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WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 01:53 PM Aug 2014

"We didn't want the proof to be a mushroom cloud."

So it seems Messrs. Graham and McCain took to the Sunday morning Festival Of Televised Suck to talk about how ISIS was going to burn down an American city, which is why we should never have left Iraq.

We didn't want the proof to be a mushroom cloud.

Iraq had 26,000 liters of anthrax, 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin, 500 tons of sarin, VX and mustard gas, uranium from Nigeria for use in a "robust" weapons program, mobile biological weapons labs, and connections to al Qaeda that led to 9/11...

...ALL BULLSHIT.

They also had these gliders that could strike the American mainland...

...MORE BULLSHIT.

7,000 ISIS dickheads 16,000 miles away don't frighten me about the safety of American cities.

People who allow themselves to be frightened by people like Lindsay Graham and John McCain frighten me.

"How many times do you have to get hit over the head until you figure out who's hitting you?" - Harry S. Truman

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"We didn't want the proof to be a mushroom cloud." (Original Post) WilliamPitt Aug 2014 OP
Where is Colin Powell? leftstreet Aug 2014 #1
Snorting whatever is in that vial WilliamPitt Aug 2014 #2
I'd really like to believe Colin Powell was lied to navarth Aug 2014 #30
Gen Powell was a product of authoritarian America. Following orders is more rhett o rick Aug 2014 #50
Yeah, where is the general? hibbing Aug 2014 #32
Sitting at home knitting...lol SummerSnow Aug 2014 #42
Gah. 47of74 Aug 2014 #49
Lindsey Graham talking about cities in flames bigtree Aug 2014 #3
Ha!! 2naSalit Aug 2014 #5
I'm squirming on this bigtree Aug 2014 #8
Well 2naSalit Aug 2014 #14
Where is his Democratic challenger? yeoman6987 Aug 2014 #23
That's what I wonder. 2naSalit Aug 2014 #31
His name is Brad Hutto beerandjesus Aug 2014 #53
What a load of shit! BobbyBoring Aug 2014 #16
You are correct malletgirl02 Aug 2014 #39
remember bin laden heaven05 Aug 2014 #55
oh my.. jon stewart is going to get the vapors again Voice for Peace Aug 2014 #20
I love it when Jon does Lindsay or is it Loonsay? rickyhall Aug 2014 #43
I'm afraid Jon is going to die from them vapors. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #47
Hey Lindsey SCVDem Aug 2014 #38
Forget about Detroit. beerandjesus Aug 2014 #54
Profits is why!! lark Aug 2014 #58
They are terrified to die. I truly believe that that's the basis for most of the right-wing lies. BlueJazz Aug 2014 #4
Too bad that 2naSalit Aug 2014 #6
50 years ago these people were worrying about Eye-talians and their strange food and churches MisterP Aug 2014 #41
Erect Bogeyman, wave flag, declare we need protection, give more money to the MIC. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #7
Don't forget to use the term "genocide" as much as you can. Maedhros Aug 2014 #9
And, grim looking generals in fatigues and a chorus of "God Bless America". Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #11
McCain and Lindsay have been water carriers and spokespersons for the MIC for a long time. Raster Aug 2014 #13
This is all I can offer: tea and oranges Aug 2014 #10
Good idea. Louisiana1976 Aug 2014 #27
They don't even try to hide it anymore... KansDem Aug 2014 #12
A more apt Monty Python skit: Maedhros Aug 2014 #24
I hadn't seen that sketch... KansDem Aug 2014 #34
McCain and the Republicans are the terrorists.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #15
Exactly... Johnny Noshoes Aug 2014 #17
We had real enemies with real armies during WWII and real SPIES during the Cold War... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #25
They're only killing brown people, right? oberliner Aug 2014 #18
aluminum tubes.... BlueCollar Aug 2014 #19
Botulism toxin also known as Botox Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2014 #21
... littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #22
Since NBC wants to replace David Gregory ... GeorgeGist Aug 2014 #26
Plus they're such a cute couple. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2014 #29
I accidentally watched MTP on MSNBC sunnystarr Aug 2014 #28
Yeah... 2naSalit Aug 2014 #33
Exactly. But those 7000 ISIS(ISIL,TIS) in ballyhoo Aug 2014 #35
Graham was simply making things up as he went. CBHagman Aug 2014 #36
the rite's only way to win is by fear. fear of USSR, FEAR of socialists, fear of blacks, fear of pansypoo53219 Aug 2014 #37
Public Enemy said it best BumRushDaShow Aug 2014 #44
Operation: NORTHWOODS blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #40
I Have No Idea Why Those Two Continously Get So Much Air Time Liberal_Dog Aug 2014 #45
Kicked and recommended an entire shit load. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #46
Gotta keep looking forward though... even if a few 'folks'... PoutrageFatigue Aug 2014 #48
Colin Powell jaxind Aug 2014 #51
War and the fear of war provide so much cash to those invested in the MIC. raouldukelives Aug 2014 #52
There was actually a DU post a couple days ago that said cui bono Aug 2014 #56
[They're] Wrong - NOFX Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2014 #57
 

WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
2. Snorting whatever is in that vial
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 02:00 PM
Aug 2014

and saying, "Why did I allow myself to get mixed up with these fuckwits?"

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
50. Gen Powell was a product of authoritarian America. Following orders is more
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 12:44 AM
Aug 2014

important than principles. There are DU'ers that claim to be liberal that will toss their principles out the window to follow a leader that they think might save them. Their Christian upbringing to obey authority doesn't help.

hibbing

(10,109 posts)
32. Yeah, where is the general?
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 03:48 PM
Aug 2014

All the other lying criminals have been out and about on the liberal media spouting their brilliant critiques of current foreign policy and saying they would have still started the war in Iraq. They can actually double down on that, it is amazing to me.

Peace

2naSalit

(86,798 posts)
5. Ha!!
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 02:16 PM
Aug 2014
Those jokes simply write themselves!

(Disclaimer: I do not advocate the belittling of any group of persons who are in any way leaning toward or of any type of persuasion that others would choose to make fun of. That being said, those who would deny their true identities for political gain and are elected officials for personal gains deserve to be made fun of for those reasons.)

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
8. I'm squirming on this
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 02:28 PM
Aug 2014

deleting the Rude Pundit header -

I apologize for my ignorance and insensitivity. It's a hurtful and unnecessary joke.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
23. Where is his Democratic challenger?
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 03:17 PM
Aug 2014

Why can't the democratic nominees fight these GOP's? Do we want another 6 years of Lindsey?

2naSalit

(86,798 posts)
31. That's what I wonder.
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 03:47 PM
Aug 2014

Glad I don't live there but at the same time, I can't be thrilled about the Senate folks in my state either. I didn't move here based on politics but it was a consideration and a small step up from where I had been for many years.

beerandjesus

(1,301 posts)
53. His name is Brad Hutto
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 10:27 AM
Aug 2014
http://bradhutto.com/

...and he actually seems like a very good candidate. I will be voting *for* Hutto, not just against Lindsey.


I'm hopeful, but not optimistic.

BobbyBoring

(1,965 posts)
16. What a load of shit!
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 02:50 PM
Aug 2014

Am I confused about something? Aren't these the rebels they wanted to arm? Most of the arms they have are ones that we've armed people with.
As far as their coming here, those Toyota pick ups are great sea going vessels.
Mc Cain and Graham need a nice cup of STFU!

malletgirl02

(1,523 posts)
39. You are correct
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 04:50 PM
Aug 2014

They wanted to arm those rebels, in addition anyone who was against arming the rebels because they predicted what is happening now was called an Assad supporter.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
38. Hey Lindsey
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 04:45 PM
Aug 2014

Ever been To Detroit?

Why don't you give a shit about OUR cities killed by mismanagement and economic strife?

lark

(23,158 posts)
58. Profits is why!!
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 01:52 PM
Aug 2014

Profits for the MIC are the end all be all for him. He could care less about anything else, so never discusses it and just uses vapid excuses for us to make war and more war and war all the time. How else is he going to keep his contributions so high?

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
4. They are terrified to die. I truly believe that that's the basis for most of the right-wing lies.
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 02:15 PM
Aug 2014

The thought of the world "carrying on" with out their HUGE egos is just too much for them to handle.
In short> They're scared of not being here.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
9. Don't forget to use the term "genocide" as much as you can.
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 02:34 PM
Aug 2014

That way anyone who objects can be accused of "supporting genocide."

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
11. And, grim looking generals in fatigues and a chorus of "God Bless America".
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 02:37 PM
Aug 2014
The shepherd always tries to persuade the sheep that their interests and his own are the same. Marie Beyle (Stendahl)

Raster

(20,998 posts)
13. McCain and Lindsay have been water carriers and spokespersons for the MIC for a long time.
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 02:45 PM
Aug 2014

A very, very long time.

tea and oranges

(396 posts)
10. This is all I can offer:
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 02:34 PM
Aug 2014

I'll be afraid of the terrorists we created in Iraq when the right wing worries publicly about climate change. Until then, I'm betting on the methane bubbles.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
12. They don't even try to hide it anymore...
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 02:37 PM
Aug 2014

"Gulf of Tonkin?" Could have happened. There was no reason to doubt it, I mean, why would they lie? We went into Vietnam after that and over 58,000 Americans died.

"LHO killed JFK?" Could have happened, although one wondered why Ruby gunned down LHO the very next day. And forget the Zapruder film: there was a magic bullet.

"9/11?" This summarizes my feelings--



The "official version" tells us that Bush "waited for more information." Never mind that there was no communication between Card and Bush. Absolutely none. So how did Bush's staff know he wanted to wait for more information? Oh, yeah, we are told after it happened. Don't believe your eyes!

And I'll never forget the video of Bush telling a room-full of folks that he saw the first plane hit while waiting outside the classroom. You know: the "Terrible pilot" story--


The "official version" tells us that Bush was "confused."

They don't even try to hide it, anymore. They lie and lie, but it's the "official report" that dominates the narrative, no matter how stupid and ridiculous it is. It's the "official story" we must accept, no matter how it contradicts the facts and hard evidence. And the media always reports the "official" story. The "Sunday morning Festival Of Televised Suck" always presents the "official" report.

Reminds me of this Monty Python skit--

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
24. A more apt Monty Python skit:
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 03:20 PM
Aug 2014

Mr. Neutron is Missing



Commander: Mr Neutron! Oh my God! OK - Surround the entire city! Send in four waves of armed paratroopers with full ground-to-air missile support! Alert all air bases! Destroy all roads! We'll bomb the town flat if we have to!

Carpenter: Sir! Sir! He's not in Washington, sir.

Commander: OK! Hold everything! Hold everything! Hold it! Lay off! Lay off... Where is he?

Carpenter: We don't know, sir ... all we know is he checked out of his hotel and took a bus to the airport.

Commander: All right! I want a full-scale Red Alert throughout the world! Surround everyone with everything we've got! Mobilize every fighting unit and every weapon we can lay our hands on! I want... I want three full-scale global nuclear alerts with every army, navy and air force unit on eternal standby!

Carpenter:
Right, sir!

Commander: And introduce conscription!

Carpenter:
Yes, sir!

Commander:
Right!


Commander: Yes?

Carpenter: Captain Carpenter here, sir. We've been on red alert now for three days, sir, and still no sign of Mr Neutron.

Commander: Have we bombed anywhere? Have we shown 'em we got teeth?

Carpenter: Oh yes, sir. We've bombed a lot of places flat, sir.

Commander: Good. Good. We don't want anyone to think we're chicken.

Carpenter: Oh no! They don't think that, sir. Everyone's really scared of us, sir.

Commander: Of us?

Carpenter: Yes, sir.

Commander: (pleased) Of our power?

Carpenter: Oh yes, sir! They're really scared when they see those big planes come over.

Commander: Wow! I bet they are. I bet they are. I bet they're really scared.

Carpenter: Oh they are, sir.

Commander: Do we have any figures on how scared they are?

Carpenter: No ... no figures, sir. But they sure were scared.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
34. I hadn't seen that sketch...
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 03:55 PM
Aug 2014

More apt. Thanks!

Now we know where Donald Trump got his hair style...




Or is it the other way around?

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
15. McCain and the Republicans are the terrorists....
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 02:50 PM
Aug 2014

You are supposed to respond to terrorism with brave indifference.

These idiots are encouraging Americans to crap their pants in fear.

Johnny Noshoes

(1,977 posts)
17. Exactly...
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 03:00 PM
Aug 2014

Just when the hell did we become a nation of frightened 3 year olds, cowering in the corner, sucking our thumbs and clutching our red white and blue blankies. I mean seriously WTF!

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
25. We had real enemies with real armies during WWII and real SPIES during the Cold War...
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 03:24 PM
Aug 2014

Now we are supposed to be scared by a bunch of guys in an old pickup truck.

Okay, so they captured a tank. One shot from the air these days.

What worries me is people like McCain deciding to do a false flag so they don't look like they're crying wolf.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
18. They're only killing brown people, right?
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 03:04 PM
Aug 2014

So why should we care?

As long as they aren't doing it with US weapons....oh wait...

GeorgeGist

(25,323 posts)
26. Since NBC wants to replace David Gregory ...
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 03:31 PM
Aug 2014

why not McCain/Graham crackers. They're already regulars and on the payroll.

sunnystarr

(2,638 posts)
28. I accidentally watched MTP on MSNBC
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 03:45 PM
Aug 2014

What can I say? I had the station on and there it was. I was transfixed and watched the whole thing and couldn't understand why it didn't say "brought to you by the Republican National Committee" at the end.

Filled with Rethugs, one of the highlights was Peter King who was on the "America will be attacked" talking point:



He did have Dick Durbin on so that he could attack everything he said about Obama's leadership.

In the Roundtable, one Democrat, I forget her name now was able to say like two sentences. As I watched her I realized that it seems every time they have a Dem on these stations, 9 out of 10 times it's an African American. I never realized it before today 'cause I don't view with color on the brain and it never registers. I don't believe this is accidental. Even the piece he had on about the political divide in a Wisconsin town featured white Rethugs and the Dem was an African American woman who owned a small business.

The whole conversation was about how unpopular our President is and how bad his foreign policy is and how his domestic policy is in shambles because of his stance on immigration.

We are being brainwashed by the media, the Rethugs, and their corporate masters. It was so depressing and I felt so dirty I had to take another shower.

2naSalit

(86,798 posts)
33. Yeah...
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 03:53 PM
Aug 2014

"America will be attacked..." and they'll see to it just to make sure we are scared enough to swat at the next fly on "the list".

 

ballyhoo

(2,060 posts)
35. Exactly. But those 7000 ISIS(ISIL,TIS) in
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 04:17 PM
Aug 2014

Iraq prove an excellent opportunity for those with an agenda whose name is usually given as an acronym. t

CBHagman

(16,987 posts)
36. Graham was simply making things up as he went.
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 04:18 PM
Aug 2014

This part was particularly shameless:

[url]http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/fox-news-sunday-chris-wallace/2014/08/10/president-obama-doing-too-little-or-too-much-iraq[/url]

Three years ago, Mr. President, you were told by your national security team, get involved, armed the rebels because this problem will grow. You said no.

You made many, many bad bets. Your strategy is failing. You told us bin Laden is dead, we're safe.

Since bin Laden has died, there are more terrorist organizations with more safe havens, with more money, with more weapons, and more capabilities to attack the homeland than there was before 9/11.

Mr. President, if you don't adjust your strategy, these people are coming here.


And Graham does that even though anyone can look up both the transcript and the video of what President Obama said when bin Laden was killed, and it most certainly bore no resemblance to what Graham claimed.

[url]http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/05/02/osama-bin-laden-dead[/url]

For over two decades, bin Laden has been al Qaeda’s leader and symbol, and has continued to plot attacks against our country and our friends and allies. The death of bin Laden marks the most significant achievement to date in our nation’s effort to defeat al Qaeda.

Yet his death does not mark the end of our effort. There’s no doubt that al Qaeda will continue to pursue attacks against us. We must –- and we will -- remain vigilant at home and abroad.


Just once I wish someone in the studio would say to Graham, McCain et al, "Come on! Don't give me that @#!!"

pansypoo53219

(20,997 posts)
37. the rite's only way to win is by fear. fear of USSR, FEAR of socialists, fear of blacks, fear of
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 04:37 PM
Aug 2014

immigrants. fear fear fear. 9/11 was AWESOME for their side.

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
40. Operation: NORTHWOODS
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 04:53 PM
Aug 2014

U.S. Military Wanted to Provoke War With Cuba

In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.

The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.



http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662

Liberal_Dog

(11,075 posts)
45. I Have No Idea Why Those Two Continously Get So Much Air Time
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 08:09 PM
Aug 2014

What do networks believe Graham and McCain contribute to the national discussion?

It is a total mystery to me.

jaxind

(1,074 posts)
51. Colin Powell
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 08:17 AM
Aug 2014

I keep thinking Colin Powell is the only Rethug out there that has some kind of conscience. I keep waiting of him to be eaten up inside by his own conscience, and it bothers him so much that he will finally get out there and talk and condemn the likes of Graham and McCain and Cheney and say something to the effect of "Who the hell are you to be out there giving any kind of advice on how we should be handling Iraq?"

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
52. War and the fear of war provide so much cash to those invested in the MIC.
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 08:49 AM
Aug 2014

It only takes a little green fertilizer carefully shoveled into corporate political mouthpieces by them to spur another round of fear and arms build-up. All they have to do is frame it as protecting Americans and we can assist whatever indigenous population they say needs our special form of assistance.
Those "wars" are always about corporate financial interests and securing those interests to make them and the investors they represent happy. I can't imagine they have ever been happier.
Every body bag, every grieving mother, every shell providing a little extra retirement security to the financial backers and a lot more profit to the industries.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
56. There was actually a DU post a couple days ago that said
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 01:31 PM
Aug 2014

thank god Obama had the balls to bomb or ISIS would come here to kill us.

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