I see a problem with this interview of one of the Brown witnesses

[bigdarryl]

She never says Brown had his hands up.This is why I don't think it's a good idea to have potential witnesses on TV the defense team of this officer is going to take this interview apart.Even to the fact she says she left to get her phone to start recording it. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/18/michael-brown-shooting-video_n_5687590.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000047

[bravenak]

1. The autopsy kinda proves the case.

[bigdarryl]

2. Remember that is one of three autopsy's that are going to be done

And you can bet that the one the County is doing is going to support this Wilson guy

[bravenak]

5. This will be a federal civil rights case too.

There will be justice. If the county thinks the citizens are mad now, they should fear how pissed they will be if they keep covering shit up.

[KT2000]

4. that he did have his hands up?

Not clear what you mean but with the arm wounds on the inside of his arm looks like he did have his hands up - next to his head.

[bravenak]

7. The bullet wound insidd of his hand is defensive.

Besides, he did a finishing move on the kid who was already shot at least five times. Imagine that boy five foot six, female and blind if it helps.

[KT2000]

9. I agree

I just did not know what you meant.

[JustAnotherGen]

18. Blind

Knowing he was shot in the eye - I just can't believe people really believe Mr. Brown went charging at that police officer.

And from now on - He's Mr. Brown. I'm going to give him the respect that he didn't get when that thug told him to get the fuck out of the street.

You with me?

[bravenak]

21. I'm with you.

College enrollee, recent graduate Mr. Brown, lost his life at the hands of a thug in the streets.

I'll never forget the photo of him in his cap and gown.

Hands up!


I yield. I can take no more.


My fear, your frustration, mixing in the street of blood


I’m real, look at me


Like an animal, laying in crud


You disconnecting


Like pulling a plug


Me, from reality


Now I’m the suspect, and you the vic


One of deaths, cruel, cruel tricks


He who lives, tells the tale


The injustice, another nail


In the coffin of freedom

[JustAnotherGen]

23. Check out this one

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=374646

We have people here speaking for the thug. Like - mind readers brave.

[bravenak]

24. Scary stupid.

I wonder if it's like a hive mind sort of thing. I have been hearing the dumbest excuses for the murder of Mr. Brown.

[jwirr]

25. I'm with you and that is a good point.

[JJChambers]

6. The autopsy isn't a goldmine that some folks think it is.

Brown wasn't shot in the back. He was shot from the front. There will be conflicting "experts" from both sides that will interpret the autopsy results differently. Witnesses, as BigDarryl points out, are all over the map with conflicting statements.

This case is not going to be a slam dunk. It's going to be another Trayvon Martin case where justice is absent from the proceedings.

[bravenak]

8. I don't think being shot IN THE TOP Of his head...

Is any better than in the back. He was tall. He had to be down to be shot in the top of the head. Opr falling, since he had already been shot in the face.

[JJChambers]

11. I think he was shot while falling forward.

But an expert hired by the defense will testify it is likely he was shot while charging the officer. The officer will testify to the same thing. And the state examiners will have to state that it is "possible" -- reasonable doubt doesn't need much of a foothold to destroy a case like this.

I just think we're setting ourselves up for disappointment by thinking this is going to be anything other than Trayvon Martin part 2.

[bravenak]

12. I don't think it will be TM 2.

GZ fired once and has since been found out to be a wierdo. This guy will have demons and other victims of his brutality. They are already talking.

[JJChambers]

15. I applaud your positive outlook.

My pessimism is too strong to agree.

[bravenak]

17. No pessimism!!!

Write a poem about it and get pissed! If we are defeatists about this, the violence will never end.

[JJChambers]

19. The system is rigged

Without an on video execution of Michael and without a confession, I would doubt their ability to get a conviction. I've just seen too many cases of abuses of power, cases stronger than this one, that haven't gone anywhere. Maybe we'll get lucky. But its hard not to get down about it.

[bravenak]

22. We might just have to smash the system up a bit.

Every citizen needs to sue the city. Individually.

[Cosmocat]

27. I tend to agree

It looks and smells like TM part two ...

[NV Whino]

28. If you watch the video it says

Mr Brown was shot in the top of the head, with a back to front trajectory.

This would indicate that the fatal bullet entered when he was already down. This is a very important distinction.

[JJChambers]

31. I watched the whole press conference.

The ATTORNEY said back to front. Then the medical examiner got on and said it wasn't back to front.

[Mike Daniels]

29. The ME said the examination doesn't rule out Brown charging the cop

IF Brown was charging the cop in a manner such as to tackle or attack him the inside of his arms would have been subject to being struck by the cop's ammo. Visualize a football player aiming to tackle an opponent (arms are going to be spread out before attempting to wrap up the opposing player).

If Brown was falling prior to the final shot being fired that could explain the entry point into the head.

Simply, the examination doesn't rule anything out and can likely be used to support either side's version of events. .

[bravenak]

30. Yeah, no.

Sorry. Getting shot in the face stops the charge issue. He could have moved. Then cuffed him. A headshot is not appropriate for a charge.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

3. He was shot in the palm.

More than likely his hands were up.

[mythology]

10. But were they up in surrender or

Up from struggling with the cop?

The released portions of the autopsy don't speak to that.

[avebury]

13. If he had been struggling with the cop there

would have been gun residue on his hands from a close contact wound. There was no residue on his hands.

[JI7]

32. wouldn't there be some trail of blood if he was shot while struggling with cops

to the point where he was later shot again ?

wouldn't the cop have some blood on him ?

[Make7]

14. She does in this interview:

http://www.ksdk.com/videos/news/local/2014/08/13/14007133/

[Hoyt]

16. The truth needs to come out, whatever it is. I don't think witnesses, including Wilson,

should be held incommunicado while they get their story straight.

[IsItJustMe]

20. I saw that interview and she didn't say either way

and was not asked if Brown had his hands up. I thought that also, but that interview was very general and not specific what so ever.

[Politicalboi]

26. And they used that quack Baden for the autopsy

He worked with OJ's team to try and free that murderer. That jury could of had a video tape of the murder, and still would have let him go.