Masha Alekhina of Pussy Riot "Russian media is covering up Putin's complicity"

[sufrommich]

On Thursday in eastern Ukraine – where Russian-supported separatists have declared an autonomous state – a plane with civilians on board was shot down.

The plane did not crash and it did not "collapse" – as was written by some of the Russian media – it was shot down from the ground. We in Russia know this – if not from our own news organizations, then from several video commentaries, including one in which a little boy says, "Look! A junta plane has been shot down! Well done, DPR!" (The DPR is the Russian-backed Donetsk People's Republic, and the "junta" is the legally elected government of Ukraine – the typical way for Russian propaganda to refer to the present government in Kiev.) This child does not know – and may never find out – that the downed aircraft had children like him on board.

In their reporting on the tragedy, the Russian media defined the accident scene as "east of Ukraine", forgetting the terms such as "New Russia", "DPR", "LPR" – the Lugansk People's Republic, another separatist territory in Ukraine – for the evening. In the new Russia, such errors could not have happened, so they simply won't have happened. Our government, and its collaborators in the media, will see to that.

There is too much evidence that the Malaysia Airlines flight was shot down by the pro-Russian DPR army. Not on purpose: it was a stupid, horrible accident, a mistake too easily made when people get confused (or are deliberately confused by their leaders), when inchoate rage and patriotism are aimed at a target as big as the sky. But rather than admit their mistakes, our leaders ask us to accept a lie. After all, as Duma representative Sergei Kalashnikov wrote, "Will it be any easier for you if you find out who shot the plane down?".

It won't be easy – but it is nonetheless necessary to find out who shot the plane down, though endless layers of propaganda will have to be shoved aside. And having to do so will make the discovery of the truth about this tragedy even more painful, once you understand all the forces that don't want you to know the truth.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/19/russian-media-cover-up-putin-mh17-tragedy?commentpage=1

[Rex]

1. Write good things about leader or job goes bye bye.

In America, if you write something horrible about Obama...you get a spot on NBC/ABC/CBS/Foxnews. In Russia, if you write something horrible about Putin, you get a spot on the train to a gulag.

It is important for people to understand the difference.

[betterdemsonly]

2. At least she admits it was probably a mistake by whomever did it

but that would get her labeled as a Putin apologists around hear.

[sufrommich]

3. I think everybody agrees they did not know they were

shooting down a passenger plane.

[betterdemsonly]

4. When I suggested such a thing I got accused of spreading Sewage

and likened to Sarah Palin.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5258360

[sufrommich]

5. Your suggestion in that post doesn't seem to

have anything to do with whether or not it was a passenger plane.

[joshcryer]

7. I don't think anyone argues they meant to shoot a passenger plane down.

Even the most ardent anti Putin posters don't think that.

[Igel]

8. A lot of the press there, though,

makes this argument. Not that the rebels knew they were shooting down a passenger plane.

But those who claim the Ukr government shot down the plane often make exactly that claim.

It was planned. It was a provocation, with dead bodies on board even. They knew it was a passenger plane.

Tsarev today even said that it was on purpose to internationalize the situation there and make the presence blue-helmets not only acceptable but required.


When people say that the Vekhovna Rada, their legislature, isn't entirely complete because Yanukovich supporters were kicked out--sort of a way of saying this was a coup--Tsarev is one of the people whose presence they're lamenting.

[joshcryer]

11. Yeah, that's the sick thing.

It's unthinkable they meant to do it (we agree on that count) but it's fully believable the "junta" would do it on purpose as a false flag (this is asinine).

The big rumor floating around now to be more convincing is that the "junta" intentionally flew an An-26 near the plane to confuse the rebels.

Yesterday it was a Spanish air traffic controller claiming jets shot it down. Anything to deflect from the most logical and easiest explanation.

[mainer]

9. NO ONE is saying it was specifically targeted at a civilian plane

Everyone, from Washington to MSM, agrees it was probably a huge mistake.

The true Putin apologists on DU are claiming it's all Malaysia Air's fault, or it's a conspiracy by the MSM and that the Russian-backed rebels are as innocent and pure as the driven snow.

The fact is, those rebels recklessly shot off a missile and 298 people -- 80 of them children -- are dead. It's still homicide.

[roamer65]

6. Mr. Putin is going to find the going much tougher as this continues.

The world is starting to ask why these BUK systems were deployed in eastern Ukraine in the first place. It's just going to get deeper and stickier for him.

[SidDithers]

10. DURec...

And RT's biggest cheerleaders here have gone mostly silent.



Sid