Darren Wilson had NO KNOWLEDGE of the alleged robbery.

[MohRokTah]

Edited: That came straight from the incompetent racist of a police chief.

That means that any argument of justifiable homicide has been thrown out the window.

Next step, change of venue request when Wilson gets put on trial (and he will) with the claim he cannot get a fair trial in Ferguson.

BTW, that also makes the release of the robbery shit this morning a blatant attack on the victim.

[JJChambers]

1. I thought the robbery wasn't a factor?

Did Michael Brown know that Darren Wilson didn't know about the robbery? We all know that it is going to be portrayed as if Brown was a violent criminal and was being violent with the officer to avoid apprehension.

[MohRokTah]

2. This goes to the mindset of the shooter.

Had he known, the first shot and the shots while fleeing could be argued as justifiable.

He did not know, so that makes arguing those shots were justifiable much more difficult. Shot one, maybe. Fleeing shots? Highly unlikely.

Regardless, once he stopped and put his hands in the air to surrender, every shot fired from that point on was illegal, and the result was felony murder.

[JJChambers]

6. You're being optimistic

If Brown was violent with the officer while trying to avoid being apprehended for the robbery, all the officer need say is that he fired the first shots while Brown was beating him in his car, and that Brown was "digging in his waistband" for the out of car shots. One of the two witnesses already has lost credibility. If dirt comes up on the female witness, the officer will walk.

[MohRokTah]

7. Eyewitnesses say different.

That's the big reason they released the alleged robbery shit, to call into doubt the credibility of Dorian Johnson.

Their problem is Tiffany Mitchell. Expect the cops to smear her soon.

It's also come out somebody was live tweeting the incident and the tweets corroborate the stories of Johnson and Mitchell.

[L0oniX]

14. Yep ...she had sex once or uses a stripper poll or cheated on a school test.

[uponit7771]

44. they'll go as low as she was late to kindergarten once...

[TeamPooka]

48. or suddenly arrested on a drug charge. (with planted evidence, they feel like that kind of PD)

[bbgrunt]

57. ...or she has boxes in her garage.

[Scootaloo]

58. Worse, maybe she has a dialect other than White Midwest Standard!

[CoffeeCat]

49. Except, people are alleging that the time stamps on the "robbery" footage...

…are from June and not August.

If this is true, the police went fishing for anything to corroborate the shooting.

I guess we will know more as the facts unfold.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ferguson-michael-brown-robbery-conspiracy-theory

"A conspiracy theory about the security camera footage of Michael Brown shoplifting from a convenience store minutes before he was shot by a Ferguson police officer on Saturday is making the rounds on Twitter. It alleges the footage is more than two months old.

The theory, which seems largely contained to random users on Twitter, comes amid serious questions about the official record in the case.

Ferguson police released a report Friday that stated Brown was the "primary suspect" in the robbery of some cigars from a convenience store that occurred minutes before he was shot. It included a number of stills taken from the store's security camera.

The Twitter theory alleges that the timestamp on the footage is from June 9, 2014 -- not August 9, 2014, when the robbery allegedly occurred. In TPM's own review of online postings of the images, it appears to be an 8 rather than a 6 as the theory alleges."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ferguson-michael-brown-robbery-conspiracy-theory

[MohRokTah]

50. The timestamps are 8, not 6

Watch the video. It's clear as a bell. Every time somebody walks through the timestamp you can see it VERY clearly.

The pictures were a bit fuzzy, I'll grant that.

[morningfog]

15. Which witness lost credibility?

You are quite eager here.

[MohRokTah]

19. Dorian Johnson.

This morning's robbery bullshit release, that had precisely nothing to do with Brown's murder, not only impugns Brown. It also impugns Dorian Johnson since he was with Brown at the time (from the tape, Johnson did nothing at all except be with Brown, and we cannot tell if there was actually a robbery from the tape).

Next up is Tiffany Mitchell. She'll be smeared, too. It's how cops get away with murder.

Problem is, a currently unidentified rapper was live tweeting the murder and he corroborates the story told by both Johnson and Mitchell. Brown turned around with his hands up to surrender and Wilson shot him multiple times (5 according to the tweeting rapper).

The cops are obviously trying to taint the jury pool with their smears and you know they will smear every last witness

[morningfog]

21. That doesn't hurt his credibility with respect to what he says happen.

If anything, the Chief's concession that the robbery had nothing to do with the encounter, but the jaywalking did, bolsters Johnson's credibility of the events.

[MohRokTah]

22. It will be brought up in any court case.

It goes to character of the witness.

Remember, this would be a witness for the prosecution. The cop would be the defendant and could call into question the character of witnesses against him.

[herding cats]

33. My understanding is that he told the investigators about it already

Including the FBI. He's not been trying to hide the fact, which goes in his favor. It doesn't repair the damage done, but it does help mitigate it a bit.

[MohRokTah]

35. It helps that his story matches Tiffany Mitchell's story, too.

And now there's a third, the unidentified tweeting rapper.

[herding cats]

43. I just saw the story about the tweets.

Those do help. They come complete with a time line of proof of how and when the events unfolded. Ms Mitchell's testimony is also very valuable. Even more so now.

[JJChambers]

23. You're setting yourself up for disappointment

Johnson and Brown knew the robbery just occurred even if the officer didn't. Don't think for a second that they're not going to use that to say Brown was afraid of being apprehended and attacked the officer.

[morningfog]

25. Brown's "fear" is immaterial to what Wilson did or why.

I remember you not having the best grasp on legal concepts, before your last vacation.

What matters is what Wilson said or did to Brown, how Brown reacted, and how Wilson ended up shooting him 7 times and in the back.

[JJChambers]

26. Really?

You don't think that someone who just committed a robbery is more likely to try to escape apprehension with violence than someone who didn't?

Jury note: I'm not suggesting Brown attacked the officer. I'm suggesting that is the line the police will trumpet. They've set the stage.

[morningfog]

28. Escape apprehension for jaywalking?

Think this through. The starting point is that Wilson's "apprehension" was for jaywalking.

You are asking the wrong question, because of who you see as the guilty party (the dead black kid). The question is why did Wilson shot an unarmed black man, who he approached due to jaywalking, 7 times and in the back?

[JJChambers]

29. /sigh

Wilson wasn't being apprehended, Brown was. Brown didn't know that Wilson didn't know about the robbery he just committed. THAT is the excuse police are going to use to say that Brown attacked the officer.

[MohRokTah]

31. Can't take any more of that. Bye. eom

[morningfog]

32. Damn, you're still trying to convict the dead black kid. HE IS NOT ON TRIAL.

It isn't surprising, given your history, that you would prefer to focus there.

[JJChambers]

34. Why are you being do rude?

Brown was murdered. I'm telling you what the story will be that they use to justify it.

[morningfog]

36. No, you are justifying it while hiding behind "what the story will be."

You are too cute by half and obviously not "playing" devil's advocate.

[JJChambers]

38. Your personal attacks are expected.

[FarPoint]

41. It was petite thief at best...

It being Mike Brown has not be confirmed not has the timeline if is Mike...Could of occurred in June or July or 2 weeks ago...Just saying...I don't embrace timely victim character assassination to protect a hotheaded cop.

[malaise]

3. What robbery?

You mean alleged robbery?

That's exactly what they want.

[MohRokTah]

4. True.

Editing subject line now.

[targetpractice]

5. I'll bet Wilson's swollen bump on the head may be part of his defense...

... He may claim he bumped his head hard in the altercation, was dazed, confused, or temporarily insane.

The chief made a point to mention he was treated at the hospital and the side of his head was swollen.

[cleduc]

8. For sure

But maybe it should be.

T.J. Holmes @tjholmes · 12m
Chief Jackson: officer Darren Wilson stopped #MikeBrown initially because he was in the street and blocking traffic. #Ferguson

Not the kind of thing one might expect if there's a rampant cover up going on.

[bigtree]

10. bumped it jumping out of the squad car?

. . . he had enough presence of mind to shoot straight

[tulsakatz]

16. why does that remind me of Zimmerman?

....even if he got a bump on his head, at least he's still alive!!!

[targetpractice]

20. I am reminded of the same, sadly. n/t

[tulsakatz]

61. yes, it is very sad!!

if they do prosecute the cop, I hope he doesn't get off like Zimmerman did!!

[Ilsa]

40. I wonder which cop offered to shove his head

onto something to fake up an injury to meet a lying narrative?

[FarPoint]

42. George Zimmerman wound?

This is just so damn wrong.

[bigtree]

9. Ferguson PD STILL LOOKING for theft suspect SEVEN HOURS AFTER Mike Brown was killed

Connie Soolo ?@ConnieSoolo 3m
"John Ehrlich@newsneighbor: Why was #Ferguson PD still looking for the suspect 7 hours after MB had been killed?

[L0oniX]

11. Holy shit!

[Rex]

12. Ferguson PD is corrupt from the ground up. Seems they are ALL bad apples.

Last edited Fri Aug 15, 2014, 04:46 PM - Edit history (1)

Can't wait for them all to be indicted and face court time.

[toby jo]

30. A perfect

mirror of the rot.

[morningfog]

17. However, the police report was filed in with Brown and Johnson's personal info.

The responding officer stayed at the store until 18:54. And, apparently filed in the info of the suspects that could only have been obtained after Brown's body had been identified. Interesting the game Ferguson PD is playing.

[Ms. Toad]

27. Which is interesting,

Since somehow a witness tweeting about the event knew 1.5 hours after the shooting - the logical assumption is that he overheard the police talking about it at the scene.


At 1:33 on August 9 (about an hour and a half after the shooting):

"Bruh. ?@TheePharoah Aug 9
@_takeitsleazy apparently he stole some rellos"

https://twitter.com/_takeitsleazy/status/498205320808656896

[Rex]

53. That would make sense. Since they left the body in the street for hours and hours.

[LovingA2andMI]

55. Do you have a JEPG of this timeline?

If so, please PM us. Thanks!

[tulsakatz]

13. I can't figure out...

...if this was not connected to the shooting & the officer didn't know about it, where did the FOIA request come from?

I suppose someone could have combed through all of the police activity prior to the shooting & could possibly have discovered it but it seems unlikely to me. And why would a FOIA which, until now have been seeking justice for Brown, be interested in something like this? The robbery allegation would seem to support the police, not justice for the victim...

Every time I see the police chief making statements, he looks a little more fishy to me. I can just tell that every word out of his mouth is a lie!!

[morningfog]

18. The FOIA may have requested anything with Brown's name on it for that date.

The alleged robbery identifies him as the suspect and notes his personal information.

[tulsakatz]

60. ok, that makes sense... n/t

[herding cats]

24. They were stopped, "because they were walking down the middle of the street blocking traffic."

They released that police report, the pictures which made it look worse than it was attached so the media could assassinate his character for them before they were forced to admit this or give any actual details as to the shooting.

I hope to god the Feds nail their asses for a civil rights violation! It's as obvious as the nose on my face they're trying to circumvent justice being served in this case.

[groundloop]

37. The initial confrontation was over jay-walking?

I honestly haven't read what initially happened, only the aftermath (the shooting of an unarmed teen with his hands in the air). So.... I've read that there was a scuffle of some kind inside the police car - was it that Wilson tried to physically grab Brown because he was jaywalking?

[herding cats]

45. That was the official reason for stopping them given today.

They haven't fine tuned their story as to the rest of it enough for public consumption, but the official reason for stopping them was literally, "because they were walking down the middle of the street blocking traffic" according to the Chief of Police.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

46. It's an attempt to prejudice a jury....

Bet we missed the shredding party.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

47. Did Officer Darren Wilson have a partner in the patrol car?

I haven't even heard that question asked in the media.

[alcibiades_mystery]

62. These are solo officers

No partners for their patrols.

[Cha]

51. "Brown was the "primary suspect" in a robbery but not one cop interviewed the man that was with him

Josélito @60th_Street
Follow
Brown was the "primary suspect" in a robbery but not one cop interviewed the man that was with him when he was killed. Bullshit. #Ferguson
4:18 AM - 15 Aug 2014 88 Retweets 42 favorites

TOD

[Kalidurga]

52. It smells like the Feds are going to have to clean up that town

everything coming out of this incident smells. The video evidence of a robbery I had some questions before, but didn't think the robbery was particularly relavant since the officer was unaware of it anyway. The fake facebook pics being circulated. Now it's jaywalking really that's the best they can do for reason for the stop? I admit jaywalkers can be annoying. I think it's going to far to have them executed in the street,though.

[truedelphi]

59. The Feds? Are you friggin' kidding me?

Ask the members of 35 households who were hauled out of their homes in Santa Rosa Calif., on Sept 27th 2012, without warrants, and handcuffed and forced to sit on the ground, while the Federal DEA Agents, FBI, Immigration Agents and local police strolled around those 35 home and back yards, looking for sinister patches of cannabis. The little kids were terrified, watching as their parents and grandparents were brutalized.

The Feds are in on this militarization of police.

[Gman]

54. The very first reports from Sunday morning said he was stopped for walking down the middle of the street.

And that the cop ask him what he was doing. I seriously doubt the cop even knew about the robbery.

[alcibiades_mystery]

56. *When he STOPPED THEM*** That's the important qualifier

The Police Chief consistently stated that he did not STOP them for the robbery initially. He was almost specifying "initially."

Here's my prediction about Wilson's story:

1) He stops them for walking in the street, pulls up next to them with his window down.
2) He calls them over or stops right next to them. Get the fuck out of the street.
3) As he's talkign to them, the radio call goes out: BOLO for two B/M, one wearing white t, yellow socks, red hat, just robbed the (Redacted Business) on Ferguson and W. Florrisant.
4) All parties hear the radio call.
5) As he tries to leave his vehicle, Brown pushes the door shut, attempts to flee, Wilson grabs his throat.
6) Not knowing whether it was an armed robbery, the gun comes out, etc...

This is why they put out the robbery stuff. They're going to link it directly to the shooting.