London Times Runs Damning Editorial Cartoon on Putin

[Cali_Democrat]

http://www.mediaite.com/print/london-times-runs-damning-editorial-cartoon-on-putin/

[hrmjustin]

1. Bad taste but certainly true.

[Fred Sanders]

2. That he is a monster that mounts humans on the wall with animals he has personally or maybe not

personally has killed?

All righty then.

Bush would make for a better caricature cartoon figure in this image.

[hrmjustin]

4. He is a monster.

[Fred Sanders]

5. OK, just checking.

[cali]

66. huh? why would bush be a better figure in this cartoon?

[Billy Budd]

71. just 'cause

Gallup poll, 2013:

Question asked: “Which country do you think is the greatest threat to peace in the world today?”

Replies:
•United States 24%
•Pakistan 8%
•China 6%
•Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea, each 5%
•India, Iraq, Japan, each 4%
•Syria 3%
•Russia 2%
•Australia, Germany, Palestinian territories, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, South Korea, UK, each 1%

[calimary]

92. Welcome to DU, Billy Budd!

Glad you're here! It's rather eye-opening, isn't it? Well, there's yer "American Exceptionalism" hard at work, I guess.

[PearliePoo2]

3. Oh my...That was a shock!

Holy shit...genuine coffee-spewing material right there!

[The Magistrate]

6. Not Bad, Sir

[SidDithers]

7. The RT crowd ain't gonna like that one...nt

Sid

[Behind the Aegis]

69. You must be psychic, neo-con lover!

What are the numbers for this week's Lotto?



They are nothing, if not predictable.

[betterdemsonly]

8. London Times is owned by Murdoch, so War demagoguery is not suprising n/t

[Nye Bevan]

14. I don't think "war demagoguery" means what you think it means (nt)

[geek tragedy]

17. awww, your feelings hurt because someone was unkind to Vladimir? nt

[betterdemsonly]

24. Your side loves Isis!

I view Saudi Arabia as more of a threat than Iran, Assad or Putin. I think Putin unwillingness to fund them in Syria is the reason the your neocon friends provoked the coup and the civil war there.

Your neocon buds have always deflected the real fight against Wahabism toward their own pet causes. They did it with Al Qaeda. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 but that was on the pnac agenda, so we had to fight that war.

[geek tragedy]

25. Um, no, nice try though. Funny that you have a 100% record of defending Putin here though. nt

[betterdemsonly]

28. I remember you well as a defender of the Iraq mess

on dkos, which would tend to identify you as neocon friendly.

[geek tragedy]

31. That is 100# false--typical of you. nt

[betterdemsonly]

35. Here is where you criticize Cheny and Rumsfeld for not being hard assed enough on Saddam

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3551058

Then if you click the rest of the thread you label people as as pro-Assad and probably fascist because they don't want to fund Isis.

Fess up!

[geek tragedy]

40. Yet another falsehood.

Yes, I think it was immoral and awful for the US to supply Saddam with chemical weapons and other forms of support in the 1980's.

You apparently disagree.

And you of course did not tell the truth about what that thread was about.

Which is what I expect from apologists for the fascist regime in Moscow.

[Billy Budd]

70. mmmmmmmm

since the end of World War II, the United States has:

* Attempted to overthrow more than 50 foreign governments, most of which were democratically-elected.
* Dropped bombs on the people of more than 30 countries.
* Attempted to assassinate more than 50 foreign leaders.
* Attempted to suppress a populist or nationalist movement in 20 countries.
* Grossly interfered in democratic elections in at least 30 countries, according to Chapter 18 of his book Rogue State: A Guide to the World’s Only Superpower.

[geek tragedy]

72. Which in no way contradicts anything I wrote. nt

[JI7]

42. so you don't think it was wrong for the US to give weapons to Saddam in the 80s ?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

47. True. WHO benefits? Washington does. Putin does not

Has anyone seen Putin make a move that didn't benefit Russia?

Putin is an excellent chess player, no way he'd be stupid enough to launch a missile to knock down a plane.

[Spazito]

61. Putin's chess playing needs help...

He was stupid enough to supply his proxies the missile system used to shoot down the civilian aircraft. That's bad chess playing, that even bad checkers playing.

[TM99]

63. They are called pawns.

Both sides use them.

For extra credit, please list the number of 'proxies' the United States has supplied missile systems and other armaments which caused tragic consequences for innocents not involved in the 'cold war'?

[Spazito]

64. The US using proxies excuses Putin from using proxies exactly how?

Your red herring attempt at distraction is glaringly apparent.

[TM99]

74. Did I say it was an excuse?

I said it happens like this in large scale geo-political conflicts. We are no more 'directly' responsible for the acts our proxies tragically make than Russian is. The sad thing is that both of our countries continue to do this, and the rank and file respond as you did just now.

This a war zone. Stupid tragic shit happens in war zones. Both Russia and the US have pieces in play in this damned game of chess.

What irritates and saddens me further is how many on DU on falling for this propaganda and war-mongering. I saw this same level of vitriol towards Saddam from the damned Republicans in 2003. It is one of the main reasons I even found DU. Now I am seeing the same shit here. Putin is this. Putin is that. Obama can kick his ass. Blah blah blah blah blah.

Your inability to think critical is glaringly apparent.

[Spazito]

75. I agree it is disturbing "how many on DU fall for this propaganda"...

I don't however see any "war-mongering" here. To see Putin's propaganda media, RT, being put forth as a credible source is, indeed, irritating to say the least.

This "tragic shit" lies solely on Putin's shoulders, to try and minimize that by bringing in the US on the shooting down of the civilian aircraft is beyond ludicrous.

My critical thinking is working well, unencumbered by Russian propaganda, and, instead, is based on facts.

[TM99]

76. You aren't paying attention then because

there is plenty of fresh war-mongering occurring here including this cartoon from Murdoch's newspaper. You remember him, right? Does the run up to the Iraq War ring any bells?

Russian Times is little different than Fox or CNN. Adults can sift through the bullshit to find the facts and the truth.

This lies no more on Putin's shoulders than one of countless 'tragic' mistakes in a war zone lies on any of our Presidents. Perhaps you remember a certain Iranian airliner tragically and accidentally shot down some years back? No? Then perhaps something about a wedding party droned to oblivion? Is Obama directly responsible there as well?

It doesn't appear to be true that you are using critical thinking skills because you have taken a side and unilaterally positioned yourself against Putin and Russian when the actual geo-political situation in the Ukraine has both the US and Russian equally involved through their proxies. Policies in both countries are at odds here, and more and more civilian deaths are going to occur.

[Spazito]

77. LOL, let me explain the cartoon to you...

It plays on Putin's 'he-man hunter' propaganda pushed upon the Russian populace, the shot-down civilian aircraft is a 'trophy' that also belongs on his 'trophy' wall. The cartoon is not indicating a wish to go to war, I am surprised your post indicates you don't 'get' the toon at all.

I suggest you watch this breakdown by Rachel Maddow on what is known, what is factual about the shooting down of the civilian aircraft and to whom the responsibility most belongs.

Critical thinking is done by gathering facts and then deducing the most likely scenario based on those facts.

Link to Rachel Maddow's show, it may help you understand the facts over the propaganda being pushed by RT and other media outlets:

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show

Edited to add: Here is another link to multiple cartoons related to our subject of discussion. I look forward to your explanation as to how they are "war-mongering", I am sure it will be enlightening.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025265746

[TM99]

79. No thanks.

I will won't waste time with you further.

I saw the Maddow piece. I am quite familiar with the situation as it actually is. I see the cartoon quite clearly within the larger context. You have picked your team.

[Spazito]

80. LOL

Facts can be very inconvenient, can't they!

[TM99]

81. Not in the least.

Facts simply tend to accrue over time, which has not happened here.

Facts also can be spun by politics and reporting, which has already happened in both Russia, Europe, and the US.

And new facts are coming in all the time such as this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10975524/Crashed-MH17-flight-was-300-miles-off-typical-course.html

You are a great example of many here on DU who have picked a team, determined the 'truth' of the incident, and will deny any facts that may appear later which throw your conclusions in to question. I am just not that arrogant.

[Spazito]

82. Relying on facts known vs propaganda does not indicate a "team" mentality...

What new facts do you think the linked article has uncovered? It's flight path has been reported already. How does this article throw my conclusions into question? Quite a reach and a non-sequitur to boot, impressive, lol.

[TM99]

83. You have drawn and definite conclusion.

I have not.

Hardly a non-sequitur. It is but one new piece of information. There will be more. This happened only days ago.

Anyone who questions the narrative and suggests that it may not be as cut and dry as it seems is met with derision and 'team sport' mentality.

[Spazito]

84. It is not a new piece of information except possibly to you...

Derision occurs in this instance because all indications point to the Russian separatists having shot down the aircraft yet a small faction continue to ignore those indications in favor of propaganda put forth by the Russian media.

Your repetition of "team sport mentality" to try and marginalize those who use factual information to rebut empty rhetoric is trite and tiring.

[TM99]

103. There is new information every day as the investigation

continues.

I don't remember stating that the separatists were not involved? In all of your bluster, perhaps you could point that out to me?

Your last line is pure and perfect projection.

[Jack Rabbit]

78. Putin is an excellent chess player . . .

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[conservaphobe]

9. Ouch.

[WinkyDink]

51. What is funny?

[n2doc]

10. Here's one in the weekend Washington Post

Lots of damning political cartoons on this

[randome]

73. Putin is, indeed, a childish, humorless toy.

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[oldandhappy]

11. WOW Kudos to the London Times

[BumRushDaShow]

12. That oughta leave a mark

on the Putinistas.

[CJCRANE]

13. Murdoch.

Neocon mouthpiece.

I didn't accept neocon propaganda in the Bush era and I won't now.

At least during the Bush era I had hope that the Dems would one day send the neocons packing.

Now I feel like their takeover is complete.

[geek tragedy]

18. Only thing worse than Neocons are fascists, like the ones who support Putin. nt

[CJCRANE]

19. There are plenty of fascists and worse in this world that we're happy to do business with.

And that's what this is all about, business.

[geek tragedy]

20. What, putin's decision to invade his neighbor and arm

the Cliven Bundy crowd with high powered surface to air missiles?

What was the business interest behind that?

Say, have you ever criticized Putin or took Obama's side against him?

Why, no you haven't. 100% record of supporting Putin vs Obama.

[CJCRANE]

22. He was trying to play the neocons at their own game, and lost.

[geek tragedy]

23. Nice apologism. he's a fucking fascist and a bully.

he invaded his neighbor after trying to intimidate it.

Your slip is showing.

[CJCRANE]

26. I don't apologize for neocon policies.

I didn't in the Bush era and I'm not going to start now.

FWIW Putin is an idiot, but he was never going to win once the neocons decided they wanted Ukraine.

[geek tragedy]

27. You know we recognize Russian propaganda like "Russia knew

they couldn't win once the Neocons decided they wanted Ukraine" right?

Lame, lame, lame.

Putin invaded, Putin bullied, Putin bribed.

He's a Neocon on steroids. Or, to put it a different way, a fascist.

[CJCRANE]

29. It's my opinion. It has nothing to do with Russian propaganda.

I wouldn't tell you that "we" can see your neocon propaganda.

[geek tragedy]

30. It was the fascists not the Neocons

who bullied and invaded Ukraine. That is a fact, not opinion .

[betterdemsonly]

32. Nobody has invaded the Ukraine

The russian side is mounting a secession campaign, but that just shows how pedantic, hyperbolic and over the top your shtick is!

[geek tragedy]

33. Russian troops are operating inside

Ukrainian territories and are the leadership of the local fascist militias. Putin indisputably invaded Crimea.

Take your pro- fascist falsehoods elsewhere.

[betterdemsonly]

34. He can't invade something he already had

His main naval base is there. It is like saying we just invaded Cuba because of Guantanmo, when the deal was done in the 1800s.

[Igel]

37. This again.

So if the US puts troops on the ground in Havana, there's nothing to complain about.

After all, we're already there, so nobody will blink an eye?

That's stretching things so far that when they snap, whoever's holding the other end will be rather like a small fly under a very defty swung fly-swatter.

[geek tragedy]

39. If us troops marched to Havana

that would be an invasion

[JI7]

43. this is odd, it's like saying the United States has a right to do what they want in Japan, GErmany,

South Korea and to take control of it because they have military bases there.

[cali]

67. uh, if we put armed forces in other parts of Cuba, we would be invading

[Hekate]

46. WHAT?! That wins the bizarro prize. Or rather, the other bizarro prize for this thread. nt

[CJCRANE]

58. We support rebels in other countries. Putin thought he'd do the same

and went too far.

The MSM has forgotten about the rebels we support and what they're doing in Syria/Iraq. Maybe it's time to send them another $500 million.

[malaise]

36. +1,000

I never thought I'd see this day - cheering on Murdoch and the neo-cons on DU.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

48. exactly! msm hopes we will forget Putin helped stop the US from Bombing Syria

by doing what US didn't do, negotiate to get Syria to give up its chemical weapons.

[geek tragedy]

57. Another pro-Putin post full of nonsense.

The deal on Syria was negotiated between the US and Russia, so it's obviously false to say the US was refusing to negotiate.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

86. #1 US wanted to bomb Syria but: Britain will NOT join military strike against Syria

#1 Aug 30, 2013

Britain will NOT bomb Syria after David Cameron suffers historic Parliamentary defeat
With his authority in tatters, the PM immediately climbed down and said Britain would not be going to war alongside America

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britain-not-join-military-strike-2237460#ixzz382fq7Odz

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

87. #2 Putin warns Obama not to attack Syria without UN approval

Sep. 4, 2013

Putin warns Obama not to attack Syria without UN approval
Comparing evidence of Syrian chemical weapons use to intel on Iraq in 2003, in an interview with AP the Russian president threatens to supply advanced air-defense systems to Assad and elsewhere if America strikes.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.545323

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

88. #3 Syria timeline: how Kerry's gaffe became a plan

September 10, 2013

Syria timeline: how Kerry's gaffe became a plan

Russian President Vladimir Putin offers to help negotiate a solution to the Syrian crisis at the G20 meeting in St. Petersburg.
Monday morning [US east coast]
Mr Kerry, when asked in London what Dr Assad could do to avert military action, says: "Turn it over, all of it, without delay and allow a full and total accounting for that," referring to Syria's chemical weapon stockpile.
"But he isn't about to do it and it can't be done."
...
Within the next hour or so
Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: "We are calling on the Syrian authorities not only agree on putting chemical weapons storages under international control, but also for its further destruction and then joining the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons," Mr Lavrov said.
...
Soon after
Syrian Forreign Minister Walid al-Muallem: "The Syrian Arab republic welcomes the Russian initiative, motivated by the concerns of the Russian leadership for the lives of our citizens and the security of our country," he said, according to Russia's Interfax news agency.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/syria-timeline-how-kerrys-gaffe-became-a-plan-20130910-2ti4z.html

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

89. #4 Russia Trumps Obama War Plan (The NATION)

September 10, 2013

Russia Trumps Obama War Plan
...
Today, facing defeat in Congress—perhaps the first-ever rejection of the use of the American military by a president who sought the approval of those 535 experts on foreign policy on Capitol Hill—Obama finds himself bailed out by Putin.
...
Even more oddly, Kerry said that a US attack on Syria would be “unbelievably small,” a comment that is not only dumb, but wrong. As I wrote yesterday, the planned American strike on Syria is designed to be massive and tilt the balance of the fighting in favor of the Al Qaeda–dominated rebels. Even Obama, asked about the size of the strike, had to contradict Kerry, in an interview with NBC:
...
http://www.thenation.com/blog/176095/russia-trumps-obama-war-plan#

[geek tragedy]

90. Putin, Obama discussed Syria arms control idea last week: Kremlin

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE9890I020130910?irpc=932

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin and U.S. President Barack Obama discussed the idea of placing Syria's chemical weapons arsenal under international control on the sidelines of a G20 summit last week, Putin's spokesman said on Tuesday.

"The issue was discussed," spokesman Dmitry Peskov said by telephone. He would not say who raised the issue or give other details.

[Billy Budd]

15. Russia might have supplied heavy weapons to the Ukrainian rebels. Really now!

Russia might have supplied heavy weapons to the Ukrainian rebels. Really now! Just try to imagine the evil of intervening militarily in the internal affairs of another nation! Imagine stoking conflicts by pouring weapons into them.......waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa hahahahahahahhahahahh

We as a Nation would never do that ....ROFLMAO


I wonder if they ran a cartoon when we knocked down the Iranian civilian airliner eh LOL

[Submariner]

16. He gave Putin GW Bush ears......that's gotta hurt

I'd be pissed to see myself caricatured with the ears many cartoonists gave Dubya.

[Cha]

21. That's one fucking trophy Vlad is backing way the fuck back from.. so much so

that the Russians are scrambling on "steroids"

Russia attempting to hide proof of involvement in terrorist act in Ukrainian skies – SBU

http://euromaidanpress.com/2014/07/19/russia-attempting-to-hide-proof-of-involvement-in-terrorist-act-in-ukrainian-skies-sbu/

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

49. no investigation yet, but rush to judgement is complete - now lets get our $$ war on

why bother with an investigation, why bother with the facts?

[geek tragedy]

55. Because the guilty parties are looting the crime

scene of evidence .

[sulphurdunn]

38. Has anyone obtained

any credible evidence linking the Russian government to the downing of MH 17 or that provides a rational motive for it to have committed or aided and abetted such an act?

[geek tragedy]

44. Besides its proxies bragging about it before

they realized it was a passenger jet.

With an intelligence officer of the Russian government bragging about being the one who ordered the attack?

[sulphurdunn]

94. Says who?

I'm trying to be smart here, but allegations are not evidence.

[geek tragedy]

97. The separatists bragged about it online

before realizing they had shot down a passenger jet.

That falls under the category of admissions, not allegations.

[sulphurdunn]

98. The claim needs independent verification.

Once people begin killing each other you can take nothing anyone says at face value.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

50. these folks don't want evidence, they've made up their mind

facts don't matter when folks want a war

[geek tragedy]

54. No one is calling for war.

Just acknowledging the obvious.

[IronGate]

100. Really?

Who's calling for war?

[DeSwiss]

62. You're ruining this war dance......

...with your rational questions, you know? And Dems don't do good war under the best of circumstances anymore.

- Besides, you might get hurt by swinging elbows and such. Because when Democrats do the war dance, they usually hurt themselves more than the ''enemy.''

''Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.''

~George Santayana, The Life of Reason, Volume 1, - 1905

[Roy Serohz]

41. Nailed it!

REC

[lovuian]

45. In a French museum lies a scrap book with clippings from WWI

in the clippings is a picture of a US soldier kicking a German in the derriere

A German historian who was a friend of our family told us it was a good example of how
newspapers and media use images to get Americans to fight in the WWI

I just hope we understand these tactics have been used for along time

and it indicates to me the media atmosphere is a precursor to World War III

History does repeat itself

[DeSwiss]

60. ''I just hope we understand these tactics have been used for along time....''

You can tell by the comments that it isn't understood. That's why we're in the fucked-up sitch that we're in, in the first place. Pavlov would be proud.

- As Santayana said: ''...when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual.''

[Cha]

52. Kick in honor of those wanting to "Leave

Putin Alone!"

[geek tragedy]

53. This thread drew them out, huh? nt

[Cha]

56. We're "rushing to

judgment!" But, it's okay for them to do it where certain ratfuckers are concerned. Just don't rush to judgment on Putin.

Newsflash.. I watched Rachel last night and she pointed out of we do know.. I'd have to have my head buried.. never mind where.. not to notice the evidence.

[SunSeeker]

59. Putin wants to reassemble the Soviet Empire of his youth.

Of course, he will fail, but he will kill a lot of people in the process.

[Helen Borg]

65. OMG...

How do they come up with these ideas? It's really creative and on target.

[Hissyspit]

68. Yay. A Murdoch-owned, conservative-leaning newspaper's cartoon gets a hundred recs on DU.

You remember Murdoch? The guy who admitted to intentionally trying to manipulate us into war with Saddam?

[Cali_Democrat]

91. I can see the toon gave you a sad

I'm sorry.

It's just so mean to Putin....

[Hissyspit]

93. Yeah, that's the problem. It's mean to Putin.

Um, no.

[mbperrin]

85. I'm sure he'll cry himself to sleep tonight after seeing that.

Or, no.

[flamingdem]

95. Oh Pootie

this is so dead on

[NYC Liberal]

96. K&R. Criticism of Dear Leader Pooty-Poot is not "warmongering"

despite what some would want us to believe.

[Hissyspit]

99. Not necessarily, it isn't.

But Charles Foster Kane would love what The Times is up to.

[Cha]

101. Can't have anything coming out about Putin that isn't from RT or his US internet

protectors get their feathers ruffled.

Bad USA.. it's all Obama's fault that fucking putin's air missile shot this plane out of the sky with all those poor poor people on board.


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UK Prime Minister comes straight out with it, writing in the UK Times: "#MH17 is an atrocity made in Moscow"
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http://theobamadiary.com/2014/07/19/chat-on-18/

[UTUSN]

102. & in more Shrub/Pooty-Poot news... n/t