and possibly a criminal is all it takes. I hope I am wrong, but I think I see where this is going. That is, if there even is a trial. I think the aftermath could be bad if the cop walks.

[blm]

59. Because everyone knows pot makes you want to bumrush cops

eh?

[Avalux]

61. To those who don't have a freakin' clue. n/t

[blm]

85. I can't think of anyone who turned violent after smoking herb.

And that would be 4 decades of 'observing' the participants. ; )

[Avalux]

86. In my research,

I have observed mostly tv watching, chill conversations and lots and lots of snacks.

[blm]

88. I concur

.

[tblue37]

63. Wilson's facial/head boo-boo occurred when his face or head smacked into his car door,

Last edited Mon Aug 18, 2014, 08:35 PM - Edit history (1)

I would bet money on it. Either it happened when he threw the door open so close to Brown that it bounced back and smacked him, or he hit himself on it while jumping out of the car in an adrenaline (and possible steroid) fueled rage that his "authoritah" had been disrespected, at least in his own mind. One other possibility is that he smacked into the edge of his car's roof while jumping out, but that would be less likely.

[Avalux]

65. Where did you hear that Wilson had a head wound? n/t

[countryjake]

87. Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson said it the day after the shooting

Ferguson Police Chief talks about the unrest
http://www.ksdk.com/media/cinematic/video/13884097/

He also was interviewed early on that Sunday by a local channel in which he stated that the officer had been taken to the hospital for treatment of injuries from an "assault" right after the shooting and that he was placed on administrative leave. I can't find that video right now, but I bookmarked it somewhere.

I would guess that assault charges are pending against his patrol car door.

[tblue37]

89. Many reports online about police chief Jackson saying

so.

Here is one such article:

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2014/08/15/ferguson-missouri-police-officer-name

After the incident, Wilson was taken to a local hospital, where he was treated for a "swollen face," according to Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson. Jackson said he talked with the officer who was “very shaken” about what happened the day of the shooting.

[Lex]

64. Autopsy shows NOT a close range shot.

So he shot him because there was a tussle for his gun, but the shots weren't at close range?
OK.

[Avalux]

67. Well, you know, Wilson had that special secret gun that doesn't produce gunpowder residue.

And he HAD to shoot Brown because he was all hyped up on pot.

[Lex]

68. Yes, ridiculous in so many ways.

I wonder if the cop's vehicle was tested for evidence of any kind, such as gun shot residue.

[Oilwellian]

69. The cops vehicle...

quickly left the scene, therefore tainting the evidence. Why did Wilson run?

[Anansi1171]

82. This is an important question.

"Why did Wilson Run?"

[notadmblnd]

70. I'd like to know if the cop has been tested for drug use?

Both street and prescription drug abuse.

[itsrobert]

125. Another good question

Focusing on appropriate questions and the facts as we know them is key.

[itsrobert]

123. That's a good guestion

But it was stated that the privately hired Medical Examiner did not have access to Brown's clothes. Also, the body may have been washed before this autopsy. I assume you are referring to this private autopsy. Has the official one been released?

[itsrobert]

75. No, it doesn't

The autopsy says it is not definitive. I'll appreciate if you and others stick to the facts. Most likely not at a close range. But not definitive.

[Lex]

99. "Most likely" not at close range. Wow, you really nailed it.

[itsrobert]

102. Just stating facts

You have a problem with them?

[Lex]

106. Settle down.

[itsrobert]

108. Another fact. I dont own a gun.

Please try to stay civil. You seem to be the one with the itchy trigger finger.

Note to others: The post I replied to initially said I should "put down your (my) gun". It was quickly edited.

[pintobean]

111. Want a good laugh?

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[itsrobert]

115. Yup, being rude is funny

Not.

[pintobean]

120. Maybe you should complain in ATA

It's their smilie.

[itsrobert]

121. Like I said, sometimes the smilie is warranted

And I am sure the admins have in mind for members to use it when warranted. Not to be rude to someone trying to clarify what the facts are. Why are the facts upsetting you and other posters?

[pintobean]

128. I'm not upset by facts

the more the better. I just pointed out a silly alert.

[itsrobert]

130. Why the need to call out others?

The jury made the decision and expressed their opinion. Do you think your posting is adding anything to this conversation?

Why don't you just come right out and say that, "itsrobert is a dumbass"? If that is what you believe.

[pintobean]

132. No one knew you alerted

until you admitted it. Anybody could have alerted. I didn't assume it was you.

[itsrobert]

134. Right

[Kalidurga]

131. depends on context

in the context of someone being offended an eyeroll is hillarious.

[itsrobert]

133. Not offended.

It's just rude.

[Kalidurga]

139. Yes being treated rudely

it's worse than being shot while being black.

[itsrobert]

140. I am just trying to clarify facts

On the other hand I do believe Michael Brown was murdered by the officer. If I am not stating anything factually, you and others are welcome to call me out on it or help me understand why am wrong.

Good day.

[Lex]

116. I didn't mean to hurt anyone's fee-fees.

I guess the eye-roll smilie is a little rough.

[itsrobert]

119. Of course not

But, I guess someone trying to clarify facts is too rough for you. Why are you so disturb by clarification?

[countryjake]

72. If you go to CNN & click on "Complete coverage of Ferguson shooting & protests"

The very top of that page has a banner box that says "Private autopsy results revealed" with a pic of a Brown family lawyer holding an enlarged board of those autopsy results, a short summary of the story, and six other links, including the first one that says "Full Story". If you click on either "Private autopsy results revealed" or "Full Story" instead of directing you to that particular Autopsy article, the banner headline and story at the top of that page you're taken to reads:

"Michael Brown rushed officer, radio caller says"


A demonstration of MSM propaganda in action.

[itsrobert]

73. Was this Frank Taffe?

n/t

[ReRe]

74. Well, let me say one thing right now...

If that officer is acquitted of all charges, we will have a bigger problem than we had before he did it. Everyone knows what that will be. Us oldsters here on DU have lived through it and we know that it could happen again. The only thing is, now all the crazies own a gun. Or twenty guns.

Look it, the police officer did it. He showed lousy judgment and killed a human being. Yeah, a young man who probably just shoplifted & pushed/threatened a shop owner and was holding the evidence in his hand. A young man who might have had a smart mouth. A 6'4", stout young man in his late teens who gave you a bump on the head when you grabbed him and pulled him into the window. None of this matters.

Whatever happened to calling for backup? What IS the SOP when a seemingly dangerous situation comes up like the one he found himself in? The cop did NOT have to kill Michael Brown. He could have turned around in the middle of the road while simultaneously calling for back-up, and followed them to see where the young men went. And if he felt like he had to shoot, he could have shot to injure, instead of unloading his gun on him! No choice, my arse.

The cop will NOT walk. I guarantee it. He's got a rough row to hoe, because no matter what they get him on (First, second, manslaughter, etc.,) he's going to serve time. And that is NOT going to be a picnic, as they will have to put him in maximum security due to the severity of the crime.

[Iggo]

76. And tomorrow they'll have another story. (n/t)

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

78. Because an unarmed man is, of course, going to charge towards gunfire.

Rather than run from it. Riiiiiiiight.

[alcibiades_mystery]

79. Psssst...they are not like you and me...they're irrational....they're...they're...they're animals

This is the ultimate mind-frame of people who believe this nonsense.

[Avalux]

81. Heartbreaking that you're speaking the truth about how some people think. n/t

[ecstatic]

92. If we're talking about the same person, I'm disgusted by her delivery

of Darren's version of events. Very light hearted, casual, even giggling at times. We're talking about the death of an 18 year old!

[kwolf68]

93. DID ANYONE LISTEN...to "Josie's" call?

She said a shot went off in the police car. This could easily be proven...except the officer fled with the car.

Mike Brown was "on something" she said. Toxicology says POT...yea, that's known to really make someone psychotic.

I still want to know about the shot that went off in the car...if this can be disproved it would show she (he) is a liar.

[Capt. Obvious]

94. Yeah, but that all happened on the missing Malaysian plane

Totally unrelated to Brown's murder.

[politicat]

95. There's got to be a pony here somewhere!

Given all the horseshit.

[Kalidurga]

135. a pony???

oh I think there is a lot more than one pony.

[HangOnKids]

144. It's A Clydesdale Stampede

At the very least.

[Kalidurga]

146. Yes at the very least

I thought it smelled more like elephant droppings myself. But, that would still have to be a rather large gathering of elephants. Speaking of did you hear that the KKK is fund raising in a town near Ferguson? I thought I saw some seriously F'd up stuff in my life, but they are really going for the bottom of the barrel busting that out and digging deeper these days.

[HangOnKids]

147. NO I haven't heard that

But in my little hamlet in Nor Cal a cop who killed a 13 year old is going back on active duty. Nasty days.

[Kalidurga]

148. Meanwhile

someone on a message board is getting butt hurt cuz we are talking about racism. They are being oppressed and stuff for being pigment challenged. They still see these things as isolated events and of course the victim s/he had it coming because once at band camp they smoked a joint.

[Kalidurga]

148. Meanwhile

someone on a message board is getting butt hurt cuz we are talking about racism. They are being oppressed and stuff for being pigment challenged. They still see these things as isolated events and of course the victim s/he had it coming because once at band camp they smoked a joint.

[davidpdx]

96. Well first they release a police report that makes it look like he robbed a store

now they have people going around saying he attacked the cop. What's next?

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

110. At least it isn't like a Fox News source

which is not a source at all but merely speculation phrased as "Could it be that ... xyz? Some are suggesting that ...xyz" We report. You decide if it's all bullshit.

[kdmorris]

113. CNN can kiss my ass

Just watch the live stream and CNN at the same time. VASTLY different coverage... CNN cut out the sound of the LRADS last night. They didn't show any of the footage of the people standing there with their hands up DOING NOTHING before the police started tear-gassing the shit out of them (well they were chanting "Hands up Don't shoot", which I'm sure warrants tear gas and LRADS - think obnoxious EXTREMELY loud noise).

Then the police advanced down the street, shooting tear gas the whole way and the harrassed the crap out of the guy doing the live stream.

They just keep pushing the narrative that Mike Brown "deserved" this somehow.

Darren Wilson shot an unarmed man. Darren Wilson shot an unarmed man.

[mindwalker_i]

117. Maybe CNN can set up several simulators

of "sources" providing information. Those simulators should look like toilets.

[Capt. Obvious]

118. They spoke to a hologram of the source

[Warpy]

129. Then shot himself at a distance 6 times?

Pull the other one.

[Rex]

136. BREAKING NEWS: CNN TRIES TO BE A REAL NEWS STATION!

[freshwest]

145. 4REALZ? Iraq War Cheerleading CNN? Unnamed source?

They stayed on their corporate master's script but reality has a liberal bias and they were proven to be dumbasses for the whole world to see that time.

Don't forget their Iraq War Invasion theatrics. This is not Ted Turner's old CNN we're talking about. It's been Faux Light for years.

They are pushing for a race war since Obama won't give their owners a a shooting war.

[Unvanguard]

154. I thought the stop had nothing to do with the robbery.

And that Wilson shot for the first time from the car. And it still makes no sense that first he runs away and then he charges back (toward an armed police officer!)

[cleduc]

157. What did we expect the cop would say?

"I smoked the n-word. Put me on death row!" ? (/sarcasm)

Isn't the kind of explanation given to CNN via Dana's radio show to be expected?

I can understand with the heated feelings about this why it might upset.

But if folks want this officer convicted for killing Mike Brown, cutting through this kind of defense is what it's going to take. And it's not necessarily going to be easy.

We can wring our hands and rant in frustration or go out and riot. Or we can scrutinize what is being claimed and punch holes in it. I think the latter has a much better chance of helping obtaining justice for Mike Brown. Those defending officer Wilson are already on the offensive trying to make the victim the criminal. And they'll be trying to punch holes in the eyewitness accounts. That isn't going to stop anytime soon. Innuendo and opinion or relying on flimsy, emotional reasoning are not going to resonate in a court or the media nearly as much as the verifiable facts and solid reasoning. Scrutinize it. Look for those. One of you might see something that could help.

To me, that's a constructive way to react to this.