I no longer support collective bargaining rights for cops

[bluestateguy]

Thank you.

And good night.

[linuxman]

1. The purity brigade thanks you.

[Sherman A1]

2. Excellent!

You are certainly entitled to your opinions, as I am entitled to us the ignore feature.

Good Day to You.

[BainsBane]

3. Right, because deciding people we don't like

shouldn't be represented by unions is the way to increase unions and the strength of the working class in America.

[Exultant Democracy]

4. Police Unions are the only unions to regularly endorse republicans.

So in effect they don't support the collective bargaining rights of most other groups.

[WinkyDink]

17. Maybe the FOP has seen the light:

http://blog.workingamerica.org/2012/09/10/national-police-union-refuses-to-endorse-romney-first-such-refusal-in-98-years/

[Violet_Crumble]

5. Why? Collective bargaining's a good thing...

Involving unions to negotiate on behalf of their members is a good thing. The alternative of individual work agreements is a terrible thing...

[rpannier]

6. Disagree

Depriving one set of public employees their right to collective bargaining weakens others

I would ask, "Exactly how does eliminating their collective bargaining rights improve anything?"

[Xipe Totec]

7. You want to lower the quality of cops further? nt

[joshcryer]

10. You want to raise officer quality, stop banning high IQ people.

You cannot become a police officer if you have a high IQ or any remotely intelligent background.

[Arrowood]

11. There is quite a bit of certainty in your post...

That sounds suspiciously like something pulled out of tumblr that folks use to make themselves feel better.

Double points for the superlative as well.

[joshcryer]

13. This is a common practice.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836

The courts have deemed it OK.

[Arrowood]

15. I was aware of that story...

However, I didn't read anything that gave me the impression that it was policy at every police department let alone every law enforcement agency.

[joshcryer]

18. No police department wants a high turnover.

So it's very much likely the policy everywhere. You spend $100k training people, you don't want it to be wasted on higher intelligence who are more likely to quit, simple.

The problem is that they should be going after higher intelligence, people who know the law, at least, back and forth for a given state. But no, that would risk having a high turnaround.

The easiest way to prevent a high turnaround is to increase pay.

[Arrowood]

19. That is your assumption that relies heavily on your bias...

That specific department has/had that policy and some others may as well.

Many other departments are extremely competitive, both during the initial hiring and as the move up the ladder begins.

The idea that only dumb people can be cops is broad brush, obviously incorrect and hyperbolic to say the least. That is something someone says to make themselves feel better and superior.

[joshcryer]

20. Objective data + intuition.

I am probably biased, but I never met an officer I thought was very bright. I've never met one police officer who knew the laws that they were supposed to enforce, for example. During protest I have been able to get out of every single arrest (except for kettling in which case the charges were dropped) by simply announcing the relevant statutes. I could've been talking out of my ass, but they didn't appear to even know what was going on.

It's not "only dumb people." Cops are above average on test scores, the point is that they actively discourage far above average. Which they should instead be encouraging.

[JI7]

12. i haven't heard that but it might explain

Why so many come off as idiots .

[joshcryer]

14. They call it "over qualification" due to higher turnover.

They justify it because of more intelligent people "becoming bored" with the job and quitting, costing taxpayers money for training the individual and then having them quit. This same justification is used with the last in first out policy in teachers. More effective teachers get kicked out because they are more likely to move on from teaching.

[JI7]

8. this is not why cops suck, and it might mean Zimmerman would

be able to become a cop.

so it just shows how bad zimmerman must be that even with all the shitty cops around he still sucks too much to make it there.

[joshcryer]

9. Union buster!

[WinkyDink]

16. I support c.b.r. for all workers.