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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI'm calling Bullshit on the "Robbery" story and here is why...
Last edited Fri Aug 15, 2014, 03:09 PM - Edit history (1)
The original reports described this as a "Jaywalking" incident. Why would the police have not issued a statement saying the cop was investigating a robbery and confronted Brown based on a verbal description?
From a newspaper report after the shooting: ****WARNING..THERE IS A PICTURE OF BROWN ON THE GROUND IN THIS REPORT****
Missouri teen shot dead after jaywalking; witnesses say with hands in the air
A teens death has sparked national outrage, after a dispute over jaywalking resulted in a fatal police shooting. According to witnesses, the target had his hands in the air when he was shot multiple times.
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Dorian Johnson was Mr. Browns companion that afternoon and says he witnessed the confrontation and the shooting. In an interview with MSNBC, Mr. Johnson said that he and Mr. Brown had been walking in the street when an officer drove up and told them to Get the f onto the sidewalk. Those were the words Mr. Johnson recalled being yelled at him and his friend.
According to the account, the pair were nearly to Mr. Johnsons house and did not immediately exit the street as directed. It was not but a minute to our destination and we would be off the street, he said in an interview.
The officer, who had already passed them, put his car in reverse and almost hit them. The male cop then opened his door, hitting Mr. Brown. When the door bounced shut, the officer grew upset and reached out of his window and allegedly grabbed Mr. Brown by the neck, yanking him into the window.
http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/michael-brown/#prettyPhoto
me b zola
(19,053 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)It took them a few days to come up with a better way to smear the victim than jaywalking.
Not only that, but even if he was a suspect in a crime, he wasn't armed and had his hands in the air when the cop killed him. The whitewash attempt is not only transparent, but immaterial.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)There is no freakin way on Earth that they would not have gone with the robbery story, if that indeed were true, from the very start.
VanGoghRocks
(621 posts)Obstruction of Justice (by falsifying public records and\or lying to federal investigators).
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)The first time there is mention on tapes of the incident is when cops request "crowd control" help.
Videos on Twitter and Youtube by locals show that Brown was dead in middle of street, police for along time, cops were gathered 1/2 block away, apparently waiting for coroner., neighbors and witnesses were filming and can be heard reporting on Brown being shot 7-10 times,
with graphic comments about his head wounds.
CrispyQ
(36,478 posts)It stinks.
cojoel
(957 posts)It means something was stolen by force, but no weapon was used.
Nevertheless, the value of the items stolen was less than $50, and no violence beyond 'de minimis', there would likely have been no felony charges filed. As an example, they haven't exactly arrested Dorian Johnson, who was with Brown and was a witness to the shooting.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)and it would be Strong Arm robbery?
My question is suppose someone goes into a store with a bag, they didn't steal anything but are being accused of it. A store guard asks to see the person's bag, they refuse. The guard grabs the bag and the person pushes him off him. The accusation of stealing something and the struggle would indicate a minimum amount of violence. Couldn't the same thing apply?
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)which makes me wonder how badly they want to say "armed robbery".
rock
(13,218 posts)I had noticed that before.
locdlib
(176 posts)said the footage has been proven to be BS. She talks about it around the 1:15 mark.
Baitball Blogger
(46,742 posts)creative staging.
DinahMoeHum
(21,795 posts). . .to Get the f onto the sidewalk.
This allegation of robbery stinks to high heaven.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)The original police report, or the report of Brown's companion?
The robbery is irrelevant to the officer's use of lethal force, but there are several possibilities:
1. Mr. Johnson's account is correct.
2. Mr. Johnson's account is incorrect, because Mr. Johnson did not want to make an incriminating statement.
3. Mr. Johnson's account is correct, and Mr. Johnson was was unaware of the robbery.
4. Mr. Johnson's account is correct, and the police officer was unaware of the robbery.
3 and 4 overlap, and there are a number of other possible combinations of events.
However, as the original report you cite is based entirely on Mr. Johnson's account, then are you saying that if Mr. Johnson had known or been present at the robbery, then would you have expected him to include that fact in his account of the event?
Lochloosa
(16,066 posts)That is where their story breaks down. It took six days to come up with this bullshit.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)stranger81
(2,345 posts)These guys don't seem to really understand yet that the jig is up. They just keep right on digging that hole.
lolly
(3,248 posts)In less serious instances, without extensive press coverage.
Any complaints against the force probably elicited a quick search for a cover story, then acceptance of that cover story, however improbable, by the local press and the DA.
If so, they may not have the brains to figure out that it won't work for this.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)Pathwalker
(6,598 posts)I've smelled week old fish that stunk less than this story.
cojoel
(957 posts)It appears the perpetrator in the store is both heavier and older than the pictures of the victim. It would be hard to lose so much weight in such a short period time, saying nothing about the years.
Did the police recover the 'red hat' and allegedly stolen cigars at the seen of the shooting?
watoos
(7,142 posts)Looking at the one photo that they didn't crop his head off, the cigar thief appears to be wearing a Cardinals ball cap. The body lying on the ground at the shooting scene clearly is hatless. There are a lot of loose ends the police are going to have to tie up. Like, why did it take so long to call this in? Was an ambulance even called? Too much shit going on here.
tblue37
(65,409 posts)the robbery did not even occur on the same day, much less within ten minutes of the killing of Michael Brown, as this new story is meant to suggest. That would explain why the stolen cigars are not there.
According to Johnson, Brown did shoplift the cigars. But that is absolutely irrelevant. He was murdered. The cop was abusing his authority to harass two young men for walking while black. I bet the cop got an adrenaline rush, then got pissed off when his target didn't submit, but ran instead. Once he let himself get caught up in the rush of anger and excitement, amplified by his racism, he just kept shooting. His past experience had led him to assume that he could abuse black citizens at will with no penalty[font color = "red"][font size = "+1"]*[/font][/font], so there was nothing in his mindset to slow him down or check his behavior.
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pintobean
(18,101 posts)Wasn't he also a robbery suspect, according to the police reports?
Someone is full of shit - either Johnson is lying, or there's a massive conspiracy that involves a lot of people, including multiple law enforcement agencies, while the feds are conducting a parallel investigation.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)Johnson told FBI Michael Brown stole the mini-cigars but there wasn't a strong armed robbary.Why admit to shoplifting and not the
other.
Police will lie to protect their own.
watoos
(7,142 posts)How do you know what Jihnson told the FBI?
Robbins
(5,066 posts)Including MSNBC.
joanbarnes
(1,722 posts)Regardless no one should be shot to death and left on the street even IF they stole a box of cigars! (Or choked to death for selling cigarettes.)
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)There was no reason why the information released today could not have been released last weekend, if this was truly how it went down. In fact, the Ferguson PD would have done themselves many favors by doing so (probable cause stop gone bad), as opposed to the hornet's nest they let loose this morning.
And surely, somewhere, there has to be a box of stolen Swishers Sweets to prove all this. Right?
Right?
Maybe it's just me, but I tend to believe Brown's friend rather than this crock of shit.
The fact remains, at the end of the day a kid is dead for no good reason, and no amount of obfuscating by the Ferguson PD will hide that fact.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)I've posted elsewhere about their obsession with PROPERTY Rights over Human Rights.
They believe stealing is WORSE than murder.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)(seen on MSNBC)
malaise
(269,063 posts)Look at the timestamps...
Lochloosa
(16,066 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)It happened around noon.
sinkingfeeling
(51,461 posts)stopped in the street to discuss 'jaywalking'?
DRoseDARs
(6,810 posts)Earlier someone posted a link to news from 2009 when the Ferguson police arrested a guy who shared a similar name to someone that'd committed a crime and immediately released him...
...
LOL no they didn't. After finding out they had the wrong guy, they proceeded to beat the shit out of him and charge him with destruction of property... by getting his blood on their uniforms as they beat the shit out of him. Saw the picture of his head, yeah he was a bloody mess. That tends to happen when someone beats the shit out of you. In court, they were asked if any blood got on them and they said no. Then they were shown the police reports they signed saying he was charged with destruction of property for getting blood on their uniforms. Awkward.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)malaise
(269,063 posts)with the sidewalk story.
It's all made up - bullshit!
FreeState
(10,572 posts)http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/michael-brown/
they both go to the same article, actually you can put anything behind the # and it still works. So why is it on the link?
Catherine Vincent
(34,490 posts)I can't believe nobody grabbed a sheet or towel and handed it to the officers to cover this guy. Horrible.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)initially confronting Dorian Johnson, not Mike Brown.
Is there an online video of the store footage?
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)SpankMe
(2,957 posts)They have an unjustified shooting that makes them look bad, so they start back-filling the airwaves - long after the fact - with a laundry list of (alleged) recent criminal acts to contribute to the narrative that the guy was bad and that a shooting was potentially justified given what the "perp" was doing just before the shooting. They dig up new stuff every hour and throw it against the wall to see if it sticks. This obfuscates the facts, corrupts a potential jury pool and sways a certain percentage of the public into tacitly accepting the shooting as justified or at least understandable.
This is total bullshit. It wouldn't matter if Brown had just killed someone moments earlier just around the corner. If his hands are up and he's surrendering to police with no weapon in his hands or in view at all, then police procedures should prohibit shooting to to kill, or shooting at all. Order him to the ground spread-eagle, call for at least 2 back-up officers, approach him from the rear lay on him and cuff him....situation stabilized.
fishwax
(29,149 posts)Why wait so long to make the robbery claim? Why redact so much information from the robbery report? Why still no report or direct info about the shooting itself--which, if it went down at all the way the witnesses have said, renders any robbery incident completely irrelevant?
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)Assuming there was a robbery and Mike Brown was involved, shoplifting cigars from from 711 is still petty crime and not a capital offense, even with a trial. I'll let racists like Rush Windbag run his mouth about this, but the best attitude to take is skepticism. Mr. Brown cannot answer the charges, which comes from a source that hasn't established any record for reliability in the last week.
Officer Wilson was either unaware of the robbery or didn't feel that Mr. Brown was a suspect. If he had, he would have arrested him.
randome
(34,845 posts)It's not hard to understand why everything is muddled at the start of something like this.
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Lochloosa
(16,066 posts)Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)Lochloosa
(16,066 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,076 posts)?@TheePharoah
@_takeitsleazy apparently he stole some rellos
https://twitter.com/_takeitsleazy/status/498205320808656896
It sounds as if he wasn't stopped because he was a robbery suspect, but that the police must have made the connection pretty quickly for the witness to have been tweeting it. The question is why didn't they release the information earlier.
MFM008
(19,818 posts)a kid on the day before he starts college would go out and rob a 7 11 type store. Its just crazy. And media is going along with it. Not alleged robber but shows 'Brown robbing a store'. Crazy.