Just Heard From A Friend Of Mine That Voted For Obama & Is Now Disillusioned......

[global1]

he said he'd vote for Chris Christie in 2016 - because he is a decisive leader and Obama isn't.

I think he drank the Koolaid.

He said he might consider Hillary - but she screwed up in Benghazi.

I really don't know how to respond to people that think like this. I probably won't acknowledge his e-mail and just ignore his comments lest I get more upset.

[CJCRANE]

1. I can understand the disillusionment to a certain extent

but I can never understand why anyone would think Chris Christie or any Repub would be better.

They are obviously a major part of the problem.

[lpbk2713]

2. No pony yet?

[mwrguy]

3. Get a better friend

This one is defective.

[RKP5637]

27. +1, n/t

[HERVEPA]

4. It's very clear that your friend lacks the ability to think analytically.

i.e. He's dumb

[woo me with science]

6. Your friend sounds extremely frustrated.

People often start lurching back and forth between bad options when they realize that neither of the options available is truly working for their interests.

The record shows aggressive, proactive pursuit of a corporate agenda.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3202395

CUT THE CRAP! Your Month in Review from the most "progressive" administration ever.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025006297

Study: Obama's "Trade" Deal (TPP) Would Mean a Pay Cut for 90% of U.S. Workers
http://citizen.typepad.com/eyesontrade/2013/09/the-verdict-is-in-the-trans-pacific-partnership-tpp-a-sweeping-free-trade-deal-under-negotiation-with-11-pacific-rim-coun.html

Obama’s Latest Betrayal of America and Americans in Favor of the Big Banks: TISA
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/06/26/1309671/--Obama-s-Latest-Betrayal-of-America-and-Americans-in-Favor-of-the-Big-Banks-TISA-by-Bill-Black

When the DLC connections to the Koch Bros. became well known, they just rebranded the infiltration
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4165556

When you hear "Third Way", think INVESTMENT BANKERS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024127432

GOP Donors and K Street Fuel Third Way’s Advice for the Democratic Party
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101680116

The Rightwing Koch Brothers fund the DLC
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x498414

Same companies behind the GOP are behind the DLC
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1481121

[HERVEPA]

7. Stongly disageee. Picking someone because (s)he is decisive,

regardless of the positions the person takes, is just plain dumb. One can be frustrated by some of Obama's choices and not express a desire to make a ridiculous choice.

[woo me with science]

11. Well, complicity is often misrepresented and misunderstood as indecision.

That has absolutely nothing to do with the likely role of legitimate frustration here.

[HERVEPA]

19. Say what?

[woo me with science]

20. I think that was very clear.

Read my post for context, if it helps.

People have lots of reasons to be disgusted and frustrated. Corporate money drives major policy in the Democratic Party, too.

[HERVEPA]

21. Many reasons perhaps to be disgusted and/or frustrated.

No reason to vote for any rethug candidate over an Dem.
And certainly not because someone was decisive. Hitler was decisive, Stalin was decisive.
Sorry, but it's just dumb.

What things are you friend disgusted about concerning Obama. Unless a right-winger, no chance Christie would be better on any of them.

[woo me with science]

22. Yeah, yeah, we know. Lesser of two evils. Blah, blah, blah.

We know that excuse by heart, even as Obama's TPP and TISA are on the horizon, our internet is being handed to corporations, drilling and fracking are being escalated, our schools are under assault, our media and online are overrun with manipulation and propaganda, and our own "Justice" Department is being used to defend mass spying and assaults on dissent and real journalism.

I would say that tired, defensive, apologistic response....the immediate leap to, 'Well, the other guys would be worse!' is a big source of the very frustration we are talking about.

[HERVEPA]

32. OK. Then fucjk the LGBT folks, minorities, poor, and any other disadavantaged, and the planet.

who would be much worse under Rethugs so one can have a temper tantrum for your ideological purity.
What bullshit.
Yes, a lot of things about Dems sucks.
Yes, they are 100 times better than the thugs.

[woo me with science]

37. There's that purity word again. Quite a word to use

in the context of THIS horrific list:

Obama's TPP and TISA are on the horizon, our internet is being handed to corporations, drilling and fracking are being escalated, our schools are under assault, our media and online are overrun with manipulation and propaganda, and our own "Justice" Department is being used to defend mass spying and assaults on dissent and real journalism.

I just can't wait to see the status of women and minorities in this country when we are all working for Third World wages, these trade agreements have ramped up corporate power and the ability of corporations to override our laws, and dissent in the new corporate America has been crushed.

The very best response in this thread is from Captain Obvious.

[HERVEPA]

39. I give up. If you want my kids and grandkids to live in an even more fucked-up world

than it will already be, I can't stop you.

[Capt. Obvious]

44. Frustrated must be a new way of calling him brain dead

The OP needs to tell his friend, "Hey loser, use your fucking brain for once."

If he doesn't switch his vote back to D then trying being aggressive with him.

[Aristus]

8. Yeah, making bad decisions quickly is a sign of being decisive.

It's also a sign of being an idiot.

President Obama takes his time over the decisions that require time and consideration. I'll take that any day over a 'leader' who immediately jumps on the decision most likely to have the worst possible outcome...

[kelliekat44]

15. +++1,000. Really looking hard to find a bus.....nt

[uponit7771]

36. AMEN AND AMEN!!!

[NCTraveler]

9. I'm sure your friend has reasons they are disillusioned.

Their thoughts on voting and Benghazi do not make them an idiot as some would suggest. Sounds like they are getting their news from a single source like du but from the other side. When one does that it leaves them with a very myopic worldview and often wrong. Try suggesting a different news source or two.

[Louisiana1976]

35. True. Your friend is probably hooked on Faux Noise.

[Capt. Obvious]

45. It's not just from Faux

Granted most of it starts there but people on the street (like say, this guy at work I hate) who spout these things never watch Faux or any of the news channels.

[dilby]

10. Remind your friend Obama can't run in 2016 and to wait to see who

the Democratic Candidate will be before they make a hasty and dumb decision.

[woo me with science]

12. Not wait. Work to expose the Third Way and replace them with real liberals in our party,

and make sure we don't anoint another corporatist in a Democrat suit.

[Louisiana1976]

31. Good idea.

[GeorgeGist]

13. He must miss The Decider.

[lunasun]

16. +1

[RKP5637]

28. Let's see, Putin is supposed to be a decider too. Wonder if he would like Putin, a

hardliner ready to crush descent, questioning or thinking.

[Louisiana1976]

34. +1 million

[LordGlenconner]

14. He sounds like an uninformed moron

[HERVEPA]

18. Yup

[NightWatcher]

17. Yes, lets vote for the repuke who will crash the ship of state quickly

Lets be 100% wrong, hard, and fast.

Obama righted the recession over 6 years, lets pick a repuke who will blow the whole fucking thing up in five minutes.

Obama has worked for 6 years to end conflicts in the Middle East, lets pick a puke who will start one big fucking war on Day One.

I truly hope your friend is not stupid.

[cry baby]

23. Hillary screwed up in Benghazi? This person watches faux news...

Definitely brainwashed.

[Liberal_in_LA]

24. Remind him that the economy is improving.

[Capt. Obvious]

25. Just call him stupid

that should bring him around.

[woo me with science]

38. LOL.

Awfully ostentatious, all this insulting and pissing people off. I find it fascinating.

[HERVEPA]

40. You know, we're talking about the real world and real people who will suffer

And yes, ideological purity would be responsible. So nice for you you can stay in your little fucking dream world. If people are offended and pissed off by the real world, that's a damn shame.

[woo me with science]

41. And I think it's absolutely Orwelllian that you would attempt to lecture me in this vein,

given the content of our conversation above.

[Zambero]

26. Did he actually vote for Obama?

Some of these people make that claim then say they'll vote GOP from now on, in order to demoralize their opposition. The intended response: "Gosh, we progressives are losing support with voters, best just give up!" I would be a bit skeptical, with all the usual RW talking points being trotted out.

[0rganism]

29. 2016 is 2 years away. it's 2014 that matters now

Let him flip flop around until after the primaries. then see what he thinks.

[tridim]

30. Sounds like she's lying about voting for Obama.

[JoePhilly]

33. Voted for Bush twice, felt bad, maybe voted for Obama reluctantly ... returning to the nest.

[KurtNYC]

42. What, specifically, is it that Chris Bridge-blocker Christie would allegedly do that Obama didn't?

[Tarheel_Dem]

43. This was NEVER an Obama voter. You got played.

[JI7]

48. yup, the Benghazi thing was an easy give away for that

[Tarheel_Dem]

49. Exactly. Dems never questioned the rational account of what happened there. So, global1 got played

by his/her "friend".

[a kennedy]

46. He's a LIER.........

And yup, don't bother with him.

[McCamy Taylor]

47. You had me going until Benghazi

If you had said he can't vote for Hillary because of her pantsuits, I might have believed it.