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cal04

(41,505 posts)
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 11:58 PM Aug 2014

Police threaten to shoot reporter taping Ferguson protest and Chris Hayes threatened (video)

Last edited Mon Aug 18, 2014, 12:31 AM - Edit history (1)

http://www.vox.com/2014/8/17/6029739/video-police-threatens-to-shoot-reporter-taping-ferguson-protests?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=voxdotcom&utm_content=sunday#ooid=5sZ2Nwbzoa54nQHPRIpGI8H5XzPNiRPv

A police officer threatened to shoot a reporter taping a live stream of protests in Ferguson, Missouri. The moment was caught on tape by KARG Argus Radio in St. Louis at Livestream.com:

In the video, a police officer can be heard yelling to a reporter, "Get the fuck out of here or I will shoot you."



Chris Hayes being threatened (video)
Also threatened by police Sunday night was MSNBC's Chris Hayes, who was filming when police told him, "Media do not pass us, you're getting maced next time you pass us."


http://gawker.com/ferguson-police-threaten-to-shoot-reporter-and-mace-chr-1623125660/+gabriellebluestone

Video of the reporter too
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Police threaten to shoot reporter taping Ferguson protest and Chris Hayes threatened (video) (Original Post) cal04 Aug 2014 OP
They shoot people for jaywalking so.... bravenak Aug 2014 #1
+1 JustAnotherGen Aug 2014 #29
No, no, no... Caijoe Aug 2014 #32
It was funny. bravenak Aug 2014 #33
It was waving at the cops but.... chknltl Aug 2014 #40
To these thugs in uniform, there is not greater threat than a camera. Which is why every citizen sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #45
I think that anytime anyone sees a cop making a stop they need to film it. bravenak Aug 2014 #46
I absolutely agree. I'm bringing mine with me everywhere from now on. It's too bad no one sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #47
It's gone on too long to put the lid on it now. bravenak Aug 2014 #48
I really hope you are right, but my fear is that after a while, a couple of weeks, the media sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #49
I guess the protests need to spread then. bravenak Aug 2014 #50
Move along nothing to see here folks - just the shredding of the constitution FreakinDJ Aug 2014 #2
+1000 grasswire Aug 2014 #3
we do. Ellipsis Aug 2014 #7
Police State blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #4
What... VA_Jill Aug 2014 #22
He sure is... MynameisBlarney Aug 2014 #26
yes, multiple accounts of that coming through bigtree Aug 2014 #5
If that cop had nothing to hide BuelahWitch Aug 2014 #6
Exactly, Buelah Cha Aug 2014 #15
Police riot gordianot Aug 2014 #8
call out the National Guard to protect the people neverforget Aug 2014 #9
+1,000,000 SoapBox Aug 2014 #12
There's no shortage of fascists in Ferguson, that much is plain. Oakenshield Aug 2014 #10
WTF... SoapBox Aug 2014 #11
Still watching his live feed... Moostache Aug 2014 #13
If a Policeman Will Say That Leith Aug 2014 #14
Imagine what they would do to an unarmed young man... maxrandb Aug 2014 #19
Don Lemon made that point as the cops bullied him and pushed him back while he was trying to do tblue37 Aug 2014 #41
I've got to hand it to both him and Jake Tapper. gldstwmn Aug 2014 #56
Police have the right to prevent the media from obstructing their policing ... Kablooie Aug 2014 #16
I love this tweet... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #17
That is a great one. n/t cui bono Aug 2014 #18
Not a measured response but that cameraman did aim a bright spotlight at cops. zonkers Aug 2014 #20
So how far out of control do cops have to get, before the government starts to care? Rex Aug 2014 #21
The government is funding this. woo me with science Aug 2014 #23
Amazing, it is as if they are getting ready for a war against us. Rex Aug 2014 #24
It is a war against us. CrispyQ Aug 2014 #27
"But the Obama administration has since resurrected both programs." CrispyQ Aug 2014 #25
The government doesn't care Dopers_Greed Aug 2014 #28
Sure does seem like it. Locking up reporters, STARTING riots. Rex Aug 2014 #31
Fucking fascists. NuclearDem Aug 2014 #30
Let me guess, the cop in question was their public relations officer Savannahmann Aug 2014 #34
Check this guys dresser drawer . I bet you find white sheets with holes cut out and a pair of geretogo Aug 2014 #35
Well, the police chief has the Confederate Battle Flag hung in his living room. SunSeeker Aug 2014 #36
I did not know that . There you go . geretogo Aug 2014 #37
Why is the flag the only thing that's in color in that picture? Art_from_Ark Aug 2014 #52
Looks like Daily Kos colored it so you can see it better. The original isn't. SunSeeker Aug 2014 #55
by any means necessary. Malcolm X. jonjensen Aug 2014 #38
The real history of the slave becoming free includes the aftermath jtuck004 Aug 2014 #44
This whole situation is just more justification for... nikto Aug 2014 #39
Time to put some teeth into the first amendment bl968 Aug 2014 #42
What exactly is wrong with these idiots? tavalon Aug 2014 #43
KICK Cha Aug 2014 #51
What is it with these Neanderthal cops? High on steroids & Viagra? Divernan Aug 2014 #53
so imagine what these goons did when they thought no one was watching samsingh Aug 2014 #54
Instead, he will be fired. Hopefully. Helen Borg Aug 2014 #57
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
1. They shoot people for jaywalking so....
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 12:04 AM
Aug 2014

They better shuck and jive their way outta there before they get 'arrested' for attacking police with their camera work. Those cameras are grabbing for their weapons.

chknltl

(10,558 posts)
40. It was waving at the cops but....
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 08:59 PM
Aug 2014

...it failed to use all of it's fingers. Cops are nit-picky like that. Welcome to the DU Caijoe

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
45. To these thugs in uniform, there is not greater threat than a camera. Which is why every citizen
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 01:52 AM
Aug 2014

should arm themselves with cameras. Clearly they have a whole lot to hide.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
46. I think that anytime anyone sees a cop making a stop they need to film it.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 01:58 AM
Aug 2014

From ALL angles. They are truly the danger on the streets.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
47. I absolutely agree. I'm bringing mine with me everywhere from now on. It's too bad no one
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 02:01 AM
Aug 2014

filmed the shooting of the teenager, Mike. I don't believe a word the police say. I believe the witnesses but sadly I don't have much hope that justice will be done in this case anymore than it has been in most of the others.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
49. I really hope you are right, but my fear is that after a while, a couple of weeks, the media
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 02:16 AM
Aug 2014

will move on, as they always do. In fact, to give them credit, a few of them, Anderson Cooper I believe, said just that tonight, that when something like this happens 'we in the media cover it for a while, and then we move forward'.

As I said, I hope you are right.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
50. I guess the protests need to spread then.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 02:20 AM
Aug 2014

I suppose we need one in every major city and an town that wants to stand up for Ferguson. Be nice if we knew some 'community organizers'.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
11. WTF...
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 01:02 AM
Aug 2014

Police Militia Terrorists are out of control.

And to think, they are paid for and funded by taxes taken from citizens...seems some priorities are really messed.

Moostache

(9,897 posts)
13. Still watching his live feed...
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 01:14 AM
Aug 2014

The police just told him again that he is going to "get yourself shot" while driving to a location the STATE POLICE TOLD HIM TO GO!

These hair trigger "peace" officers are a national hazard. I want to see the National Guard deployed between the people and this incompetent group of thugs in uniforms and covered badges.

Leith

(7,813 posts)
14. If a Policeman Will Say That
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 01:24 AM
Aug 2014

to the media with the camera or recorder running, imagine what they would do to a protestor in secret.

This is freakin' unbelievable.

maxrandb

(15,349 posts)
19. Imagine what they would do to an unarmed young man...
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 08:29 AM
Aug 2014

especially if given the opportunity to get away with it.

WTF has happened to this country? We've give everyone the "right" to kill ANYONE as long as they perceive that person as a threat...AND WE'VE DEFINED "THREAT" AS WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU SAY IT IS

This won't stop until we as a society end this "justifiable homicide" bullshit. This isn't a fucking war zone...it's a fucking American community. This officer needs a looooooooongggggggg prison term. Even if he felt threatened...ONE GUN SHOT IS ENOUGH! 5-6 more from 20-30 feet away is murder.

We used to "demand" that all options were pursued before we authorized "deadly" force. Now, it's the go to option.

and I know it sucks, but part of being a cop means you are inherently takings risks. That's part of the job you signed up for. Just because an officer got shot through a door serving a warrant, doesn't mean that you get to kick down every door you come to with guns blazing.

This is what happens when we allow people to see everyone as a threat.

tblue37

(65,483 posts)
41. Don Lemon made that point as the cops bullied him and pushed him back while he was trying to do
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:04 PM
Aug 2014

a live report on camera. Lemon said that if the cops were willing to behave that way against him while live on national TV, imagine what they might be willing to do when no one was watching.

gldstwmn

(4,575 posts)
56. I've got to hand it to both him and Jake Tapper.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 11:48 AM
Aug 2014

They've been doing an excellent job the last couple of days. They are not sugar coating it in the least. He is absolutely right. Also I'm disturbed that no one is identifying all of these "gunshot victims" we keep hearing about. Who are they and who exactly is shooting at them? Was this a nightly occurance in Ferguson before?

Kablooie

(18,641 posts)
16. Police have the right to prevent the media from obstructing their policing ...
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 02:01 AM
Aug 2014

which, of course, is the excuse they would use.

But I wonder what are the legal ramifications of threatening someone this way to get them to comply with orders if you never carry out the threat?

Using the threat of lethal force without the intention of using it might be argued as a legal non-violent technique to enforce safety.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
17. I love this tweet...
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 02:17 AM
Aug 2014
Graby Sauce - Gabrielle Bluestone
8/18/14 12:06am

Sooooo . . . . what exactly are the police and the governor trying to accomplish with the curfew and this show of force? They aren't making the protest or protesters go away, and they haven't succeeded in protecting property. They have made everyone disdain them, and they have succeeded in making themselves look violent, racist, cruel, and near psychopathic. If their mission was to demonstrate to the world how a police officer could have the mindset that would allow him to shoot an unarmed man, then MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.


 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
21. So how far out of control do cops have to get, before the government starts to care?
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:44 AM
Aug 2014

How many people have to die from police brutality, before something is done to stop this madness?

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
23. The government is funding this.
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:47 AM
Aug 2014
ACLU launches nationwide police militarization investigation
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/06/aclu-police-militarization-swat_n_2813334.html

It's almost certain that if the police agencies cooperate, the ACLU will find that the militarization trend has accelerated since Kraska's studies more than a decade ago. All of the policies, incentives and funding mechanisms that were driving the trend then are still in effect now. And most of them have grown in size and scope.

The George W. Bush administration actually began scaling down the Byrne and COPS programs in the early 2000s, part of a general strategy of leaving law enforcement to states and localities. But the Obama administration has since resurrected both programs. The Byrne program got a $2 billion surge in funding as part of the 2009 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, by far the largest budget in the program's 25-year history. Obama also gave the COPS program $1.55 billion that same year, a 250 percent increase over its 2008 budget, and again the largest budget in the program's history. Vice President Joe Biden had championed both programs during his time in the Senate.

The Pentagon's 1033 program has also exploded under Obama. In the program's monthly newsletter (Motto: "From Warfighter to Crimefighter&quot , its director announced in October 2011 that his office had given away a record $500 million in military gear in fiscal year 2011, which he noted, "passes the previous mark by several hundred million dollars." He added, "I believe we can exceed that in FY 12.”

Then there are the Department of Homeland Security's anti-terrorism grants. The Center for Investigative Reporting found in a 2011 investigation that since 2001, DHS has given out more than $34 billion in grants to police departments across the country, many of which have been used to purchase military-grade guns, tanks, armor, and armored personnel carriers. The grants have gone to such unlikely terrorism targets as Fargo, N.D.; Canyon County, Idaho; and Tuscaloosa, Ala.


Link to the final ACLU report on militarization of police in America
https://www.aclu.org/criminal-law-reform/war-comes-home-excessive-militarization-american-police-report
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
24. Amazing, it is as if they are getting ready for a war against us.
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:52 AM
Aug 2014

Sick. I had no idea! Thanks woo...that is horrible and no doubt the trend will continue.

CrispyQ

(36,502 posts)
27. It is a war against us.
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 10:04 AM
Aug 2014

They are preparing for when big oil has contaminated all the water with fracking & the XL pipeline & when climate change has turned the world's bread basket into Death Valley. Back in the 30s we had rationing. People were given stamp booklets to get their allotted share of goods. There will be no such rationing in the future - resources will be rationed by who can afford it. America is a harsh, cruel society.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
31. Sure does seem like it. Locking up reporters, STARTING riots.
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 02:04 PM
Aug 2014

The govt just looks at us as domesticated animals. Numbers in a book somewhere. We shall see if they treat reporters the same way...oh wait, they just did.

geretogo

(1,281 posts)
35. Check this guys dresser drawer . I bet you find white sheets with holes cut out and a pair of
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 02:45 PM
Aug 2014

scissors with a picture of Mussolini on the dresser .

SunSeeker

(51,664 posts)
55. Looks like Daily Kos colored it so you can see it better. The original isn't.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 11:37 AM
Aug 2014

Just Google "Ferguson Police Chief Confederate Flag" and you will see lots of articles on it, including the original black & white image Anonymous obtained.

 

jonjensen

(168 posts)
38. by any means necessary. Malcolm X.
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 06:48 PM
Aug 2014

This is the first major race riot in the south we will see how it runs its course. Interesting as mr spock says. Do not fear in the presence of free men tremble in the presence of slaves when they break their chains!

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
44. The real history of the slave becoming free includes the aftermath
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 01:48 AM
Aug 2014

which was deadly for a great number. In many states with voting taken away for another hundred years and the sharecropping system which guaranteed control by the white majority, the only threat was in the minds of the people who used to profit from slavery.

Imho, freed slaves only act like that on t.v., where the quote came from

The Malcom X quotelet, on the other hand, was from a speech he gave after he came back and disavowed racism and embraced cooperation. A lot of context that makes it sound a little different than it does alone, by itself, I think. But that's just me.

I think, if Malcom X had not been murdered the most interesting part of his life was yet to come. His most fiery rhetoric, intended to wake people, leaned on that "if they touch you put them in the cemetery" as a reasonable alternative in the day of being killed by white people with no consequence to them. (Maybe more than today.).

Most of what people remember was his reactive behavior, his fiery speech. Like throwing a rock or a burning a building, ot wasn't really part of a long-term strategy - as he said, he was a "zombie". More a tactic born of the moment. And as people know there were white people in the movements here in his time, before and after, but in some groups their efforts were not acknowledged, seen as being part of what people were trying to let go, regardless of what one thinks of that, since that's not the point.

But after Malcom X came back from South Africa where he experienced white and black people working together he seemed to have realized that we were in this together, and our opponents were the wealthy. That would have been a much more interesting fight, and his killers may have changed history for the worse for a lot of people. He dropped the racism, and created an institute for cooperation in this arena.

So that "by any means necessary" was at the beginning of what may have been his developing real strategy, looking further than the moment.
as others were on other fronts.

I think, if he were alive today, he would gather the looters and rioters together and quit playing into the organized police force, and instead find a way to dis-organize the racist town and police force. If he and Saul Alinsky had worked together... And humor. Humor would be good.

Maybe get them and tens of thousands of people press passes and watch the fun

Maybe start manufacturing balloons of a pair of raised hands so that black people can carry them where the police have some advance notice they are coming? Make the whole country look foolish.

Oh, and they have to pick them up in Ferguson. They could bring buses. Lots of buses. And have ice cream socials. Prove that black people aren't scary.

Maybe tens of thousands of naked people with our hands up to prove they aren't a threat. Want to see how it looks teargassing those people?

Humor. Dis-organizing what is already organized against you. Long-term thinking that really changes things

Not looting, burning. Those are things done by people in prison when they get pissed off and they have no hope and KNOW the change will be minimal if any. Which is the same as these people can expect.

They get hope, however, look out, because they will bring that same commitment, and change shit. And that would be a very good thing. (Some of those reports sound like there are some orgs stepping up to do that).

 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
39. This whole situation is just more justification for...
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 08:10 PM
Aug 2014

Giving lots and lots of weaponized DRONES
to local police depts in America.

I'm sure they'd use them responsibly
to protect and serve our freedoms.

bl968

(360 posts)
42. Time to put some teeth into the first amendment
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:12 PM
Aug 2014

We need to severely sanction any officer (10 years in prison, $100,000 fine) and police department ($10,000,000 fine) that interferes with the freedom of the media to do their job. This reporter was told that a officer would shoot him because he was doing his job. The same needs to apply to police interference with a peaceful protest.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
43. What exactly is wrong with these idiots?
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 11:59 PM
Aug 2014

Do they not know they are being watched by, well, everyone? All over the world. That's just dumbass.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
53. What is it with these Neanderthal cops? High on steroids & Viagra?
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 08:41 AM
Aug 2014

Do qualification tests set a maximum allowable IQ, i.e, of 2 digits? Don't these idiots understand how anyone with a cell phone can record them?

I live in an quiet, suburban neighborhood. My steep and deep back yard borders a public park. I recently heard 2 gunshots (late afternoon) from the back and called the local cops. The no-neck, buzz-cut, youngish cop who returned my 911 call had the following responses:

Him: "Well, did you go out and look?"
Me: "No, and I'm not going to ."

Him: "Well, what do you want me to do?"
Me: "First you should check the park to make sure no one's shot, or saw anyone with a gun."
Him: "Do you want me to come to your house?"
Me: "Yes, AFTER you check the park."

At no point did he tell me to stay inside and away from windows. (Basic law enforcement 101)

He eventually showed up (that's how I know about the no-neck, buzz-cut hair) and told me everything was all right at the park. I insisted he walk into the back yard with me. He said it was probably just an air rifle, as if they couldn't hurt anyone. I told him I'd taken a rifle range course from a Marine gunnery sergeant; had experience with hand guns, rifles and even a shotgun, and knew the difference between the sounds of an air rifle and real guns. Then he told me the woods on my lot were so thick that a bullet wouldn't travel through them anyway.

You know how sometimes you're so stunned by someone's blatant stupidity that you don't respond? Later I thought I should have said, look - you're not in Kandahar Province anymore, where a couple of stray shots may not be any big deal. If you want to be a cop where residents hide under their beds and don't report gunshots, this is not the town for you.

I sit on a township board - no meetings during the summer, but come fall I will follow up on this with the town manager. I'm skipping the police chief, because I learned my neighbors reported the same gunfire incident to him and he was rude and abrupt with them - didn't want to hear about it.

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