Who would have been better than Obama?
For those who think president Obama has not done a good job, I have a question. Who else who ran back in 2008 from the democratic party would have been better, and why? Assume that everything else would be the same, such as the same congress, republicans winning the House in 2010, etc.
= new reply since forum marked as read
I expect that history will treat him very well, indeed. I also expect that you will not agree. 
Yours isn't an excellent answer either.
Seems to me that if so many can't stand this president, they should be able to say who else that ran back in 2008 could have done better under the same circumstances.
That's like saying OxyClean must be the best detergent the world has ever seen, because Billy mays convinced you to buy it Salesmanship and product performance are completely unrelated.
President to do, and Democrats would have maintained their majority in the House in 2010 and thereafter, and would probably have elected and maintained a 60 vote majority in the Senate. 2010 was the key; we lost our shot at an FDR type Democratic dynasty because Obama is simply too conservative, and did not attempt to tackle the issues that were important to dear to the hearts of a Democratic base that was hungry for progressive change after the fascist horrors of the Bush years.
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2014/04/most-independent-voters-arent-really
We wanted to see a strong attempt at undoing the damage of the Bush years. We got lots of rhetoric instead and futility instead. People were disappointed because they did not see much of an attempt made to solve the real problems that they wanted to get solved. When we saw that our concerns were only going to be minimally addressed, we lost enthusiasm. And the stupid voters among us, as stupid voters will always do when they don't get instant gratification, did not vote. Bad strategy, bad policy, terrible long game by Democrats. They should have all crushed republicans into submissive compliance on day one, instead of asking them to the prom, and then acting so surprised when republicans raped them after the dance.
Just read progressive posts on DU between 2009 - 2010, and you will get a clear picture of why we were slaughtered in the 2010 election, an event that led to what has been, to a large degree, a type of lame duck presidency for Obama.
I'm a lifetime country girl, and one thing every country raised person knows better than anything else:
You gotta make hay while the sun shines if you want to survive.
If you don't make hay before the rain, your hay is useless for feeding the critters or selling for cash, and all you have left is straw that's only good for mulch or bedding.
Now, I'm not saying that Obama hasn't gotten anything of value at all done, he's been pretty good on some civil rights issues, and I am grateful for this. It's just that Kucinich would have done so much more. Kucinich would have made an attempt to subjugate Wall St., and neutralize some of their power.
And, we'd have Medicare for all right now, and private health insurance casinos would be out of business.
.
One of the biggest differences between Obama and Kucinich is that Kucinich is streetwise, and Obama is so naive he actually thought he would be able to work with republicans. Seriously duh. And Kucinich would never have appointed republicans and conservatives to anything, or let holdover republicans hang around and sabotage him. etc, etc,
Anyway, no use crying over spilled milk; it's useless. The problem is, most Democratic voters don't learn their lesson, and are propagandized into voting for whoever the 1% wants them to nominate, so we'll have another Third Way or New Democrat or DLC or whatever the hell they'll be calling themselves President next time around, except if some dumbass Democrats get disgusted and just give up and not vote, giving us a republican President, which will make the 1% even happier than a Third Way President.
And the status quo will be maintained. The rich will get richer, the poor will get poorer, the drillers will keep on drillin', the banksters will keep on robbing us, unions will keep getting busted, politicians will keep on privatizing, and corporations will take even more control of the government and our lives, there won't be a damn thing we can do about it except cry in our cheap Chinese plastic bowl of dollar store mac and cheese.
Sorry if I came off as a bit sanctimonious.
Without the help of congress any president is going to have a tough time make changes, and for the life of me I can't understand why some here won't admit to that.
