I started a topless gun protest because ammo-sexuals still won't shut up

[SecularMotion]

I have lived in Austin for 35 years, and I have seen some weird shit here. But when my friend Lola and I decided on Saturday that enough is enough with the kind of people who take out their guns for play dates, I have to admit that it was my first time actually seeing that particular kind of people ... in person.

In person, and while I was topless.

After all those gun-rights advocates brandished their weapons at Chipotle and Target this spring, everyone knows it's legal to openly carry around your firearms in Texas. Not many folks know that it's also legal for women to go topless in the state's capital city. But I did: in the late '80s, I took part in a lot of performance art that included nudity, so I was familiar with baring my breasts in public.

Now, unlike the wave of people who advocate for their second amendment rights by waving around their guns, I don't normally go shopping without my shirt on – it's a matter of basic respect for others. But since these ammo-sexuals feel it necessary to exercise their right to take a gun out for a date, Lola and I decided to exercise our own.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/29/topless-gun-protest-open-carry-advocates

[pipoman]

1. And she looked as looney fringe

As those who she had never seen wandering around with long guns.

[BainsBane]

90. Why?

How did she look a looney fringe?

[pipoman]

99. How did she not? Not exactly mainstream behavior...

[4b5f940728b232b034e4]

101. Huh?

No, it is the murderers who are looney. Unless you support murder, why would you say she is looney?

[pipoman]

102. what? only one action at a time can look looney?

One guy flashing a crowd from a raincoat, one woman selling dehydrated cat feces. Can only one be looney? Or are neither looney, only "murderers" can be looney? Oh, and who is talking about "murderers"? I didn't see a word about "murderers" in the op...

[stone space]

106. Woudn't the looney fringe be the idiots flashing their guns? (nt)

[pipoman]

109. Asked and answered in post 102 directly above...

[Duckhunter935]

2. trying to get another GD post locked I see

[ileus]

9. You made someone mad with this post.

[Duckhunter935]

10. Wow, that surprises me

almost like someone trying stalking me trying to get me a timeout.

[Heidi]

30. I don't think others' behavior gets anyone a timeout.

As I understand DU3, it's through one's own behavior that a timeout is earned.

[bettyellen]

48. I'm going to disagree, I have seen stalking and

had a ridiculous amount of inoffensive posts alerted on. I only found out because people were PMing me. They came in a huge cluster, and eventually worked. SOme juries will get you for who you are, and not what you post. Happens to Sea all the time. That was pretty weird.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

58. yep.

[HERVEPA]

59. Also happens to Sea for what she posts

[bettyellen]

89. True, but some of the hides were just ridiculous. People seem to be playing the percentages here,

knowing that some may not like the poster and vote to hide even though there's nothing really offensive there. It happens often enough. Both hosts and juries have been shown to play favorites here. It is what it is.

[BainsBane]

91. bettyellen!

Welcome back!

[bettyellen]

92. Thank you BB!

[Duckhunter935]

85. so what was so bad about the post

I made that it was alerted on. Please tell me. The OP already had several posts locked in GD in the last couple of days by failing to follow the SOP. After that kept posting gun posts.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

3. Open carry?

[SecularMotion]

6. It's all the rage among ammosexuals

[Nuclear Unicorn]

7. Do you consider pinkpistols.org to be an ammosexual organization?

[Paladin]

39. I consider the Pink Pistols to be a dead-in-the-water organization.

Open up that website of theirs if you don't believe me; look at all the inactive chapters. Gun radicals like to spew about the Pistols when they think it serves their cause, but there's not much "there," there........

[Nuclear Unicorn]

41. Would you call them Ammo-sexuals?

[Paladin]

44. They're not a viable-enough group to warrant that term. (nt)

[Nuclear Unicorn]

47. Really? Define viable. Because the gun grabbers seem to apply the term without discretion.

[Paladin]

50. As long as we're talking about applying a term without discretion:

I'm no "gun grabber." I'm a long-time gun owner who favors strong controls on the ownership, transfer and use of firearms. Better be nice to me; I'm one of the sensible ones......

[Nuclear Unicorn]

55. At what threshhold is it OK to use slurs against a minority/group?

[Paladin]

62. Are you looking to cloak the pro-gun movement in some sort of minority status?

You've been in the trenches a long time, just like I have. No point in getting hypersensitive at this point......

[LanternWaste]

66. Your oppression is duly noted and given all the credibility it in fact, warrants...

Your oppression is duly noted and given all the credibility it in fact, warrants...

[AgingAmerican]

63. What is a 'Gun Grabber?'

My Republican brother uses that term for anyone who wants to implement any basic gun safety laws.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

65. I'll define mine if you define yours.

A "grabber" would be someone who would ban and/or confiscate guns and/or impose such nuisance restrictions that would make owning and carrying a gun all but impossible but have no effect on stopping illegitimate gun use.

Examples of the latter proposition would be those who demand magazine size restrictions even though mass shootings are not the epidemic portrayed. Another example would be putting fees on guns and ammunition.


So, what constitutes "basic gun safety"?

I would define it as opening the NICS to private sellers and tying use thereof with release from liability on the part of the seller. I think shooting sports should return to schools so a proper culture of safety can be developed. I also think that in light of data such as ~70% of gun homicides involve a killer with a prior felony crime we should be looking for opportunities to interdict those who are actually dangerous because it makes better legal and logistical sense.

[AgingAmerican]

71. Basic gun safety?

Trigger locks. Background checks. Banning large ammo clips used in assault rifles. Closing loopholes in gun trafficking laws. Doing honest studies of gun crime/accident statistics. The stuff Obama proposed.

Outlawing the NRA as a terrorist organization would also be a positive step in the right direction.

[pipoman]

103. Outlaw the NRA?

Sometimes the ignorance of our Constitution is staggering in these parts. Everybody gotta have a boogie man...

[AgingAmerican]

105. Yes

Because it is a terrorist organization. Outlaw it.

[pipoman]

108. It is a civil rights/liberties advocacy group. ..

I get that you hate the 2nd amendment, apparently you also hate the first. You may wish to live somewhere which doesn't allow for freedom of association or freedom of speech, there are plenty of options out there for you.

Now, maybe you can link to a single thing which makes your case of TERRORISM!!! 11! 1

Painfully ridiculous it is...

[AgingAmerican]

121. It is a paranoid

Right wing hate organization. Of course Wayne LaPierre, Sarah Palin, Rick Santorum and all the other right wing crackpots who are members will never admit it, but that's because they are drunk on FOX news Kool-Aid.

They have four aims. Lobby for gun manufacturers, support extremist right wing causes, and arm school shooters. They also assure that terrorists can buy guns.

I will never buy into the bizarro right wing interpretation of the 2nd amendment. I am sorry that you do. There will be no zombie apocalypse, sorry...

Please ignore the fact that the last time we “got hit” big by Al Qaeda on September 11, 2001, the NRA-types in the Bush administration wouldn’t let us check the FBI database to see if any suspected terrorists had bought guns.

On terrorist watch list? No problem! The NRA made sure you can still legally buy guns!! Why? Freedom for terrorists!

NRA Gun Worshipers Support Selling Guns to Terrorists on Watch List, Violent Abusers of Women, and the Legally Blind Carrying Handguns

[pipoman]

122. Lobby for gun makers, eh?

If that were so why wouldn't they be pushing for "universal background checks"? After all every gun sold by gun makers has to have a bg check, why wouldn't the gun makers want the same for all sales?

Keep attributing a bunch of ridiculous shit to them and their industry that doesn't sell enough collectively to make the fortune 500. All of the attributions are just looney conspiracy akin to black helicopters.

The only part you got right is their relationship with the thugs...

I am wholly disappointed to see we have people claiming to be Democrats cheering shrub's terror watch list and "patriot act"...

oh, and i will take from your non response that you do hate the 1st amendment too....so sad where so many in this party have gone...

[AgingAmerican]

123. Yes

They will do/say anything to sell guns. Why does the NRA hate america?

[stone space]

127. The NRA is a civil rights organization???

Now I've officially heard everything.

[pipoman]

131. You do know that each amendment of the BoR

Represents a civil right(s) or liberty(ies), no?

[stone space]

132. Not the 2nd. (nt)

[pipoman]

137. lol

[stone space]

138. What's so funny?

[pipoman]

139. I've heard it said,

'10% of the population reserves the right to ignorance'.

[stone space]

140. Guns don't have civil rights. (nt)

[pipoman]

141. Like I said in #129....

[stone space]

142. I will respect your right to ignorance. (nt)

[pipoman]

143. printing presses don't have civil rights!1!! 1! lol

[LordGlenconner]

74. That's what it means

Background checks for mentally ill people? Barring people from owning shoulder launched surface to air missles, etc.? fully automatic weapons? Anyone who supports those things is a gun grabber in the eyes of some.

[Jenoch]

82. How often are fully automatic weapons used in crime?

[pipoman]

104. Anyone who believes automatic weapons and

"Surface to air missile" bans would have any effect what-so-ever on anything at all, simply hasn't been actually conscious...

[badtoworse]

4. Big deal.

[aikoaiko]

5. That's funny.

After watching the video I found the hypocrisy of the self proclaimed performance artist nauseating.

She makes it clear her purpose is to stop the gun owners display while claiming her right to her own display as an artist and protester. She would probably whine hard if people tried to stop her lawful expression.

Oh yeah, she doesn't like the sight of gunzz!111!!!

Still, I see nothing useful about open carry demonstrations.

[ileus]

8. guns scare people when they're not going about killing people.

[Hoyt]

60. No. Ignorant gun cultists/promoters like these fools should concern everybody, especially liberals.

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I get that some of you are big promoters/lovers of open carry, concealed carry, accumulate as many guns as you can, indoctrinate young kids into gun culture, regularly train to shoot people, etc.

But, people into gunz have taken this crud too far in this country. To keep you guys in gunz, we have to put up with the fools above.

It's time for laws similar to what Australia passed in 1996.

[Lurks Often]

73. Interesting comments from someone who claims he was a criminal

Hoyt (16,750 posts)
43. As a former robber, I locked the door to keep people out, especially police.

Fact is, the "responsible" gun owner shot the clerk.
I guess it's OK with the gun culture since he was "merely" trying to save his ass.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=45338

[Hoyt]

75. Once again Lurk, you need to read things in context. In any event, gun cultists shouldn't get a pass

in the 21st century.

What's your favorite gun to strap to your body when going to Chuck E Cheese or town?

[Lurks Often]

77. So sorry gun ownership makes your profession so difficult for you to practice

It must really bother you to be losing in Congress, most of the state legislatures and in the majority of court cases.

[snooper2]

93. you are so hardcore LOL, I bet you drink wine straight without a chaser!

[Hoyt]

94. I bet you drink wine while toting or fondling your gunz at home.

[snooper2]

95. no gunz, I use a 32cc pole saw for protection while drinking miller light

so when you robbed people did you use a knife like Crocodile Dundee had?

[Hoyt]

96. Carrying a knife like that is illegal in many states, yet almost any yahoo can tote a gun.

[snooper2]

97. you avoided my question, but here is a knife you can use

To stab trolls in the eye!

Fucking trolls everywhere!

[snooper2]

100. Did you fall asleep?

[trumad]

11. Good post

Only because it will bring the gun crazies out from under their rocks.

[Warren Stupidity]

13. FYI

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[trumad]

14. I should have been more specific...

to say that open carry gun nuts.

Oh and the person who called me a troll.... Come out of your hidey hole and reveal yourself.

You won't though--- internet cowards always hide.

[11 Bravo]

98. That got my attention as well. Trolling since 2001. That's some funny shit.

If true, that would have to make you the greatest fucking troll in DU if not internet history!

[riqster]

20. I am a gun owner, and was not offended.

Mine are for critter control in a rural environment, and hence are locked up 99.999% of the time.

I am not a fan of these nutters.

[badtoworse]

15. OK. What happens when they come out?

I'm pretty strong on RKBA and neither the post nor the protest bug me at all. Actually, they strike me as rather infantile.

In any case, I hope the ladies put on a good show.

[trumad]

19. He won't.

[redqueen]

16. She's getting criticisms here that I doubt she would if she fit the FEMEN-approved'

mold.

[JustAnotherGen]

26. +100

[Gothmog]

12. Good job

This protest is very amusing and hopefully effective

[riqster]

17. Back in the 90's, the Lesbian Avengers did a topless protest...

During the Columbus OH Pride parade. They got arrested, sued the city, and won.

In a world where men's boobs get more respect than those of women, such protests are valuable for reasons that might not be directly related to the specific cause being advocated by protester.

[DanTex]

18. DU's ammosexuals don't seem to like this OP. Looks like this was an effective protest.

[aikoaiko]

21. I suppose being an irritation is all you have left

Since legislative and judicial wins are dwindling

[DanTex]

24. Well, I live in NY now. They just passed a law that has (the few) ammosexuals up here pretty upset.

I actually live in NYC which has very sane, European style gun laws, and even less gun crazies.

But you're absolutely correct, in right-wing paradises like South Caroline they are passing laws promoting gun violence, denying women their rights, cutting taxes for millionaires, and all the rest of the stuff that gun nuts like.

[badtoworse]

25. Is that the law that upsate sheriffs have said they won't enforce?

[DanTex]

27. Might be. We've definitely got some Cliven Bundy types in parts of the state.

It's mostly a liberal state, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if there were some wacko right-wing sheriffs out there somewhere.

[badtoworse]

31. Downstate is liberal, the rest of the state is not

The estimates I've seen on the net put compliance at about 10% with little or no enforcement by law enforcement. That's an awful lot of Cliven Bundy types. ETA: it's not clear to me that the state police are enforcing it either.

[DanTex]

32. Depends on how far upstate, but yeah. Fortunately I live downstate.

But even upstate, the Cliven Bundy culture isn't nearly as bad as it is in, say, Texas.

I'm not sure what 10% compliance actually means, or where you read that. Most New Yorkers don't own guns, so they are automatically compliant.

[SecularMotion]

37. That's not true

The mayors of all large cities in upstate NY state are Democrats.

Buffalo

Rochester

Utica

Syracuse

Albany

[badtoworse]

43. How's the SAFE Act doing in those cities?

Are people complying with it? Are those mayors enforcing it?

[hack89]

33. I hear NYC gun violence has gone up since stop and frisk was forbidden

you must really miss Bloomberg. How many times did you vote for him?

[DanTex]

35. DeBlasio was my first NYC election, and I think he's great.

You would have preferred the Republican candidate Joe Lhota but he only got about 25% of the vote. The NRA stuff doesn't go very far in NYC, one of the many reasons why this city is so great.

[hack89]

36. So you don't like Bloomberg's gun control positions?

he is the leading anti-gun politician in the country. He is spending millions for gun control - he is even willing to go after incumbent Dems that don't toe the line. I bet he makes you all tingly.

[DanTex]

72. I do, as does the majority of the Democratic party, including Bill DeBlasio.

You, on the other hand, like Sarah Palin's gun control positions. And since guns are the only thing you ever talk about, it stands to reason that you agree with Sarah Palin on most everything else, too.

[hack89]

79. I actually support most of Bloomberg's positions

the only two gun control measures I do not support are AWB and registration.

However, an RW billionaire with an astroturf organization run by an ex-Monsanto PR exec would make most Democrats take pause - especially since he has said he will spend money against incumbent Democrats.

[DanTex]

80. You are an NRA supporter, one of the most despicable right-wing organizations

in America. Your gun rights leaders are Ted Nugent and Grover Norquist. So I really don't think that you want to be playing the "bedfellows" card.

[hack89]

81. Yet I vote for real Democrats

everyone of my representatives in DC supports gun control. Because I know that the President and the Senate have my back. For all your blather about the NRA, it is Harry Reid and other pro-gun Dems that stand in the way of your gun free utopia. Is that why Bloomberg's willingness to oppose incumbent Democrats doesn't bother you one iota?

[DanTex]

83. Yeah, you keep saying that...

And yet all you seem to post about are your right-wing views on guns. Hmm. Oh wait, you're also evidently in favor of wholesale violence and murder of Palestinian civilians (there's a shock).

As for Bloomberg, I think right-wing Dems should be primaried. I don't know of a single liberal Dem who is pro-gun. For the most part, Bloomberg is going to be supporting Democrats over Republicans, because of where the parties stand on guns. The fact that you oppose him so strongly is also somewhat puzzling next to your repeated claims that you vote for Democrats.

And BTW, Harry Reid came out in favor of the AWB.

[hack89]

84. So supporting gun control with only two exception is RW?

that is black and white standard you have there. So an AWB and registration are litmus tests for Democrats in your mind?

An AWB as proposed by Diane Fenstein is security theater. Anything that wouldn't have stopped Sandy Hook is security theater. I have never understood this notion that an AWB will save significant numbers of lives when it doesn't remove a single rifle from circulation.

The ACLU does not support registration due to privacy concerns.

[Lurks Often]

40. The 7 round limit as already been struck down in court

http://www.volokh.com/2013/12/31/new-york-7-round-limit-struck-second-amendment-grounds-assault-weapons-ban-10-round-magazine-ban-upheld

The real question is which state's gun law will be overturned in court first, CT or NY. From what I have heard, those bringing suit in court expected to lose the case and in both cases, the judges language in the decision gave at least supporting credence to the gun owners suit.

[Katashi_itto]

111. +1000

[NYC_SKP]

61. Oh No You Dint!

Perfecto! Imma steal that one...

That said, I think the idea of a topless protest against anything is brilliant. Our culture is way too uptight as it is, guns, boobies, both are so frightening!

PS: I'm an old school liberal, back in the 60s and 70s we didn't see guns as a bad thing, per se, we understood that the RKBA might be important one day in the future.

[LanternWaste]

67. That being the case, it seems as though 'Gun Grabbers' are as rare and mythical as Welfare Queens...

That being the case, it seems as though 'Gun Grabbers' are as rare and mythical as Welfare Queens, rather than being gifted with the power, the reach and the grit so often attributed to them...

[aikoaiko]

69. I wouldn't say mythical as much as extinguished.

[8_Point]

22. What an odd article...

... And author.

[Agschmid]

23. Yep...

[Matrosov]

28. Open-carry advocates are useful

There is no need to protest the open carry movement. In fact, we should encourage groups like Open Carry Texas to stage more of their "protests."

So far all they've done is bring negative attention on themselves, scare people who might not have even cared about open carry before, and forced Target and others to make statements against firearms on their property. Open carry advocates are useful like that.

[Paladin]

42. +100. (nt)

[Katashi_itto]

113. I am all for open carry. The more the loons show themselves off the better in the long run

Letting people see how crazy they are is a great thing.

[Gore1FL]

29. This is probably more effective:

http://www.pqed.org/2014/06/how-should-people-respond-to-open-carry.html

[stone space]

107. Excellent!

My proposal is as follows: we should all leave. Immediately. Leave the food on the table in the restaurant. Leave the groceries in the cart, in the aisle. Stop talking or engaging in the exchange. Just leave, unceremoniously, and fast.

But here is the key part: don’t pay. Stopping to pay in the presence of a person with a gun means risking your and your loved ones’ lives; money shouldn’t trump this. It doesn’t matter if you ate the meal. It doesn’t matter if you’ve just received food from the deli counter that can’t be resold. It doesn’t matter if you just got a haircut. Leave. If the business loses money, so be it. They can make the activists pay.

Let the gun nuts pay.

[Lurks Often]

110. Enjoy your interaction with the police and your new criminal record

Those places are going to blame YOU and probably file criminal charges and somehow I don't think "the open carry people scared me so much I had to leave without paying" argument is going to carry much weight with the police, prosecutor or judge. You may or may not get lucky with the jury depending on what state you live in.

[stone space]

112. I'm not going to waste any time around these armed nutcases.

If you want me thrown in jail for that, that's on you.

[Lurks Often]

114. That is entirely your choice and right,

but if you leave without paying, sooner or later, probably sooner, you will be arrested, charge and convicted of a crime, whether that crime is a misdemeanor or felony will depend on state law and the value of what you chose not to pay for. Again, enjoy your interaction with the police and your new criminal record.

[stone space]

115. You seem intent on jailing people who run from gun nuts. (nt)

[Lurks Often]

116. Nice try, but fail

By leaving without paying you have committed a crime and as such, are subject to the penalties under law of your applicable state.

As I have stated, it is entirely your choice and right to leave, but make sure you factor in ALL of the consequences, since a criminal record, even just a misdemeanor charge, can effect your live in less then an optimum way.

[stone space]

124. Sorry, but when I see an armed gun nut in a resturaunt, I run.

If you want to make that a crime and throw me in jail for running away, then so be it.

That's the kind of so-called "law-enforcement" that you support.

[Lurks Often]

125. You make all the excuses and rationalizations you want,

but under the law it is YOU who will be considered the criminal for leaving without paying, not the person open carrying a gun, presuming open carry is legal where you live.

[stone space]

126. You are attempting to criminalize...

...fear and running away from armed gun nuts.

[Lurks Often]

128. Another fail from you

The crime is not the fear or running away from open carriers, the crime is leaving without paying. If you are that scared, why aren't you calling the police? Is it because the police respond to such calls with "Open carry is legal here"?

Maybe you should spend less time on the internet complaining about it and more time in the real world trying to get the open carry laws in your state repealed.

[stone space]

129. No resturaunt owner is going to prosecute its own customers...

...for running away at the sight of an armed gun nut.

Your authoritarian fantasies are just that...fantasies.

[Lurks Often]

130. I'm thinking you are the one with the fantasy issue

I don't expect too many restaurant owners allowing to you to leave with out paying and then letting you return the restaurant.

As long as you are willing to accept the potential consequences you are free to do what you like. You might want to consider that the restaurant owner isn't bothered by customers open carrying, because otherwise he would have posted a sign forbidding it, something that is allowed by every state that has open carry.

You might want to remember that for every open carrier you see, there are probably two to three times the number carrying concealed.

I noticed you avoided addressing most of my post:
If you are that scared, why aren't you calling the police? Is it because the police respond to such calls with "Open carry is legal here"?

Maybe you should spend less time on the internet complaining about it and more time in the real world trying to get the open carry laws in your state repealed.

[stone space]

133. I wouldn't return without a clear policy statement...

...from the restaurant supporting my right to dine safely with my family, and an apology for our spoiled meal-turned-nightmare.

I don't expect too many restaurant owners allowing to you to leave with out paying and then letting you return the restaurant.

I certainly don't anticipate any sort of prosecution for running away at the sight of a gun.

That's just a silly gun fetishist fantasy of yours, with absolutely no basis in reality.

[Lurks Often]

134. I question your grasp on on reality

if you really expect a lot of restaurant owners to give you "A clear policy statement from the restaurant supporting my right to dine safely with my family, and an apology for our spoiled meal-turned-nightmare."

Like I've said repeatedly, it's your choice.

Still avoiding the questions:
If you are that scared, why aren't you calling the police? Is it because the police respond to such calls with "Open carry is legal here"?

Maybe you should spend less time on the internet complaining about it and more time in the real world trying to get the open carry laws in your state repealed?

[stone space]

135. Calling the police ranks second...

...to getting my family and myself out of there.

It's a lot easier to call the police from a safe distance with the armed gun nuts far behind me.

Again, your fantasies of prosecution for running away from armed gun nuts are just that...fantasies.

[Lurks Often]

136. I'm thinking you'll be the one to find out one way or the other

And I enjoy how you avoiding commenting on parts of my response to you:

If you really expect a lot of restaurant owners to give you "A clear policy statement from the restaurant supporting my right to dine safely with my family, and an apology for our spoiled meal-turned-nightmare." then maybe you're the one with reality issues.

How do the police respond to calls about open carriers in your state?

Why aren't trying to get the open carry laws in your state repealed?

[MadrasT]

34. This is fucking hilarious, in a good way. Best use of a topless protest I have ever seen.

I normally think "topless protests" are ridiculous, when women are using them to try to gain support for their *own* rights. But as a protest? Hilarious. I love it.

From one of the links in the linked article:

Come and Take It Texas, a group affiliated with the open carry movement, is complaining that topless protestors are ruining their monthly walks in support of gun rights.

They are being “trolled by skanky topless libtards,” one post on the group’s Facebook page reads. Another post identifies the counter-protestors as members of Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America (MDA), even though they made no claim to being affiliated with that organization.

Awesome.

I love that they are exercising their rights to open-carry their breasts, and pissing off conservatives at the same time.

[redqueen]

49. Agreed. nt

[Lurks Often]

38. Yawn, just another gun control extremist

thinking that her actions are going to make the slightest bit of difference.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

46. I think her actions will make a difference.

She'll take the heat off of the open carry contingent as being the biggest fools on the sidewalk.

[Paladin]

51. No, the open carry jerks will keep that status. (nt)

[otohara]

53. Have The Death Threats Started?

that's usually how the gun-nuts respond.

[Lurks Often]

70. She isn't even worth threatening

and death threats come from both sides.

[Xyzse]

45. I unfortunately don't see that as being effective since some of them would consider that a reward.

It would also just upset a host of other people who are not in any way part of that debate.

I support their attempt, but I just don't think it is the best way.

[user_name]

57. agree, 100% nt

[oneshooter]

52. Here is coverage of the "protest".

http://buzzpo.com/mda-supporters-protest-topless-texas-open-carry-group/

[liberal N proud]

54. More boobs, less guns

I could live with that!

[Eleanors38]

56. She's never heard of "Liquor Guns" in Uvalde, TX.

[Lee-Lee]

64. "Ammosexual"- any way you play it that term has homophobic overtones

By using the "xxxxxxsexual" meme as an attack on anything you are implying that the association with groups traditionally described in terms ending in "sexual" (homosexual, transsexual, bisexual) is bad, and then using the association of the target group with them as an insult.

I'm disappointed it's found here, but I guess homophobia is ok when it's used to attack a group you don't like.

[Matrosov]

68. Heterosexuals

Heterosexuals comprise the largest group of "sexuals," and obviously there's nothing homophobic about that term.

"Ammosexuals" is meant to imply gun owners have a certain sexual attachment to their firearms, though I don't think using terms such as "ammosexuals" and "gun nuts" helps our cause much. Let's stick to logical reasoning.

[Warren Stupidity]

78. that is nonsense.

But thanks for trying. I'll give you a +1 for "inventive ways to try to suppress anti-gun discussions".

[BainsBane]

76. Every line those open carry guys are saying

I have heard a million times on this site.

[badtoworse]

86. Would leering be OK in this situation?

[Eleanors38]

87. As long as it isn't a "male gaze," don't knocker it.

[badtoworse]

88. So it's OK to leer as long as you're being offended,...

...but just enjoying the view is a no-no. I guess there's logic there somewhere.

[redqueen]

117. This thread is interesting.

Not only are the voices who usually fall all over themselves to cheer topless protesting conspicuously absent, but some people here seem to be actually siding with open carry loons.

I hope I'm wrong about that last part and that it's just a misunderstanding of the point some are trying to make, because damn.

[badtoworse]

118. I agree; it's very interesting.

People opposed to open carry? Nothing new there. The topless aspect is an interesting wrinkle though. It seems to me that we have two groups engaging in conduct they know will be offensive to at least some people. The topless women are almost certainly offended by open carry, I would expect that the open carry types would enjoy the presence of topless women, even if they're against what they're doing. It's not clear to me who comes out ahead with this, the open-carry crowd or the topless protesters.

I am curious about the feminist opinion about proper protocol during a topless protest. Is it OK for the targets of the protest to enjoy it? Commentary about the weapons being openly carried would seem to be acceptable (e.g. your AK-47 is rusty), but is commentary about the breasts being openly displayed also acceptable? What about leering? I think it's unreasonable for a woman parading topless in a public place to expect the same consideration in respect of her body that a normally dressed woman should expect. What do you think?

[redqueen]

119. LOL

I think it's unreasonable for a woman parading topless in a public place to expect the same consideration in respect of her body that a normally dressed woman should expect. What do you think?

I think you demonstrated quite well why I'm not going to bother

[badtoworse]

120. You're no fun.

[Eleanors38]

144. This still hangin' around?

[Crunchy Frog]

145. My takeaway after reading this thread

It looks like most liberals and progressives are more offended by the public display of boobies than by the public display of assault weapons.

I'm beginning to wonder how the human race manages to propagate itself.