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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 01:25 PM Jul 2014

How DU can avoid getting ratfucked again by the GOP during the 2014 election cycle:

Last edited Wed Jul 16, 2014, 01:55 PM - Edit history (1)

It appears a number of DUers here took some recent GOP bait hook line and sinker:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025244837

This is a good lesson for some folks on DU. How can we prevent getting taken for a ride by the GOP in the future?

1) Be suspicious of any MSM article that plays up divisions among Dems. The GOP is in a very weak position historically, especially when you consider their current standing among women and minorities along with the recent demographic changes in this country. The GOP cannot win elections campaigning on their unpopular policies so they will employ the divide and conquer strategy along with tactics such voter suppression.

2) Look at the author of the article. If the author is a well-known GOP hack who writes for conservative websites like the National Review Online, that's a pretty good indication that the article is not what it appears to be. A simple Google search of the author will suffice.

3) Look for actual facts and numbers. If the article provides no actual evidence, you may want to consider taking the entire thing with a grain of salt. As we saw during the 2012 election cycle, facts and numbers for the GOP are like sunlight to a vampire.

The 2014 election is getting closer by the day. The GOP will try to win by any means necessary. Just be aware that this is happening. You can be taken for a ride if you're not alert.

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How DU can avoid getting ratfucked again by the GOP during the 2014 election cycle: (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 OP
Short answer: Stand for something and actualy mean it Armstead Jul 2014 #1
That would be a nice start. n/t deutsey Jul 2014 #14
seems to me like the OP is going the other way hfojvt Jul 2014 #61
As opposed to getting ratfucked by the Turd Way? hobbit709 Jul 2014 #2
the gop will be soooo much nicer to you - they wont fuck you at all leftyohiolib Jul 2014 #25
Oh no, what the GOP does is legitimate... Hekate Jul 2014 #52
Oh boo hoo.. the "turd way is going to ratfuck you". The gop will help you out.. give you all the Cha Jul 2014 #64
Beware of any article that includes the phrases: "Many people think that..." or Aristus Jul 2014 #3
Or HurricaneWarning Jul 2014 #21
It's simple. MineralMan Jul 2014 #4
And without GOTV, not much else will matter anyway. riqster Jul 2014 #8
Exactly. MineralMan Jul 2014 #9
Yep G_j Jul 2014 #31
+3 nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #54
Yup. Same here. riqster Jul 2014 #55
+a zillion! nt sheshe2 Jul 2014 #41
Funny how we see very few Repubs in disarray articles mcar Jul 2014 #5
The ideologues are useful tools the right uses to divide us. nt conservaphobe Jul 2014 #6
Not sure why you posted it a second time... Orsino Jul 2014 #7
I'm happy it was posted the second time madokie Jul 2014 #11
What's wrong? Orsino Jul 2014 #15
Ditto. Wait Wut Jul 2014 #23
Me too! Missed the first one. Just went and rec'd it Number23 Jul 2014 #48
Me three! n/t Tarheel_Dem Jul 2014 #30
Me four! freshwest Aug 2014 #69
The thread had over a 150 recs Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #18
Oh, some other thread? Orsino Jul 2014 #19
Link, 152 Recs. That's empirical enough for me. Hekate Jul 2014 #27
Look at the slugs crawling all over the folks in that thread that dared to state the obvious Number23 Jul 2014 #49
I'm all for the Warrenfest in the thread... Orsino Jul 2014 #58
And be very suspicious of folks who use terms like "Turd Way". Like this useless idiot..... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2014 #10
along with post #2 leftyohiolib Jul 2014 #26
It's as plain as day (to most of us) that there's a Dem bashing undercurrent with a certain group... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2014 #33
No kidding, Tarheel. sheshe2 Jul 2014 #42
You ask a most excellent question, She. Senators grow in power; why the rush to oust her? Hekate Jul 2014 #45
It is a good question Hekate. sheshe2 Jul 2014 #46
Haven't you heard? EW's old news. O'Malley is our next best hope. That is until.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2014 #47
Ha! Hekate Jul 2014 #51
Exactly. They set out to take over city councils, state leg's, even school boards in their "long... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2014 #56
DAMN what an awesome post. Number23 Jul 2014 #62
The Turd Way needs to be flushed and to the best of my knowledge, I coined it not Nader. TheKentuckian Jul 2014 #38
The term ceases to mean much, when everyone you disagree with is a "Turd Way'er". Tarheel_Dem Jul 2014 #39
Oh, if only Republicans got ONE ZILLIONTH the spittle flecked rage that is thrown at the Third Way Number23 Jul 2014 #50
Have you noticed, they're always on a different page from the Democratic party? The now defunct.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2014 #59
Spot on! greatlaurel Jul 2014 #57
All the code words have been deployed..."Reagan Democrats", "Turd Way", "Gay hugging Corporatists". Tarheel_Dem Jul 2014 #60
"Gay hugging Corporatists" Wait.. what???! Number23 Jul 2014 #63
Ding! Ding! Ding! Damn, you're good. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2014 #66
Ah, I'll PM you... freshwest Aug 2014 #70
Oh is "turd way" a stupid ralph nader term? Like his "tweedledum and tweedeldee" stupidity? Cha Jul 2014 #65
His sycophants like to throw that term around. Translation = "I disagree with you". Tarheel_Dem Jul 2014 #67
Yes, I know.. they're so Cha Jul 2014 #68
I don't remember getting ratfucked. progressoid Jul 2014 #12
A large number of DUers were, unfortunately Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #36
Stick to political issues, read/scan whole article not just title. KittyWampus Jul 2014 #13
Good point Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #20
...because no true Scotsmen would do so. aikoaiko Jul 2014 #16
be very careful what you read! Enrique Jul 2014 #17
Thanks Cali-Democrat! They call them media whores for a reason. McCamy Taylor Jul 2014 #22
You're welcome, McCamy! Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #37
Kick, Rec, and keep up the good work Cali_Democrat. Hekate Jul 2014 #24
K&R ReRe Jul 2014 #28
Whatever ............. Sherman A1 Jul 2014 #29
It should get worse by the end of August flamingdem Jul 2014 #32
You Better Believe It! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2014 #34
Hi TD! flamingdem Jul 2014 #44
I am busy with county party and state party on issues for 2014 Gothmog Jul 2014 #35
DU rec... SidDithers Jul 2014 #40
Bashing for some is all about the Rec's. eom sheshe2 Jul 2014 #43
Went from 152 to 151 recs chknltl Jul 2014 #53

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
61. seems to me like the OP is going the other way
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 03:37 PM
Jul 2014

where it is "ratfucking" if anybody is persuaded to be angry at, or oppose a conservadem. That there really is no division in the Democratic Party because we all support the current and future conservadems.

Cha

(297,240 posts)
64. Oh boo hoo.. the "turd way is going to ratfuck you". The gop will help you out.. give you all the
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 10:35 PM
Jul 2014

best advice on who's going to be a drag on Dems in the Midterms.

Aristus

(66,369 posts)
3. Beware of any article that includes the phrases: "Many people think that..." or
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 01:30 PM
Jul 2014

"Some people believe that..."

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
4. It's simple.
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 01:34 PM
Jul 2014
GOTV 2014 and Beyond!

Get Democrats to the polls in their numbers and what the GOP does will not matter. Just get Democrats out to vote and trust them to vote for the best candidate in their states and districts. That's the winning combination, really.

mcar

(42,331 posts)
5. Funny how we see very few Repubs in disarray articles
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 01:36 PM
Jul 2014

The MSM has their theme and they are sticking to it.

Excellent suggestions Cali.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
7. Not sure why you posted it a second time...
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 01:39 PM
Jul 2014

...when it seems no one was fooled by the first. Is there empirical evidence of a significant number of DUers taking it seriously?

madokie

(51,076 posts)
11. I'm happy it was posted the second time
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 01:46 PM
Jul 2014

I didn't see it the first time but I did this time. Besides C-D has good sound advice strewn all through this short post. The only wrong here is your reply

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
15. What's wrong?
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 01:58 PM
Jul 2014

Both threads are calling out DUers for no apparent reason. I certainly agree with the rest of the premise, but was surprised at the tone of both OPs.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
18. The thread had over a 150 recs
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 02:22 PM
Jul 2014

Last edited Wed Jul 16, 2014, 04:10 PM - Edit history (1)

It was at the top of the greatest page for quite some time. A large number of DUers took the bait unfortunately. Many had no idea the article was written by a well-known conservative.

I'm trying to make sure the same mistake is not repeated.

Hekate

(90,690 posts)
27. Link, 152 Recs. That's empirical enough for me.
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 04:03 PM
Jul 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025242021

The GOP and the MSM do something called "framing," and they are very good at it. If I were writing that article, for instance, I would have titled it: "Warren stumps for Dem candidates; will help get Obama a Congress he can work with." Instead we have a title that instantly says the Dems are splitting apart when in fact the GOP is in a civil war with its own various factions.

See how nifty that works?

And see how many DUers were only too happy to take the opportunity to slam Obama, slam Hillary, and jump on the Warren for President bandwagon? when she still has not announced she will run, nor has Hillary announced she will run -- and what we need Right Now this Very Minute is a GOTV for 2014 or we might as well kiss 2016 goodbye.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
49. Look at the slugs crawling all over the folks in that thread that dared to state the obvious
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 02:11 AM
Jul 2014

NYC Liberal in particular though s/he handled them all and didn't break a sweat.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
58. I'm all for the Warrenfest in the thread...
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 02:56 PM
Jul 2014

...but the referenced story is kind of a nothing. Does seem an excuse for a dig at the president, when we consider the source.

But I do prefer Warren's message over about any other prominent Democrat's. While I hope she'll run for president someday, we need her almost as badly in the Senate--something I used to say about Clinton, too. Funny.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,234 posts)
10. And be very suspicious of folks who use terms like "Turd Way". Like this useless idiot.....
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 01:45 PM
Jul 2014


Understand that there are interlopers who use these forums to split actual "Democrats". Not everyone on the internet, or DU, is who they claim to be. Just ask a recently banned "troll".

Tarheel_Dem

(31,234 posts)
33. It's as plain as day (to most of us) that there's a Dem bashing undercurrent with a certain group...
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 04:30 PM
Jul 2014

here.

sheshe2

(83,770 posts)
42. No kidding, Tarheel.
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 11:40 PM
Jul 2014

And if you bash Obama all the merrier, cause it's all about the rec's. Throw a Dem under the bus off to the greatest page. Show the positives of what we have accomplished so far...and the outrage in 5...4...3...2...1 and then it sinks.

The sad thing, EW is my Senator. I met her and she is awesome. Yet since she was elected I have said little about her here. Not that I have issues with her, she is doing what she does best in the Senate. She will be there to focus on the issues of the middle class and can focus on wall street. EW can do this as the Senior Senator from Mass. She is in her element and the GOP fears her and wants her to fail.

I have always questioned the rush of some to want her out of that seat. Why is that...hmmm? She can do far more damage to the GOP where she now sits. So, again I ask, why the rush to have her move on?

Hekate

(90,690 posts)
45. You ask a most excellent question, She. Senators grow in power; why the rush to oust her?
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 12:28 AM
Jul 2014

Things that make you go hmmmmm. I wonder which Repub would want her seat if she's off running for president straight away?

sheshe2

(83,770 posts)
46. It is a good question Hekate.
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 12:43 AM
Jul 2014

I have asked it many times here and have been slammed. I have been told with a laugh...so a Senator has more power that a President??? My answer was that as a Senator she can focus on the issue of the middle class and the banks. A President can not focus in on an issue or two. They have the whole country to run and our foreign affairs.

We need EW where she is and she is indeed where she wants to be. For those that want her gone.

Just look what Teddy Kennedy did for this country as Senior Senator from Mass , may he rest in peace.

As for who wants that seat? Probably Scott Brown... he lost to her. Is now running in NH and will probably (hopefully) lose.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,234 posts)
47. Haven't you heard? EW's old news. O'Malley is our next best hope. That is until....
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 01:33 AM
Jul 2014

Obama bashing candidate X, Y, or Z comes along. Remember that hot minute when Brian Schweitzer was all the rage? Until people started digging into his actual positions on the issues, and learned that aside from his Obama bashing, he really had very little in common with liberals, or most Democrats for that matter.

The folks clamoring for an alternative don't inspire much confidence, do they? Gee, I wonder who will come along after O'Malley's fifteen minutes are up?

Hekate

(90,690 posts)
51. Ha!
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 02:22 AM
Jul 2014

I keep saying that we Dems as a whole have the attention span of a gnat, and that the radical RW keeps playing the long game, which is why they've gotten as far as they have.

Oy

Tarheel_Dem

(31,234 posts)
56. Exactly. They set out to take over city councils, state leg's, even school boards in their "long...
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 12:29 PM
Jul 2014

game" while liberals are almost solely focused on the White House. What makes them think they don't have to do the work? Whoever the POTUS is, they need a Congress they can work with.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
62. DAMN what an awesome post.
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 10:23 PM
Jul 2014
What makes them think they don't have to do the work? Whoever the POTUS is, they need a Congress they can work with.

You nailed it, Tarheel. Give 'em hell, girl.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
38. The Turd Way needs to be flushed and to the best of my knowledge, I coined it not Nader.
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 07:37 PM
Jul 2014

SO MOTHERFUCK THE TURDWAY!

If you want to circle the wagons around the Koch Brothers/Pete Peterson corporate assimilation campaign feel free but it says that is the kind of toxic, anti Democratic, anti self determination, fuck a second Bill of Rights, too big to fail loving, warmongering, secular TeaPubliKlan, pro corporate capture and dominance, anti civil liberties, free trading, screw the working class, forget the environment ideals you favor/tolerate/encourage by using the Teaidiots as contrast/excuse to sell out the people, the country, and the world because that is exactly what the Turd Way is all about no matter how many slick labels they come up with and run from when the light of day is shed on them.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
50. Oh, if only Republicans got ONE ZILLIONTH the spittle flecked rage that is thrown at the Third Way
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 02:14 AM
Jul 2014

by some around here. They should be so lucky, huh?

If it wasn't for DU I wouldn't even know what Third Way was. And to be honest, nothing they could ever do could make me have less respect for them as I do the ones here that believe that they are the source of all evil in this world.

Edit: And I wrote this post BEFORE I even saw post 38!

Tarheel_Dem

(31,234 posts)
59. Have you noticed, they're always on a different page from the Democratic party? The now defunct....
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 03:26 PM
Jul 2014

quinnox was famous for it. Whatever was galvanizing Dems at any given moment, was met with his equivalent of "Benghazi". The Trayvon Martin debate seemed to upset him mightily. The Christie bridge scandal...same thing. He'd start threads like, "if you're tired of hearing about x, y, or z...you can hide. Things that normally would've been important to Dems of all stripes were particularly upsetting to him and his clique. I saw that one coming from a mile away...you Better Believe It!

greatlaurel

(2,004 posts)
57. Spot on!
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 02:42 PM
Jul 2014

The ratters have been increasing in number and activity in recent weeks. The GOP must know the only shot they have to win in the fall are dirty tricks and voter suppression. The divide and conquer methods have been used for decades. How much of the riots of 1968 at the Democratic Convention were the result of that type of activity? Hubert Humphrey was a good progressive candidate who lost to Nixon. That should not have happened. Nixon was never very well liked. We see mention of Reagan Democrats a lot, but Nixon got those people first and the riots at the convention had a lot to do with it. Then, lots of progressives refused to vote for Humphrey, because he was not good enough and stayed away from the polls.


Tarheel_Dem

(31,234 posts)
60. All the code words have been deployed..."Reagan Democrats", "Turd Way", "Gay hugging Corporatists".
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 03:29 PM
Jul 2014

Believe it or not, that last one was posted here by one the president's most vocal detractors. I couldn't believe what I was reading, and couldn't believe the entire board wasn't offended by it, but it's a new day on the Libertarian "DU".

Number23

(24,544 posts)
63. "Gay hugging Corporatists" Wait.. what???!
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 10:25 PM
Jul 2014


No doubt from one of our staunchly "liberal" lion "allies" that believes that the only issue that matters is class and that Obama/Dems use social issues to "fool" the Dem base into supporting them, right?

Tarheel_Dem

(31,234 posts)
67. His sycophants like to throw that term around. Translation = "I disagree with you".
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 10:56 PM
Jul 2014

It has ceased to have any real meaning anymore, my dear Cha.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
20. Good point
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 02:41 PM
Jul 2014

Seems like a lot of folks read the title and recommend articles without even reading them.

Hekate

(90,690 posts)
24. Kick, Rec, and keep up the good work Cali_Democrat.
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 03:49 PM
Jul 2014

I can't believe the gullibility of some here.

Hekate
*No, my ballot for 2016 is not yet filled in

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
28. K&R
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 04:05 PM
Jul 2014

That's right. We all should know this, but maybe some younger DUers haven't learned how to scrutinize what they read. It really only takes a minute to pick it apart. Remember: you can't believe everything you see or hear. You MUST consider the source first and foremost. And I totally agree about being leery of any article that plays up a division in the Dem Party... especially in the run-up to an election. The Republican opposition research group really doesn't have much to work with. So they just blather out blatant lies, and their base believes it. "Skeptic" is my middle name.

Gothmog

(145,242 posts)
35. I am busy with county party and state party on issues for 2014
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 04:33 PM
Jul 2014

I am not planning on taking my eye off these races and issues. I really do not care what happens in 2016 right now and want to see if we can survive 2014 and help as many people to vote as possible. The Texas voter id law is likely to be in effect for the general election (trial starts Sept 2 but even if we win, the 5th cir. will probably stay any ruling). There is a great deal to be done to help people get ids so that they can vote between now and the November election.

chknltl

(10,558 posts)
53. Went from 152 to 151 recs
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 02:45 AM
Jul 2014

Thank you for the OP.. I come here to learn and golly gee you guys are always there for me.
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