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Just days before its international debut at an airshow in the United Kingdom, the entire fleet of the Pentagons next generation fighter plane known as the F-35 II Lightning, or the Joint Strike Fighter has been grounded, highlighting just what a boondoggle the project has been. With the vast amounts spent so far on the aircraft, the United States could have worked wonders, including providing every homeless person in the U.S. a $600,000 home.
Its hard to argue against the need to modernize aircraft used to defend the country and counter enemies overseas, especially if youre a politician. But the Joint Strike Fighter program has been a mess almost since its inception, with massive cost overruns leading to its current acquisition price-tag of $398.6 billion an increase of $7.4 billion since last year. That breaks down to costing about $49 billion per year since work began in 2006 and the project is seven years behind schedule. Over its life-cycle, estimated at about 55 years, operating and maintaining the F-35 fleet will cost the U.S. a little over $1 trillion. By contrast, the entirety of the Manhattan Project which created the nuclear bomb from scratch cost about $55 billion in todays dollars.
http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/07/09/3458101/f35-boondoggle-fail/
msongs
(67,440 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)No one can be held accountable. What a system.
Anyway, to lie to you, I will say I am happy to trade my mansion for something like this. Why? Because when I die my mansion could actually house some immigrants. Instead, this plane can be used to make sure immigrants stay way long after I am dead.
conservaphobe
(1,284 posts)Initech
(100,100 posts)We seriously have no money to spend on fixing our infrastructure (which very badly needs to be done) but we have plenty of money to spend on unnecessary toys for the military industrial complex to play with. If that's not the definition of bullshit I don't know what is.
uriel1972
(4,261 posts)...Thinks it's so good they just laid down another 12 Billion, yes Billion dollars on them. Funny thing is they are cutting pensions etc. and telling us we all have to share the pain, because times are sooooo hard.
merrily
(45,251 posts)progressoid
(49,998 posts)littlemissmartypants
(22,796 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Good post. Thanks.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)It is hard to argue against the need to modernize except when there is no need to modernize. F15, F16 and FA18's can all be upgraded, airframes & engines replaced and serve us very well for years to come. Certainly many are worn out, but they can be replaced with far lower development costs. A10's are singularly superb at what they do, but as I understand are being phased out.
The question comes, before we decide upon an aircraft, we have to decide upon who we are going to need to fight and frankly I don't believe that anyone can best our current generation of aircraft.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)aircraft that may need a few tweaks here and there, but should be serving this country in the role for which it was designed for years to come. There is no need to phase it out or replace it, beyond replacing worn out airframes.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)That total includes new requests to support European security over the short term and a new counter-terrorism fund that Obama says is necessary to help combat terrorists across the Middle East and Africa.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/barack-obama-afghanistan-war-108364.html#ixzz373MwcFFd
America's $1 Trillion National Security Budget
http://www.pogo.org/our-work/straus-military-reform-project/defense-budget/2014/americas-one-trillion-national-security-budget.html
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2015/assets/28_1.pdf
Scuba
(53,475 posts)... just what is it the defense budget is defending?
Amonester
(11,541 posts)And it's obligatory GRowth(TM).
IronLionZion
(45,526 posts)they are harder to control. Its easier to keep them sick, ignorant, and fearful, then they'll believe it when you blame someone else for ruining their lives.
xchrom
(108,903 posts)Mr Dixon
(1,185 posts)It still amazes me that people still think the Homeless, children and middle class should be a top priority. When in history has this ever been the case? The DOD budget is high because of Fear Mongering and the fat cat lining their pockets Pretty simple IMO.
Gumboot
(531 posts)Nor will there ever be.
The way so many of these 'defense' projects are handled is an absolute disgrace. Any private business operating like this would be out of business. But when there's an endless tsunami of taxpayer dollars greasing the wheels, efficiency and accountability go straight out o' the window.
I'd send in Alan Grayson and an auditing team ASAP.
tjl148
(185 posts)locks
(2,012 posts)much of this military equipment we've been so proud of is now being used against our and our allies' forces and civilians (when they work).
progressoid
(49,998 posts)A HERETIC I AM
(24,376 posts)IDemo
(16,926 posts)He pretty well deflates the lead balloon that is the F-35.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)The cronies know their PRIORITIES.
Weapons and planes that doesn't work: fine!
A home to a homeless veteran: Socialist handout against the "American Values"....
SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)He's got a whole book of dumb shit we spent billions on that never worked...
The story that stuck out for me was when the war in Iraq started, there was some concern in the Navy about "desert warfare". Not wanting to be left out of the "fun" the Navy spent some 10's of millions of dollars trying to figure out how to fire Marines out of torpedo tubes, you know so the Navy could be "involved".
This kind of shit really irks me. This is where my money is going? Right, guys are dying waiting to get an appointment to the VA but we have a shitload of Jets that can't fly! And Hundreds of tanks that the army didn't even want!
Something needs to change.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)every homeless person a $600,000 home? It would make much more sense to buy them affirdqble homes, get them healthcare, and job opportunities.
IDemo
(16,926 posts)I like to think that if saner people were in charge, the things you suggest would be taken care of.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)comparisons such as this one.I hate the most the old "if you took _________ and put them end to end they would ________."
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Sorry didn't see this I'll delete my duplicate.
dhill926
(16,355 posts)is a real scandal.
Blue Owl
(50,493 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)shut down the army, completely other than skeletal crews to maintain existing equipment, same thing for air force
maintain minimal Marines and Navy...never going to use them anyway assuming we never elect another idiot repub president
Now, the billions we dont spend on that, and the jobs lost, all are made up spending money on infrastructure
Turbineguy
(37,365 posts)If we destroy ourselves it saves others the trouble of attacking us.
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)It was big news when the SOAR project received a grant of 1 millions dollars to help the underserved and underemployed people of Eastern Kentucky. I followed up with a post wondering about how many people could be helped at the price of just one fighter jet.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1272326
My god, this country has some really screwed up priorities. Sick, sick, sick in the pit of my stomach.
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)but dontcha know the only way to truly, really ENJOY living in a mansion is to have earned it yourself !!! Such as by inheriting it from rich relatives, or from sending income overseas so it can't be taxed, or by screwing fellow Americans with cheap or dangerous products to reap a huge profit. Now THAT is the only way to earn and enjoy a mansion. By EARNING it the right way.
<chortle>
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)unfortunately.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Overseas
(12,121 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)IronLionZion
(45,526 posts)Food, shelter, medicine, and education don't help much when you're dead, does it?
There's always money to kill people even if it means trillions in debt, but never enough to help people even if it will boost our economy through consumer demand.