I still do not trust Rand Paul and his pseudo, new found moderate attitude. eom

[mfcorey1]

[MineralMan]

1. Nobody should trust Rand Paul, or his dad, either.

Rand Paul is a lying scumbag.

[Jackpine Radical]

27. I trust Rand Paul.

I trust scorpions to be scorpions.

I trust psychopaths to have no conscience.

I trust KKKarl Rove to be KKKarl Rove.

I trust Rand Paul to be Rand Paul.

In the meantime, if he says a couple of rational things about cops or drug enforcement or wars, I take heart in thinking that there is some self-serving interest that he perceives in doing so, and that interest reflects the opinions of some of the otherwise benighted people to whom he appeals.

I take heart because perhaps, on those few issues, it is possible to form a very limited and specific common-cause alliance and actually make some progress.

[JaneyVee]

2. Good call.

[Pholus]

3. Election season is ramping up.

Triangulation demands that moderate statements be made.

Be happy, it means that their own polling is showing that Tea Party extremism is not the way to go if you want to win.

[Gothmog]

4. Paul is not to be trusted

the man is an idiot and a liar. I really think that Rand Paul thinks that he is brighter than we are and so he can get by with lies

[malthaussen]

11. Rand Paul read too much Heinlein as a youth...

... and understood none of it. He thinks he's Lazarus Long.

Or, not. But that's how I see it.

-- Mal

[Jackpine Radical]

29. Well, he IS brighter than his followers.

It takes some brains to cheat your way through medical school, after all.

[FarPoint]

5. Hell no I don't trust him...

[NuclearDem]

6. I don't know, I kind of liked his last speech.

"And our little girl, Tricia, the six year old, named it Checkers...."

[malthaussen]

12. LOL

Good thing I wasn't holding my coffee cup when I read that.

-- Mal

[ChisolmTrailDem]

23. I a bit behind this morning, can you please explain why that's funny? Thx in adv. nt

[NuclearDem]

25. Plagiarism.

[Jackpine Radical]

30. Nixon, the Checkers speech

when he fought off scandal & stayed on Ike's ticket in '56.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

38. Too bad Tricky Dick didn't keep his promise to go away.

"You won't have Dick Nixon to kick around anymore". I think that was in 1960 after he lost to Kennedy in a squeaker.

[Jackpine Radical]

44. I think '62 when he lost the governor's race to Pat Brown (Jerry's father).

[Thinkingabout]

7. He can say he is on different sides on many issues. He answers according to what he thinks the

listeners wants to hear. Like the method the Pauls take when placing ear marks on bills they know will pass then vote against the bill so they can say they never voted for spending increases and take the earmark and run back home saying look what I got for you. They have been involved on the dark side of civil rights, I still do not know or understand where Rand Paul stands on this issue.

[SummerSnow]

8. I don't trust him either, he desperately wants the black vote.

[Faux pas]

9. Agreed! n/t

[djean111]

10. I cannot imagine that anyone here at DU trusts him.

Although I have noticed that "Rand Paul Lover" is flung about sometimes, at people who do not care for Hillary.

[lunasun]

13. It works well on some of the younger voters...

[mfcorey1]

14. Not when a Dreamer walks up and he takes off running like Wiley E. Coyote.

[Bluenorthwest]

22. If they are white, straight and unconcerned with women's rights, maybe.

But frankly, that sort is always running off with one Republican or another.

[lunasun]

42. Yes and upper middle class and above weed smoking mesmerized by Rand novels young men

But they do tend to vote! Sad but true

[MohRokTah]

15. IF nominated, he could win with his phony assed bullshit.

Fortunately, I doubt he'll be capable of getting past any of the primaries on the GOP side. He's alienated the Baggers completely.

[Savannahmann]

17. I disagree

I think he will be the nominee. Here's why. First, he's a long time advocate for smaller government. The Tea Baggers love that, because it means less oversight to make sure they are being fair towards people. Second, he's an advocate for basically zero war, the pro peace people who are not tied to the Democratic party can contrast that with Hillary's slightly modified McCain style bomb them all stance and he'll peel a few off.

Then we get to the NSA and spying on the citizens. Paul is a long time advocate for serious restraint, and the privacy minded who are not Democrats first will peel off.

If he's nominated, we stand a good chance of losing the Presidential Election unless we run someone with a hell of a track record for Civil Rights and restraint.

Then there's the legalization of drugs. Paul is in favor of legalizing Marijuana. If he promises to do what only the President can, and pardon all those convicted of Marijuana offenses, he'll pull the legalization crowd big time.

See where I'm going? He's on the populist side of several issues. Perhaps not the wise side, but the populist side of several issues. So people want legalization, he'll give it to them if elected. People want their privacy respected. He'll give it to them.

Now what I think would happen if he got into office is he'd ramp all those things up and increase the spying, but enough people would say he wouldn't that he stands a very good chance of getting elected. If he figures out a populist message on immigration, he'll be tough to beat.

[Jackpine Radical]

31. I don't think he'll be the nominee

simply because the Big Guys don't want him. They need a warhawk, they need someone to keep the prison industry going, they need to keep the police forces open as a market for high-class weoponry.

[MoonchildCA]

41. Which is why the neocons...

...and the industrial war machine will do everything in their power to destroy him.

[madokie]

16. Trust rand paul at your own risk

in fact the word trust and rand paul don't belong on the same page. If the truth was known that is

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

18. He's still an imbecile. But I understand that the ferret living on his head has written

some interesting policy papers.

[winter is coming]

19. I can't imagine ever trusting Rand Paul.

Or wanting to.

[Liberal_from_va34]

20. Neither Ron nor Rand Paul are to be trusted whatsoever.

Their "policies" would turn our country into Somalia overnight. Sadly, too many people are focused on their policies on pot, and pretty much ignore the rest of their racist, backwards views. Thankfully, neither Paul will be in office anytime soon.

[mfcorey1]

21. Welcome to DU!

[woo me with science]

24. Easy fix for Democrats.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025223923#post7

Corporate Democrats are obsessed with Libertarians and Libertarian-leaning Republicans only because they expose those Democrats' betrayal of voters on the issues they should own. The only reason any Libertarians get attention at all is because they say some of the right things re: reining in warmongering, curbing the drug wars, and stopping the outrageous surveillance state. People do NOT like their willingness to scrap social programs and gut Social Security.

All Democrats would have to do is re-embrace the policies they were *supposed* to stand for all along. Stop the outrageous corporate war on marijuana and marijuana users. Stop pandering to the corporate One Percent with private prisons and draconian drug policies and a fascistic surveillance state. Be the party that not only ends the spying and the warmongering and the outrageous drug wars for profit, but also reins in Wall Street, restores our Constitution, reduces inequality, and STRENGTHENS social safety nets.

Those who whine about Libertarians while excusing the corporate sellout of our own party are part of the problem. Third Way Democrats would not have to worry about Libertarians at all if they would crawl out of their corporate Masters' pockets for long enough to own the issues they SHOULD own.

[Jackpine Radical]

34. Absolutely on the money, Woo.

[TheKentuckian]

35. They have no such intention or even inclination, hence stuck hollering fuck some idiotic, pseudo

libertarian rather than owning his marketing hooks cutting him off at the knees and defusing him completely.

They seriously refuse to and when they find the public on the other side of them on civil liberties and the drug war and take a hit for it they will blame everyone on Earth but themselves, refuse to accept reality, and as always take it as a reason to become more reactionary and conservative.

It is already in evidence, there is no "we need to fix this, this the correct policy, these are our issues and we aren't going to let some snake oil salesman with a bad rug steal them out from under us", instead it is circling the wagons for the surveillance state, beating war drums, every excuse on Earth for continuing the failed and stupid drug war, and haughty derision.

[bluestateguy]

26. We don't have to trust him

But if he is right on an issue: no NSA wiretapping, no police militarization, then we should welcome his support.

Unfortunately, policies don't usually change unless at least some conservatives give their blessing. Just the way things are.

[woo me with science]

28. Very well said. nt

[L0oniX]

33. Broken clock ...blah blah blah ...I'll accept the 2 times it is right.

[L0oniX]

32. I don't trust most of "all" the politicians.

[wandy]

36. Once a "neck stomper" allays a "neck stomper".................

I do not believe there is any "progressive" position this member of the libertarian branch of the GOP would not change, if the price was right.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

37. But he's Glenn Greenwald's candidate

Something GG fans on this board tend to ignore.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

39. Why is he worried about black people all of a sudden?

Before, he said he would not be in favor of the Civil Rights Act and argued that private businesses have the right to discriminate against anyone they feel like discriminating against.

This sounds like the usual craven opportunism.

His dad was a shitty doctor (ob-gyn) in Lake Jackson, Texas, back in the 1970s and I heard about him.

[AgingAmerican]

47. He called racism

"A bad business decision"

Code words for 'No problem with it otherwise'.

[ZombieHorde]

40. I don't trust him either. nt

[wheniwasincongress]

43. He denies he ever said this/believed in it

When will an interviewer show him this video? I want to see video of Rand watching himself and then trying to explain or blame away.

[gollygee]

45. You shouldn't

Rick Snyder played the same game here in MI and he sure turned around as soon as he was elected.

[Cha]

46. Rand Paul quoted on "misinformation".. Anybody that damn dumb..

So lying works, Senator? yeah, I'll just bet it does with all the fucking practice you have under your belt.