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Galraedia

(5,026 posts)
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 06:59 PM Aug 2014

Israel's "Human Shield" Hypocrisy

The Israeli-American (Let's never forget this is a team effort!) slaughter in Gaza is so horrifying that I've been at a loss to find the words to comment on it without letting anger get the better of me. The media coverage of what's happening, dominated by the ridiculous notion that Israel is "defending" itself, is so grotesquely mendacious, hypocritical, and racist (imbued with colonialist ethno-supremacism) that it is hard to know where to begin critiquing it--without, again, becoming enraged.

For the moment, I'll focus on one particular, insistent meme, constantly being promoted by Israel and its apologists, namely that Hamas is using civilians as "human shields." The idea is that for Hamas to place any kind of military personnel anywhere in or near a civilian neighborhood constitutes using all the civilians in that neighborhood as "human shields." Furthermore, it makes of that neighborhood a legitimate "military" target for devastating Israeli attack, absolves Israel from any culpability for the scores of resulting dead, blown-apart civilians including children, and places all moral and legal responsibility for those victims on the Palestinian resistance fighters who dared appear anywhere near civilians.

So, for example, the personal homes of Palestinian political and military leaders, construed as "command and control centers," are legitimate military targets. If a Hamas functionary lives with his family of five children in an apartment building of 8 stories with 4 apartments per floor, it is perfectly legitimate to bomb that building and kill all 32 families--"human shields," after all--in order to destroy that "command and control center."

This "human shields" argument is what allows Israeli officials, as Noura Erakat points out, to "openly admit that they are deliberately and systematically bombing the family homes of suspected militants," killing whole families. It suggests an ethic that supposedly justifies an Israeli offensive which produces 75-80% civilian causalities , 33% of which are children, among the Palestinian population (and somehow renders insignificant the contrasting fact that almost 100% of Israeli casualties from Palestinian resistance operations are military). To hear it in the American media, poor, anguished Israel actually becomes the victim of all these "telegenically dead," deliberately sacrificed, Palestinian "human shields."

Read more: http://www.opednews.com/articles/Israel-s-Human-Shield-Hy-by-Jim-Kavanagh-Gaza-Invasion_Human-Shield_Israel-Attacks-Gaza_Israeli-Attacks-On-Gaza-140803-679.html

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Israel's "Human Shield" Hypocrisy (Original Post) Galraedia Aug 2014 OP
Yes, thanks for this... randys1 Aug 2014 #1
Take a step further back.... obxhead Aug 2014 #3
Amnesty has a position here... randys1 Aug 2014 #6
and yet you won't consider years of oppression. obxhead Aug 2014 #10
Please dont tell me what I think or consider, I have no axe or position on this issue randys1 Aug 2014 #19
And yet even when they stay in their homes those homes become their coffins. Galraedia Aug 2014 #15
1,800 to 69 malaise Aug 2014 #4
So those are the only two options? "Grossly disproportionate" or "nothing"? Scootaloo Aug 2014 #5
Oh hell no and I have repeatedly said so... randys1 Aug 2014 #7
It's genocide AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #2
This is the nature of war nookworld Aug 2014 #8
War? 1800 to 4 civilian deaths? Some people have problems with math and language. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #9
So if you're Israel, how to you keep your people safe? nookworld Aug 2014 #11
The already negotiated peace plan of 2 years ago, the one Bibi can not tolerate. Hundreds of illegal Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #12
makes little sense nookworld Aug 2014 #16
Hamas didnt fire a single rocket for 20 months shaayecanaan Aug 2014 #17
Hamas welcomes this kind of justification for their terror campaign seveneyes Aug 2014 #13
Actually, Israel has killed about 100x as many innocents as Hamas recently. DanTex Aug 2014 #20
Woah. That article has a hell of a graphic picture of a dead child. aikoaiko Aug 2014 #14
That was the father who was screaming shaayecanaan Aug 2014 #18

randys1

(16,286 posts)
1. Yes, thanks for this...
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 07:08 PM
Aug 2014

What I dont understand is how americans sitting at home, posting on DU or whatever, can be so sure of EITHER side of this...

If someone was shelling my town and killing people, not very efficiently but randomly, and the only way I could stop it was to fire on homes where I knew the bad guys were but also innocents, what would I do?

What would you do?

At the same time, if my response was disproportionate to the attack on me, as it seems Israel is guilty of, then there is that too.

I just dont know how so many Americans with zero personal experience with the issue can be so certain on either side of this.

What is absolutely clear to me is Israel's response is disproportionate and is bordering on a massacre...that much seems clear, but to do nothing in response to attacks also seems off.

 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
3. Take a step further back....
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 07:19 PM
Aug 2014

If your home town had seen a majority of it land annexed for countless reasons limiting your space you would he outraged. If you went to the grocery store and the shelves were empty not because of a holiday, but because the goods were blocked you would be outraged. If you took your child to the hospital and were told he/she had a treateatable issue, but the medicine wasn't available due to your neighbors...... You might think of taking action.

This started long before projectiles were launched. Gaza has been oppressed horribly. They're being mild in my mind.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
6. Amnesty has a position here...
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 07:25 PM
Aug 2014



http://www.vox.com/2014/7/30/5937119/palestinian-civilian-casualties-gaza-israel


Amnesty International, which has a number of people on the ground in Gaza and consistently condemns Israeli and Palestinian abuses alike, announced recently on its site that it does not see proof of Hamas using human shield — but they added an important asterisk.

"Palestinian armed groups have stored munitions in and fired indiscriminate rockets from residential areas in the Gaza Strip," an Amnesty report noted recently. The groups have also "reportedly urged residents in some areas of the Gaza Strip not to leave their homes" after Israel had warned it would attack the area, all of which have the effect of putting Palestinians at risk in the fighting.
 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
10. and yet you won't consider years of oppression.
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 07:43 PM
Aug 2014

Add to the fact that you can't stand anywhere in gaza without being in a residential area.

You fight with what you have. If its just a handful of rocks, then that's what you throw.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
19. Please dont tell me what I think or consider, I have no axe or position on this issue
Tue Aug 5, 2014, 12:44 PM
Aug 2014

I consider everything, but you know what, if there is to be a resolution both sides will have to compromise to some degree

the only compromising the Palestinians could do is to renounce Hamas, which Israel will never accept, I realize they have done next to nothing else wrong, so to speak

and what Israel has to do is stop all the nightmare they have put on these people

but you know, when someone like myself, genuinely concerned for all and just seeking information and resolution, when I get attacked then there is little hope that a reasonable resolution can happen

I am not important, i dont mean me i mean my innocent and honest attempt to find out information and reason with the issue and there are many like me, doubtful any like that in power in either Israel or Hamas, that is the problem

randys1

(16,286 posts)
7. Oh hell no and I have repeatedly said so...
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 07:26 PM
Aug 2014

I am well against the horrific disproportionate response by ISRAEL


also there is this










http://www.vox.com/2014/7/30/5937119/palestinian-civilian-casualties-gaza-israel


Amnesty International, which has a number of people on the ground in Gaza and consistently condemns Israeli and Palestinian abuses alike, announced recently on its site that it does not see proof of Hamas using human shield — but they added an important asterisk.

"Palestinian armed groups have stored munitions in and fired indiscriminate rockets from residential areas in the Gaza Strip," an Amnesty report noted recently. The groups have also "reportedly urged residents in some areas of the Gaza Strip not to leave their homes" after Israel had warned it would attack the area, all of which have the effect of putting Palestinians at risk in the fighting.
 

nookworld

(22 posts)
8. This is the nature of war
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 07:27 PM
Aug 2014

civilians get hurt.
I don't see how Israel can protect it's own citizens from attack if they allow 'safe zones'

Sad that these two sides will probably never stop killing.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
9. War? 1800 to 4 civilian deaths? Some people have problems with math and language.
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 07:38 PM
Aug 2014

World military power versus a militia in a prison.

Never heard of a human turkey shoot being called a "war" before, but then never heard of an entire apartment building and it's occupants being human shields either.

 

nookworld

(22 posts)
11. So if you're Israel, how to you keep your people safe?
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 07:51 PM
Aug 2014

Keep in mind..

Their enemy constantly shoot rockets at... their civilians.
Their enemy refuses to follow truces
Their enemy refuses to wear uniforms, preferring to hide wherever they can.
Their enemy digs elaborate tunnel networks
Their enemy sends suicide missions against your civilians
Their enemy vows the complete & total destruction of your nation.

so...what's the plan?

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
12. The already negotiated peace plan of 2 years ago, the one Bibi can not tolerate. Hundreds of illegal
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 07:54 PM
Aug 2014

settlements on occupied Palestinian land will not be let go.

 

nookworld

(22 posts)
16. makes little sense
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 08:51 PM
Aug 2014

Hamas has demonstrated they will not honor any negotiated truce short of total destruction of Israel
Why should this time be any different?

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
17. Hamas didnt fire a single rocket for 20 months
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 09:01 PM
Aug 2014

until Israel started killing and arresting its members for a crime it turns out that they didnt correct.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
13. Hamas welcomes this kind of justification for their terror campaign
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 08:02 PM
Aug 2014

It helps them rationalize their actions against innocents.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
20. Actually, Israel has killed about 100x as many innocents as Hamas recently.
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 12:55 PM
Aug 2014

I guess you haven't been following the news very closely. It's Israel committing the mass murder, not Hamas.

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
18. That was the father who was screaming
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 09:04 PM
Aug 2014

"wake up my son, I brought you new toys"

Ive seen too much of this shit to be bothered by it too much, but still, my heart bled for him.

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