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steve2470

(37,457 posts)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 06:17 PM Apr 2012

'She should be playing with dolls, it's shocking': Colombian girl, 10, gives birth to baby daughter

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2125512/10-year-old-Colombian-girl-gives-birth-healthy-baby-daughter.html

A 10-year-old Colombian girl has sparked outrage after becoming one of the world's youngest ever mothers by giving birth to a healthy daughter.

The girl, a member of an indigenous tribe called the Wayuu who are based in the La Guajira Peninsula in the north of the country, was 39 weeks pregnant when she underwent a Caesarean section. Most pregnancies are 38 weeks.

It was the first time the pre-teen, from the town of Manaure, had visited a doctor in connection with her pregnancy.

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The world's youngest mother is Lina Medina, a Peruvian girl who gave birth just two weeks after her fifth birthday. The birth was major news when it happened in 1933 as it was unheard of that a girl would be able to give birth at such a young age.

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'She should be playing with dolls, it's shocking': Colombian girl, 10, gives birth to baby daughter (Original Post) steve2470 Apr 2012 OP
"It was unheard of that a girl would be able to give birth at such a young age" BOHICA12 Apr 2012 #1
+1 nt steve2470 Apr 2012 #2
This just makes me cry. And scream. GreenPartyVoter Apr 2012 #3
Post removed Post removed Apr 2012 #4
Yup, and forcing women to wear burqas, not letting them go outside the home, having multiple uppityperson Apr 2012 #5
Yes. It is. vaberella Apr 2012 #8
It's like female circumcision. It's just a natual thing. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #13
Did I ever say any of it is natural? vaberella Apr 2012 #18
So then you agree that evolving cultures are natural and therefore some cultures are more evolved Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #21
" You need to get over yourself and not inject your culture on others." Slavery is fine if it's uppityperson Apr 2012 #22
are you referring to Female Genital MUTILATION? niyad Apr 2012 #31
Why are you so culturally bigoted? Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #32
awww, aren't you cute this morning niyad Apr 2012 #34
I like to think I am cute every morning. I thought the sarcasm was dripping enough that it didn't Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #35
you are, and it didn't niyad Apr 2012 #38
Cannibalizing dead people is not the same as oppressing live people. Have you any limits or is "it's uppityperson Apr 2012 #14
My favorite story about cultural relativism: Johnny Rico Apr 2012 #40
Your cringing is OK, but if others have reactions, they need to get over themselves....... WillowTree Apr 2012 #6
I did say I cringe and move on. vaberella Apr 2012 #12
No. You don't need to respect all aspects of all cultures. cali Apr 2012 #26
You "need" to respect a culture you are horrified by? What? No. You don't. uppityperson Apr 2012 #28
I'll respect such a culture if an only if... Lizzie Poppet Apr 2012 #36
Who are we to judge the rape of a 10 year old? DLevine Apr 2012 #9
It will be interesting to see how old the father is. Some reports say 15, some say 30. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #15
You ARE spoofing extreme cultural relativism to show how ridiculous it is, aren't you? 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2012 #10
There is no extreme to cultural relativism. vaberella Apr 2012 #17
You allow everything as "cultural"? Good grief. uppityperson Apr 2012 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author uppityperson Apr 2012 #19
OK then. 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2012 #23
it isnt about our "own" personal morality. is rape of these girls or mutilation or slavery AGAINST seabeyond Apr 2012 #25
I certainly think there is. and many anthropologists certainly don't all agree with your statement. cali Apr 2012 #27
Then you have absoultely ZERO understanding of what Anthropology is. TheMadMonk Apr 2012 #30
I've met a 10 year old pregnant with her 2nd Nevernose Apr 2012 #7
wow ! nt steve2470 Apr 2012 #11
Hormones in milk. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #16
In 1933? 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2012 #24
just a very hormonal cow then? Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #37
I look forward to the day when boys aren't raised to think their desires come before everything else redqueen Apr 2012 #29
No kidding. nt BlueIris Apr 2012 #33
It could happen here, too, and does, I imagine. MineralMan Apr 2012 #39
 

BOHICA12

(471 posts)
1. "It was unheard of that a girl would be able to give birth at such a young age"
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 06:23 PM
Apr 2012

Whoa ...... I think the main point is being missed.

Response to GreenPartyVoter (Reply #3)

uppityperson

(115,680 posts)
5. Yup, and forcing women to wear burqas, not letting them go outside the home, having multiple
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 06:41 PM
Apr 2012

12 yr old "wives", etc. After all, it is all relative, right?

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
8. Yes. It is.
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 06:50 PM
Apr 2012

That is definitely a cultural thing that forced upon the women. Sadly, Islam has been given the black strike for it. But it is a cultural thing. You may hate it...but you may need to get over it. This is much like certain tribes that dig up the body of their dead and eat them after a period of time. Who are you to say it's disgusting. They might think the way our society objectifies women in so many ways is just as perverse as you think theirs is.

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
18. Did I ever say any of it is natural?
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 07:02 PM
Apr 2012

I did say it is cultural. Most cultural things are not natural. They are developed and supported by a society. Such as slavery was a cultural norm in the United States. It was not natural...and there was a push back to change such cultural.

 

Snake Alchemist

(3,318 posts)
21. So then you agree that evolving cultures are natural and therefore some cultures are more evolved
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 07:03 PM
Apr 2012

than others?

uppityperson

(115,680 posts)
22. " You need to get over yourself and not inject your culture on others." Slavery is fine if it's
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 07:04 PM
Apr 2012

cultural, right? Anyone trying to change it simply needs to get over themselves and not inject their attempt at culture on already existing culture, right?

niyad

(113,569 posts)
31. are you referring to Female Genital MUTILATION?
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 12:03 AM
Apr 2012

(What in the HELL is "natural" about this?&quot

Female genital mutilation




Female genital mutilation (FGM), also known as female genital cutting and female circumcision, is defined by the World Health Organization (WHO) as "all procedures that involve partial or total removal of the external female genitalia, or other injury to the female genital organs for non-medical reasons."[1]

FGM is typically carried out on girls from a few days old to puberty. It may take place in a hospital, but is usually performed, without anaesthesia, by a traditional circumciser using a knife, razor, or scissors. According to the WHO, it is practiced in 28 countries in western, eastern, and north-eastern Africa, in parts of the Middle East, and within some immigrant communities in Europe, North America, and Australasia.[2] The WHO estimates that 100–140 million women and girls around the world have experienced the procedure, including 92 million in Africa.[1]

The WHO has offered four classifications of FGM. The main three are Type I, removal of the clitoral hood, almost invariably accompanied by removal of the clitoris itself (clitoridectomy); Type II, removal of the clitoris and inner labia; and Type III (infibulation), removal of all or part of the inner and outer labia, and usually the clitoris, and the fusion of the wound, leaving a small hole for the passage of urine and menstrual blood—the fused wound is opened for intercourse and childbirth.[3] Around 85 percent of women who undergo FGM experience Types I and II, and 15 percent Type III, though Type III is the most common procedure in several countries, including Sudan, Somalia, and Djibouti.[4] Several miscellaneous acts are categorized as Type IV. These range from a symbolic pricking or piercing of the clitoris or labia, to cauterization of the clitoris, cutting into the vagina to widen it (gishiri cutting), and introducing corrosive substances to tighten it.[3]
. . . . .

The procedures known as FGM were referred to as female circumcision until the early 1980s, when the term "female genital mutilation" came into use.[7] The term was adopted at the third conference of the Inter-African Committee on Traditional Practices Affecting the Health of Women and Children in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, and in 1991 the WHO recommended its use to the United Nations.[2] It has since become the dominant term within the international community and in medical literature.[4] Alexia Lewnes argued in a 2005 report for UNICEF that the word "mutilation" differentiates the procedure from male circumcision and stresses its severity.[8]

. . . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation

 

Snake Alchemist

(3,318 posts)
35. I like to think I am cute every morning. I thought the sarcasm was dripping enough that it didn't
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 12:59 PM
Apr 2012

need a tag.

uppityperson

(115,680 posts)
14. Cannibalizing dead people is not the same as oppressing live people. Have you any limits or is "it's
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 06:56 PM
Apr 2012

cultural" fine for anything? Women didn't used to be able to vote because it was cultural. And now we are all so damn uppity that we do vote. Next thing you know people will march for the right to be able to marry across that cultural skin color line.

This sounds rather like the argument that hating bigots is bigoted.

There are cultural differences, but for me there are still basic rights to be worked towards, oppressions to not be accepted.

 

Johnny Rico

(1,438 posts)
40. My favorite story about cultural relativism:
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 02:05 PM
Apr 2012

After Sir Charles Napier (the British army's commander-in-chief in India in the mid-19th Century) outlawed the practice of suttee, many of the Indian locals complained, saying that suttee was one of their time- honored customs. Napier responded, "You say it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. However, where I come from, we also have a custom: When men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre. My carpenters will build a gallows beside it. If you wish, you may practice your custom. Rest assured we will practice ours."

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
12. I did say I cringe and move on.
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 06:52 PM
Apr 2012

But even the cringing is more like a ...."sigh" and then move on. I studied Anthropology read on cultures that might make this person throw up in her/his hand. It's a get over...in the sense that you need to respect the culture even if horror is on your face. Cause I'm sure they look at us in the same way if we described it.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
26. No. You don't need to respect all aspects of all cultures.
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 07:08 PM
Apr 2012

And how the hell do YOU know how they look at us? And who exactly is they? And isn't it possible that "they" don't all think alike?

Yes, I believe some things are wrong. Oppressing people is wrong and I don't give a shit what culture it takes place in, I'm not going to grant it respect.

uppityperson

(115,680 posts)
28. You "need" to respect a culture you are horrified by? What? No. You don't.
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 07:12 PM
Apr 2012

Aside from how the hell do you respect something that horrifies you, no, you don't "need" to respect everything as "cultural".

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
36. I'll respect such a culture if an only if...
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 12:59 PM
Apr 2012

I'll respect such a culture if an only if I elect to abandon all concern for ethical behavior. The fact that there is a degree of relativism in all such evaluations does not invalidate an assessment that a particular culturally-influenced practice is horrific and evil. And arguing (not without justification) that we've our own cultural shortcomings is nothing more than a rather blatant "tu quoque" fallacy...

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
17. There is no extreme to cultural relativism.
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 06:59 PM
Apr 2012

I studied anthropology and my future doctorate will be in anthropological studies. I try to limit my own personal morals or ideas or quirks when looking at other cultures. I don't see that as being extreme.

Response to vaberella (Reply #17)

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
25. it isnt about our "own" personal morality. is rape of these girls or mutilation or slavery AGAINST
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 07:07 PM
Apr 2012

their will. it is about human rights. regardless if in this country or some other. it is not about this cultural behavior. it is about a wrong committed on a person. that does not matter what country it is in. if it is against her want, it is wrong. and we all have a ethical obligation to stand up for HER right to not be raped.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
27. I certainly think there is. and many anthropologists certainly don't all agree with your statement.
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 07:10 PM
Apr 2012
 

TheMadMonk

(6,187 posts)
30. Then you have absoultely ZERO understanding of what Anthropology is.
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 09:39 PM
Apr 2012

Ideally it is the completely dispassionate and interference free study of human societies, warts and all.

Personal opinions and cultural morals have no place in anthropology.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
7. I've met a 10 year old pregnant with her 2nd
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 06:47 PM
Apr 2012

Right here in the United States. Grandmother was 22.

I'd been working for juvenile probation intake; the girl came in on a truancy. The girl had developed early and the mother's pimp sold her out. The first baby was already in foster care. The ten year old was supposed to be living with a relative, but was actually staying with the crackhead (grand)mother.

The grandmother left my office in handcuffs, the kid went to Girl's Town. I stopped working there soon afterwards. I don't know what ultimately happened, but I still wonder what happened.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
29. I look forward to the day when boys aren't raised to think their desires come before everything else
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 07:17 PM
Apr 2012

I doubt I'll live to see it, but someday... someday.

MineralMan

(146,331 posts)
39. It could happen here, too, and does, I imagine.
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 01:21 PM
Apr 2012

The age of puberty for girls is going down.

The real questions here are: Who the hell impregnated this girl? Is he in prison yet?

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