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Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 04:11 AM Apr 2012

Bubba Watson in 2011: 'I care' about Augusta National excluding women

At his post-victory press conference on Sunday evening, Bubba Watson was asked about winning the 2012 Masters and being a new father, but not about Augusta National's all-male membership. However, Golf Magazine asked Watson about Augusta National's membership policy in its 2011 Masters survey. The survey is anonymous, but Watson wanted his response on the record:

Does it bother you that the club's membership excludes women?

"Yeah, I care, and you can quote me on it." —Bubba Watson


Watson's fellow Tour pros weren't as concerned. Ninety percent of the 40 Tour players surveyed said that they were not bothered that women can't be members at Augusta National.
http://blogs.golf.com/presstent/2012/04/bubba-watson-in-2011-i-care-about-augusta-excluding-women.html

I loves me some Bubba!
He has the cojones to put his name on the statement and stand behind it. No waffling.
Augusta wants their cake and eat it too. They want to reap huge benefits from The Masters while denying women membership. Either close completely and give up the tournament or let women in.




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Bubba Watson in 2011: 'I care' about Augusta National excluding women (Original Post) Are_grits_groceries Apr 2012 OP
What if he protests next year by refusing to play exboyfil Apr 2012 #1
Bubba does and says what he thinks is right. Are_grits_groceries Apr 2012 #4
Bubba is a deserving winner and stand-up guy no doubt. banned from Kos Apr 2012 #2
can't believe phil ricocheted that off the bleachers.. but it's good to see Bubba win. dionysus Apr 2012 #3
Phil is a great guy but he has three green jackets banned from Kos Apr 2012 #5
Phil is a wonder. Are_grits_groceries Apr 2012 #13
if he played safe golf.. i guess he wouldn't be the same Phil then, right? dionysus Apr 2012 #14
I have played at it. Are_grits_groceries Apr 2012 #16
Boooooo! he's lost his game, but seems to be getting it back finally. dionysus Apr 2012 #22
David Duval is a mystery! Are_grits_groceries Apr 2012 #23
from what i've read, first he broke up with a long time fiance, then he broke his wrists dionysus Apr 2012 #24
He already stirred things up with that answer. Are_grits_groceries Apr 2012 #6
I noticed Bubba will be on Morning Joe this week banned from Kos Apr 2012 #8
I don't watch Morning Joke. Are_grits_groceries Apr 2012 #11
I've been torn for years about this titaniumsalute Apr 2012 #7
As I said, Are_grits_groceries Apr 2012 #10
This is the kind of argument I have with people who complain players make too much money titaniumsalute Apr 2012 #17
The membership at Augusta ... Whiskeytide Apr 2012 #19
I don't care what Augusta does. But I do care what the PGA does. ieoeja Apr 2012 #12
The Masters is in no way, shape, form part of the PGA banned from Kos Apr 2012 #15
That is not correct Oilwellian Apr 2012 #18
The British Open is on that PGA schedule too. banned from Kos Apr 2012 #20
The bottom line is: Augusta shouldn't be on that list. n/t ieoeja Apr 2012 #21
The bottom line is... Oilwellian Apr 2012 #25
I guess I have a new favorite golfer! MarianJack Apr 2012 #9

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
1. What if he protests next year by refusing to play
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 09:36 AM
Apr 2012

or by refusing to hand out the next green jacket. Words are one thing, actions are something else.

How about wearing something that says to let women into the club? He could join with the CEO of IBM (who was denied honorary membership) to convey the message.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
4. Bubba does and says what he thinks is right.
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 09:52 AM
Apr 2012

He won't conform to your or my notion of what should be done. In that one statement, he took a stand that most other golfers don't care about or they won't say so.

With that answer, he has already done a lot more than most.



 

banned from Kos

(4,017 posts)
2. Bubba is a deserving winner and stand-up guy no doubt.
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 09:44 AM
Apr 2012

FWIW he is also a very devout evangelical. The three pros who walked the playoff in the gallery are his faith brothers (Crane, Fowler, and Baddely). The ones he hugged after winning.

I doubt he stirs anything up at Augusta given this info. But you never know.

 

banned from Kos

(4,017 posts)
5. Phil is a great guy but he has three green jackets
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 09:55 AM
Apr 2012

Golf fosters integrity. You police yourself.

In all my years I remember almost no disputes in the game. Once one PGA player accused another of using the wrong groove width - which borders on the absurd since you need a micrometer to determine what grooves are too wide.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
13. Phil is a wonder.
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 10:17 AM
Apr 2012

I like him, but I wonder about the shots he takes at times. High risk. High reward. High drama.


dionysus

(26,467 posts)
14. if he played safe golf.. i guess he wouldn't be the same Phil then, right?
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 11:33 AM
Apr 2012

he may have more titles, but it'd be less fun to watch.

do you play?

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
16. I have played at it.
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 11:51 AM
Apr 2012

I spent a summer with a friend near a par 3 course. And I have I spent a lot of time on putting greens.
Then when I moved to MD, my cousins used to go to the last few holes at Congressional and play them.
I know a little. I know enough to know I would make Tiger Woods look like a saint if I really played.

BTW my cat named Scat loves golf. She will sit at the end of the bed engrossed in what is going on. I thought it was because of the moving ball or flags on the pins. However, I once changed the channel when only the commentators were on screen. She gave me a death look so I changed it back. I leave it on the Golf Channel if I am not gone long.

Apropos of nohing, I never thought Tiger Woods could drive for s***.

Phil makes the game interesting, and so does Bubba. I also like Boo Weekley.



dionysus

(26,467 posts)
22. Boooooo! he's lost his game, but seems to be getting it back finally.
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 05:03 PM
Apr 2012

Last edited Tue Apr 10, 2012, 05:49 PM - Edit history (1)

i made it out for the first time this year last weekend.. surprised myself and shot an 80. which is great considering that i only break 80 once or twice a season!

think of how rough i have it; i was a david duval fan! since he's fallen off of the face of the golfing earth Phil's my main man now!

i could never stand tiger's tantrums or the whoel golf press kissing his ass. the latter isn't so much his fault.. the former is. when he played here he was dropping f bombs in front of little kids.. not cool...

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
23. David Duval is a mystery!
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 05:27 PM
Apr 2012

He was at the top, and then boom! He was gone.
I follow several golfers from Clemson, my alma mater.
Jonathan Byrd, Lucas Glover, Kyle Stanley to name a few. Clemson has a very good golf program.

BTW Boo and Bubba were on the same HS golf team. What a hoot.

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
24. from what i've read, first he broke up with a long time fiance, then he broke his wrists
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 05:51 PM
Apr 2012

snowboarding, then he developed vertigo. after that he never got his game back. poor fella. when i follwed him and davis love and couples during a practice round at the pga championship in 03, he was not a happy camper!

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
6. He already stirred things up with that answer.
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 09:56 AM
Apr 2012

The good ol' boys who run The Masters can't be happy that he will speak out. I'm sure that there was talk among them whether we got wind of it or not.

I know he is an evangelical, but he doesn't have it in your face 24/7 like Tebow.



 

banned from Kos

(4,017 posts)
8. I noticed Bubba will be on Morning Joe this week
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 10:01 AM
Apr 2012

Do you think Mika will ask about this?

If she does will you post it for others here (I will miss it)?

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
11. I don't watch Morning Joke.
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 10:15 AM
Apr 2012

Mika makes my teeth hurt most of the time. If I find an article on it, I'll post it. i'm not going out of my way to find out what she says.
Why will you miss an article? Even if you don't watch, you can look too.




titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)
7. I've been torn for years about this
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 09:58 AM
Apr 2012

Augusta doesn't allow women into their membership. It seems wrong in every way. Yet both my mother and my wife have simply said "Who gives a shit?" Both have said the old farts that run the place don't want women around...so they wouldn't want to be there anyway. There's a million other clubs, associations, etc. that welcome women.

I would never join (not that I would have the money anyway) because I don't agree with their stance. But I wouldn't really wan tto see the government make them open the doors to women either.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
10. As I said,
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 10:13 AM
Apr 2012

Augusta wants it both ways. They want that major golf tournament and all it brings, but they don't want to be an open club.
They get major bucks because of this. They won't allow half of the population to be members. My opinion is open your club or forget the tournament and keep it closed all the time. This won't happen without corporate pressure.
They are getting an undeserved pass.


titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)
17. This is the kind of argument I have with people who complain players make too much money
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 12:43 PM
Apr 2012

Then don't support it. Don't go to Augusta. Don't watch it on TV. Don't watch it online.

If people are really up in arms about Augusta National's behavior then they won't pay the small fortunes to attend the Masters event. However, when I watched Sunday, I saw tens of thousands of women there watching the event. If they didn't go, Augusta couldn't afford the TV time on CBS.

It does frost my ass these old southern farts (rich farts) behave this way. But overall people support the event so it doesn't end up mattering.

Whiskeytide

(4,463 posts)
19. The membership at Augusta ...
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 01:05 PM
Apr 2012

... is pretty well heeled. They don't really need corporate sponsors or gate receipts to fund the tournament - they've done without the sponsors in the past. I suspect they make a pretty penny on licensed merchandising, and that would probably be the only way to hurt them financially - stop buying masters caps and coffee mugs, etc... But still I don't think that would matter much to them. They are true examples of people rich enough to simply not give a shit. I heard a story about a member who complained about the configuration of a particular hole or tee box - something like that - and the board agreed with him. They made the alterations, and then sent the member a bill for the work in the neighborhood of $180,000. He paid it, and they all chuckle about it now. Probably an urban legend, but still, it illustrates the point.

I love golf. The Masters is one of the best tournaments in the world, on probably the best maintained course in the world. I think they should open the membership to women, but I'll confess that I still watch it - and will probably continue to watch it - even though I disagree with that position. Call me weak, but I love the game, and the masters is the game at it highest level. But at least I won't buy caps and coffee mugs.

Edited for spelling

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
12. I don't care what Augusta does. But I do care what the PGA does.
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 10:16 AM
Apr 2012

It is insane that in this day and age the PGA endorses gender discrimination in this fashion.


 

banned from Kos

(4,017 posts)
15. The Masters is in no way, shape, form part of the PGA
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 11:43 AM
Apr 2012

The PGA runs their own tournament Masters week.

The Masters makes their own rules, TV contract, invitations, etc.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
18. That is not correct
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 12:48 PM
Apr 2012

The PGA regards the Masters tournament as the first of their 4 majors played each year. The players who compete in the Masters are PGA members, minus the 6 amateurs invited to play each year. As you can see in the PGA schedule, there is only one Masters tournament each year.

The PGA TOUR has released its 2012 schedule, which features 45 official money tournaments, the same number and configuration as 2011.

http://www.pgatour.com/r/schedule/
 

banned from Kos

(4,017 posts)
20. The British Open is on that PGA schedule too.
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 01:16 PM
Apr 2012

And The Masters and British Open are absent from PGA supervision.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Golfers%27_Association_of_America

If fact, the US Open is not operated by the PGA - it is run by the USGA. The only one of the four majors the PGA has any purview over is the PGA Championship.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
25. The bottom line is...
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 05:57 PM
Apr 2012

the PGA is very much intertwined with the Masters. PGA players compete in it. There would be no Masters tournament without the PGA players. I'm not talking about who has control over the tournaments. I'm referring to who plays in them.

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