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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe woman who thinks reducing the male population by 90% will solve everything.
The Femitheist is a 22-year-old criminology student with a three-year-old. One angry day in 2012 she took to the Internet to outline the brutal concept of International Castration Day. After posting it on YouTube she stepped out for a coffee. Returning home a few hours later, she found that all gnashing male hell had broken loose.
While she now derides International Castration day as silly, the internet had met The Femitheist. Two years later she is an emergent cult leader, a ball-stepping villainess, or clear-thinking realistdepending who you ask. Today she continues to support the reduction of the male population and generally courts outrage and devotion through her website and YouTube channel. Shes also 200 pages into what shes hoping will be her 700 page manifesto outlining the philosophy of Femitheism. Its tentatively titled The Ratio.
VICE: I assume The Ratio refers to your belief the male population should be reduced to between by 90 percent.
The Femitheist: I believe that conventional equality, with a 50/50 female-to-male ratio, is an inferior system. Essentially my ideas lead to men being made a special classa far more valued classhaving choice of a myriad of women due to the difference in sex ratio. That is my intention. Men would be made more valuable, and their quality of life would be dramatically improved. They would have a subsidised existence if you will, akin to going on an all-expenses paid vacation that lasts from birth to death.
Assuming people are down for that, how could you reduce the male population by that much? Are you talking culling or selective breeding over years?
Obviously men comprise a substantial portion of the victims of violent crime and participate heavily in war, so there will always be deaths therebut certainly not culling. I don't advocate selective slaughter or brutal processes.
Sic....
What about the ambitions of the individual? Some men may aspire to more than luxury breeding pens.:
Some would argue it would be a dystopian world because it wouldn't be free in the present conventional sense. However that is misguided. It will be utopian because it will be a world almost without conflict where people cooperate and are treated properly within a well-engineered and long-forged system. If everything is great for almost everyone the point is null. Survival and socio-organic wellbeing are the most important elements in life. Diversity of principles and standards is only necessary in a world of multiple nations, cultures, societies, and religions due to fear of oppression. So, how is this world any better? Because some people have potential opportunities to do certain things?
http://www.vice.com/read/is-reducing-the-male-population-by-90-percent-the-solution-to-all-our-problems
And before anyone says anything, no one is claiming this woman is representative of all feminists, she doesn't even claim to be feminist but her own "special" kind of thing.
That said, I find it especially disturbing how she seems to be able to openly call for what amounts to a genocide of gay men. They obviously wouldn't have any place in her "utopia" where men are literally just breeding stock. So I find her claims she isn't calling for a genocide highly dubious.
Her being a criminology major disturbs me, would you really trust her to give any man a fair shake in a legal situation?
This has to be my "favorite" quote
"Vice: Like slaves?
Not as slaves, simply as workers performing a duty, in the same way workers today do. Only without the need for monetary reimbursement as they would have no need for such a thing. This would be highly monitored and regulated."
So... slaves.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)Not really of course since the whole human race is fucking insane but if she can spout bullshit so can I.
littlemissmartypants
(22,695 posts)redqueen
(115,103 posts)atreides1
(16,079 posts)She hasn't slaughtered a bunch of men, yet! But she thinks it's a good idea...
redqueen
(115,103 posts)But I can find quotes from men who do think that men should rape their wives and girlfriends. Their 'loved ones'.
So maybe we should try a little intellectual honesty. Or is that too much to expect?
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)That explains a lot.
Would you be OK with the end result? Harems?
redqueen
(115,103 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)...when taken in the context of your previous, often stated positions on such matters.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)As evidenced by the fact that you asked, apparently in all seriousness, if I was ok with forced castration.
I'm not even ok with infant circumcision FFS.
Yeah, you've got me alllll figured out. Excellent work, detective.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)is preferable to the kind of craziness that actually hurts people.
Liberal MRA
(6 posts)But Mein Kampf made it pretty clear what he was going to do.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)Who needs freedom when you can have all the sex you want?
And the thoughts, that a man might prefer to have an exclusive relationship with a particular woman, or that a woman might prefer to have an exclusive relationship with her breeding-bull, are laughable.
It would be an utopia.
* no gay men
* no committed male-female-relationships
* picking the breeding-bulls, erm... men, with abortion and/or selective in-vitro-fertilization and/or a series of life-or-death duels and euthanasia
* Men would be judged solely on their value as flesh.
"What's beyond the compound?"
"Don't worry your pretty huge dick off about that."
Dorian Gray
(13,496 posts)dystopian novel, ala The Handmaid's Tale.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)About 4 major characters:
- good authority-figure, female
- bad authority-figure, female
- lover #1, female
- lover #2, male
All those tiny gestures of sexualization of women in movies, like the unnecessary underwear-scene of Dr Marcus in Star Trek, could be turned around. All the women would wear business-clothes and and sweat-shirts. No cleavage, no ass, no legs, almost no make-up. The men would wear really tight clothes and be paraded around in speedos.
A female member of the European Parliament once quipped to a female colleague about a cute new male page: "He belongs between my legs."
This is exactly the tone I would use: Men are objectified and reduced to their sexual side.
First Act:
Two parallel storylines:
1. Two factions are in a bidding war over new breeders. Politics, history, sociology. A world without violent conflicts, instead they are solved with scheming. A rigorious breeding-regime with neverending genetic tests, intelligence-tests and athletic duels for the men.
2. Through some extraordinary circumstances a woman in her late 30s becomes warden of a breeder. She falls in love with him, but he has sex all the time with a rotating cast of 20-year-old girls. And as his warden, she's not allowed to have sex with him. She tries to become friends with him, but he is cautious, because he thinks, she just wants into his pants, like all the other women. A life-time of being used as a sex-machine has left him bitter and cynical. He wants more in his life. After a while, they finally open up to each other. He wants their relationship to start slow, to evolve. He wants talking, he wants feelings. She wants to fuck him already.
Second Act:
The love-scenes alternate with scenes outside of the compound. Everyday-life and everyday-problems in a world without men. Female politicians, female plumbers, female construction-site-workers, female fat-cat bankers with trophy-husbands... And all the porn-magazines are about nude men: black, white, muscled, skinny, shaved, hairy...
Third Act:
The storylines meet:
The bidding war between the factions has evolved into sabotage. Explosion/fire/accident/assassination/kidnapping happens, He dies. Life goes on as always.
"Did you really think, you were the first woman to fall in love with a man?"
littlemissmartypants
(22,695 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)I would probably watch it twice and get others to watch it. I would especially like it if the men in the movie were seen as dumb, no matter how smart they were, ugly, not matter how nice they looked, forced to wear ball bras, forced to only work menial jobs for way less pay, and other various bullshit women have to put up with now. It would be great to completely reverse the rules as they are now and make some people stop and think.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)I also changed the master cylinder and bled the brakes on my first car. Women can do it and yes, if you change your own oil, you are going to get at least some on your hands. You have to lubricate the gasket on the new oil filter somehow.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)were designed by Maidenform. To think, nipple piercing was inspired by adding the prop.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)I don't get it.
I can change the oil in my car, and in the school bus we used as a camper in college.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)It's funny. I've seen it done before. Do it once and you learn fast.
Squinch
(50,955 posts)As if these guys think it's such a challenge. Which, to some of these guys, I suppose it is.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)do a tune-up on pre-electronic ignition cars, change tires, inspect brakes, do under hood check-ups, and how to remain safe when broken down on a highway (pre cell phone days). The vast majority of my students could handle stuff well. But on occasion, I would get a woman (for some reason) who didn't believe oil lurched out more than a half-foot from the oil pan to the receptacle, and who would locate herself where the catch basin should be. Hilarious! I stowed extra towels.
Squinch
(50,955 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)redqueen
(115,103 posts)was replied to in the way that it was.
she sounds like a neomalthusian i knew.
eShirl
(18,494 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)nookworld
(22 posts)the idea of the strong but caring 'father figure' is an ancient out-dated concept.
perhaps the family unit was well
NickB79
(19,253 posts)I feel so sorry for him or her.
littlemissmartypants
(22,695 posts)I shall be embarrassed for them by proxy.
~Lmsp
littlemissmartypants
(22,695 posts)on the other hand...
A sex slave...
Never mind.
Interesting read.
Thanks for your post.
~Lmsp
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)littlemissmartypants
(22,695 posts)DetlefK
(16,423 posts)littlemissmartypants
(22,695 posts):holds stomach:
:bothhands:
:sputters:
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)thesquanderer
(11,990 posts)Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Dorian Gray
(13,496 posts)She Cray Cray.
(Or just trolling the world.)
littlemissmartypants
(22,695 posts)el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)I don't see any relationship at all, myself, but wouldn't be surprised if some saw this as a natural outgrowth of feminism, and tried to tar feminism with guilt by association.
Bryant
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)... and I would venture to say that there little or no relationship with feminists any where.
Kurska
(5,739 posts)No one claimed one lol.
I've certainly never seen anyone advocate genocide and enslavement of a gender on DU, that would be pretty crazy.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)the word looks like feminist, that's about it.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I doubt anyone else had either.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)DiverDave
(4,886 posts)eom
Enrique
(27,461 posts)this is going to be the basis for a science fiction movie and someone else is going to profit from it.
oh, wait, it probably already has, possibly by Russ Meyer.
malaise
(269,057 posts)Fuck her
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)From my cold dead hands!
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)As if their demanding to be able to keep a portable instrument that shoots small pieces of metal through the air at lethal speeds compares to 300 Spartans knowingly going to their deaths by standing up to an entire army.
As Yoda might say, "delusions of grandeur, they have."
badtoworse
(5,957 posts)hlthe2b
(102,294 posts)Really, what is the point?
betsuni
(25,539 posts)Why was this posted? Is this political or at all relevant to anything?
redqueen
(115,103 posts)When I've posted about common problems like street harassment in the past I get lots of those kinds of responses.
Who says that on DU?
Link to the post where anyone said that here?
Why are you posting this here?
etc etc ad nauseam
sammythecat
(3,568 posts)that you can expect demands that you explain and defend this woman and her loony ideas because, deep down, this is what you and all feminists are really all about. And probably multiple times in the same thread.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Kurska
(5,739 posts)Which is why I'm sure 99% of the articles posted here are posted here. I just posted the article, DU self-selected it as something they wanted to comment on.
Oh and so did you, given you replied.
hlthe2b
(102,294 posts)that your motives were anything than "lilly pure"....
Posting about street harassment as in Redqueen's example up top is to shed light on a widespread problem and might even educate a few on something they rarely consider--and from the viewpoint of the "harassed"..
Posting these rantings that you know are extremist to the degree of infinity and represent no significant group think in the real world--as though they represent a position or a problem that needs to be addressed--is quite something else...
Kurska
(5,739 posts)Given we're approaching 100 replies in this thread (2 of which are yours now btw), I'd say DU had rather a lot to say and they found the article very interesting.
I didn't force anything on anyone btw. The only reason the article is here is people are talking about it.
hlthe2b
(102,294 posts)I wonder why?
Kurska
(5,739 posts)Question anything but those.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)An op gets posted and it either sinks or attracts conversation.
In this case, much of the conversation consists of "shh... don't talk about this, you're trying to make me look bad"
Which is in itself, kind of revealing.
hlthe2b
(102,294 posts)and not in a good way.
Others recognize shit kicking when they see it in a post--as is amply demonstrated on this thread.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Is shit not supposed to be kicked?
For a person to feel personally attacked by a post like this requires some kind of affinity for Krista.
I was 22 and and therefore an idiot at one time too. Because I grew out of it, I no longer feel that criticism of stupid 22 year olds constitute an attack on me.
hlthe2b
(102,294 posts)Really? Once again your words speak volumes about YOU. (none of it good)
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)... with your stated opinion.
"She's a lunatic... but stop talking about her!"
hlthe2b
(102,294 posts)Given your pattern...
hueymahl
(2,497 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Obviously this woman and her beliefs have nothing to do with feminism.
At first, I thought she was just plain crazy, and she might be.
However, it is undeniable that there was a time when fighting/wars/hunting accidents probably caused the ratio of adult males to adult females to be considerably less than 50-50. Were our societies "better" then? I would be interested in seeing her arguments. Of course regardless of her arguments, we can't do such a thing. But her arguments might be fuel for things we can/should do to change behavior.
That assumes that she does not propose wiping out any section of the LGBT community. If that IS in fact what she is proposing, I am not interested at all.
Then there is the idea that she might be just doing this for the money. i.e. to sell books and hopefully score movie rights $$$$.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)Or hoping it is. I don't know any feminists who would really want to do any of that for real. It would make for an interesting movie, but not to really do it.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)The idea is looney-tunes but I want to see what she thinks that society would be like.
I've always believed that women have absolutely the same capacity and tendency to be violent/sadistic and megalomaniacs and warmongers and various other undesirable behaviors that men do but because of the unequal nature of our society that has been suppressed to varying extents.
I'm not sure what she proposes would yield the positive changes that she thinks they would but I would be interested in seeing her arguments.
I'm glad no one throughout this thread has tried to equate her beliefs with feminism. I think that is an improvement for DU.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)My ego says "bring it on!" But, realistically, there is no way I could have kept up with 10 partners even in 'my prime.' Now that I am older, well shit... Where the hell did I put those pink pills again!?
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)You could at least give it the good ol' college try.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)surrealAmerican
(11,362 posts)Generally societies with many more women than men lead to women being treated very poorly.
johnlucas
(1,250 posts)The more women there are, the less individually valuable they will be treated.
Surplus. Wealth Makes Waste.
Supply & Demand.
Reminds me of the story of Ganondorf from The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time.
Ganondorf, the first Gerudo male to be born in 100 years, ends up being placed as the King of the Gerudos by an all-female tribe.
It's nature. Females can't exist without males & males can't exist without females.
And if the male-female balance end up like Ganondorf's, the MALE would get the perks because the future of the population would be at risk.
The female Gerudos were fierce tough warriors running prison camps & fighting with blades.
They would end up guarding & protecting this male Gerudo even at the cost of their own life because now the female is expendable compared to the male.
By nature it IS true that less men are needed to repopulate after a Extinction Level Event.
Say we got a group of 11 people left on Earth.
10 men & 1 woman.
VS.
10 women & 1 man.
In that group of 10 men & 1 woman, roughly every 9 months 1 new person would be added to the group.
11 ? 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19...add 1 for each instance of twins, triplets, or other multiples.
In that group of 10 women & 1 man, roughly every 9 months 10 new people would be added to the group.
11 ? 21, 31, 41, 51, 61, 71, 81, 91...add 10 for each instance of twins, triplets, or other multiples.
Look! The numbers are the reverse of each other. 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 vs. 11, 21, 31, 41, 51.
And in each scenario the single person of the opposite sex would be the most valued in the group.
The future of the group's existence depends on that sole person.
Men are sent off to war & are more expendable than women in this society because there is a surplus of them.
Yes, there are less men by percentage than women like maybe a 47% male/53% female split.
But because of biology needing less men to repopulate a society, that 47% exceeds the necessary limit for protect against an Extinction Level Event.
BECAUSE there are a surplus of men, women can be pickier & choosier with what men they want.
Go BELOW that limit & have a percentage like a 20% male/80% female split & suddenly women will be picked to fight the wars.
Men will get the opportunity to be pickier & choosier with what women they want.
China is trying to STOP population so who do they devalue? WOMEN!
By inflating male importance, they move the ELE limit upwards to SLOW population growth.
And you might end up with say a 55% male/45% female split.
In a double move, BECAUSE they have so many people already, this STILL works with sending men to war because it's a surplus on the normal ELE limit.
So they devalue BOTH actually but of the two sexes they devalue women MORE.
Surplus. Wealth Makes Waste.
Supply & Demand.
Be careful what you wish for.
An all-female empire is still an empire.
What difference does it make if it's a man debasing your worth or a woman debasing your worth?
If her scenario panned out, it would be the WOMEN turning against the WOMEN & elevating the MEN.
Ganondorf becomes the King because he's the only male left.
Ever seen how a bee colony works? Male Drones just procreate with the Queen all day & do absolutely nothing else.
All the worker bees are FEMALE.
John Lucas
She must not have any men in her life that she truly knows and loves. Flip the genders, and you also have the explanation for some of the more extreme ravings of the MRA types.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Consider how many women and children are victims of violence at the hands of men. There should be the reverse, then - instead of a 'manosphere' full of men whining about women not fucking them/divorcing their sorry/abusive asses. But no. We only have a handful of women like this. It isn't because of being treated poorly that those men act that way, and I doubt her whacked out ideas have much to do with however she has been treated.
dawg
(10,624 posts)I just said that there was probably no opposite-sex person in their lives that they knew and loved. That could very well be one's own fault, and have nothing to do with being mistreated or abused.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)That the crazy gets enabled and cultivated is an interesting phenomenon.
treestar
(82,383 posts)might allow for some type of control of sex ratios in the population.
If the patriarchy still have the power, they might create a lot of women for themselves.
If women have some say, they might insist on 50/50 or to have somewhat more male babies to let it be 50/50 into adulthood.
It always struck me as stupid how in China they really want sons over daughters, and their efforts lead them in a generation to a situation where many of their sons can't get wives.
Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)Back when China was experiencing a population explosion and food production was being outstripped by the increased birthrate, the government instituted the 1 child rule. Given the historical/economic roles of men intheir society...they were food and care providers for parents as they became too old to work the fields, it kind of makes sense that an individual couple would value a son over a daughter. Obviously, that does not play well for a society as the imbalance between sexes widens over time. But China society is changing and couples are beginning to have more than one child, so this may be less of an issue in the industrialized parts of the country.
treestar
(82,383 posts)One girl and one boy.
There was a scifi book I read when young where every family had one boy and one girl.
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)It was in fact the wives the sons brought into the family that got that dubious honor, alongside all the other housework.
However, now there's fewer women than men, so many sons won't be bringing wives into the family, ergo, the parents won't have anyone to take care of them....unless these spoiled emperors they've created learn to do "women's" work.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Is the bullet point summary.
Scout
(8,624 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)would solve a great deal.
For life on the planet.
Through conscious birth control, not genocide.
This, though? I'll confine it to the compost pile, where it belongs.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)It would also be the end of human life, period, after a few generations.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)90% is a bit much, but Earth can comfortably sustain 1-2 billion people over the long term.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)10% of the current 7 billion is still 700 million people. The minimum viable population for humans is 160. Not 106 million. Just 160 people. That's according to this source:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1936-magic-number-for-space-pioneers-calculated.html#.U-6jh-NdW3I
Another article, looking at inbreeding over time, suggests anywhere from 99 to 10,000, given various factors.
http://www.eoearth.org/view/article/154633/
At the top 10,000 number, 700 million is still 70,000 times that MVP.
Laxman
(2,419 posts)the worst Star Trek episode ever made. Do her plans involve pain belts and Spock's Brain?
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)I pleaded with her to allow me to stay, as Macho Island's ambassador.
Kurska
(5,739 posts)I'm pretty okay with that idea.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Or the Divine Miss M?
Maybe they could tour.
Kurska
(5,739 posts)But they can't stay.
Such are the ways of Macho Island (apparently).
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)kcr
(15,317 posts)Hyuck. Hyuck.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)...and lynch her.
The remaining 10% of men would be in such high demand that women would literally tear each other apart limb by limb to be next in line. Where do I sign up to be in that 10%?
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Women are no better at sharing than men are.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Fertile men would be allowed ten wives each.
I am sure the kook the article is about would blow a gasket when faced with the end result of her twisted fantasy.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)the inevitable dystopia their "ideas" would lead to. See Ayn Rand.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)nt
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)But seriously...your fantasy is pretty disturbing.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Some women have no interest in sex with men at all, or producing offspring, thought they are in the minority.
What do you think the end result would be?
Thanks in advance!
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Though Lumberjack_Jeff's point about the wealthy cornering the market on reproduction seems likely.
Beyond that, I have no interest in speculating about the ravings of an obviously unbalanced 24 year old criminology student.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Iron Man
(183 posts)Response to Kurska (Original post)
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WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)To put it mildly and politely.
underpants
(182,830 posts)They are working on it
herding cats
(19,565 posts)Some people will do anything for money.
I think she'd have been better off if she'd have just done the whole thing up as a nice Sci-Fi fiction.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)oh sweetie - you are special.
thanks for the chuckles.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)It's called "The Matter of Seggri". The men aren't terribly happy in it.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)Something seriously wrong with that woman. Probably a victim of abuse.
Scary thing is that she's raising a kid.
Liberal_from_va34
(50 posts)Not! Seriously, she should see a shrink sometime in the near future. It's obvious she's not quite right in the head.
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)redqueen
(115,103 posts)How.. interesting.
leeroysphitz
(10,462 posts)bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)College kids and graduate students go through phases, and this just has to run its course with her. When she's 30 she be ashamed of herself.
eridani
(51,907 posts)The premise is pretty standard for a number of fictional thought experiments.
Common theme in Alice Sheldon's work
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-03-18/ooku/the-inner-chambers-wins-tiptree-award
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/20/books/review/20Itzkoff.html?pagewanted=2&ei=5070&en=ba61d4e03adcb418&ex=1165294800
PD James
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/douthat-incredible-shrinking-country.html
Can't remember the author or the book, and can't find it on my shelves.but a male author took the premise as an alternative to eliminating all men. A planetary ecology was designed by female biologists in which most women reproduced by cloning, and clone groups specialized in particular occupations. In order to deal with almost certain unpredictable changes, stress hormones could result in the births of men and also women who could reproduce with the usual genetic mixing. The story takes place in one of those eres, and follows the story of one of the men and one of the fertile women.