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http://www.vox.com/2014/8/17/6029739/video-police-threatens-to-shoot-reporter-taping-ferguson-protests?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=voxdotcom&utm_content=sunday#ooid=5sZ2Nwbzoa54nQHPRIpGI8H5XzPNiRPvA police officer threatened to shoot a reporter taping a live stream of protests in Ferguson, Missouri. The moment was caught on tape by KARG Argus Radio in St. Louis at Livestream.com:
In the video, a police officer can be heard yelling to a reporter, "Get the fuck out of here or I will shoot you."
Chris Hayes being threatened (video)
Also threatened by police Sunday night was MSNBC's Chris Hayes, who was filming when police told him, "Media do not pass us, you're getting maced next time you pass us."
http://gawker.com/ferguson-police-threaten-to-shoot-reporter-and-mace-chr-1623125660/+gabriellebluestone
Video of the reporter too
bravenak
(34,648 posts)They better shuck and jive their way outta there before they get 'arrested' for attacking police with their camera work. Those cameras are grabbing for their weapons.
JustAnotherGen
(31,870 posts)Caijoe
(20 posts)The camera wasn't grabbing for weapons, it was resisting arrest.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I feel guilty for laughing.
chknltl
(10,558 posts)...it failed to use all of it's fingers. Cops are nit-picky like that. Welcome to the DU Caijoe
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)should arm themselves with cameras. Clearly they have a whole lot to hide.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)From ALL angles. They are truly the danger on the streets.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)filmed the shooting of the teenager, Mike. I don't believe a word the police say. I believe the witnesses but sadly I don't have much hope that justice will be done in this case anymore than it has been in most of the others.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)If nothing happens, something bad will happen.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)will move on, as they always do. In fact, to give them credit, a few of them, Anderson Cooper I believe, said just that tonight, that when something like this happens 'we in the media cover it for a while, and then we move forward'.
As I said, I hope you are right.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I suppose we need one in every major city and an town that wants to stand up for Ferguson. Be nice if we knew some 'community organizers'.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)hooray for video capture.
Do we know who the reporter is?
He was running the live stream for Argus radio...over 40,000 people heard it live.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)VA_Jill
(9,994 posts)like calling out the National Guard???
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)To contain the people, not the cops.
This is going to be fucking ugly.
bigtree
(86,005 posts)thanks for the thread, cal
BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)he'd let the fourth estate do its job.
Cha
(297,574 posts)gordianot
(15,243 posts)neverforget
(9,436 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Oakenshield
(614 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Police Militia Terrorists are out of control.
And to think, they are paid for and funded by taxes taken from citizens...seems some priorities are really messed.
Moostache
(9,897 posts)The police just told him again that he is going to "get yourself shot" while driving to a location the STATE POLICE TOLD HIM TO GO!
These hair trigger "peace" officers are a national hazard. I want to see the National Guard deployed between the people and this incompetent group of thugs in uniforms and covered badges.
Leith
(7,813 posts)to the media with the camera or recorder running, imagine what they would do to a protestor in secret.
This is freakin' unbelievable.
maxrandb
(15,349 posts)especially if given the opportunity to get away with it.
WTF has happened to this country? We've give everyone the "right" to kill ANYONE as long as they perceive that person as a threat...AND WE'VE DEFINED "THREAT" AS WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU SAY IT IS
This won't stop until we as a society end this "justifiable homicide" bullshit. This isn't a fucking war zone...it's a fucking American community. This officer needs a looooooooongggggggg prison term. Even if he felt threatened...ONE GUN SHOT IS ENOUGH! 5-6 more from 20-30 feet away is murder.
We used to "demand" that all options were pursued before we authorized "deadly" force. Now, it's the go to option.
and I know it sucks, but part of being a cop means you are inherently takings risks. That's part of the job you signed up for. Just because an officer got shot through a door serving a warrant, doesn't mean that you get to kick down every door you come to with guns blazing.
This is what happens when we allow people to see everyone as a threat.
tblue37
(65,483 posts)a live report on camera. Lemon said that if the cops were willing to behave that way against him while live on national TV, imagine what they might be willing to do when no one was watching.
gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)They've been doing an excellent job the last couple of days. They are not sugar coating it in the least. He is absolutely right. Also I'm disturbed that no one is identifying all of these "gunshot victims" we keep hearing about. Who are they and who exactly is shooting at them? Was this a nightly occurance in Ferguson before?
Kablooie
(18,641 posts)which, of course, is the excuse they would use.
But I wonder what are the legal ramifications of threatening someone this way to get them to comply with orders if you never carry out the threat?
Using the threat of lethal force without the intention of using it might be argued as a legal non-violent technique to enforce safety.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)8/18/14 12:06am
Sooooo . . . . what exactly are the police and the governor trying to accomplish with the curfew and this show of force? They aren't making the protest or protesters go away, and they haven't succeeded in protecting property. They have made everyone disdain them, and they have succeeded in making themselves look violent, racist, cruel, and near psychopathic. If their mission was to demonstrate to the world how a police officer could have the mindset that would allow him to shoot an unarmed man, then MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)zonkers
(5,865 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)How many people have to die from police brutality, before something is done to stop this madness?
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/06/aclu-police-militarization-swat_n_2813334.html
It's almost certain that if the police agencies cooperate, the ACLU will find that the militarization trend has accelerated since Kraska's studies more than a decade ago. All of the policies, incentives and funding mechanisms that were driving the trend then are still in effect now. And most of them have grown in size and scope.
The George W. Bush administration actually began scaling down the Byrne and COPS programs in the early 2000s, part of a general strategy of leaving law enforcement to states and localities. But the Obama administration has since resurrected both programs. The Byrne program got a $2 billion surge in funding as part of the 2009 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, by far the largest budget in the program's 25-year history. Obama also gave the COPS program $1.55 billion that same year, a 250 percent increase over its 2008 budget, and again the largest budget in the program's history. Vice President Joe Biden had championed both programs during his time in the Senate.
The Pentagon's 1033 program has also exploded under Obama. In the program's monthly newsletter (Motto: "From Warfighter to Crimefighter" , its director announced in October 2011 that his office had given away a record $500 million in military gear in fiscal year 2011, which he noted, "passes the previous mark by several hundred million dollars." He added, "I believe we can exceed that in FY 12.
Then there are the Department of Homeland Security's anti-terrorism grants. The Center for Investigative Reporting found in a 2011 investigation that since 2001, DHS has given out more than $34 billion in grants to police departments across the country, many of which have been used to purchase military-grade guns, tanks, armor, and armored personnel carriers. The grants have gone to such unlikely terrorism targets as Fargo, N.D.; Canyon County, Idaho; and Tuscaloosa, Ala.
Link to the final ACLU report on militarization of police in America
https://www.aclu.org/criminal-law-reform/war-comes-home-excessive-militarization-american-police-report
Rex
(65,616 posts)Sick. I had no idea! Thanks woo...that is horrible and no doubt the trend will continue.
CrispyQ
(36,502 posts)They are preparing for when big oil has contaminated all the water with fracking & the XL pipeline & when climate change has turned the world's bread basket into Death Valley. Back in the 30s we had rationing. People were given stamp booklets to get their allotted share of goods. There will be no such rationing in the future - resources will be rationed by who can afford it. America is a harsh, cruel society.
CrispyQ
(36,502 posts)And what will hawk Hillary do?
Dopers_Greed
(2,640 posts)The police are a domestically deployed army.
Rex
(65,616 posts)The govt just looks at us as domesticated animals. Numbers in a book somewhere. We shall see if they treat reporters the same way...oh wait, they just did.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)geretogo
(1,281 posts)scissors with a picture of Mussolini on the dresser .
SunSeeker
(51,664 posts)( scroll down to near end bottom of article for pic of flag)
geretogo
(1,281 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)SunSeeker
(51,664 posts)Just Google "Ferguson Police Chief Confederate Flag" and you will see lots of articles on it, including the original black & white image Anonymous obtained.
jonjensen
(168 posts)This is the first major race riot in the south we will see how it runs its course. Interesting as mr spock says. Do not fear in the presence of free men tremble in the presence of slaves when they break their chains!
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)which was deadly for a great number. In many states with voting taken away for another hundred years and the sharecropping system which guaranteed control by the white majority, the only threat was in the minds of the people who used to profit from slavery.
Imho, freed slaves only act like that on t.v., where the quote came from
The Malcom X quotelet, on the other hand, was from a speech he gave after he came back and disavowed racism and embraced cooperation. A lot of context that makes it sound a little different than it does alone, by itself, I think. But that's just me.
I think, if Malcom X had not been murdered the most interesting part of his life was yet to come. His most fiery rhetoric, intended to wake people, leaned on that "if they touch you put them in the cemetery" as a reasonable alternative in the day of being killed by white people with no consequence to them. (Maybe more than today.).
Most of what people remember was his reactive behavior, his fiery speech. Like throwing a rock or a burning a building, ot wasn't really part of a long-term strategy - as he said, he was a "zombie". More a tactic born of the moment. And as people know there were white people in the movements here in his time, before and after, but in some groups their efforts were not acknowledged, seen as being part of what people were trying to let go, regardless of what one thinks of that, since that's not the point.
But after Malcom X came back from South Africa where he experienced white and black people working together he seemed to have realized that we were in this together, and our opponents were the wealthy. That would have been a much more interesting fight, and his killers may have changed history for the worse for a lot of people. He dropped the racism, and created an institute for cooperation in this arena.
So that "by any means necessary" was at the beginning of what may have been his developing real strategy, looking further than the moment.
as others were on other fronts.
I think, if he were alive today, he would gather the looters and rioters together and quit playing into the organized police force, and instead find a way to dis-organize the racist town and police force. If he and Saul Alinsky had worked together... And humor. Humor would be good.
Maybe get them and tens of thousands of people press passes and watch the fun
Maybe start manufacturing balloons of a pair of raised hands so that black people can carry them where the police have some advance notice they are coming? Make the whole country look foolish.
Oh, and they have to pick them up in Ferguson. They could bring buses. Lots of buses. And have ice cream socials. Prove that black people aren't scary.
Maybe tens of thousands of naked people with our hands up to prove they aren't a threat. Want to see how it looks teargassing those people?
Humor. Dis-organizing what is already organized against you. Long-term thinking that really changes things
Not looting, burning. Those are things done by people in prison when they get pissed off and they have no hope and KNOW the change will be minimal if any. Which is the same as these people can expect.
They get hope, however, look out, because they will bring that same commitment, and change shit. And that would be a very good thing. (Some of those reports sound like there are some orgs stepping up to do that).
nikto
(3,284 posts)Giving lots and lots of weaponized DRONES
to local police depts in America.
I'm sure they'd use them responsibly
to protect and serve our freedoms.
bl968
(360 posts)We need to severely sanction any officer (10 years in prison, $100,000 fine) and police department ($10,000,000 fine) that interferes with the freedom of the media to do their job. This reporter was told that a officer would shoot him because he was doing his job. The same needs to apply to police interference with a peaceful protest.
tavalon
(27,985 posts)Do they not know they are being watched by, well, everyone? All over the world. That's just dumbass.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Do qualification tests set a maximum allowable IQ, i.e, of 2 digits? Don't these idiots understand how anyone with a cell phone can record them?
I live in an quiet, suburban neighborhood. My steep and deep back yard borders a public park. I recently heard 2 gunshots (late afternoon) from the back and called the local cops. The no-neck, buzz-cut, youngish cop who returned my 911 call had the following responses:
Him: "Well, did you go out and look?"
Me: "No, and I'm not going to ."
Him: "Well, what do you want me to do?"
Me: "First you should check the park to make sure no one's shot, or saw anyone with a gun."
Him: "Do you want me to come to your house?"
Me: "Yes, AFTER you check the park."
At no point did he tell me to stay inside and away from windows. (Basic law enforcement 101)
He eventually showed up (that's how I know about the no-neck, buzz-cut hair) and told me everything was all right at the park. I insisted he walk into the back yard with me. He said it was probably just an air rifle, as if they couldn't hurt anyone. I told him I'd taken a rifle range course from a Marine gunnery sergeant; had experience with hand guns, rifles and even a shotgun, and knew the difference between the sounds of an air rifle and real guns. Then he told me the woods on my lot were so thick that a bullet wouldn't travel through them anyway.
You know how sometimes you're so stunned by someone's blatant stupidity that you don't respond? Later I thought I should have said, look - you're not in Kandahar Province anymore, where a couple of stray shots may not be any big deal. If you want to be a cop where residents hide under their beds and don't report gunshots, this is not the town for you.
I sit on a township board - no meetings during the summer, but come fall I will follow up on this with the town manager. I'm skipping the police chief, because I learned my neighbors reported the same gunfire incident to him and he was rude and abrupt with them - didn't want to hear about it.