Which President do you trust?

[William769]

13 votes, 11 passes | Time left: Unlimited
	President Obama
	12 (92%)
	President Putin
	1 (8%)
	11 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[NV Whino]

1. Where's the "none of the above" option?

[Coventina]

2. I'd LOVE to see this poll posted on a RW site.

Guess who would probably win by a mile?

[freshwest]

83. I'd love to post this on a RW site:

If they squawked, I'd post this:



Obama would never say that. And they'd probably ban me for the first pic. Or make death threats...

They'd either be on board or be quiet if this were posted:



No matter what, they'll support Putin and Palin because of 'that there Kenyan in the White House.'

[MADem]

111. Love the Putin-Palin one...how do ya say "You betcha" in Russian?

[freshwest]

114. We might ask DFW when he posts again:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=186843

Since he's fluent in a lot of languages over there...

But I doubt if google would give us an answer, it's slang and probably not translatable.

Maybe a translation of 'Look into my eyes, darling' would explain those two winky winks!

[MADem]

116. The Goog sez "Yes-shye beh" but I've no idea.

Еще бы

I knew enough Russian to find the restaurant and order a meal but not much else...and that was a long long time ago!

[DFW]

118. I trust Googe translations as much as those signs seen in humor books on travel to China

"Ещё бы" may be an expression nowadays, but I've never heard it. Ещё is sort of the Russian "yet."

"Ещё нет" is "not yet," and "Ещё раз" is "one more (i.e. yet another) time"

"бы" is just a particle introduced in sentences to indicate the conditional, e.g. Я знал=I knew, Я бы знал=I would have known

"You Betcha," unless there is some modern phrase for it, would just be translated by "Конечно (kan-YESH-na)," which almost sounds similar. It just means "of course."

[MADem]

119. HA!! When Google is good, it is very, very good--but when it is bad, it is HORRID!!!! nt

[DFW]

120. When I'm working, hardly a week goes by when I don't need to use 9 different languages

If I needed to use google all the time, I'd have 350 hour weeks, and I STILL wouldn't know for sure if what I said/wrote was accurate. It cost me some time to learn them, but MAN does it beat asking "what's that in English?" every 2 minutes!

[randys1]

103. Rightwingers deeply hate America for changing colors

[Coventina]

104. Yep. Putin may be an ex-KGB commie thug, but at least he's white!

[sheshe2]

3. LOL~

That was an easy one!

[greatauntoftriplets]

4. No question!

[William769]

5. And to anyone out there still claiming about your right to free speech, here's your chance!

[Thinkingabout]

6. Putin doesn't have a chance, now if Putin was compared to Dick Cheney the the vote

Would be closer.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

7. We're not supposed to trust politicians in a democracy.

Both are politicians. I trust only that both will work in their own political interests.

[MohRokTah]

9. Bovine excrement. eom

[William769]

10. Nice cop out.

P.S. Maybe I should have said who would you vote for?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

12. Neither.

[treestar]

85. Misanthropy

Really.

In fact we trust them all the time, especially the local ones we've never heard of. Or, we let them do their thing without checking it out.

[MohRokTah]

8. I love poll transparency.

Best feature about polls on this site.

I consider those openly clicking on the not choosing choice to be identical to anybody who would click on Putin.

[William769]

11. Me too.

[spin]

41. You have every right to that opinion but there was no option for those like me ...

who don't trust either Putin or Obama.

However I will say that I trust Obama more than I do Putin. Putin appears to have conquest on his mind. Obama doesn't seem to have any interest in starting any wars.

[Lancero]

98. Hmm...

"I don't trust either"

"I trust Obama more"

Something looks odd here - How can you trust one more then the other, if you don't trust either of them?

[spin]

107. Simple. It's a matter of degree.

In the social sciences, the subtleties of trust are a subject of ongoing research. In sociology and psychology the degree to which one party trusts another is a measure of belief in the honesty, fairness, or benevolence of another party.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust_(social_sciences)

I find it hard to totally trust any politician. However I do believe that Obama is far more interested in a good future for our nation than Putin is.

[Union Scribe]

46. Why aren't you decrying push polling in this case?

You were so upset about another "push poll" on the media here today. I guess sometimes they're neato right?

[hfojvt]

56. if they are not with us

they are against us.

[NaturalHigh]

59. Yeah, that philosophy always works out so well.

[m-lekktor]

13. interesting you didn't have "neither" as an option.

trusting any politician is foolish.

[William769]

14. Neither seems kind of foolish being on a political discussion board.

If I don't trust somebody, I won't vote for him.

[gwheezie]

15. I like Obama

but like all people, he's going to present himself in the best way that supports his agenda. I don't trust Putin at all, I can't stand the man, his position on gays is appalling to me.

[William769]

17. Agreed.

[JustAnotherGen]

77. In total agreement

If one looks down on the Pope for his ignorant opinions - they ought to look down on Putin for his ignorant and hateful ACTIONS towards gay human beings.

[freshwest]

78. +1

[Cha]

16. What!? No one's voting for Putin?! Where are all the RT pushers?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5258306

[William769]

18. Good question.

I'm giving them the perfect opportunity to voice their like & dislike.

[Cha]

19. My theory is they're

licking their wounds.. vowing to come back and fight another day.



P.S. that Obama is sooo untrustworthy! Rofl

[BainsBane]

20. I've noticed that phenomenon in many polls

People who spend a day or more arguing a position won't declare that position in a poll. I don't really know why. It's not like their posts don't make clear what their position is. We have seen it on dozens of issues.

[William769]

23. Agreed. I just thought I would give it a shot.

[Cha]

24. Especially this one.. it's one thing to push RT on us but to be

on record as trusting Putin? That's a whole other kettle of rotting fish.

[BainsBane]

28. What else are they saying when they believe RT over the President?

It means they trust Putin more.

[Cha]

37. Exactly. They're hoping we don't notice the

Disconnect or something.

[sheshe2]

21. LOL! I was on that jury~

On Fri Jul 18, 2014, 07:49 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Yo, RT-USA haters, it's called FREEDOM OF THE PRESS, listen and learn
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025258306

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Great example of dishonesty: the "50 recs" thread referred to merely was an opinion calling RT an unreliable source. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025256967

This thread is crazy, over-the-top flamebait and callout, echoing right wing Duck Dynasty apologetics. Nothing worth discussing. It's because of a broad brush accusation that DUers are "against the basic principles the U.S.A was founded on" and support "other horrors."

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Jul 18, 2014, 08:10 PM, and the Jury voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Flamebait. Why this passion for RT on DU? It's propaganda pure and simple. The Op clearly needs to study up on the meaning of the First Amendment and how it applies to a private site.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: the discussion following is enough.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This thread should be in a straight jacket.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Mr Corruption is invited to return to the underside of the bridge from whence he came.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

I was #1...

Cha

[William769]

25. Thanks for posting. I was wanting to see those results.

[sheshe2]

27. You are welcome.

Ugly OP!

[William769]

29. Did you see my comment in that thread?

[sheshe2]

32. I sure did, William. Awesome!

I always read the whole thread when I am on jury, which is a lot lately. Yes, and I followed your link too.

[Brigid]

105. I've been on a lot of juries lately too.

I thought it was just my imagination.

[freshwest]

87. I did and followed that to the SPLC. I'll take their word over RT, Infowars, the Daily Paul and

other websites this stuff comes from.

You nailed them just like this OP reveals the infection at DU.

Today I stumbled upon an editorial by Michael Savage when following links today and the views are word for word, with what's said here with so much vehemence.

They think we don't google and can't find them out? Pulleese!

[Cha]

26. Great, she! #1's advice was excellent!

[sheshe2]

34. Thanks Cha!

[BainsBane]

30. I wouldn't have voted to hide that

I disagree with it, and said so, but I think he has a right to say it.

[SidDithers]

81. That was a damn good hide...

Sid

[freshwest]

86. Jurors 5 and 6 got me ROFL! Thanks for that.

[MADem]

112. HA--I was reading those results and said to myself, 'That Number One has NAILED it!" nt

[cui bono]

64. They're all in your head.

[Cha]

67. RT Pushers are on this board.. but, you knew that.

Yo, RT-USA haters, it's called FREEDOM OF THE PRESS, listen and learn
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025258306

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Great example of dishonesty: the "50 recs" thread referred to merely was an opinion calling RT an unreliable source. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025256967

This thread is crazy, over-the-top flamebait and callout, echoing right wing Duck Dynasty apologetics. Nothing worth discussing. It's because of a broad brush accusation that DUers are "against the basic principles the U.S.A was founded on" and support "other horrors."

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Jul 18, 2014, 08:10 PM, and the Jury voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Flamebait. Why this passion for RT on DU? It's propaganda pure and simple. The Op clearly needs to study up on the meaning of the First Amendment and how it applies to a private site.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: the discussion following is enough.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This thread should be in a straight jacket.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Mr Corruption is invited to return to the underside of the bridge from whence he came.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5260103

[cui bono]

69. Where in that post does it say to listen to and believe everything RT says? n/t

[Cha]

70. Right.. all the RT Pushers on this board who swear by RT don't want you to believe

anything from them.. they just post it for the hell of it.

a correspondent quit today after getting fed up with their bullshit.

Russia Today London correspondent resigns in protest at 'disrespect for facts' over Malaysian plane

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025256299

[cui bono]

71. You used that thread as your example. I didn't see anything that said we should believe RT in there.

If you are going to say "RT pushers" in the same way you guys like to say "Obama haters" and "Paulbots" you are going to have to come up with something that backs that up or else I will just file it under "more name calling by those who can't stand critical thinking".

Even your second link doesn't show any one "pushing" RT.

You seem so intent on dividing DU into Obama lovers and Putin lovers, Obama lovers and Snowden lovers. The fact is the world isn't so simplistic and black and white like that. You really want to continue that sentiment of "you're either for us or against us" but it wasn't right when Bush said it and it's not right when the BOGGERS try to enact it either.

[Cha]

72. Actually I don't have to come with anything for you and your personal attacks.

Go fight with yourself.

[cui bono]

73. So you don't have anything then? I thought not. n/t

[freshwest]

79. They must have missed this thread.

[Cha]

89. Too busy soaking up RT and .. finding out Putin's take on how he and his murderous

henchmen had nothing to do with the air missile downing of Malaysian Flight MH17.

Russia attempting to hide proof of involvement in terrorist act in Ukrainian skies – SBU

http://euromaidanpress.com/2014/07/19/russia-attempting-to-hide-proof-of-involvement-in-terrorist-act-in-ukrainian-skies-sbu/

[William769]

102. They didn't miss it, they are afraid of it.

[All_Corners]

22. Trust to do what?

[cantbeserious]

31. Neither - I No Longer Trust Any Politician Or Government

eom

[flamingdem]

33. O kicked Putie's azz today when he said

NO propaganda and NO games

[William769]

38. See here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025256753

[flamingdem]

39. Oh cool, I wanted to see what he really said

because it hit the tone needed perfectly. Pootie doesn't stand a chance.

[William769]

42. There is a link in the thread to a transcript.

[Savannahmann]

47. Yeah, that will get Putin in line.

I'm surprised that Putin didn't just resign in abject shame. Well, the day is young there, perhaps he's waiting until after lunch.

[RebelOne]

35. That is really dumb question. What person in their right mind would pick Putin? n/t

[William769]

36. You would be surprised.

[ann---]

40. I trust

no one.

[morningfog]

43. Neither.

[840high]

44. None of the above.

[oldandhappy]

45. Mine!

I'll take President Obama absolutely.

[madokie]

48. I like and Trust my President

very much thank you

[Hell Hath No Fury]

49. Putin's a raging asshole -

and I watch O like a hawk. There is less that a handful of politicians that I actually trust.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

50. I trust President Obama. He is smart and calm under pressure.

That said, no one is infallible or above criticism.

[PoliticAverse]

51. "Doveryai no proveryai." n/t

[MADem]

113. Reaganovich, is that you? nt

[Spitfire of ATJ]

52. This one...

[BillZBubb]

53. A fairer poll would be putin vs w bush.

That would be a tough one.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

55. "History has tried to teach us that we can't have good government under politicians.

"History has tried to teach us that we can't have good government under politicians. Now, to go and stick one at the very head of government couldn't be wise." Mark Twain

[hrmjustin]

57. Interesting and telling results.

[Separation]

58. Unfair poll

You have a nice picture of President Obama and a picture of Putin looking all grumpy.

Gotta put a picture of Putin either smiling or if none are available at least shirtless riding an eagle swooping down saving some children or something.

[PatrickforO]

60. From an objective standpoint, Obama has been OK

In some areas, he has done well, in others poorly, and he's just plain wrong on the drone policies and NSA bloat.

It is a genuine pity that a group of opportunistic, corporate owned people in Congress care more about smearing him than about governing the country.

You know, when pilots are trained the first thing said to them is, "No matter what else is happening, fly the plane."

Well, whether you love him, are lukewarm toward him or hate him, Obama is TRYING to fly the plane. This is more than we can say for the GOP. Unfortunately, if voters vote stupidly this time around, the plane may crash. We're already pretty far off course.

[William769]

61. kick.

[whatchamacallit]

62. Yeah this makes sense

[cui bono]

63. What a ridiculous question.

You are presuming, falsely, that one must trust one or the other. What if one trusts neither?

This is about the level of discourse one would expect from the teabagger community. Having read other posts of yours I would certainly expect better from you, though you seem to be on a roll with ridiculous posts about Putin tonight from what I've seen.

[cali]

66. Aside from that, it's rank false equivalency of the most blatant kind.

the vast majority here are U.S. citizens, not Russian citizens. We have no vested interest in trusting Putin.

[cali]

65. I trust President Obama on some issues. I certainly trust him more than Putin on

virtually everything, but this is a false equivalency. I don't have any need to trust Putin. He's not my President. President Obama is.

I do not trust President Obama on most economic issues. He has DEMONSTRATED that corporations are more important constituents to him than actual people. Over and over again.

[Cha]

68. Hey, ya got one vote for Putin and thanks to transparency

it's no secret who admits they trust the homophobic human rights abuser Putin. It's take all fucking kinds.

[Cha]

74. Kick!

[SidDithers]

80. Awesome...

Well done, Bill.

Sid

[William769]

97. Thanks Sid.

[Rex]

82. Seriously, I won't even vote in that because Putin is not the president of his country!

HE IS A DICTATOR. Just because they wrap nice words in a box, still doesn't mean there isn't a stinking foul turd inside! The day I trust a dictator is Never Day.

If not for Obama, we would all be knee deep in blood...thanks to McCain and his insane plan (in his 2nd term) on destroying the world in order to save it!


I can't believe that even has to be a poll on DU...have we sunk that low to where people believe a dictator over a fully (been awhile too) legit POTUS?

[William769]

93. Actually yes.

I know you read DU a lot Rex. Although the Puntinista's are a small group here they really make DU suck of their support of that madman. 3 of them are on temporary suspension right now. The one's that are still here, their propaganda is so fucking disgusting it just makes a person to want to puke.

[Rex]

99. That is sad then.

I see someone actually did vote for Putin!

They think this is a game? The WORLD is a gazillion times safer with the BFEE out of power and the same will hold true (even more so for Russia) when Putin is no more and there is a freely elected leader of Russia! I think some of the people supporting Putin, need to learn something about their new found leader - he is only one step away from being another Stalin!

Until then, anyone that believes Putin is some kind of great leader, will get nothing but snark from me. The man belongs in a prison cell right next to Cheney and Bush as far as I am concerned!

[William769]

100. ...

[treestar]

84. LOL

I bet you'll get some answers - they won't admit to being behind Obama ever, not even against dictators from other countries.

[William769]

94. They are hiding behind the pass vote. Only one had the ball's to actually vote what they think.

[freshwest]

101. Hey, the anti-Christ is more scarey than those guys! Obama is the Ultimate Evil, you know!

Or so they tell us all the time. If you aren't angry and afraid, you'll be known as part of the:


There is no middle ground! Repent or Perish!

[Luminous Animal]

88. Saddam Hussein

[Lancero]

90. I really wonder why do many people are voting "Don't want to choose"...

This is a Democratic forum - You'd think the choice would be easy.

We've got one person who voted Putin - It's a choice that many would disagree with, but at least this person has courage enough to admit to preferring Putin to Obama. (Unlike 31 other people...)

[Puzzledtraveller]

91. Democracy implies an easy choice?

I chose neither because I do not trust politicians.

[William769]

95. Chicken little come to mind.

Just substitute the word little with another word and bingo.

Fucking Putin can't tell the truth, why should they be any different?

[Bobbie Jo]

92. This thread is full of WIN!

[William769]

96. I do my best.

[H2O Man]

106. JFK

[Jamaal510]

108. The results of this poll are intriguing,

particularly when looking at some of those who voted "pass" instead of Obama. The choice between Obama and Putin should be a no-brainer for a person who is supposedly a Democrat and posting on a site called DemocraticUnderground. The economy has been improving under Obama, he has been busy drawing down two wars, and he has been very vocal about women's rights and gay rights, while Putin's agenda has been much more regressive. And in Russia, they've got even more of a surveillance state than the U.S., and the Putin administration has been notorious for jailing journalists that criticize them.
There's no comparison when one objectively looks at the agendas of these two presidents.

[Gothmog]

109. The fact that W vouched for Putin's character is all I need

W looked into Putin's eyes and assessed Putin's character. Like all of W's opinions, he was wrong here also

[Rex]

115. That right there made me want to vomit.

Soul mates. At least we got rid of our little emperor.

[TheKentuckian]

110. I have neither need nor reason to trust Putin, the question has no functional purpose.

Nor would trusting him or not trusting make any difference to my life he isn't even a store clerk here.

Putin has no trust but my need for any trust is nearly nonexistent other than his nuclear arsenal, which I trust a lot more the less desperate he is.

[Enrique]

117. the guy on the bottom looks shifty

for one thing, he is not wearing an American flag pin.