Gun deaths outnumbered motor-vehicle deaths in Oregon & 13 Other States-in 2011, study shows

[kpete]

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Oregon was one of 14 states where gun deaths outpaced motor vehicle deaths in 2011, according to a study by the Violence Policy Center.

Data was compiled from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's National Center for Injury Prevention and Control.

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Gun deaths include suicide by firearm, homicides, and fatal unintentional shootings. Motor vehicle deaths include both vehicle occupants and pedestrians.

The 13 other states where gun deaths exceeded motor vehicle deaths in 2011 were: Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Illinois, Louisiana, Maryland, Michigan, Nevada, Ohio, Utah, Vermont, Virginia and Washington state, as well as the District of Columbia.



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http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2014/07/gun_deaths_outnumbered_motor-v.html

[pipoman]

1. Good news, looks like driving is getting more safe...

However you will excuse my incredulity considering the source. ..

[SheilaT]

2. Wait, that can't be right.

Many of the gun apologists here assure me that gun deaths are going down, so the actual numbers don't really matter.

God, I hate everyone who defends the gun deaths in this country. And I also point out that for everyone who dies from a gun, there are I have no idea how many others who are merely maimed or wounded, and of course they don't count at all, because they're still alive, right? Does it really matter if they're now a paraplegic or a quadriplegic or have had their face blown off by a boyfriend? I guess not.

We don't need guns. Pure and simple.

[IronGate]

3. We don't need guns. Pure and simple?

So I'm assuming that includes the police, military?

And you are aware that the FBI's UCR shows that gun deaths are decreasing along with violent crime, and, 2/3 of those firearms deaths are suicides.

[SheilaT]

4. Oh, gosh.

For an amazingly long time the English police didn't have guns.

And I don't give a flying fuck that gun deaths are decreasing. I sincerely wish that the only ones who died from guns or who had a loved one who died from guns were those who think that, oh golly gun deaths are decreasing so it can't be that bad. Maybe then all those gun apologists would figure it out.

[IronGate]

5. Nice emotional rant.

Irrelevant, but nice.

[Eleanors38]

44. Eho- WEE! People been kicked outta DU for that.

But not during GD's exception to the exception blow outs. Nuclear Unicorn is right: Some people shouldn't have guns.

[pipoman]

16. Did you bother to look at the graphic?

It simply shows vehicle fatalities declining fairly dramatically, no increase in gun deaths.

[ieoeja]

42. Did you? It actually shows roughly a 10% increase in gun deaths.

From ~29,000 to ~32,000 for the time period displayed. And on a fairly consistent trajectory.

[IronGate]

45. Did you notice when the small increase started?

Right around the time of the economy tanking, so it's not a stretch to say that most of that increase is due to suicides.

[ieoeja]

49. 2004? You know, it's not like people reading this are fucking blind. n/t

[IronGate]

50. It was in the middle of 2008 that it started to raise somewhat noticably,

just about the time the economy really started to tank, so it's feasible that the spike was due to suicides.

[ieoeja]

51. The bigger jump was in 2004. But since you must have your reality, I will pretend otherwise.

In which case my response would be:


[font size=5]So fucking what?[/font]

[Eleanors38]

43. Correction: Gun deaths Are going down. nt

[Gormy Cuss]

55. That's not what the graphic says, so a correction requires a link to back it up, doncha think?

Link?

[Eleanors38]

56. Probable slight uptick in suicides, so I stand corrected.

Gun homicides are declining through at least 2010, according to CDC.

[Gormy Cuss]

59. Thanks for clarifying. n/t

[Hoyt]

7. Price we are forced to pay to keep yahoos in gunz.

[PowerToThePeople]

8. Guns, legal weapons of terror used by terrorists to terrorize the peaceful

citizens of this country.

They need to be banned and destroyed.

[IronGate]

9. Read and weep.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/165563/remains-divided-passing-stricter-gun-laws.aspx

[PowerToThePeople]

10. You trolling me bro?

[IronGate]

11. Nope,

just pointing out the folly of your statements.

[PowerToThePeople]

12. No, you are trolling

your link has nothing to do with my opinion that I posted in this thread.

You are trolling, and I will start alerting.

[IronGate]

13. Alert away.

And if you had even bothered to read the link, you would know that it has everything to do with your opinion.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/165563/remains-divided-passing-stricter-gun-laws.aspx

[PowerToThePeople]

14. Regardless

You have just hit my ignore list.

buh bye.

[IronGate]

15. Oh my,

Whatever will I do now?

[BainsBane]

17. It's gonna be tough for you

because not many people make the claim that guns will be banned.

[IronGate]

18. I don't know where you get the idea it'll be tough for me,

I'm very well aware that most don't go that extreme route of wanting firearms banned, but many do want draconian restrictions, which would be pretty much the same thing.

[BainsBane]

19. I guess if you're looking for excuses to feed paranoia about the guys in black helicopters

coming for your guns, you can worry about what this or that random person says on the internet. But I think we both know none of that means a thing. The fact is the NRA so controls the politicians that we can't even keep guns out of the hands of stalkers and batterers.

[IronGate]

21. Paranoid?

Nope, not in the least.
I'm not worried in the least about black helos, govt. agents, etc, coming for my firearms, what some random idiot says on the net.

You're correct in that we both know that banning firearms is a fantasy of the few which will never happen.

[BainsBane]

23. I'm not saying you are paranoid

I'm saying that some pro-gun folk are, while others like to use random comments by guys like that as an excuse to oppose all gun control. Ultimately, such comments have no effect on actual gun control proposals.

[IronGate]

25. I can agree with that,

and there are some anti gun people that are just as paranoid.

[BainsBane]

29. How so?

Unrealistic, like the guy who put you on ignore--that I can see. But paranoid? I'm not sure how paranoia plays into a situation where 32,000 people are killed every year.

[IronGate]

31. Those deaths are tragic, but, while not discounting these deaths, 2/3 are suicides,

which might have been prevented with a better mental health system.

I've seen plenty of comments about being afraid of stepping outside for fear of being shot, being afraid of going to states with lax firearms law, that sort of paranoia.

[BainsBane]

33. I see

Well I live in a neighborhood with a significant level of gun violence and I have bullet holes in my car to show for it. I'm not afraid to step outside except if shots are being fired. Then I would be an idiot to do so.

Guns have a 95% lethality rate for suicide. They make it very easy. They are extremely efficient at killing, which is of course is what they are designed to do.

[IronGate]

36. Sorry to hear about your car.

Sounds like you live in a dangerous neighborhood, perhaps a move to a safer neighborhood if you can afford it?

[BainsBane]

37. I'm working on it.

[IronGate]

38. In the meantime,

stay safe.

There are a number of things that can be done to help reduce the gun violence, things like Universal background checks, beefing up the ATF to actually go after those straw purchasers, harsher penalties for those that commit crimes using a firearm, mandatory safety course for purchase of a firearm, much like a hunter safety course, better mental health system, end the war on drugs, more jobs, more jobs, more jobs.

Just a few proposals.

[BainsBane]

40. I'm for all of that

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In fact I tried to get the gungeon to support a background check bill. Suddenly all the claims that they supported all gun controls except for bans of assault weapons evaporated. They wouldn't support it unless I promised to personally silence all speech proposing further gun control (like I have that power). It was clear to me they had been acting in bad faith all long. Some even admitted to enjoying poking at me and causing me distress. I no longer deal with any of them, save a very few who proved themselves to be on the level.

[IronGate]

41. I'm sorry that you had to go through that,

I didn't see it as it was before my time here.

[hack89]

27. There are plenty on DU

look at post 8 for starters. I understand that support for gun control on DU does not reflect America as a whole but there is a sizable minority here that support a total ban. Many others say they do not support total bans but looking closely at what they say, it is clear they want to ban the most popular and common weapons in America so the difference is not significant.

[etherealtruth]

62. It is definite cause for weeping

The proliferation of guns and violence in this country is worthy of weeping.

Your responses in this thread indicate quite an attachment to guns ... not so much the attachment to reducing gun violence ... that too is worthy of weeping.

[hack89]

24. Oregon has a suicide problem

their suicide rate is six times their murder rate. How about we spend our time and money on decent healthcare - lets solve the real problems.

[PowerToThePeople]

26. I see nothing wrong with that

http://www.suicidemethods.net/suicide-methods/

http://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/statistics-most-lethal-methods

http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/86/9/0042-9686_86_07-043489-table-T1.html

I believe that banning all guns would improve on the problem you brought up as well.

[hack89]

28. Can we step back into reality now?

there will never be a total gun ban in America.

[PowerToThePeople]

30. An example from history

the year is 1860

Some ignorant deuchebag says to some enlightened person that claims slavery should be abolished, "Can we step back into reality now? There will never be a total slave ban in America."

[hack89]

32. There is a fundamental difference

Slavery denied people basic rights. That is why it was evil and that is why it was abolished.

The abolition of slavery expanded civil rights - abolishing guns will restrict civil rights. The trend in America is more rights, not fewer.

[PowerToThePeople]

35. Guns deny people basic rights

The right to life is the first right. Guns deny that right to 10s of thousands of citizens every year.

In 2009, according to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, 67% of all homicides in the U.S. were conducted using a firearm.[4] Two-thirds of all gun-related deaths in the U.S. are suicides. In 2010, there were 19,392 firearm-related suicides, and 11,078 firearm-related homicides in the U.S.[5] In 2010, 358 murders were reported involving a rifle while 6,009 were reported involving a handgun; another 1,939 were reported with an unspecified type of firearm.[6] High-profile assassinations such as those of John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King, and the Beltway sniper attacks involved the use of rifles, usually with telescopic sights, from concealed locations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States

[hack89]

39. There are many things that kill many people in America

guns are not even in the top 10.

[Eleanors38]

47. First stop for Stono Rebels: Gun store.

[hughee99]

53. Can a gun deny someone's right to life, or is it the person holding the gun that does it?

Is a suicide victim (67 % of all gun victims according to your post) violating their own rights? Can a person violate their own constitutional rights?

[IronGate]

34. And yet there's this.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/165563/remains-divided-passing-stricter-gun-laws.aspx

Americans Broadly Oppose Banning Handguns

The new poll also finds public opposition to banning handgun ownership holding at a record-high 74%, identical to a year ago. One in four Americans think the law should limit possession to police and other authorized persons.

Recent attitudes on this are markedly different from the 1980s, when barely half of Americans opposed a ban on civilian handgun ownership. It is also a major turnaround from a half century ago, when only 36% opposed such a ban. Opposition to banning citizens' possession of handguns mounted in the 1990s and 2000s, and first crossed the 70% threshold in 2009.

[lonestarnot]

20. Disturbing.

[hack89]

22. Oregon has a very high suicide rate and a very low murder rate

For years, Oregon has ranked between seventh and ninth in the country for suicides. In 2011, 685 Oregonians killed themselves, twice the number who died in vehicle crashes and six times the homicide rate. In 2012, the number climbed to 709 people who took their own lives, according to preliminary numbers. Oregon's suicide rate has been increasing since 2000.

http://www.oregonlive.com/living/index.ssf/2013/05/why_oregons_suicide_rate_is_am.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state

[dilby]

46. It's the lack of sunshine and all the bridges.

Portland is probably one of the easiest places to kill yourself due to all our bridges, most people just jump off the bridges into the water here but then you have the Vista Bridge which is a gruesome way to go because you just splat onto the max tracks or traffic.

[Eleanors38]

48. kpete, how is this related to children as per (hidden) TOS?

[kpete]

54. huh?

[Eleanors38]

57. It's a gun post in GD. There is an official exception...

usually violated daily under an unwritten rule that the gun post must relate to children. I don't see that.

[Warren Stupidity]

58. our gunz enthusiasts hates having this discussion out in the open.

[Eleanors38]

60. Would you support pro-2A OPs in GD?

[Initech]

52. Yet you'll never see gun safety checkpoints the way you see DUI checkpoints.

And you'll never see police state commercials telling you to put your gun away or get arrested the way you see those "click it or ticket" commercials.

[Eleanors38]

61. How would a "gun safety checkpoint" work?

[hack89]

63. Stop and frisk

What could possibly go wrong.