The reason I'm not much on Third Way Democrats is due to that every

[mmonk]

election cycle, their message is that they aren't "that" much of a Democrat, they are "sensible" and "bipartisan" and can work across the aisle (with the most partisan party in history, the tea party influenced Republicans). Now that I'm a gerrymandered voter, I really don't even have to put up with them anymore.

[Bluenorthwest]

1. A quick review of the last several years indicates that they really do not deliver on that 'getting

things done across the aisle' thing. Plenty of Third Way thinking in our current calcified, incapable Congress who have failed to move legislation using their sensible bipartisan magic. The proof is in the pudding, and our Congressional pudding is congealed and stuck in place. What good is all the rhetoric if they can not in fact deliver their promised compromises?

[mmonk]

2. They can't really.

The only way to get things done is if the opposition feels challenged and is forced to compromise thus moving a bill forward.

[MisterP]

3. that and the total embrace of GOP policies while lecturing how GOP policies will pass if we don't

vote in people who believe GOP policies

they're basically the "Third World" faction of the Dems--they act like a typical traditional Latin party, let's say: don't deliver their promises, just bang the drum based on decades-old accomplishments or say that the Other Guys will throw everyone into camps; they're only voted for because one's parents voted for them; their only criterion for whether something's good is "does my leader/faction support it?"

[mmonk]

4. As a southerner who is a victim of the recently destroyed state of North Carolina.

a democratic stronghold since reconstruction UNTIL 2010, I agree with you 100%. And now, at age 57 soon to be 58. I have to look for a civilization for my disabled sons. Of course I blame the crazy rightwing Republicans of today. I also blame the party that abandoned us, labor, teachers, the poor, and the disabled. Now that I'm free of their indifference to the damage as a now gerrymandered voter, due to their cowardice and abandonment, I'm free to tell them to eat their "moderate label" as I look for a new place to live (and people my age with disabled children, nobody wants). If there is such a thing as a heaven and it stands for any kind of justice, our betrayers will burn. But their abandonment and my religion's abandonment for the only "sin" in the universe, I don't think so as a rational human being. I need to leave if I want a better life.