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Lawyers for Arizona death-row prisoner Joseph Wood said in court papers Wednesday that an hour after his execution began he was still alive and they asked the court to stop the proceeding. "He has been gasping and snorting for more than an hour," lawyers wrote in a petition to the Arizona federal court. Wood who was condemned to death for fatally shooting his girlfriend and her father in 1989 challenged the execution on the grounds that the state was violating the First Amendment by keeping the source of the lethal-injection drugs secret. An appeals panel agreed with him, but the U.S. Supreme Court lifted the stay of execution.
Wood, 55, was scheduled to be killed with a combination of midazolam and hydromorphone, the same drugs used in an Ohio execution in which the inmate seemed to struggle for air and took 25 minutes to die. His execution date had been put on hold several times as the case wound its way through last-minute appeals. One of those decisions was notable for a dissent in which the chief judge of a federal appeals court said the guillotine would be better than lethal injection for executions.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/lethal-injection/arizona-inmates-lawyers-say-hes-alive-hour-after-execution-began-n163086
We are more humane when we put dogs down.
Edited to add AP says he's now dead after 2 hours.
The Associated Press ?@AP 2m
BREAKING: Arizona attorney general says death row inmate is dead, nearly 2 hours after execution started.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)that they have pronounced him dead. Almost two hours. How the fuck could they stand around watching that, letting that happen??
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)I agree or not.My question is why can't they find a painless way to kill someone if they insist on killing them?
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)What they're doing now is the worst of both worlds. Two hours. Medieval torturers would be impressed.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)They first sedate them so they are unconscious, then the drug that stops their heart and depresses their breathing is administered.
I guess drug companies that do not support the death penalty are blocking the use of sedatives to make the process painless for condemned humans. And the vindictive people that keep the death penalty in effect would object to the condemned having a painless death.
The appeals court judge is right - the guillotine would be more humane than any of the methods we use in this country.
The death penalty is not an effective deterrent. It is expensive and is unpleasant and unhealthy for our society. But what do we expect for a country that will not ensure health care and nutrition for our citizens and that has a large number of people that want to turn away child refugees from our borders?
StevieM
(10,500 posts)the "best" way to kill some one, if they insist on doing it, is the firing squad.
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CaliforniaPeggy
(149,640 posts)We have lost our collective souls when we allow such barbarity.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)We will have a pool or lottery, and if you want the prisoner killed your name must be entered into the pool.
If your name is chosen you must pull the switch and stand next to the person while dying.
Good chance your name wont be chosen, but if it is, you have to do this.
Sadly, some teaparty types will consider this like winning the lottery...
marble falls
(57,106 posts)blueamy66
(6,795 posts)If someone tortured and murdered one of my loved ones....I don't know....I might do it....
What is the alternative? Life in prison?
I just don't know.....
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)that decision doesn't belong in the family of the victims, rather it belongs in the dispassionate hands of the criminal justice system.
blueamy66
(6,795 posts)Still tough to take though.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)in my first emotional reaction to any event. That's the problem with Teabaggers--they can't get past their lizard brain reactions.
randys1
(16,286 posts)Hippo_Tron
(25,453 posts)I'm 100% against the death penalty. And if someone murdered any member of my family, odds are I would want to beat that person to death with a crowbar. Which is why any sane rational justice system would consider my opinion in the matter irrelevant and leave decisions about punishment to people who are actually able to think rationally. Letting me beat the murderer to death with a crowbar is not in the best interests of society. Neither is any form of execution, period.
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)Hell, what better way to spend a morning? Jethro, they gives you coffee and cake before they drives you to where you shoot the summabitch. Then you get your target practice on a real live target... and get this, they gives you the ammo free. FREE, buddy.
randys1
(16,286 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)I've often thought your rule ought to be applied to meat eaters, though. Kill your own. It would reduce the consumption of meat, increase home-raised meat, and hopefully decrease the factory production of inhumanely raised meat.
And yes, I'm a meat eater, although I don't eat it much or daily, and have, although not always, killed my own.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)OMG, this country is so demented!
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)event with these drugs they use, why can't a preliminary anesthesia be used, or something like that. It's just another of my many WTF's each day. We've had to have a couple of our pets put down because of incurable diseases and age. It was a peaceful event. So often this process for humans sounds like pure torture. Damn, it seems we are so fucked up!
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,640 posts)The death penalty is seen as punishment.
Surgery is not punishment, but rather a way to fix something wrong.
That's probably the difference.
I hope that helps.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)Or that you have to sit in a concrete box, alone, knowing that you have a set lifespan based on the whim of others, until you are led off to die by some possibly incompetent thug that drew the short straw that day....
blueamy66
(6,795 posts)Your post makes me think....
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Even if you don't change your mind I would hope that you would not support this kind of execution.
It stains us as a society.
blueamy66
(6,795 posts)I've always thought of it as a punishment that fits the crime.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)alsame
(7,784 posts)they OD on heroin! Even a deliberate OD would be more humane than this.
I am 100% against the death penalty, but I have little hope that it will be abolished in my lifetime.
for 10 dollars they could just give them fentanyl laced heroin, like so many have OD'd on.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)In the Oklahoma botched murder they didn't have a competent person administering the IV. And once the execution starts and things aren't going well you don't stop it and send someone in there to adjust the IV, make sure everything is going well, etc. There's a viewing going on.
These things could be done very easily and effectively using proven euthanasia techniques. But that requires human interaction with the murder victim. If you do it without that interaction (that a vet would have with your pet), it's going to be messy.
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)The former triple drug cocktail put the patient to sleep, paralyzed him and then stopped his heart, in that order.
The new drug cocktails are supposed to mimic this but often fail because they were not developed under the guidance of experienced medical staff.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,322 posts)so finding someone qualified to anaesthetize someone without mistakes is not easy. It won't help that a prisoner about to be executed knows what's going on, and so may well not be calm.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)The new drug mix is a secret.
There's a big skirmish going on legally to discover whose providing these drugs and how they were "tested" (cough) to do the job.
Clearly they aren't working. Whose drugs are these??
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)It's cruel and unusual, for sure.
Unfortunately...
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Trillo
(9,154 posts)instead of quickly and with mercy.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)I have been reliably informed here recently that we should celebrate the wanton infliction of pain on those who deserve it (a shifty, moving target, the logic of which escapes the likes of me). If Mr. Wood was tortured to death over the span of 90 minutes or so, we should actually be cheering, and pinning medals on the chests of all involved. The opinions of those who feel differently don't really count, for any of a number of disqualifying reasons.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)I am also reliably informed that in this age of terror, terror everywhere we just can't afford to observe every last jot and tittle of some old document and its superannuated language. Too much danger or something. Also some obscure point about omelettes and eggs, but I keep getting snagged on another old idea that human beings aren't eggs.
It's all very confusing, but the folks who have been scolding me sound very sure of themselves.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)people OD on heroin all the time. What the hell is wrong with using a massive dose of that? Good grief there are any number of things that can kill a person, why let them linger for 2 hours?
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)load them up and send them on their way. I don't understand why this is such a difficult problem. Unless, of course, you want a heap of suffering all the way around.
devils chaplain
(602 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)We have devolved to this?
Yes, collectively we have returned to the days of the Roman Colosseum only with more and varied tools.
All planned or anger centered killing of humans is murder. Illegal animal poaching is also murder.
The death cults are alive and well practiced by the human species.
blueamy66
(6,795 posts)but this is so freaking inhumane...it's unbelievable....
What has happened to us?
markpkessinger
(8,401 posts). . . then you support the sacrifice of some unknown number of innocents in order to satiate a collective desire for vengeance.
Here's the problem with the argument of those who say they support the death penalty in cases where there is absolute certainty of guilt and the crime is particularly "deserving." First, there is no way to limit the application of the death penalty to such cases. Our legal system does not provide for varying degrees of certainty over a convict's guilt. One is either guilty "beyond a reasonable doubt" or one is not. If there is doubt sufficient to warrant a different penalty, then there is reasonable doubt as to that defendant's guilt in the first place, and his or her conviction should be set aside.
Second, the question of which crimes rise to a level of heinousness deserving of the death penalty is inherently a subjective one, and this fact, too, would result in the death penalty being unevently -- and hence unjustly. Sorry, but as an ethical matter, there really is no middle ground of "in some case" available. If you support it in any case, you support its attendant horrors in other cases.
herding cats
(19,565 posts)For those who aren't current on the preceding events of this execution.
(UPDATED July 23, 2014: This morning the Court denied another request by Wood to stay his execution. Wood had asked the Court to review a decision by the Ninth Circuit which affirmed the district courts denial of the motion that he had filed pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 60(b)(6); the Court also denied that petition for certiorari.)
Last week a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit granted a request by an Arizona death-row inmate, Joseph Wood, to postpone his execution (scheduled for tomorrow) until he receives information regarding the states plans to execute him by lethal injection. The court of appeals stayed the execution until Arizona provided Wood with the name and provenance of the drugs to be used and the qualifications of the medical personnel who would carry out the execution. Yesterday the en banc Ninth Circuit declined to step in, instead leaving the panels stay order in effect. That denial drew a sharp dissent from (among others) Chief Judge Alex Kozinski, who wrote that he had little doubt that the Supreme Court will thwart this latest attempt to interfere with the State of Arizonas efforts to carry out its lawful sentence and bring Wood to justice.
Kozinskis words proved prophetic, as this evening the Supreme Court granted the states request to vacate the temporary stay ordered by the Ninth Circuit. The Court also denied Woods request for a stay of execution, along with his petition for certiorari. Although the requests originally went to Justice Anthony Kennedy, the Justice responsible for (among other things) stay requests from the geographic area of the Ninth Circuit, which includes Arizona, Justice Kennedy as the Justices often do referred the requests to the whole Court, and there were no dissents or separate statements from any of the Justices regarding the Courts actions tonight. The basis for the Courts ruling was that the district court had not abused its discretion in denying a stay, so conceivably the result would have been different if Wood had won in both lower courts. But the dearth of dissents suggests not.
http://www.scotusblog.com/2014/07/court-lifts-stay-in-lethal-injection-challenge/
freshwest
(53,661 posts)If they are put too far under, they don't wake and that's it, and nearly happened to me once after an all day surgery. I don't remember a thing until I woke up.
Mind you, I'm not a doctor! Why are they not using drugs that act as anesthesia?
I'm not talking about the morality of the DP one way or the other. We are talking about a standardized procedure, alleged to be painless and used for years.
Now we have these reports coming out, and some saying to go back to hanging, firing squads or even using the guillotine.
What the hell is going on with this rampart 'medical' incompetence?
That's all I'm asking. This is even more grosteque than the 'standardizing' of executions were to begin with.
I have got German friends who find the death penalty a grave offense to civlization, after all, the Nazis 'standardized' the process of killing and did it with relative efficiency, although preventing suffering was not part of their equation.
This just shows how sick humanity is and if I believed in that sort of thing, I'd guess we are being told something...
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)to be labelled as the "death penalty drug provider".
The new drug mix is a secret. There's a big legal skirmish going on to get the company name revealed and how they "tested" this drug mix to ensure it was efficacious....
(since its clearly not)
Rex
(65,616 posts)I don't really talk much about what I think toward the death penalty. A person takes a like and loses their life, they forfeit the right to live anymore.
Why is it we don't make an airlock type system? We can get 13 people together to draw straws to see who opens the airlock door.
Nope, just no way to make it sound civilized.
OTOH - leave it to the SCOTUS to go with torture. No doubt Scalia was for it.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)jmowreader
(50,560 posts)If you breathe pure nitrogen for long enough you WILL die. And you'll never know what hit you - which is why nitrogen is considered the most dangerous of all industrial gases. It's painless, it's cheap to set up (a nitrogen cylinder, an oxygen cylinder, a mixing valve, some tubing, something to strap the prisoner to so he doesn't rip the mask off, and a mask - a firefighter's SCBA would be terrific but the little O2 masks they use on planes would be sufficient - to put on the prisoner's face), it's quick, there's no way for the prison staff to fuck this up, and there's no question about being able to get the necessary chemicals because nitrogen is sold at any welding store and they don't ask what you want it for.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)and a violation of this guy's constitutional rights.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)I wonder about the politics of the whole thing. I agree two hours is too long. But, I am starting to question the political motives of the attorneys for the inmate and if they exaggerated the suffering.
kcr
(15,317 posts)But that's not exactly an unbiased source.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)I cannot blame the victims' families either. It is sad. Nothing will bring them back, or stop them from the pain of knowing that their loved ones suffered.
Try as I might, I have no sympathy for the murder. I understand everyone's outrage. And, I know somewhere in the back of my mind that I should be outraged. But, my heart just keeps thinking of the victims. It is not about vengeance. It is not about political beliefs. I feel deeply for the pain and suffering that the victims and their families endured at his hands.
kcr
(15,317 posts)That completely misses the point. And i'd take the lawyer over the family because he isn't emotionally invested to the extent they are.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)Attorneys get emotionally invested in their cases and have political agendas that may taint the way they present an issue.
And, I am not missing any points.
kcr
(15,317 posts)But it isn't the same as actually losing a loved one. Not even close. Sorry.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)I wonder if prisoners have the right to request a firing squad. Much quicker, cleaner, more humane.
Takket
(21,578 posts)So says the department of corrections:
"Arizona Corrections Department says executed man was "snoring" and "did not grimace" or otherwise move during execution. "
Hmmm... yeah... we'll see.
Takket
(21,578 posts)if we are going to execute people, why don't we just give them a MASSIVE dose of anesthesia, which can put any to sleep, then just guillotine them. I mean, this might sound appalling to people, but isn't it a heck of a lot more effective then the drug cocktails they use now? guy is sound asleep, head cut off (which we know isn't going to leave you convulsing for 2 hours!).... and he's dead.
Trillo
(9,154 posts)while it's not supposed to be torture via the constitution. The electric chair was also said to take a long time to kill completely.
In 1946, the electric chair failed to kill Willie Francis, who reportedly shrieked "take it off! Let me breathe!" after the current was applied. It turned out that the portable electric chair had been improperly set up by an intoxicated trustee. A case was brought before the U.S. Supreme Court (Francis v. Resweber),[22] with lawyers for the condemned arguing that although Francis did not die, he had, in fact, been executed. The argument was rejected on the basis that re-execution did not violate the double jeopardy clause of the 5th Amendment of the US Constitution, and Francis was returned to the electric chair and successfully executed in 1947.
Recorded incidents of botched electrocutions were prevalent after the national moratorium ended January 17, 1977; two in Alabama, three in Florida, one in Georgia, one in Indiana and three in Virginia. All five states now have lethal injection as the default method if a choice is not made.
So too with the gas chamber:
At the September 2, 1983, execution of Jimmy Lee Gray in Mississippi, officials cleared the viewing room after eight minutes while Gray was still alive and gasping for air. The decision to clear the room while he was still alive was criticized by his attorney. David Bruck, an attorney specializing in death penalty cases, said, "Jimmy Lee Gray died banging his head against a steel pole in the gas chamber while reporters counted his moans."[7]
During the April 6, 1992, execution of Donald Harding in Arizona, it took 11 minutes for death to occur. The prison warden stated that he would quit if required to conduct another gas chamber execution.[8] Following Harding's execution, Arizona voted that all persons condemned after November 1992 would be executed by lethal injection.[6]
Following the execution of Robert Alton Harris, a federal court declared that "execution by lethal gas under the California protocol is unconstitutionally cruel and unusual."[9] By the late 20th century, most states had switched to methods considered to be more humane, such as lethal injection. California's gas chamber at San Quentin State Prison was converted to an execution chamber for lethal injection.
It would be simpler if we could decide not to kill people, but then we end up with stories like this sadist warden.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)I read something like this and I'm horrified that we're so fucking medieval.
Then I read about the asshole who researched ways to bake his kid alive in a sealed car and I'd be willing to leave him tied up in a glass box in Death Valley in July.
I'm not unalterably opposed to the death penalty, I am concerned that it seems to be somewhat overwhelmingly applied to the poor and minorities, and that we occasionally execute an innocent person. Maybe a lot of us would feel better if they fried a rich guy once in a while.
REP
(21,691 posts)Versed is a short-acting benzo that induces temporary amnesia but doesn't alleviate pain; it just makes you forget it. It's also used to help induce general anesthesia ... if you're one of the lucky ones who's susceptible to it (I personally have a rare reaction to it called the Paradoxical Reaction; it wakes me up and keeps me up. In others this reaction can be one of violence, agitation and/or anxiety.).
Dilaudid (hydromorphone) is an analgesic; overdose can cause respiratory failure.