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Lochloosa

(16,066 posts)
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 12:57 PM Aug 2014

I'm calling Bullshit on the "Robbery" story and here is why...

Last edited Fri Aug 15, 2014, 03:09 PM - Edit history (1)

The original reports described this as a "Jaywalking" incident. Why would the police have not issued a statement saying the cop was investigating a robbery and confronted Brown based on a verbal description?



From a newspaper report after the shooting: ****WARNING..THERE IS A PICTURE OF BROWN ON THE GROUND IN THIS REPORT****

Missouri teen shot dead after jaywalking; witnesses say with hands in the air

A teen’s death has sparked national outrage, after a dispute over jaywalking resulted in a fatal police shooting. According to witnesses, the target had his hands in the air when he was shot multiple times.

snip

Dorian Johnson was Mr. Brown’s companion that afternoon and says he witnessed the confrontation and the shooting. In an interview with MSNBC, Mr. Johnson said that he and Mr. Brown had been walking in the street when an officer drove up and told them to “Get the f— onto the sidewalk.” Those were the words Mr. Johnson recalled being yelled at him and his friend.

According to the account, the pair were nearly to Mr. Johnson’s house and did not immediately exit the street as directed. “It was not but a minute to our destination and we would be off the street,” he said in an interview.

The officer, who had already passed them, put his car in reverse and almost hit them. The male cop then opened his door, hitting Mr. Brown. When the door bounced shut, the officer grew “upset” and reached out of his window and allegedly grabbed Mr. Brown by the neck, yanking him into the window.

http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/michael-brown/#prettyPhoto

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I'm calling Bullshit on the "Robbery" story and here is why... (Original Post) Lochloosa Aug 2014 OP
K&R me b zola Aug 2014 #1
Yep, that story really smells. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #2
Exactly n2doc Aug 2014 #3
I agree with you 100%. And, if true, it means that one or more people have now committed VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #23
Anonymous posted dispatch tapes...NO robbery call.... dixiegrrrrl Aug 2014 #54
Not just a robbery, but a 'strong arm' robbery. CrispyQ Aug 2014 #4
Strong Arm robbery is a legal term (at least in some jurisdictions including Missouri) cojoel Aug 2014 #12
I could literally go into a store, slap a clerk and take a Snickers bar davidpdx Aug 2014 #58
Although a lot of the talking heads are saying "strong armED robbery", winter is coming Aug 2014 #14
Bingo! rock Aug 2014 #47
This vlogger on YouTube from the St. Louis area locdlib Aug 2014 #55
Looks like they needed the extra days to come up with some Baitball Blogger Aug 2014 #5
Riiiiiiight - like a police officer would actually tell a robbery suspect. . . DinahMoeHum Aug 2014 #6
"original reports described this as a "Jaywalking" incident" jberryhill Aug 2014 #7
I agree with your points. That is why I included this question... Lochloosa Aug 2014 #10
"The robbery is irrelevant to the officer's use of lethal force" AMEN! uponit7771 Aug 2014 #16
Exactly. So many red flags with this cover story. stranger81 Aug 2014 #8
It may have worked well in the past lolly Aug 2014 #50
Gotta build up the narrative to make it look like this coward cop was afraid for his safety Roland99 Aug 2014 #9
What happened to the cigars? Did they run away? Pathwalker Aug 2014 #11
Amen! LoisB Aug 2014 #30
the photos are a poor match cojoel Aug 2014 #13
I noticed the red hat too watoos Aug 2014 #22
Another DU post points out that according to the time stamp on the security video, tblue37 Aug 2014 #52
Those reports were based on Dorian Johnson's story. pintobean Aug 2014 #15
and yet Robbins Aug 2014 #17
Just curious watoos Aug 2014 #26
It has been reported by media Robbins Aug 2014 #29
It took 4 days to 'discover' officer was injured, 6 days to 'announce' burglary investigation....... joanbarnes Aug 2014 #18
I can't wait 'til next week: we'll find out he was involved in a terrorist plot. winter is coming Aug 2014 #25
No, he was selling yellowcake to Iran. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2014 #44
...and he was a Muslim. L0oniX Aug 2014 #48
That pretty much sums it up. AngryOldDem Aug 2014 #19
The "robbery" is to fire up the Right Wing.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #20
Mike Brown's parents are outraged... ReRe Aug 2014 #21
Check kirby's timestamp post at 19 malaise Aug 2014 #24
Nice catch...it is such BS Lochloosa Aug 2014 #27
Local news was reporting on it sooner than 1:45 pintobean Aug 2014 #32
If the officer was on his way to investigate a robbery, why would he have sinkingfeeling Aug 2014 #28
Cause he came across a more dangerous situ: Unsubservient negros. DRoseDARs Aug 2014 #49
This whole unfolding narrative has a familiar, creepy Trayvon Martin feel to it. n/t RufusTFirefly Aug 2014 #31
Joy Reid just played that tape malaise Aug 2014 #33
Whats with the hashtag at the end of the link "#prettyPhoto" FreeState Aug 2014 #34
Why is his pants pulled down in the photo? Catherine Vincent Aug 2014 #40
I just saw the video again on MSNBC. It looks to me now like the clerk was ChisolmTrailDem Aug 2014 #35
+1. I'm calling bullsh_t on this new version of the story. blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #36
This is the way police work these situations SpankMe Aug 2014 #37
pretty sketchy fishwax Aug 2014 #38
Deflect and Swerve nt Depaysement Aug 2014 #39
Thoughts Jack Rabbit Aug 2014 #41
Um, because someone assumed it was about jaywalking and said that to the media? randome Aug 2014 #42
And that point was never refuted by the police till today. BS Lochloosa Aug 2014 #43
because you were there? Puzzledtraveller Aug 2014 #45
Such a thoughtful response. Lochloosa Aug 2014 #51
Bottom line on this is that the pig used deadly force where it was not called for. L0oniX Aug 2014 #46
From an eyewitness on Aug 9, 1.5 hours after the shooting: Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #53
insane MFM008 Aug 2014 #56
So now we know what went down. Cop needs to be arrested immediately! Thanks for posting this. freshwest Aug 2014 #57

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
2. Yep, that story really smells.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 01:19 PM
Aug 2014

It took them a few days to come up with a better way to smear the victim than jaywalking.

Not only that, but even if he was a suspect in a crime, he wasn't armed and had his hands in the air when the cop killed him. The whitewash attempt is not only transparent, but immaterial.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
3. Exactly
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 01:19 PM
Aug 2014

There is no freakin way on Earth that they would not have gone with the robbery story, if that indeed were true, from the very start.

 

VanGoghRocks

(621 posts)
23. I agree with you 100%. And, if true, it means that one or more people have now committed
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 01:49 PM
Aug 2014

Obstruction of Justice (by falsifying public records and\or lying to federal investigators).

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
54. Anonymous posted dispatch tapes...NO robbery call....
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 05:04 PM
Aug 2014

The first time there is mention on tapes of the incident is when cops request "crowd control" help.

Videos on Twitter and Youtube by locals show that Brown was dead in middle of street, police for along time, cops were gathered 1/2 block away, apparently waiting for coroner., neighbors and witnesses were filming and can be heard reporting on Brown being shot 7-10 times,
with graphic comments about his head wounds.

cojoel

(957 posts)
12. Strong Arm robbery is a legal term (at least in some jurisdictions including Missouri)
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 01:29 PM
Aug 2014

It means something was stolen by force, but no weapon was used.

Nevertheless, the value of the items stolen was less than $50, and no violence beyond 'de minimis', there would likely have been no felony charges filed. As an example, they haven't exactly arrested Dorian Johnson, who was with Brown and was a witness to the shooting.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
58. I could literally go into a store, slap a clerk and take a Snickers bar
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 06:34 AM
Aug 2014

and it would be Strong Arm robbery?

My question is suppose someone goes into a store with a bag, they didn't steal anything but are being accused of it. A store guard asks to see the person's bag, they refuse. The guard grabs the bag and the person pushes him off him. The accusation of stealing something and the struggle would indicate a minimum amount of violence. Couldn't the same thing apply?

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
14. Although a lot of the talking heads are saying "strong armED robbery",
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 01:34 PM
Aug 2014

which makes me wonder how badly they want to say "armed robbery".

locdlib

(176 posts)
55. This vlogger on YouTube from the St. Louis area
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 05:29 PM
Aug 2014

said the footage has been proven to be BS. She talks about it around the 1:15 mark.

DinahMoeHum

(21,795 posts)
6. Riiiiiiight - like a police officer would actually tell a robbery suspect. . .
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 01:24 PM
Aug 2014

. . .to “Get the f— onto the sidewalk.”


This allegation of robbery stinks to high heaven.



 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
7. "original reports described this as a "Jaywalking" incident"
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 01:24 PM
Aug 2014

The original police report, or the report of Brown's companion?


The robbery is irrelevant to the officer's use of lethal force
, but there are several possibilities:

1. Mr. Johnson's account is correct.

2. Mr. Johnson's account is incorrect, because Mr. Johnson did not want to make an incriminating statement.

3. Mr. Johnson's account is correct, and Mr. Johnson was was unaware of the robbery.

4. Mr. Johnson's account is correct, and the police officer was unaware of the robbery.

3 and 4 overlap, and there are a number of other possible combinations of events.

However, as the original report you cite is based entirely on Mr. Johnson's account, then are you saying that if Mr. Johnson had known or been present at the robbery, then would you have expected him to include that fact in his account of the event?

Lochloosa

(16,066 posts)
10. I agree with your points. That is why I included this question...
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 01:28 PM
Aug 2014
Why would the police have not issued a statement saying the cop was investigating a robbery and confronted Brown based on a verbal description?

That is where their story breaks down. It took six days to come up with this bullshit.

stranger81

(2,345 posts)
8. Exactly. So many red flags with this cover story.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 01:25 PM
Aug 2014

These guys don't seem to really understand yet that the jig is up. They just keep right on digging that hole.

lolly

(3,248 posts)
50. It may have worked well in the past
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 03:44 PM
Aug 2014

In less serious instances, without extensive press coverage.

Any complaints against the force probably elicited a quick search for a cover story, then acceptance of that cover story, however improbable, by the local press and the DA.

If so, they may not have the brains to figure out that it won't work for this.

Pathwalker

(6,598 posts)
11. What happened to the cigars? Did they run away?
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 01:29 PM
Aug 2014

I've smelled week old fish that stunk less than this story.

cojoel

(957 posts)
13. the photos are a poor match
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 01:32 PM
Aug 2014

It appears the perpetrator in the store is both heavier and older than the pictures of the victim. It would be hard to lose so much weight in such a short period time, saying nothing about the years.

Did the police recover the 'red hat' and allegedly stolen cigars at the seen of the shooting?

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
22. I noticed the red hat too
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 01:49 PM
Aug 2014

Looking at the one photo that they didn't crop his head off, the cigar thief appears to be wearing a Cardinals ball cap. The body lying on the ground at the shooting scene clearly is hatless. There are a lot of loose ends the police are going to have to tie up. Like, why did it take so long to call this in? Was an ambulance even called? Too much shit going on here.

tblue37

(65,409 posts)
52. Another DU post points out that according to the time stamp on the security video,
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 04:09 PM
Aug 2014

the robbery did not even occur on the same day, much less within ten minutes of the killing of Michael Brown, as this new story is meant to suggest. That would explain why the stolen cigars are not there.

According to Johnson, Brown did shoplift the cigars. But that is absolutely irrelevant. He was murdered. The cop was abusing his authority to harass two young men for walking while black. I bet the cop got an adrenaline rush, then got pissed off when his target didn't submit, but ran instead. Once he let himself get caught up in the rush of anger and excitement, amplified by his racism, he just kept shooting. His past experience had led him to assume that he could abuse black citizens at will with no penalty[font color = "red"][font size = "+1"]*[/font][/font], so there was nothing in his mindset to slow him down or check his behavior.
______________

[font color ="red"][font size = +1]*[/font][/font] Witnesses have come forward to tell how this officer regularly harassed and abused black citizens in the town.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
15. Those reports were based on Dorian Johnson's story.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 01:38 PM
Aug 2014

Wasn't he also a robbery suspect, according to the police reports?

Someone is full of shit - either Johnson is lying, or there's a massive conspiracy that involves a lot of people, including multiple law enforcement agencies, while the feds are conducting a parallel investigation.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
17. and yet
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 01:41 PM
Aug 2014

Johnson told FBI Michael Brown stole the mini-cigars but there wasn't a strong armed robbary.Why admit to shoplifting and not the
other.

Police will lie to protect their own.

joanbarnes

(1,722 posts)
18. It took 4 days to 'discover' officer was injured, 6 days to 'announce' burglary investigation.......
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 01:42 PM
Aug 2014

Regardless no one should be shot to death and left on the street even IF they stole a box of cigars! (Or choked to death for selling cigarettes.)

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
19. That pretty much sums it up.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 01:42 PM
Aug 2014

There was no reason why the information released today could not have been released last weekend, if this was truly how it went down. In fact, the Ferguson PD would have done themselves many favors by doing so (probable cause stop gone bad), as opposed to the hornet's nest they let loose this morning.

And surely, somewhere, there has to be a box of stolen Swishers Sweets to prove all this. Right?

Right?

Maybe it's just me, but I tend to believe Brown's friend rather than this crock of shit.

The fact remains, at the end of the day a kid is dead for no good reason, and no amount of obfuscating by the Ferguson PD will hide that fact.





 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
20. The "robbery" is to fire up the Right Wing....
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 01:44 PM
Aug 2014

I've posted elsewhere about their obsession with PROPERTY Rights over Human Rights.

They believe stealing is WORSE than murder.

malaise

(269,063 posts)
24. Check kirby's timestamp post at 19
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 01:50 PM
Aug 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5389849


Look at the timestamps...

The police report says the strong-armed robbery was at 11:40am. When did the shooting take place? Dorian Johnson says they ran into the cops around 1:45 - 2pm. Time zone differences or actually 2 hours difference.

sinkingfeeling

(51,461 posts)
28. If the officer was on his way to investigate a robbery, why would he have
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 02:01 PM
Aug 2014

stopped in the street to discuss 'jaywalking'?

 

DRoseDARs

(6,810 posts)
49. Cause he came across a more dangerous situ: Unsubservient negros.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 03:37 PM
Aug 2014

Earlier someone posted a link to news from 2009 when the Ferguson police arrested a guy who shared a similar name to someone that'd committed a crime and immediately released him...

...

LOL no they didn't. After finding out they had the wrong guy, they proceeded to beat the shit out of him and charge him with destruction of property... by getting his blood on their uniforms as they beat the shit out of him. Saw the picture of his head, yeah he was a bloody mess. That tends to happen when someone beats the shit out of you. In court, they were asked if any blood got on them and they said no. Then they were shown the police reports they signed saying he was charged with destruction of property for getting blood on their uniforms. Awkward.

FreeState

(10,572 posts)
34. Whats with the hashtag at the end of the link "#prettyPhoto"
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 02:28 PM
Aug 2014
http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/michael-brown/#prettyPhoto

http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/michael-brown/

they both go to the same article, actually you can put anything behind the # and it still works. So why is it on the link?

Catherine Vincent

(34,490 posts)
40. Why is his pants pulled down in the photo?
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 02:55 PM
Aug 2014

I can't believe nobody grabbed a sheet or towel and handed it to the officers to cover this guy. Horrible.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
35. I just saw the video again on MSNBC. It looks to me now like the clerk was
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 02:30 PM
Aug 2014

initially confronting Dorian Johnson, not Mike Brown.

Is there an online video of the store footage?

SpankMe

(2,957 posts)
37. This is the way police work these situations
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 02:40 PM
Aug 2014

They have an unjustified shooting that makes them look bad, so they start back-filling the airwaves - long after the fact - with a laundry list of (alleged) recent criminal acts to contribute to the narrative that the guy was bad and that a shooting was potentially justified given what the "perp" was doing just before the shooting. They dig up new stuff every hour and throw it against the wall to see if it sticks. This obfuscates the facts, corrupts a potential jury pool and sways a certain percentage of the public into tacitly accepting the shooting as justified or at least understandable.

This is total bullshit. It wouldn't matter if Brown had just killed someone moments earlier just around the corner. If his hands are up and he's surrendering to police with no weapon in his hands or in view at all, then police procedures should prohibit shooting to to kill, or shooting at all. Order him to the ground spread-eagle, call for at least 2 back-up officers, approach him from the rear lay on him and cuff him....situation stabilized.

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
38. pretty sketchy
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 02:46 PM
Aug 2014

Why wait so long to make the robbery claim? Why redact so much information from the robbery report? Why still no report or direct info about the shooting itself--which, if it went down at all the way the witnesses have said, renders any robbery incident completely irrelevant?

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
41. Thoughts
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 02:56 PM
Aug 2014

Assuming there was a robbery and Mike Brown was involved, shoplifting cigars from from 711 is still petty crime and not a capital offense, even with a trial. I'll let racists like Rush Windbag run his mouth about this, but the best attitude to take is skepticism. Mr. Brown cannot answer the charges, which comes from a source that hasn't established any record for reliability in the last week.

Officer Wilson was either unaware of the robbery or didn't feel that Mr. Brown was a suspect. If he had, he would have arrested him.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
42. Um, because someone assumed it was about jaywalking and said that to the media?
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 02:59 PM
Aug 2014

It's not hard to understand why everything is muddled at the start of something like this.
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Ms. Toad

(34,076 posts)
53. From an eyewitness on Aug 9, 1.5 hours after the shooting:
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 04:19 PM
Aug 2014
Bruh.
?@TheePharoah
@_takeitsleazy apparently he stole some rellos


https://twitter.com/_takeitsleazy/status/498205320808656896

It sounds as if he wasn't stopped because he was a robbery suspect, but that the police must have made the connection pretty quickly for the witness to have been tweeting it. The question is why didn't they release the information earlier.

MFM008

(19,818 posts)
56. insane
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 06:14 PM
Aug 2014

a kid on the day before he starts college would go out and rob a 7 11 type store. Its just crazy. And media is going along with it. Not alleged robber but shows 'Brown robbing a store'. Crazy.

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