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Kurska

(5,739 posts)
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 06:45 AM Aug 2014

The woman who thinks reducing the male population by 90% will solve everything.

The Femitheist is a 22-year-old criminology student with a three-year-old. One angry day in 2012 she took to the Internet to outline the brutal concept of International Castration Day. After posting it on YouTube she stepped out for a coffee. Returning home a few hours later, she found that all gnashing male hell had broken loose.

While she now derides International Castration day as silly, the internet had met The Femitheist. Two years later she is an emergent cult leader, a ball-stepping villainess, or clear-thinking realist—depending who you ask. Today she continues to support the reduction of the male population and generally courts outrage and devotion through her website and YouTube channel. She’s also 200 pages into what she’s hoping will be her 700 page manifesto outlining the philosophy of Femitheism. It’s tentatively titled The Ratio.

VICE: I assume The Ratio refers to your belief the male population should be reduced to between by 90 percent.
The Femitheist: I believe that conventional equality, with a 50/50 female-to-male ratio, is an inferior system. Essentially my ideas lead to men being made a special class—a far more valued class—having choice of a myriad of women due to the difference in sex ratio. That is my intention. Men would be made more valuable, and their quality of life would be dramatically improved. They would have a subsidised existence if you will, akin to going on an all-expenses paid vacation that lasts from birth to death.

Assuming people are down for that, how could you reduce the male population by that much? Are you talking culling or selective breeding over years?
Obviously men comprise a substantial portion of the victims of violent crime and participate heavily in war, so there will always be deaths there—but certainly not culling. I don't advocate selective slaughter or brutal processes.

Sic....


What about the ambitions of the individual? Some men may aspire to more than luxury breeding pens.:

Some would argue it would be a dystopian world because it wouldn't be free in the present conventional sense. However that is misguided. It will be utopian because it will be a world almost without conflict where people cooperate and are treated properly within a well-engineered and long-forged system. If everything is great for almost everyone the point is null. Survival and socio-organic wellbeing are the most important elements in life. Diversity of principles and standards is only necessary in a world of multiple nations, cultures, societies, and religions due to fear of oppression. So, how is this world any better? Because some people have potential opportunities to do certain things?

http://www.vice.com/read/is-reducing-the-male-population-by-90-percent-the-solution-to-all-our-problems

And before anyone says anything, no one is claiming this woman is representative of all feminists, she doesn't even claim to be feminist but her own "special" kind of thing.

That said, I find it especially disturbing how she seems to be able to openly call for what amounts to a genocide of gay men. They obviously wouldn't have any place in her "utopia" where men are literally just breeding stock. So I find her claims she isn't calling for a genocide highly dubious.

Her being a criminology major disturbs me, would you really trust her to give any man a fair shake in a legal situation?

This has to be my "favorite" quote

"Vice: Like slaves?
Not as slaves, simply as workers performing a duty, in the same way workers today do. Only without the need for monetary reimbursement as they would have no need for such a thing. This would be highly monitored and regulated."

So... slaves.

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The woman who thinks reducing the male population by 90% will solve everything. (Original Post) Kurska Aug 2014 OP
AH.. Ann Coulter's intellectual equal! whistler162 Aug 2014 #1
Horrors! My number says I must seed Ann! Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #51
She seems delightful. Inkfreak Aug 2014 #2
Very interesting. k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Aug 2014 #3
The world never runs out of interesting people. nt Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #4
Men may have the corner on violence but she is an argument that women have it on insanity. CBGLuthier Aug 2014 #5
... littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #9
She didn't slaughter a bunch of men so I'll take her kind of crazy over t male kind every damned day redqueen Aug 2014 #41
You're right atreides1 Aug 2014 #65
No, she doesn't. redqueen Aug 2014 #70
so you would have no problem with forced castration? AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #98
I was making a point. Apparently you missed it. nt redqueen Aug 2014 #100
Oh I got it loud and clear AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #101
LOL, no... you *really* didn't. redqueen Aug 2014 #104
... AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #105
I think she meant that the kind of craziness that blabbers nonsense all over the internet... cyberswede Aug 2014 #109
And Hitler hadn't slaughtered any Jews at the time he wrote Mein Kampf. Liberal MRA Aug 2014 #136
Oh, brave new world. DetlefK Aug 2014 #6
It would make a great Dorian Gray Aug 2014 #15
It would make a great dystopian movie! Outline: DetlefK Aug 2014 #22
DetlefK, you are killing me. Would that you have me die in your arms laughing. eom littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #37
...or a Star Trek episode. cyberswede Aug 2014 #44
I would actually watch that. Jamastiene Aug 2014 #47
I'd love to see women change oil and become the drain pan! Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #55
I've changed lots of oil. Jamastiene Aug 2014 #60
I heard the nacelles (engine covers) of B-17 bombers Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #67
What do you mean "become the drain pan?" cyberswede Aug 2014 #110
I mean, remove bolt and have the oil dump on her. Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #120
I love that some men are so archaic that they think changing the oil is something women can't do. Squinch Aug 2014 #127
For 10 yrs I taught women & men how to change oil, Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #130
Isn't that special. Squinch Aug 2014 #133
Shoulda been in my class, A. J. Coulda used a laugh! Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #135
I love that your post, which simply points out the way women are so often portrayed in films, redqueen Aug 2014 #108
Yes foxface Aug 2014 #7
screw that. n/t eShirl Aug 2014 #8
Take a number, line's over there. Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #56
guess she thinks males have no role in child rearing nookworld Aug 2014 #10
This woman has a child? NickB79 Aug 2014 #11
Agreed. littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #29
I don't want responsibility for even one man. littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #12
What?! No manraged reply to your post? Puzzledtraveller Aug 2014 #16
It's early yet. Give it a few hours. nt littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #17
Men's rights! Misandry! Hypocrisy! Sexism! Hide that post! (Are you happy now?) DetlefK Aug 2014 #23
HAHAHA!!!!!!! littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #31
... NuclearDem Aug 2014 #32
Sounds like a Modest Proposal to me (n/t) thesquanderer Aug 2014 #13
Yep. n/t Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #68
oh my Dorian Gray Aug 2014 #14
Both? eom littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #18
So what is the relationship of this woman and Feminism as practice by many at DU? el_bryanto Aug 2014 #19
There is none .... etherealtruth Aug 2014 #20
"So what is the relationship of this woman and Feminism as practice by many at DU?" Kurska Aug 2014 #21
Femitheist Enrique Aug 2014 #27
I had never heard of this woman before today. Starry Messenger Aug 2014 #30
Find one quickly, time's-a-wastin'. Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #59
Not a problem, as long as I can be part of the 10% DiverDave Aug 2014 #24
she should have kept it to herself Enrique Aug 2014 #25
To be kind malaise Aug 2014 #26
I can hear the defiant cries of "Molon Labe my genitals!" already Lurks Often Aug 2014 #28
Molon Balle! NuclearDem Aug 2014 #33
Don't you love how Conservatives try to compare themselves to heroic figures with slogans like that? stevenleser Aug 2014 #48
What a maroon! badtoworse Aug 2014 #34
Is today "post the rantings of a lone nut case" Day? hlthe2b Aug 2014 #35
I don't understand the point either. betsuni Aug 2014 #38
Strange how there aren't a bunch of posts asking that question. redqueen Aug 2014 #40
I'm quite certain, as I'm sure you are too, sammythecat Aug 2014 #58
It's Friday, isn't it? Shave, shower & shit. Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #62
The point is I wanted to see what DU had to say about it. Kurska Aug 2014 #66
That you didn't KNOW what DU would say about it, aptly demonstrates hlthe2b Aug 2014 #72
The very definition of shooting the messenger. Kurska Aug 2014 #73
No, but i'm not the only one questioning your motives... hlthe2b Aug 2014 #74
Oh god no, not my motivations. Kurska Aug 2014 #75
Who are you to question his/her motives? lumberjack_jeff Aug 2014 #78
Your posts are likewise revealing, jeff hlthe2b Aug 2014 #81
Why is shit kicking bad? lumberjack_jeff Aug 2014 #85
You are accusing me of "having affinity" with someone I stated was a lunatic? hlthe2b Aug 2014 #88
I can't reconcile your degree of angst at discussing the issue... lumberjack_jeff Aug 2014 #89
No. of course YOU can't hlthe2b Aug 2014 #93
Wow - I think we have found Sarah Palin's bizzaro-world twin! hueymahl Aug 2014 #36
Interesting. Thanks for posting. stevenleser Aug 2014 #39
I'm thinking it has got to be a gimmick. Jamastiene Aug 2014 #49
I have to admit I am curious to see her angle on this stevenleser Aug 2014 #53
That would be a lot of women to please PowerToThePeople Aug 2014 #42
Ah, come on, where is your sense of adventure? Jamastiene Aug 2014 #50
That I would =) PowerToThePeople Aug 2014 #52
OMG 10?!?!?! stevenleser Aug 2014 #57
Lol! Jamastiene Aug 2014 #61
She's got it backwards. surrealAmerican Aug 2014 #43
Supply & Demand theory johnlucas Aug 2014 #121
Sad. dawg Aug 2014 #45
Doesn't add up. redqueen Aug 2014 #69
I didn't say anything at all about being treated poorly by members of the opposite sex. dawg Aug 2014 #71
I think some people are born crazy. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2014 #77
What's scary is the future when the technology treestar Aug 2014 #46
May be stupid, but predictable. Old and In the Way Aug 2014 #111
They would have been better off to make it two treestar Aug 2014 #128
What they didn't realize that it wasn't their sons taking care of them. KitSileya Aug 2014 #134
"Crazier than a shithouse rat" hifiguy Aug 2014 #54
never heard of her or her ideas n/t Scout Aug 2014 #63
I think reducing the human population by 90% LWolf Aug 2014 #64
It would indeed AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #84
Doubtful. hifiguy Aug 2014 #99
Er...no. LWolf Aug 2014 #123
Wow! Revisiting..... Laxman Aug 2014 #76
My feminist mentor used to joke about exiling us all to "Macho Island" KamaAina Aug 2014 #79
As a gay man Kurska Aug 2014 #80
But what would you do without Cher? KamaAina Aug 2014 #82
They can visit Kurska Aug 2014 #83
The mainland would be overrun by unsquashed spiders in short order. n/t lumberjack_jeff Aug 2014 #87
And the island would be overrun with dirty laundry and fast food wrappers kcr Aug 2014 #92
DUzys for both of you! KamaAina Aug 2014 #94
Sex starved women would hunt her down AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #86
The breeding stock would be owned by the wealthiest women. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2014 #90
Either that or... AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #91
Only the most committed kooks are willing to accept hifiguy Aug 2014 #102
True that! AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #103
...not all women cyberswede Aug 2014 #113
Not all, no AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #114
Well, I doubt it would be women tearing each other limb from limb cyberswede Aug 2014 #115
"the ravings of an obviously unbalanced 24 year old criminology student." AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #116
She needs a lot of help. Iron Man Aug 2014 #95
This message was self-deleted by its author Courtesy Flush Aug 2014 #96
WTH CARES what this person thinks?! "a 22-year-old criminology student with a three-year-old." Wow. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #97
An Einstein she ain't. hifiguy Aug 2014 #106
Give the Ferguson PD time underpants Aug 2014 #107
Lemme guess, she's planning to sell that manifesto? herding cats Aug 2014 #112
LOL = her own "special" kind of thing. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #117
Ba-zing! hifiguy Aug 2014 #118
Ursula Le Guin wrote a science fiction story about this exact "Utopia"... sibelian Aug 2014 #119
What a fruit loop davidn3600 Aug 2014 #122
What a charming young woman! Liberal_from_va34 Aug 2014 #124
Stupid. Trash. GeorgeGist Aug 2014 #125
Yet you kicked it. redqueen Aug 2014 #129
Just another internet attention whore. n/t leeroysphitz Aug 2014 #126
She's not worth taking seriously bluestateguy Aug 2014 #131
Seems to be a total absence of science fiction fans on this thread eridani Aug 2014 #132

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
5. Men may have the corner on violence but she is an argument that women have it on insanity.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 06:57 AM
Aug 2014

Not really of course since the whole human race is fucking insane but if she can spout bullshit so can I.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
41. She didn't slaughter a bunch of men so I'll take her kind of crazy over t male kind every damned day
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 10:07 AM
Aug 2014

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
70. No, she doesn't.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 11:24 AM
Aug 2014

But I can find quotes from men who do think that men should rape their wives and girlfriends. Their 'loved ones'.

So maybe we should try a little intellectual honesty. Or is that too much to expect?

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
98. so you would have no problem with forced castration?
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 01:20 PM
Aug 2014

That explains a lot.

Would you be OK with the end result? Harems?

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
101. Oh I got it loud and clear
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 01:48 PM
Aug 2014

...when taken in the context of your previous, often stated positions on such matters.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
104. LOL, no... you *really* didn't.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 01:52 PM
Aug 2014

As evidenced by the fact that you asked, apparently in all seriousness, if I was ok with forced castration.

I'm not even ok with infant circumcision FFS.

Yeah, you've got me alllll figured out. Excellent work, detective.

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
109. I think she meant that the kind of craziness that blabbers nonsense all over the internet...
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 02:01 PM
Aug 2014

is preferable to the kind of craziness that actually hurts people.

 

Liberal MRA

(6 posts)
136. And Hitler hadn't slaughtered any Jews at the time he wrote Mein Kampf.
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:13 PM
Aug 2014

But Mein Kampf made it pretty clear what he was going to do.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
6. Oh, brave new world.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 07:05 AM
Aug 2014

Who needs freedom when you can have all the sex you want?

And the thoughts, that a man might prefer to have an exclusive relationship with a particular woman, or that a woman might prefer to have an exclusive relationship with her breeding-bull, are laughable.

It would be an utopia.
* no gay men
* no committed male-female-relationships
* picking the breeding-bulls, erm... men, with abortion and/or selective in-vitro-fertilization and/or a series of life-or-death duels and euthanasia
* Men would be judged solely on their value as flesh.
"What's beyond the compound?"
"Don't worry your pretty huge dick off about that."

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
22. It would make a great dystopian movie! Outline:
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 08:23 AM
Aug 2014

About 4 major characters:
- good authority-figure, female
- bad authority-figure, female
- lover #1, female
- lover #2, male

All those tiny gestures of sexualization of women in movies, like the unnecessary underwear-scene of Dr Marcus in Star Trek, could be turned around. All the women would wear business-clothes and and sweat-shirts. No cleavage, no ass, no legs, almost no make-up. The men would wear really tight clothes and be paraded around in speedos.
A female member of the European Parliament once quipped to a female colleague about a cute new male page: "He belongs between my legs."
This is exactly the tone I would use: Men are objectified and reduced to their sexual side.

First Act:
Two parallel storylines:
1. Two factions are in a bidding war over new breeders. Politics, history, sociology. A world without violent conflicts, instead they are solved with scheming. A rigorious breeding-regime with neverending genetic tests, intelligence-tests and athletic duels for the men.
2. Through some extraordinary circumstances a woman in her late 30s becomes warden of a breeder. She falls in love with him, but he has sex all the time with a rotating cast of 20-year-old girls. And as his warden, she's not allowed to have sex with him. She tries to become friends with him, but he is cautious, because he thinks, she just wants into his pants, like all the other women. A life-time of being used as a sex-machine has left him bitter and cynical. He wants more in his life. After a while, they finally open up to each other. He wants their relationship to start slow, to evolve. He wants talking, he wants feelings. She wants to fuck him already.

Second Act:
The love-scenes alternate with scenes outside of the compound. Everyday-life and everyday-problems in a world without men. Female politicians, female plumbers, female construction-site-workers, female fat-cat bankers with trophy-husbands... And all the porn-magazines are about nude men: black, white, muscled, skinny, shaved, hairy...

Third Act:
The storylines meet:
The bidding war between the factions has evolved into sabotage. Explosion/fire/accident/assassination/kidnapping happens, He dies. Life goes on as always.
"Did you really think, you were the first woman to fall in love with a man?"

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
47. I would actually watch that.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 10:32 AM
Aug 2014

I would probably watch it twice and get others to watch it. I would especially like it if the men in the movie were seen as dumb, no matter how smart they were, ugly, not matter how nice they looked, forced to wear ball bras, forced to only work menial jobs for way less pay, and other various bullshit women have to put up with now. It would be great to completely reverse the rules as they are now and make some people stop and think.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
60. I've changed lots of oil.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 11:03 AM
Aug 2014

I also changed the master cylinder and bled the brakes on my first car. Women can do it and yes, if you change your own oil, you are going to get at least some on your hands. You have to lubricate the gasket on the new oil filter somehow.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
67. I heard the nacelles (engine covers) of B-17 bombers
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 11:18 AM
Aug 2014

were designed by Maidenform. To think, nipple piercing was inspired by adding the prop.

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
110. What do you mean "become the drain pan?"
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 02:04 PM
Aug 2014

I don't get it.

I can change the oil in my car, and in the school bus we used as a camper in college.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
120. I mean, remove bolt and have the oil dump on her.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 03:52 PM
Aug 2014

It's funny. I've seen it done before. Do it once and you learn fast.

Squinch

(50,955 posts)
127. I love that some men are so archaic that they think changing the oil is something women can't do.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 11:38 AM
Aug 2014

As if these guys think it's such a challenge. Which, to some of these guys, I suppose it is.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
130. For 10 yrs I taught women & men how to change oil,
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 11:47 PM
Aug 2014

do a tune-up on pre-electronic ignition cars, change tires, inspect brakes, do under hood check-ups, and how to remain safe when broken down on a highway (pre cell phone days). The vast majority of my students could handle stuff well. But on occasion, I would get a woman (for some reason) who didn't believe oil lurched out more than a half-foot from the oil pan to the receptacle, and who would locate herself where the catch basin should be. Hilarious! I stowed extra towels.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
108. I love that your post, which simply points out the way women are so often portrayed in films,
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 01:56 PM
Aug 2014

was replied to in the way that it was.

 

nookworld

(22 posts)
10. guess she thinks males have no role in child rearing
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 07:17 AM
Aug 2014

the idea of the strong but caring 'father figure' is an ancient out-dated concept.

perhaps the family unit was well

NickB79

(19,253 posts)
11. This woman has a child?
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 07:20 AM
Aug 2014
The Femitheist is a 22-year-old criminology student with a three-year-old.


I feel so sorry for him or her.

littlemissmartypants

(22,695 posts)
12. I don't want responsibility for even one man.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 07:22 AM
Aug 2014

on the other hand...

A sex slave...

Never mind.

Interesting read.

Thanks for your post.

~Lmsp

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
19. So what is the relationship of this woman and Feminism as practice by many at DU?
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 08:12 AM
Aug 2014

I don't see any relationship at all, myself, but wouldn't be surprised if some saw this as a natural outgrowth of feminism, and tried to tar feminism with guilt by association.

Bryant

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
20. There is none ....
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 08:17 AM
Aug 2014

... and I would venture to say that there little or no relationship with feminists any where.

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
21. "So what is the relationship of this woman and Feminism as practice by many at DU?"
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 08:21 AM
Aug 2014

No one claimed one lol.

I've certainly never seen anyone advocate genocide and enslavement of a gender on DU, that would be pretty crazy.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
25. she should have kept it to herself
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 09:01 AM
Aug 2014

this is going to be the basis for a science fiction movie and someone else is going to profit from it.

oh, wait, it probably already has, possibly by Russ Meyer.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
48. Don't you love how Conservatives try to compare themselves to heroic figures with slogans like that?
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 10:33 AM
Aug 2014

As if their demanding to be able to keep a portable instrument that shoots small pieces of metal through the air at lethal speeds compares to 300 Spartans knowingly going to their deaths by standing up to an entire army.

As Yoda might say, "delusions of grandeur, they have."

betsuni

(25,539 posts)
38. I don't understand the point either.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 09:47 AM
Aug 2014

Why was this posted? Is this political or at all relevant to anything?

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
40. Strange how there aren't a bunch of posts asking that question.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 10:05 AM
Aug 2014

When I've posted about common problems like street harassment in the past I get lots of those kinds of responses.

Who says that on DU?

Link to the post where anyone said that here?

Why are you posting this here?

etc etc ad nauseam

sammythecat

(3,568 posts)
58. I'm quite certain, as I'm sure you are too,
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 10:55 AM
Aug 2014

that you can expect demands that you explain and defend this woman and her loony ideas because, deep down, this is what you and all feminists are really all about. And probably multiple times in the same thread.

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
66. The point is I wanted to see what DU had to say about it.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 11:16 AM
Aug 2014

Which is why I'm sure 99% of the articles posted here are posted here. I just posted the article, DU self-selected it as something they wanted to comment on.

Oh and so did you, given you replied.

hlthe2b

(102,294 posts)
72. That you didn't KNOW what DU would say about it, aptly demonstrates
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 11:43 AM
Aug 2014

that your motives were anything than "lilly pure"....

Posting about street harassment as in Redqueen's example up top is to shed light on a widespread problem and might even educate a few on something they rarely consider--and from the viewpoint of the "harassed"..

Posting these rantings that you know are extremist to the degree of infinity and represent no significant group think in the real world--as though they represent a position or a problem that needs to be addressed--is quite something else...

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
73. The very definition of shooting the messenger.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 11:49 AM
Aug 2014

Given we're approaching 100 replies in this thread (2 of which are yours now btw), I'd say DU had rather a lot to say and they found the article very interesting.

I didn't force anything on anyone btw. The only reason the article is here is people are talking about it.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
78. Who are you to question his/her motives?
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 12:10 PM
Aug 2014

An op gets posted and it either sinks or attracts conversation.

In this case, much of the conversation consists of "shh... don't talk about this, you're trying to make me look bad"

Which is in itself, kind of revealing.

hlthe2b

(102,294 posts)
81. Your posts are likewise revealing, jeff
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 12:25 PM
Aug 2014

and not in a good way.

Others recognize shit kicking when they see it in a post--as is amply demonstrated on this thread.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
85. Why is shit kicking bad?
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 12:49 PM
Aug 2014

Is shit not supposed to be kicked?

For a person to feel personally attacked by a post like this requires some kind of affinity for Krista.

#t=51

I was 22 and and therefore an idiot at one time too. Because I grew out of it, I no longer feel that criticism of stupid 22 year olds constitute an attack on me.

hlthe2b

(102,294 posts)
88. You are accusing me of "having affinity" with someone I stated was a lunatic?
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 12:54 PM
Aug 2014

Really? Once again your words speak volumes about YOU. (none of it good)

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
89. I can't reconcile your degree of angst at discussing the issue...
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 01:02 PM
Aug 2014

... with your stated opinion.

"She's a lunatic... but stop talking about her!"

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
39. Interesting. Thanks for posting.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 09:56 AM
Aug 2014

Obviously this woman and her beliefs have nothing to do with feminism.

At first, I thought she was just plain crazy, and she might be.

However, it is undeniable that there was a time when fighting/wars/hunting accidents probably caused the ratio of adult males to adult females to be considerably less than 50-50. Were our societies "better" then? I would be interested in seeing her arguments. Of course regardless of her arguments, we can't do such a thing. But her arguments might be fuel for things we can/should do to change behavior.

That assumes that she does not propose wiping out any section of the LGBT community. If that IS in fact what she is proposing, I am not interested at all.

Then there is the idea that she might be just doing this for the money. i.e. to sell books and hopefully score movie rights $$$$.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
49. I'm thinking it has got to be a gimmick.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 10:36 AM
Aug 2014

Or hoping it is. I don't know any feminists who would really want to do any of that for real. It would make for an interesting movie, but not to really do it.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
53. I have to admit I am curious to see her angle on this
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 10:47 AM
Aug 2014

The idea is looney-tunes but I want to see what she thinks that society would be like.

I've always believed that women have absolutely the same capacity and tendency to be violent/sadistic and megalomaniacs and warmongers and various other undesirable behaviors that men do but because of the unequal nature of our society that has been suppressed to varying extents.

I'm not sure what she proposes would yield the positive changes that she thinks they would but I would be interested in seeing her arguments.

I'm glad no one throughout this thread has tried to equate her beliefs with feminism. I think that is an improvement for DU.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
42. That would be a lot of women to please
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 10:12 AM
Aug 2014

My ego says "bring it on!" But, realistically, there is no way I could have kept up with 10 partners even in 'my prime.' Now that I am older, well shit... Where the hell did I put those pink pills again!?

surrealAmerican

(11,362 posts)
43. She's got it backwards.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 10:15 AM
Aug 2014

Generally societies with many more women than men lead to women being treated very poorly.

 

johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
121. Supply & Demand theory
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 05:19 PM
Aug 2014

The more women there are, the less individually valuable they will be treated.
Surplus. Wealth Makes Waste.
Supply & Demand.

Reminds me of the story of Ganondorf from The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time.
Ganondorf, the first Gerudo male to be born in 100 years, ends up being placed as the King of the Gerudos by an all-female tribe.
It's nature. Females can't exist without males & males can't exist without females.
And if the male-female balance end up like Ganondorf's, the MALE would get the perks because the future of the population would be at risk.
The female Gerudos were fierce tough warriors running prison camps & fighting with blades.
They would end up guarding & protecting this male Gerudo even at the cost of their own life because now the female is expendable compared to the male.

By nature it IS true that less men are needed to repopulate after a Extinction Level Event.
Say we got a group of 11 people left on Earth.
10 men & 1 woman.
VS.
10 women & 1 man.


In that group of 10 men & 1 woman, roughly every 9 months 1 new person would be added to the group.
11 ? 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19...add 1 for each instance of twins, triplets, or other multiples.


In that group of 10 women & 1 man, roughly every 9 months 10 new people would be added to the group.
11 ? 21, 31, 41, 51, 61, 71, 81, 91...add 10 for each instance of twins, triplets, or other multiples.


Look! The numbers are the reverse of each other. 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 vs. 11, 21, 31, 41, 51.
And in each scenario the single person of the opposite sex would be the most valued in the group.
The future of the group's existence depends on that sole person.

Men are sent off to war & are more expendable than women in this society because there is a surplus of them.
Yes, there are less men by percentage than women like maybe a 47% male/53% female split.
But because of biology needing less men to repopulate a society, that 47% exceeds the necessary limit for protect against an Extinction Level Event.
BECAUSE there are a surplus of men, women can be pickier & choosier with what men they want.

Go BELOW that limit & have a percentage like a 20% male/80% female split & suddenly women will be picked to fight the wars.
Men will get the opportunity to be pickier & choosier with what women they want.

China is trying to STOP population so who do they devalue? WOMEN!
By inflating male importance, they move the ELE limit upwards to SLOW population growth.
And you might end up with say a 55% male/45% female split.
In a double move, BECAUSE they have so many people already, this STILL works with sending men to war because it's a surplus on the normal ELE limit.
So they devalue BOTH actually but of the two sexes they devalue women MORE.

Surplus. Wealth Makes Waste.
Supply & Demand.

Be careful what you wish for.
An all-female empire is still an empire.
What difference does it make if it's a man debasing your worth or a woman debasing your worth?
If her scenario panned out, it would be the WOMEN turning against the WOMEN & elevating the MEN.
Ganondorf becomes the King because he's the only male left.

Ever seen how a bee colony works? Male Drones just procreate with the Queen all day & do absolutely nothing else.
All the worker bees are FEMALE.
John Lucas

dawg

(10,624 posts)
45. Sad.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 10:18 AM
Aug 2014

She must not have any men in her life that she truly knows and loves. Flip the genders, and you also have the explanation for some of the more extreme ravings of the MRA types.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
69. Doesn't add up.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 11:20 AM
Aug 2014

Consider how many women and children are victims of violence at the hands of men. There should be the reverse, then - instead of a 'manosphere' full of men whining about women not fucking them/divorcing their sorry/abusive asses. But no. We only have a handful of women like this. It isn't because of being treated poorly that those men act that way, and I doubt her whacked out ideas have much to do with however she has been treated.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
71. I didn't say anything at all about being treated poorly by members of the opposite sex.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 11:27 AM
Aug 2014

I just said that there was probably no opposite-sex person in their lives that they knew and loved. That could very well be one's own fault, and have nothing to do with being mistreated or abused.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
77. I think some people are born crazy.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 12:07 PM
Aug 2014

That the crazy gets enabled and cultivated is an interesting phenomenon.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
46. What's scary is the future when the technology
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 10:19 AM
Aug 2014

might allow for some type of control of sex ratios in the population.

If the patriarchy still have the power, they might create a lot of women for themselves.

If women have some say, they might insist on 50/50 or to have somewhat more male babies to let it be 50/50 into adulthood.

It always struck me as stupid how in China they really want sons over daughters, and their efforts lead them in a generation to a situation where many of their sons can't get wives.

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
111. May be stupid, but predictable.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 02:10 PM
Aug 2014

Back when China was experiencing a population explosion and food production was being outstripped by the increased birthrate, the government instituted the 1 child rule. Given the historical/economic roles of men intheir society...they were food and care providers for parents as they became too old to work the fields, it kind of makes sense that an individual couple would value a son over a daughter. Obviously, that does not play well for a society as the imbalance between sexes widens over time. But China society is changing and couples are beginning to have more than one child, so this may be less of an issue in the industrialized parts of the country.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
128. They would have been better off to make it two
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 01:02 PM
Aug 2014

One girl and one boy.

There was a scifi book I read when young where every family had one boy and one girl.

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
134. What they didn't realize that it wasn't their sons taking care of them.
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 06:51 AM
Aug 2014

It was in fact the wives the sons brought into the family that got that dubious honor, alongside all the other housework.

However, now there's fewer women than men, so many sons won't be bringing wives into the family, ergo, the parents won't have anyone to take care of them....unless these spoiled emperors they've created learn to do "women's" work.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
64. I think reducing the human population by 90%
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 11:09 AM
Aug 2014

would solve a great deal.

For life on the planet.

Through conscious birth control, not genocide.

This, though? I'll confine it to the compost pile, where it belongs.


 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
99. Doubtful.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 01:46 PM
Aug 2014

90% is a bit much, but Earth can comfortably sustain 1-2 billion people over the long term.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
123. Er...no.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 08:25 PM
Aug 2014

10% of the current 7 billion is still 700 million people. The minimum viable population for humans is 160. Not 106 million. Just 160 people. That's according to this source:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1936-magic-number-for-space-pioneers-calculated.html#.U-6jh-NdW3I

Another article, looking at inbreeding over time, suggests anywhere from 99 to 10,000, given various factors.

http://www.eoearth.org/view/article/154633/

At the top 10,000 number, 700 million is still 70,000 times that MVP.

Laxman

(2,419 posts)
76. Wow! Revisiting.....
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 12:00 PM
Aug 2014

the worst Star Trek episode ever made. Do her plans involve pain belts and Spock's Brain?

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
79. My feminist mentor used to joke about exiling us all to "Macho Island"
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 12:22 PM
Aug 2014

I pleaded with her to allow me to stay, as Macho Island's ambassador.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
86. Sex starved women would hunt her down
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 12:51 PM
Aug 2014

...and lynch her.

The remaining 10% of men would be in such high demand that women would literally tear each other apart limb by limb to be next in line. Where do I sign up to be in that 10%?

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
90. The breeding stock would be owned by the wealthiest women.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 01:03 PM
Aug 2014

Women are no better at sharing than men are.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
91. Either that or...
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 01:06 PM
Aug 2014

Fertile men would be allowed ten wives each.

I am sure the kook the article is about would blow a gasket when faced with the end result of her twisted fantasy.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
102. Only the most committed kooks are willing to accept
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 01:49 PM
Aug 2014

the inevitable dystopia their "ideas" would lead to. See Ayn Rand.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
114. Not all, no
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 02:21 PM
Aug 2014

Some women have no interest in sex with men at all, or producing offspring, thought they are in the minority.

What do you think the end result would be?

Thanks in advance!

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
115. Well, I doubt it would be women tearing each other limb from limb
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 02:29 PM
Aug 2014

Though Lumberjack_Jeff's point about the wealthy cornering the market on reproduction seems likely.

Beyond that, I have no interest in speculating about the ravings of an obviously unbalanced 24 year old criminology student.

Response to Kurska (Original post)

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
97. WTH CARES what this person thinks?! "a 22-year-old criminology student with a three-year-old." Wow.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 01:16 PM
Aug 2014

herding cats

(19,565 posts)
112. Lemme guess, she's planning to sell that manifesto?
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 02:17 PM
Aug 2014

Some people will do anything for money.

I think she'd have been better off if she'd have just done the whole thing up as a nice Sci-Fi fiction.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
119. Ursula Le Guin wrote a science fiction story about this exact "Utopia"...
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 03:33 PM
Aug 2014

It's called "The Matter of Seggri". The men aren't terribly happy in it.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
122. What a fruit loop
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 06:41 PM
Aug 2014

Something seriously wrong with that woman. Probably a victim of abuse.

Scary thing is that she's raising a kid.

 
124. What a charming young woman!
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 08:37 PM
Aug 2014

Not! Seriously, she should see a shrink sometime in the near future. It's obvious she's not quite right in the head.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
131. She's not worth taking seriously
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 03:05 AM
Aug 2014

College kids and graduate students go through phases, and this just has to run its course with her. When she's 30 she be ashamed of herself.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
132. Seems to be a total absence of science fiction fans on this thread
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 06:40 AM
Aug 2014

The premise is pretty standard for a number of fictional thought experiments.

Common theme in Alice Sheldon's work

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-03-18/ooku/the-inner-chambers-wins-tiptree-award

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/20/books/review/20Itzkoff.html?pagewanted=2&ei=5070&en=ba61d4e03adcb418&ex=1165294800

PD James
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/douthat-incredible-shrinking-country.html

Can't remember the author or the book, and can't find it on my shelves.but a male author took the premise as an alternative to eliminating all men. A planetary ecology was designed by female biologists in which most women reproduced by cloning, and clone groups specialized in particular occupations. In order to deal with almost certain unpredictable changes, stress hormones could result in the births of men and also women who could reproduce with the usual genetic mixing. The story takes place in one of those eres, and follows the story of one of the men and one of the fertile women.

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