CSM: 10 brands you'll have to give up if you're boycotting Israel

[Algernon Moncrieff]

2. Victoria's Secret



The popular lingerie company is one of the largest clients of Delta Galil, which operates a textile factory in the West Bank industrial zone of Barkan as well as a shop in the settlement of Maale Adumim. Palestinians have also criticized the company for establishing its headquarters on land expropriated from Palestinians in the Galilee.

Complete list at: http://www.csmonitor.com/World/2014/0130/10-brands-you-ll-have-to-give-up-if-you-re-boycotting-Israel/Victoria-s-Secret

[hack89]

1. Thanks for the shopping list. Nt

[Comrade Grumpy]

16. Can't wait to see you in your new lingerie. n/t

[hack89]

22. I have the long legs to pull it off nt

[IronGate]

23. Can't wait to see what my wife looks like in her new lingerie.

We're going into the city today just to buy some from Victoria's Secrets.

[enid602]

26. Perfect

Perfect for a roll in the hay after watching the nightly bombings

[IronGate]

27. LOL.

Perfect for a roll in the bed after watching Israel defend itself from the terror org Hamas.

[sabrina 1]

37. I hope you have a whole lot of money to spend on Victoria's Secret to make up

for the millions who will be participating in these boycotts.

Good luck with your shopping, they are going to need you.

[antiquie]

2. No problem for me, except Intel.

They list hummus, except Sabra is the brand, no need to give up the dip, lots of sources, or make your own.

[PFunk]

4. same here.

'sides trying to avoid intel is now almost like trying to avoid water.

[BlueMTexpat]

20. Same here. :(

And you're right. There is really no substitute.

I also have an HP printer.

[hifiguy]

13. Ditto for me.

And I will keep this list in mind.

[hfojvt]

15. kind of impossible to boycott intel

but so far, none of these are things I buy anyway

1. pampers
2. victoria's secret
3. volvo
4. intel
5. hummus
6. motorola
7. hewlett packard
8. ahava
9. mcdonalds!!! (he gasps and passes out, actually I hardly ever go there, maybe six times a year if I am travelling or something)
10. soda stream

[DAMANgoldberg]

29. Alternatives...

1. Huggies or Luvs
   
2. Fredricks's of Hollywood
   
3. Freightliner, Kenworth, Peterbilt
   
4. AMD, ARM, nVidia
   
5. no opinion
   
6. sony, microsoft lumia, samsung, apple
   
7. canon, epson, dell, lenovo
   
8. maybeline, estee lauder
   
9. many QSR's
   
10. no opinion
    

[sakabatou]

36. It's difficult to not use Intel chips

[kentauros]

46. As mentioned above, you can avoid Intel.

If you're talking about existing computers with Intel chips, don't worry about it. The money has been spent, and long before you knew it was an issue.

Just consider this in future purchases of computer tech, as will I

[tritsofme]

3. I would be proud to support any of these companies

If for no other reason than to cancel out the BDS loonies.

[Violet_Crumble]

30. Even the ones that operate in the West Bank?

Do you think people who refuse to buy any products made in Israeli factories in the West Bank are loonies?

[tritsofme]

31. Yes, that is what I think of BDS.

[Violet_Crumble]

33. So you're calling me and other DUers who boycott settlement products loonies?

Heh. It's kind of cute we anger you so. But while I don't boycott Israel, I think it's morally bankrupt to go searching for products made in the West Bank as a 'Yay! Israel! Yay! Occupation!' sort of thing...

[tritsofme]

34. It doesn't anger me in the least.

I only hope to cancel them out. I think it is morally bankrupt to deny Palestinians good jobs at a place like a SodaStream factory.

[Violet_Crumble]

35. Well, when people start calling DUers they're responding to loonies, it looks like anger...

As well as kind of pathetic. If you were concerned at all about Palestinians in the West Bank, you'd be speaking out about the occupation and not making it a point to buy products from Israeli factories in the West Bank to show yr support.

btw, if yr wanting to go out and buy products because they're produced in the settlements, head to Ireland. They're one of the EU countries that have introduced either bans or clear labelling of goods from settlements in the West Bank. In the US everything's labelled Made In Israel, so Ireland's making it easier for you to do yr shopping!

http://euobserver.com/foreign/117547

I guess you think it was morally bankrupt for people to boycott South Africa and specifically Sun City? After all, some South Africans in the bantustans had good jobs there.

[tritsofme]

38. I know loonies are out there, it doesn't make me angry.

And I reject the false equivalency between Israel and Apartheid South Africa.

[Violet_Crumble]

42. But people like me aren't loonies and it's offensive for you to say I am...

Do you know why I refuse to buy any goods produced in the settlements in the West Bank? Because in doing so I'd be supporting the illegal settlements, and there's no way I'd do that. That's because I'm opposed to the occupation and Israeli settlements in the West Bank. The latter are a violation of international law and a massive impediment to any future Palestinian state. I don't understand how anyone who's left-wing would call other left-wingers who refuse to buy goods from the settlements a loony. Do you want to explain why you think we're loonies?

What false equivalency? Here's a quick trip down memory lane for you. A large-scale boycott of South Africa happened because the international community had enough of what was happening there. One of the parts of that boycott was of Sun City, a resort built in one of the bantustans and staffed by South Africans who were victims of apartheid. Did people arguing that being employed at Sun City meant boycotting was a bad thing? I'm sure they did, but I suspect they would have been right-wingers for the most part. So how are Palestinians different? Are they not oppressed? Are they not occupied?

And one last question. Do you oppose the occupation of the West Bank? It's just that down in the I/P group, not even the most partisan and one-eyed supporters of Israel think anyone's a loony for refusing to buy stuff made in the settlements.

[tritsofme]

44. I support a two state solution.

That guarantees security and defensible borders for the Jewish state.

The status of the disputed territories will not be resolved until there is a final peace agreement. Until Israel finds a true partner for peace, instead of rocket fire from the likes of Hamas, that day still seems far away.

And I'm sorry you're offended, but...meh.

[Violet_Crumble]

45. They're occupied, not disputed, and it's pretty ignorant to call me a loonie...

I'm not one. Maybe you could explain why you think someone who refuses to purchase goods from the settlements is a loony? You don't seem willing to do anything but hurl that insult round...

Israel has no right to the occupied territories. The disputed claim is a right-wing creation, much like the claim that Israel has no partner for peace. Where was Israel during the 80's when the PLO wanted to negotiate? What about all those times that Israel has flat out refused to negotiate with the Palestinians? And do you honestly think that RW extremists like Netanyahu and his gang are interested in negotiating a just peace? Their idea of a 'partner in peace' is a lackey who puts Israelis interests in maintaining the status quo above the well-being and self-determination of the Palestinian people. They have zero intention of removing the settlements and have openly opposed a Palestinian state.

Another thing. Any two state solution isn't just about Israel as you appear to believe. It's got to result in two states that provide safe borders and security for its respective citizens, not one where Israel dominates and controls chunks of the West Bank. And maybe, just maybe you might like to take a pause from absolving Israel of any blame and acknowledge that there's fault on the part of both the Israeli government and Hamas in this....

[sabrina 1]

39. That's going to be hard, there are literally millions of those loonies who will be

participating in these boycotts. I eg, was looking to buy a car, volvo will not be on that shopping list now.

[Eleanors38]

5. Jeez. VS copied the old Ford V8 symbol.

[onehandle]

6. I'll easily give up Google's Motorola. Be safe and give up Google/Android too.

Prying open my Mac to dig out the Intel... bzzzz... click... beeeeepppp.....

Sodastream?

Sorry, we love our instant sodas.

[Comrade Grumpy]

19. That is the important thing. That you love your sodas.

[treestar]

7. Pampers and McDonald's

That's a list of companies I don't use anyway.

[99Forever]

8. I'm 90% there already.

Considering my desktop that was bought 3 years ago, constitutes the other 10%, sounds doable to me.

Thanks.

[magical thyme]

9. already don't use any of them except intel and HP printer

doing all I can to milk the life out of my laptop so I don't have to replace it any time soon. If/when that day comes, I'll do what I can to get a not-Intel microprocessor. The HP printer was a gift. Another one that I'll use till it drops and then replace with something not HP.

I already get my store's brand of hummus, so easily avoid both Tribe and Sabra. Now I need to confirm the store's source, since the containers are suspiciously similar to both Tribe and Sabra.

Easy to avoid the rest, since I have no use for any of them.

[kentauros]

47. Hummus doesn't take much effort to make.

But you do need to keep either some sesame tahini on hand or the seeds. My VitaMix is supposed to be able to make the tahini part of hummus by just using the sesame seeds to the whole mix, but I've never tried that. Normally, I just blend everything in a food processor, and have homemade hummus in five minutes or less

[ProdigalJunkMail]

10. by the logic of this list

you should stop supporting any company that does any business with another company that has ties to Israel... hope you like being stuck in your house...

sP

[Exultant Democracy]

12. The term you are looking for is hyperbole, not logic ;)

[procon]

11. I hadn't thought about this.

With the exception of Soda Stream -- there must be a substitute? -- most of these products aren't on my to-do list. Just setting aside the convenience factor, I can certainly make a much better hummus.

By itself my single effort isn't much, but if I remember correctly, there was a worldwide boycott against another apartheid state that was very effective in influencing their disparate policies. Toward that goal, I'd support corporate divestment as well.

[sabrina 1]

40. HP and Volvo were on my list, I'm using my friends laptop, HP, right now and need a new

one. WAS thinking of buying an HP, but I can easily find another brand. Same thing with our car. It won't be a Volvo that's for sure.

Humus also can be substituted. The rest, I don't buy anyhow.

[oldandhappy]

14. Easy for me to not buy these, except

I do not know about Intel. Might be in my six year old MacBook. Should I ever buy a new computer, I will ask. Is Intel used in smart phones? Have been considering getting one.

[Wolf Frankula]

17. Except for the Intel processor on my computer

That I bought two years ago, I don't buy products from any of those companies.


Wolf

[IronGate]

18. Thanks for the list.

Now I know which companies to support.

[elias49]

25. Good for you. Rah rah.

Nothing like conspicuous arrogance.
"Let those Arabs die in peace" eh?

[Comrade Grumpy]

21. Boycotts, divestment, and sanctions helped bring down that other apartheid state.

Time to transform Palestine into a single, secular, democratic state. All of it.

[libodem]

24. No more McDonalds

For me!

[sabrina 1]

41. Lots of people I know do buy McDonalds, now I will ask them not to. We don't go there

except very, very occasionally, but we won't be going there now.

It's a terrible corporation anyhow and should be boycotted even without this latest reason. So that will be easy.

[Warpy]

28. Does that mean I need to go back to my wheezing AMD machine with Win XP on it?

I'm not in the market for a new machine until they stop putting Win8 on them.

The Palestinian counter to the boycott of Soda Stream (linked at the article) was very illuminating. Apparently it's one of the few companies that hire Palestinian Arabs and it treats them very well.

[Violet_Crumble]

32. The article's an attempt at scare tactics. Also, South Africa also employed people in bantustans...

I doubt there's anyone here who would have tried to argue that because those South African companies treated their staff well (Sun City's a good example), that South Africa shouldn't have been boycotted. Me, I'm opposed to academic boycotts of Israel, but refuse to buy any product that's made in Israeli factories in the West Bank. Not that much Israeli or settlement produce finds its way here, so it's really just a moral thing for me...

[kelliekat44]

43. Is it a reverse-boycott when one only buys products from one country? Just wondering

how you can tell. I think that is a boycott also.

[Retrograde]

48. Hummus isn't technically a product

it's an ancient food made from chickpeas, sesame paste, oil, etc.

I wish the Middle East conflict would end so we could get back to more important things, like arguing about which country or region makes the best hummus.