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PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 05:22 PM Jul 2014

Chelsea Clinton Follows Parents’ Lead as a Paid Speaker

There is a new Clinton paid to deliver speeches — Chelsea, the former first daughter — and she is commanding as much as $75,000 per appearance.

Aides stressed that while Bill and Hillary Rodham Clinton often address trade groups and Wall Street bankers, Ms. Clinton, now 34, focuses on organizations whose goals are in line with the work of the family’s philanthropic organization, the Bill, Hillary & Chelsea Clinton Foundation. Organizers said her star power helped sell tickets and raise money.

And unlike her parents’ talks, Ms. Clinton’s speeches “are on behalf of the Clinton Foundation, and 100 percent of the fees are remitted directly to the foundation,” said her spokesman, Kamyl Bazbaz, adding that “the majority of Chelsea’s speeches are unpaid.” The Harry Walker Agency, the firm that represents her parents’ engagements, handles Ms. Clinton’s talks on behalf of the family foundation.

Read the rest at: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/10/us/politics/chelsea-clinton-follows-parents-lead-as-a-paid-speaker.html?_r=0

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Chelsea Clinton Follows Parents’ Lead as a Paid Speaker (Original Post) PoliticAverse Jul 2014 OP
I wish I could get paid to talk. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #1
I'd settle for getting paid not to talk... n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2014 #3
lol. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #4
Seriously, $75,000 a pop! Geeez! Good thing Chelsea doesn't care about money; God only knows how much she would be charging then. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2014 #65
She's donating it to the foundation. Should she care about the charitable foundation's money? pnwmom Jul 2014 #153
omg YES! All that dirty corporate cash the Foundation collects obiousvly in xchange 4 political favors? ABSOLUTELY! We should all care bout that money. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2014 #156
"Its hard work" - Dubyuh Mika Jul 2014 #2
Oh really, guess you never heard that Bill and Hillary both donate speech earnings to the CGI. Thinkingabout Jul 2014 #5
One thing's for sure. lpbk2713 Jul 2014 #6
Apparently Coulter gets in the neighborhood of $25-30k for her appearances. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2014 #10
I'd pay to have her not talk!!!!!!!!!!! Marrah_G Jul 2014 #16
Hahaha, good one! Me too! Just the sound of Coulter's voice is grating enough. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2014 #67
so what? bigtree Jul 2014 #7
The whole family's an inspiration for overcoming poverty leftstreet Jul 2014 #8
inspiring, attacking Hillary's daughter bigtree Jul 2014 #11
I'm serious. Hillary said they were dead broke when left WH leftstreet Jul 2014 #12
sounds snarky and as disingenuous as this thread bigtree Jul 2014 #19
You remember the VRWC, the impeachment, Ken Starr? Million$ and million$ in legal fee$.... Hekate Jul 2014 #104
And millions in book deals, speaking engagements, corporate board memberships, etc... Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #126
"Sympathetic"? So did they deserve the mangling they got for trying to serve the country? Hekate Jul 2014 #130
Which one would be making $75,000 for a speech? Stellar Jul 2014 #132
This message was self-deleted by its author mylye2222 Jul 2014 #9
Just asking, but what Democrat do you prefer? Kingofalldems Jul 2014 #13
Elizabeth Warren would be my choice. for 2016 mylye2222 Jul 2014 #17
why does this private citizen merit such an attack? bigtree Jul 2014 #18
I do believe she is wrong, mylye2222 Jul 2014 #21
ridiculous bigtree Jul 2014 #22
No. She's a public figure who campaigned for Hillary. DirkGently Jul 2014 #59
what does that have to do with the money she's earned? bigtree Jul 2014 #62
That's your beef. But she's a public figure. DirkGently Jul 2014 #64
she is a private citizen bigtree Jul 2014 #71
Yes. She's a public figure, as I said. DirkGently Jul 2014 #74
she's a private citizen. bigtree Jul 2014 #76
Er? You don't hop in and out of being a public figure. DirkGently Jul 2014 #80
I'm not suprised that, as a Clinton critic, that you view her as a one dimensional figure bigtree Jul 2014 #84
She's a public figure, bt. It's not a partisan question. DirkGently Jul 2014 #90
hey, the article's about Chelsea. YOU interjected Hillary into this. Not me. bigtree Jul 2014 #96
Independent individuals are public figures too, bt. DirkGently Jul 2014 #100
Hatred Renew Deal Jul 2014 #115
And what is your opinion? BootinUp Jul 2014 #14
must be nice Marrah_G Jul 2014 #15
A pittance to learn about her vast experiences and life lessons. nt Dreamer Tatum Jul 2014 #20
let's see bigtree Jul 2014 #23
Among probably thousands of equally experienced and talented women. Dreamer Tatum Jul 2014 #25
that's a description of most successful people bigtree Jul 2014 #26
Again, why her and not someone similar? Dreamer Tatum Jul 2014 #31
well, I'm just not concerned about 'why her' bigtree Jul 2014 #32
Um, to her bank account. Dreamer Tatum Jul 2014 #37
read the article that you're riffing off of bigtree Jul 2014 #40
Oh sorry - she can do things like that since she's married to a bankster. nt Dreamer Tatum Jul 2014 #41
... nolabear Jul 2014 #45
OH, WAIIIIIIT. DUH! She's a DEMOCRAT! My mistake. He's an Investment Banker, not a bankster. Dreamer Tatum Jul 2014 #47
that's certainly a plus. More power to her. She's advocating for some pretty important issues. bigtree Jul 2014 #53
Glad you hold the investment banking community in such high regard. nt Dreamer Tatum Jul 2014 #55
this is what I hold in high regard bigtree Jul 2014 #58
I hold all those in high regard, along with economic equality joeglow3 Jul 2014 #111
I hold moving the goalposts in high regard too... LanternWaste Jul 2014 #109
You realize that what you just did here is called "Moving the Goalposts" right? nt stevenleser Jul 2014 #60
She's had a lot of experiences treestar Jul 2014 #79
I have nothing against Chelsea, and wish her the best. Maedhros Jul 2014 #29
This is true, and why we are a generational oligarchy PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #30
the name recognition is certainly a plus bigtree Jul 2014 #34
Let this be a lesson - "choose your parents wisely"... n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2014 #51
Let this be a lesson: Don't be a class traitor if you have lotsa bucks, like FDR or JFK or Nelson... Hekate Jul 2014 #135
Much as our own wages come across as elitism to Sub-Saharan subsistence farmers... LanternWaste Jul 2014 #108
Would love to see her in Detroit helping those families find water to wash with and drink. KoKo Jul 2014 #66
You have absolutely NO idea of what the Clintons have chosen to concern themselves with bigtree Jul 2014 #73
+100000000 woo me with science Jul 2014 #133
Attacking people for supplying what's in demand is disgusting. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #24
... Phlem Jul 2014 #56
Is she a salaried employee of the Clinton Foundation? tularetom Jul 2014 #27
"Mr. Bazbaz said Ms. Clinton was not paid for her role as the organization’s vice chairwoman." n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2014 #36
It's all in LLC's, 501-C's and other finacial boondoogling the Clever, Highly Paid KoKo Jul 2014 #70
Uhmm MMMMM MMM MMM CBGLuthier Jul 2014 #28
how quaint bigtree Jul 2014 #35
Would you pay someone $75,000 for a speech if it helped your organization to raise $2.1 million? PoliticAverse Jul 2014 #48
Damn her for being a strong, well educated, interesting woman that people want to hear!...nt SidDithers Jul 2014 #33
I guess 75K is a bargain, since according to you hagiographers she'll soon get her first Nobel. Dreamer Tatum Jul 2014 #38
I'd be most interested in comparing her public service work to your own bigtree Jul 2014 #42
I don't get $75K, though. She does. Why? Dreamer Tatum Jul 2014 #44
... nolabear Jul 2014 #46
Maybe she has experiences that many others don't... SidDithers Jul 2014 #52
You don't deserve $75K. She does. Why? Renew Deal Jul 2014 #120
She deserves more than most people make in a year? Dreamer Tatum Jul 2014 #122
She also doesn't care about money joeglow3 Jul 2014 #112
Bitter much?... SidDithers Jul 2014 #49
Yup. Bit him, too. nt Dreamer Tatum Jul 2014 #50
Bitter and jealous like a Cha Jul 2014 #88
Yeah, this is a market thing treestar Jul 2014 #69
Soory guys, I went to harsh on Chealsy in my first comment mylye2222 Jul 2014 #39
The speaking engagement fees go to the Clinton Foundation which supports these kinds of issues.. Cha Jul 2014 #89
I guess its a good thing Socks is dead. Starry Messenger Jul 2014 #43
Nah, but Socks would be on Sunday LOL Cats. n/t amandabeech Jul 2014 #94
I could do that too cerveza_gratis Jul 2014 #54
Someone like Chelsea brings a lot of attention and $$$ to orgs. Whatever fee she gets is a pittance Metric System Jul 2014 #57
... and the relevance of this is? etherealtruth Jul 2014 #61
Nepotism is cool under the right circumstances. Throd Jul 2014 #63
Nothing against her treestar Jul 2014 #68
it just takes a little research to answer that bigtree Jul 2014 #75
I read your thread treestar Jul 2014 #78
I wish someone would pay the Clinton family to go away (nt) bigwillq Jul 2014 #72
I'll contribute $5.00 to kick off the fund. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2014 #155
Great! Thanks you! bigwillq Jul 2014 #157
You Chelsea bashers need to get a job. LuvLoogie Jul 2014 #77
I see it as more contempt for a structure that creates this. Throd Jul 2014 #81
What? Contempt for a Rhodes scholar, former governor, two-term President, LuvLoogie Jul 2014 #85
Contempt for dynasties and buying political influence from the well-connected. Throd Jul 2014 #86
Bravo HangOnKids Jul 2014 #95
well, the money goes into the Clinton's charitable foundation bigtree Jul 2014 #97
In a just society there would be no need for "charitable efforts" PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #146
+10000 Instead, we get Clinton ownership of first NAFTA and now the bloody TPP. woo me with science Jul 2014 #151
A just society includes charitable efforts. LuvLoogie Jul 2014 #152
Oh Gawd. The only hot mess around here LuvLoogie Jul 2014 #99
What about the Chelsea worshipers? joeglow3 Jul 2014 #113
Who's worshiping her? She's a decent and intelligent person LuvLoogie Jul 2014 #136
Do you feel the same about the bush daughters? joeglow3 Jul 2014 #137
When have I bashed the Bush daughters? LuvLoogie Jul 2014 #138
I asked you a question joeglow3 Jul 2014 #140
I don't feel anything about the Bush daughters. LuvLoogie Jul 2014 #142
That we have created a culture where a select few families rule the nation joeglow3 Jul 2014 #143
The Clintons don't rule; Barack Obama doesn't rule. LuvLoogie Jul 2014 #144
Wow, that went way over your head joeglow3 Jul 2014 #147
Your words: LuvLoogie Jul 2014 #148
You are easily offended. joeglow3 Jul 2014 #149
Your statement is misogynistic. LuvLoogie Jul 2014 #150
They need more than jobs Renew Deal Jul 2014 #118
And one of these... LuvLoogie Jul 2014 #139
My parents aren't rich and famous enough to get me that sort of job. Orsino Jul 2014 #145
As a private citizen, Chelsea can earn money by any legal means she wants. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #82
They're grooming a future trojan donkey, that's all. Marr Jul 2014 #83
Wow! The demand for children of Presidential politicians joe_sixpack Jul 2014 #87
She's worth it. Check out her no-holds-barred Geico lizard interview. Brilliant. whereisjustice Jul 2014 #91
Bill and Hillary net worth $101.5m. Chelsea worth $15m LittleBlue Jul 2014 #92
Good for her. Its an honest living. aikoaiko Jul 2014 #93
good for her. spanone Jul 2014 #98
What the hell is she going to talk to about? trublu992 Jul 2014 #101
this bigtree Jul 2014 #102
+1 Hekate Jul 2014 #105
This is informative, although it reads like a planted puff piece. trublu992 Jul 2014 #107
I tried to only include things that had substance. Obviously I chose things that were favorable bigtree Jul 2014 #110
Yes, she's a woman. What does she know? Renew Deal Jul 2014 #116
That's funny because I'm a woman trublu992 Jul 2014 #125
So a speech from any of them is a donation to causes they support. Got that. Boyoboy how evil. Hekate Jul 2014 #103
Her hubbies a hedge-funder ... GeorgeGist Jul 2014 #106
How do you know if she needs money or not? Renew Deal Jul 2014 #117
Tells you everything you need to know about Chelsea. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2014 #128
How dare she? Renew Deal Jul 2014 #114
Clinton, Clinton, and Clinton Inc. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #119
I like Chelsea hamsterjill Jul 2014 #121
The howlers excoriate the shit out of people like Greenwald for making any money at all whatchamacallit Jul 2014 #123
+1 laundry_queen Jul 2014 #127
+10000000000000 woo me with science Jul 2014 #134
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2014 #124
I like the Clintons, but... Mike Nelson Jul 2014 #129
agreed. Liberal_in_LA Jul 2014 #131
What's wrong with her continuing her work for the foundation? That's where her fees are going. pnwmom Jul 2014 #154
Yeesh MFrohike Jul 2014 #141

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
65. Seriously, $75,000 a pop! Geeez! Good thing Chelsea doesn't care about money; God only knows how much she would be charging then.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 09:33 PM
Jul 2014

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
156. omg YES! All that dirty corporate cash the Foundation collects obiousvly in xchange 4 political favors? ABSOLUTELY! We should all care bout that money.
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 01:02 PM
Jul 2014

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
5. Oh really, guess you never heard that Bill and Hillary both donate speech earnings to the CGI.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 05:26 PM
Jul 2014

Who here would turn down good money for making speeches? Doubtful but to really bash the Clinton's or other people for getting paid for their speeches sounds a lot like the RW bashers from FOX.

lpbk2713

(42,757 posts)
6. One thing's for sure.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 05:32 PM
Jul 2014



Unlike Coultergeist she won't have to say anything hateful
or controversial in order to promote her speaking gigs.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
7. so what?
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 05:38 PM
Jul 2014

Last edited Wed Jul 9, 2014, 08:19 PM - Edit history (1)

. . . she's a private citizen.

I see where you've mentioned the fees are donated to the foundation she's a part of.

(deleted snarky comments)

leftstreet

(36,108 posts)
12. I'm serious. Hillary said they were dead broke when left WH
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 05:50 PM
Jul 2014

They could barely pay for Chelsea's education

I think they're an inspiration

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
19. sounds snarky and as disingenuous as this thread
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 05:57 PM
Jul 2014

. . . my apologies if I mistakenly mistook your comment as snark.

Hekate

(90,690 posts)
104. You remember the VRWC, the impeachment, Ken Starr? Million$ and million$ in legal fee$....
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 03:10 AM
Jul 2014

... that the CLINTONS had to pay. Not Uncle Sam. Not you and me. The Clintons.

Hillary might have put it "inartfully" as the current euphemism is -- but she did not lie.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
126. And millions in book deals, speaking engagements, corporate board memberships, etc...
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 05:49 PM
Jul 2014

100% guaranteed on leaving office. Forgive me if I find it hard to be sympathetic.

Hekate

(90,690 posts)
130. "Sympathetic"? So did they deserve the mangling they got for trying to serve the country?
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 06:58 PM
Jul 2014

Oh by the way: Still have not filled in my ballot for 2016.

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
132. Which one would be making $75,000 for a speech?
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 08:40 PM
Jul 2014

Sasha Obama 13yrs old or Malia Obama 16 yrs old. Chelsea is a grown, married woman of 34yrs old. It's her life to do what ever it is that she chose. Bill and Hillary are no longer responsible for her, she's her own woman.

Response to PoliticAverse (Original post)

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
18. why does this private citizen merit such an attack?
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 05:55 PM
Jul 2014

. . .her speaking engagements have nothing to do with any campaign.

If you think there's something substantive to criticize Chelsey or the Clinton Foundation about then come out and say it. Don't just hide behind Hillary-hate.

Isn't that opposition supposed to be about politics? On what grounds do you justify criticizing this private citizen? I'm not just making a rhetorical statement here, I really want an answer. What, specifically, do you believe she's done wrong here?

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
21. I do believe she is wrong,
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 06:03 PM
Jul 2014

because yes, it shows an image of her as a money grabbing, wich I really dont think she need to make a living, and secondly, it will not enlight her family , and her mom, as a connected-to- people ones

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
22. ridiculous
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 06:07 PM
Jul 2014

. . . just garbled nonsense from you - not even worth responding to. Just forget it, go on with your reckless attack on this private citizen. It defines you more than it does Chelsea.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
59. No. She's a public figure who campaigned for Hillary.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 08:38 PM
Jul 2014

Not concerned with her speaking gigs, but Chelsea has emphatically entered the public sphere of her own accord. As I recall, she savaged a college student who asked her about the Lewinsky affair in one outing. David Shuster was suspended by MSNBC for crudely accusing Hillary of "pimping her out." But she was a part of the campaign.

Carry on.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
62. what does that have to do with the money she's earned?
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 09:01 PM
Jul 2014

. . . she's not a public official and she's not speaking at these events in question as part of any campaign. I campaigned for Hillary. Is my income also in question?

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
64. That's your beef. But she's a public figure.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 09:14 PM
Jul 2014

You pounded three times in a single post that Chelsea is a "private citizen." She is not, and moreover, she wouldn't be commanding a nickel for speaking but for her membership in a prominent political family, in whose politics she plays a an active and public role.

I don't care about her speaking gigs. But there is no analogy to Obama's minor, politically inactive children. She is a member of the Clinton political dynasty and speaks as part of it.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
71. she is a private citizen
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 09:49 PM
Jul 2014

. . . and it's your own 'beef' claiming she's just a tool of whatever political ambitions her parent's chose to engage in.

In your view, she can never be seen as an independent woman and that's just an amazingly biased opinion. I'll give this woman more credit for her individuality and independence than you've managed here; same as I would anyone.

You can put her in your little political box all you want; devalue her as you please; but her life experience makes a lie out of all of that bias of yours. She certainly doesn't need your validation to regard herself as an independent individual acting on her own accord, and she doesn't need mine.

It's false to claim that outside of her efforts in her mother's past campaign, that she's been 'speaking for the Clinton dynasty.' She's advocated for much more than her parent's legacy. I really don't expect you to take the time to understand that- to consider any of the efforts that I've taken the time to outline above - so I'll leave you to your biased, fact-free opinion.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
74. Yes. She's a public figure, as I said.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 09:57 PM
Jul 2014

The rest of your post is way off in the weeds somewhere. Chelsea is famous, and a public speaker, because she is a member of the Clinton family. As I also said, I am not part of your current battle over whether there is something to criticize in her being paid whatever fee to speak publicly, but it's pretty silly to suggest she is somehow just a "private citizen," when the only reason she would even be a public speaker, or a topic of discussion, is her public, political life with her public, political family.

Therefore, whatever her other personal qualities, Chelsea Clinton can and will be scrutinized like anyone else engaged in a public, political life.

Your attempts to analogize a grown woman who campaigns for Hillary Clinton to Obama's minor children, to imply she should be immune to comment, are completely unsupportable.

Sorry if that bothers you, but it is true.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
76. she's a private citizen.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 09:59 PM
Jul 2014

She's no longer part of the 2008 campaign.

I won't be surprised to see you bashing Obama's adult daughters in the future. That's right in line with your efforts here.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
80. Er? You don't hop in and out of being a public figure.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 10:07 PM
Jul 2014

Chelsea Clinton has decided to participate in her family's political life. That is okay. That is not "bashing" her. But it is the only reason her speaking engagements are being reported or discussed. It is the only reason she would be paid anything to BE a public speaker.

Everyone understands that.

It's very strange to attempt argue that someone who is only famous for their public political connections, who is making public speeches and working for her political family should be considered "a private person" such that it is some kind of travesty to even discuss it.

You can't have it both ways.

C'mon.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
84. I'm not suprised that, as a Clinton critic, that you view her as a one dimensional figure
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 10:23 PM
Jul 2014

. . .as just another tool of her parent's political ambitions. Her life experiences speak to much more than that. I really don't expect you to realize that or acknowledge that. You're much too enmeshed in some political opposition to the Clintons. Sadly, to you, her very vital and life altering efforts outside of that 2008 campaign are just abstractions in your political play.

I think her family connection has helped her in her advocacy for women’s rights, AIDS research and global LGBT rights and other humanitarianism. You don't just 'hop in and out of' the things you believe in and advocate and fight for.

It's fairly typical for folks to put campaigns aside in favor of a focus on real life concerns when the elections are over. Calling her a public figure, and denying her right to be viewed as a private citizen because of her involvement in that campaign or because of her family association is an amazing devaluation of her as an individual; as an independent woman. Fortunately, you're not the ultimate judge of that.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
90. She's a public figure, bt. It's not a partisan question.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 10:56 PM
Jul 2014

It's not a "Hillary, yay or boo?" question, although I see that's what you think is paramount here.

So, for purposes of discussion, Hillary Clinton was a fine Secretary of State who may or may not have immediate further political ambitions. Fair?

But to think anyone can characterize Chelsea's public life, as a public speaker, for the foundation whose impetus grew directly out of the Clinton Presidency, as being a "private citizen," would require a person to be, respectfully, out of their tree.


Organizers said her star power helped sell tickets and raise money.


People with "star power" are not, NOT public figures.





bigtree

(85,996 posts)
96. hey, the article's about Chelsea. YOU interjected Hillary into this. Not me.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 11:45 PM
Jul 2014

The article conflated them, not me.

Chelsea is a private citizen. That's the least consideration she should expect from the public, I think.

I don't think you know enough about the Clinton Foundation to make a judgment. Perhaps a focus on just Chelsea and her contributions to that foundation, and also, the work they do, would allow you to view Chelsea as an independent individual. I really can't fathom how anyone can't afford her that understanding; that essential understanding of this woman as human and as complex as anyone else. That doesn't change just because she has 'Clinton' as part of her name.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
100. Independent individuals are public figures too, bt.
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 12:30 AM
Jul 2014

I'm not sure why you find that so confounding. Chelsea's status as a nationally recognized public figure derives from the Clinton family's political profile.

Everyone is aware of this. Chelsea. The Clintons. Your more attentive potted plants. Everybody.

That unassailable, universal fact does not diminish her whatsoever as a person, if you are actually reaching for that, which I hope and assume you aren't, because that would be really weird?

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
23. let's see
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 06:27 PM
Jul 2014

She is an advocate for women’s rights, AIDS research and global LGBT rights and other humanitarianism.

In her junior year, Clinton changed her major from medicine to history and began work on her thesis project: the Northern Ireland peace process. After delivering her 167-page thesis, Clinton headed to Oxford University in England to pursue a master's degree in International Relations.

In addition to serving as co-chairperson for her father's Clinton Foundation, the former first daughter is also on the board of the School of American Ballet.


In 2011, Chelsea pushed the Clinton Health Access Initiative, which had historically focused on driving down the prices of HIV and AIDS vaccines, to do the same for Zinc/ORS, the leading treatment for diarrhea, which is the second-leading killer of children under 5 years old in the developing world. One of the first countries it targeted was Nigeria, but negotiating with the government, NGOs, public-sector organizations, pharma companies, and others threatened to endlessly delay the effort. According to Guariglia, the team asked Chelsea if she "could facilitate it--get the right players at the table, get them to commit to this program." After a couple of weeks of intense preparation, Chelsea traveled to Nigeria and "went around to every partner, knew exactly what we needed from them, pledged her support and belief in this program, and got them to commit," says Guariglia. Her academic work (she's finishing her PhD in global health governance) armed her with the ability to talk about the issues, and she was able to get each player to understand how their role was important in the bigger picture. "Without her, it would have taken months of meetings," says Guariglia. Prices of Zinc/ORS have been cut by 40% to 60% in Kenya, Nigeria, and Uganda.

In 2013 President Clinton and his daughter traveled through Tanzania, Rwanda, Zambia, Malawai, and South Africa to advance various Clinton Foundation and Clinton Global Initiative (CGI) goals. After helping to promote malaria awareness and HIV testing, the high-profile duo visited Cyugaro Primary School in Rwanda to help decontaminate drinking water.



The Clintons visit to the Rwandan school was part of CGI and Procter and Gamble's Commitment to Save One Life Every Hour -- a campaign dedicated to providing clean drinking water to areas in need. President Clinton said that such programs provide an effective solution where a lack of access to potable drinking water leads to 80 percent of the diseases from which Rwandans suffer.

“It’s one of the simplest things we can do to save lives,” President Clinton said in a recent press release.

In addition to providing clean water in Rwanda, the Clintons also visited Zanzibar to host a malaria-awareness soccer match, where fans and attendees had access to disease testing.


Hillary and Chelsea Clinton deployed their mother-daughter star power to help the effort to save African elephants, brokering an $80m effort to stop the ivory poaching which threatens the animals with extinction.

The crackdown on 50 poaching hot spots in Africa involves several conservation groups and African governments. But conservation leaders, unveiling the plan at the Clinton Global Initiative (CGI) annual meeting, went out of their way to credit Hillary Clinton for giving prominence to the issue of the illegal trade in wildlife while she was secretary of state.

The initiative brings together the main conservation groups, including the Wildlife Conservation Society, the African Wildlife Foundation, Conservation International, the International Fund for Animal Welfare and the World Wildlife Fund, as well as a number of African governments. These include Botswana, Ivory Coast, Gabon, Kenya, South Sudan, Malawi and Uganda.

more on Chelsea and Bill in Africa: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5163434



. . . sounds like an interesting and enterprising woman who has a lot to offer.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
25. Among probably thousands of equally experienced and talented women.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 06:47 PM
Jul 2014

How come they don't get $75K?

Sounds like elitism to me.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
26. that's a description of most successful people
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 06:50 PM
Jul 2014

. . .why them, and not other worthy individuals?

I think Chelsea's efforts speak for themselves. It will be a strange day when advocating for women’s rights, AIDS research and global LGBT rights and other humanitarianism is considered 'elitist'.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
31. Again, why her and not someone similar?
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 06:56 PM
Jul 2014

Give me a break, they want the name Clinton. They wouldn't pay Chelsea Schmo $75 to talk, let alone $75K.

End of discussion.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
32. well, I'm just not concerned about 'why her'
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 06:58 PM
Jul 2014

. . . I'm more focused on what she's advocating in those appearances and where she's applying the money she's receiving.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
40. read the article that you're riffing off of
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 07:20 PM
Jul 2014

. . . unlike her parents’ talks, Ms. Clinton’s speeches “are on behalf of the Clinton Foundation, and 100 percent of the fees are remitted directly to the foundation,” said her spokesman, Kamyl Bazbaz, adding that “the majority of Chelsea’s speeches are unpaid.”

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
47. OH, WAIIIIIIT. DUH! She's a DEMOCRAT! My mistake. He's an Investment Banker, not a bankster.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 07:30 PM
Jul 2014

He doesn't work for a money grubbing hedge fund called G3, and his time at Goldman Sachs was
devoted to passing out candy to the homeless.

Please forgive me. I forget the official nomenclature sometimes.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
53. that's certainly a plus. More power to her. She's advocating for some pretty important issues.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 07:40 PM
Jul 2014

. . . it's a good thing that she has a solid foundation from which to act.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
58. this is what I hold in high regard
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 08:10 PM
Jul 2014

She is an advocate for women’s rights, AIDS research and global LGBT rights and other humanitarianism.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
109. I hold moving the goalposts in high regard too...
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 02:06 PM
Jul 2014

I very much hold consistently moving the goalposts as each point is invalidated in high regard too...

treestar

(82,383 posts)
79. She's had a lot of experiences
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 10:06 PM
Jul 2014

Granted it is due to whose daughter she is that she had a lot of those experiences, but they could still be valuable to hear about.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
29. I have nothing against Chelsea, and wish her the best.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 06:52 PM
Jul 2014

However, it is true that if her last name were anything but "Clinton" she wouldn't be earning $75K for speaking fees.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
30. This is true, and why we are a generational oligarchy
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 06:56 PM
Jul 2014

It is amazing to me that so many on DU do not wish to see that fact.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
34. the name recognition is certainly a plus
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 07:00 PM
Jul 2014

. . . the way she's advantaged that name to advance and contribute to the certainly worthy initiatives and concerns of hers is admirable.

Hekate

(90,690 posts)
135. Let this be a lesson: Don't be a class traitor if you have lotsa bucks, like FDR or JFK or Nelson...
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 11:04 PM
Jul 2014

...Rockefeller. Because having money and caring about those less fortunate is ipso facto a sign of hypocrisy and should never be engaged in.

amiright?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
108. Much as our own wages come across as elitism to Sub-Saharan subsistence farmers...
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 02:05 PM
Jul 2014

Much as our own wages come across as elitism to Sub-Saharan subsistence farmers...

But in that case, it's inaccurate labeling as opposed to your labeling, yes?

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
66. Would love to see her in Detroit helping those families find water to wash with and drink.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 09:41 PM
Jul 2014

Why are the Clintons always out there going to Other Countries that we Bomb instead of going around America to see the Terrible Poverty in our own USA?

Don't see much of that. And, haven't seen any glowing photos from the Clinton/Corporate's Initiative in Haiti, either. Still Tent Cities for over 100,000 in that country that Clinton overthrew the Government to institute Democracy.

What's going on with where they go? The Photo Ops of Chelsea/Bush Girls in Africa and the other Wealthy Children of our Politicos...always with the Photo Ops......but, where is the PROGRESS?

Just another photo op of Wealthy Kid of Entitled Family...supposedly doing "good works" and superior to the rest of us and our own children.

The BUCK STOPS in what did they do to HELP OUR OWN CHILDREN and FAMILIES LIVING IN POVERTY.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
73. You have absolutely NO idea of what the Clintons have chosen to concern themselves with
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 09:55 PM
Jul 2014

. . . and no one here expects you to even take one step to find out.

Nice, though, to devalue the folks who have actually been helped by her efforts - all for your political purposes posting on this board.

You haven't seen the things you describe because you don't care to look. That's made more than obvious by your uninformed slams.

 

conservaphobe

(1,284 posts)
24. Attacking people for supplying what's in demand is disgusting.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 06:28 PM
Jul 2014

If people demand to hear them and pay for them to supply their presence and words, it shouldn't be controversial.

Short of a few extremists, most Americans have no problem with exchanging a service for money. It's quite the American thing to do. Attacking it? Not so much.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
70. It's all in LLC's, 501-C's and other finacial boondoogling the Clever, Highly Paid
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 09:48 PM
Jul 2014

Lawyers use to protect the "Foundation" from scrutiny. They have it MAID....They do what the rest of Wall Street does because they are PART OF THAT COMMUNITY....because they MADE IT! In more ways than we, out here, can even Imagine!

THEY....are the Best and the Brightest and ENTITLED to MORE than the rest of us.......because of their status as Royalty.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
28. Uhmm MMMMM MMM MMM
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 06:51 PM
Jul 2014

Words fail me. WTF would anyone pay that kind of money to hear a mere "child" speak? Wtf could she possibly say that would be worth that kind of money? I would never support any organisation that wasted money like that.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
48. Would you pay someone $75,000 for a speech if it helped your organization to raise $2.1 million?
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 07:33 PM
Jul 2014

"The Jewish Federation of Palm Beach County hired Ms. Clinton to speak at its inaugural event in March. Tickets started at $1,000 per family, and the event raised more than $2.1 million."

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
38. I guess 75K is a bargain, since according to you hagiographers she'll soon get her first Nobel.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 07:12 PM
Jul 2014

And man, will her asking price go up then.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
42. I'd be most interested in comparing her public service work to your own
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 07:24 PM
Jul 2014

. . . and would gladly consider you for a DU hagiography should your efforts surpass Chelsea Clinton's.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
44. I don't get $75K, though. She does. Why?
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 07:26 PM
Jul 2014

Are you saying there are NO other talented women? You mean SHE'S the ONLY accomplished and talented woman in the COUNTRY?

WOW. She should charge MILLIONS.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
52. Maybe she has experiences that many others don't...
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 07:38 PM
Jul 2014

I'd imagine growing up in the White House would be an unique experience.



Sid

treestar

(82,383 posts)
69. Yeah, this is a market thing
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 09:47 PM
Jul 2014

People are willing to pay to hear her - it's not different that being willing to pay to hear a rock band or the like.

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
39. Soory guys, I went to harsh on Chealsy in my first comment
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 07:16 PM
Jul 2014

that's why I just self deleted.

That say, I really don't think she need extra money. I dont say she's a bad person, I this its just seem another promotional campaign on behalf of the Clinton family, and so this is a huge part I dont agree.

Cha

(297,242 posts)
89. The speaking engagement fees go to the Clinton Foundation which supports these kinds of issues..
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 10:37 PM
Jul 2014
"With your support we create partnerships of great purpose to improve global health and wellness, increase opportunity for women and girls, reduce childhood obesity, create economic opportunity and growth, and help communities address the effects of climate change."

http://www.clintonfoundation.org/donate?gclid=CN7p5MPaub8CFU-Rfgod9UoANQ

I'm not a huge fan of the Clintons but I take issue with ignorance being spread. And, it's "Chelsea".

Metric System

(6,048 posts)
57. Someone like Chelsea brings a lot of attention and $$$ to orgs. Whatever fee she gets is a pittance
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 07:53 PM
Jul 2014

compared to the money that is raised. And people from the political sphere are cheaper than celebs like Cher and Elton John, who require over $1 million for an appearance.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
61. ... and the relevance of this is?
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 08:44 PM
Jul 2014

The Clinton family should be the 'only' political family not to charge speaking fees?

I have absolutely no problem with public figures charging speaking fees ... as for a private citizen such as Chelsea Clinton I do not see any relevance to anything.

Ms. Clinton’s speeches “are on behalf of the Clinton Foundation, and 100 percent of the fees are remitted directly to the foundation,” ... any outrage over this is truly manufactured

treestar

(82,383 posts)
68. Nothing against her
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 09:47 PM
Jul 2014

but it's a surprise that she's worth that much. What do they think that she will talk about that will be worth their while? Has she developed a reputation in some field?

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
75. it just takes a little research to answer that
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 09:57 PM
Jul 2014

. . . hell, you don't even have to leave this thread.

If you really care, go and find out.

LuvLoogie

(7,003 posts)
85. What? Contempt for a Rhodes scholar, former governor, two-term President,
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 10:23 PM
Jul 2014

his wife who is a Wellesley grad, Yale Law Doctor, U.S. Senator, Secretary of State and their daughter, who is a Stanford Grad, has masters from Columbia and Oxford and a doctorate from Oxford--all of whom are leveraging their intelligence, notariety, talent and energy to organize, inspire and motivate people?

I'm sorry, but the contempt all just sounds like sour grapes and really petty. Unwarranted and punkish.

Throd

(7,208 posts)
86. Contempt for dynasties and buying political influence from the well-connected.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 10:31 PM
Jul 2014

Spray paint that turd any color you want. Still a turd.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
97. well, the money goes into the Clinton's charitable foundation
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 11:58 PM
Jul 2014

. . .which is less a foundation than a conduit for charitable contributions to several worthy and vital causes.

More power to her if her family connections help her to accomplish her goals. Her speaking fees are not about personal enrichment. 100% of the money is donated to those charitable causes. You probably don't have any idea what those causes are, because they've not been part of any political campaign of Hillary's.

Wink and nod comments about dynasties and connections are a poor substitute for the truth (if anyone is actually concerned with it). In this case, the money and connections are benefiting causes and concerns that progressives traditionally support. If you don't support her charitable efforts, then just say so. Misrepresenting them and distorting those efforts is as good as opposing them.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
146. In a just society there would be no need for "charitable efforts"
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 07:12 PM
Jul 2014

they are nothing but bandages for a wound that we do not even try to heal.

That just society is what I believe the Democratic party should be working towards.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
151. +10000 Instead, we get Clinton ownership of first NAFTA and now the bloody TPP.
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 04:05 AM
Jul 2014

That says everything....everything...we need to know.

LuvLoogie

(7,003 posts)
152. A just society includes charitable efforts.
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 04:09 AM
Jul 2014

Mother nature doesn't vote, and sociopaths happen. Humans will always have to right wrongs and come to the rescue.

My 9 year old daughter is starting to realize that not everyone is a good person. She is starting to question why people hurt others. She asks, "Why can't people just be peacful and good to each other?"

So my first lesson in that regard to her will be "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" and what that means.

Later on I might talk about what "nam myoho renge kyo" means.

LuvLoogie

(7,003 posts)
136. Who's worshiping her? She's a decent and intelligent person
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 11:39 PM
Jul 2014

who has worked hard academically, and is leveraging her talent and notariety. You all sound like Cinderella's step sisters.

LuvLoogie

(7,003 posts)
138. When have I bashed the Bush daughters?
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 01:09 AM
Jul 2014

Are they graduates of Stanford, Columbia and Oxford as well? What the hell is your point?

Focus! Go visit your mom! Take your kids to the park!

LuvLoogie

(7,003 posts)
142. I don't feel anything about the Bush daughters.
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 01:25 AM
Jul 2014

They're cute like Chelsea. So I guess I feel the same way about them on that level?!

Hmmm, they were born; they exist. What is your point?

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
143. That we have created a culture where a select few families rule the nation
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 10:00 AM
Jul 2014

There are very few (in fact, none) scenarios where I can see that as a good thing. We have politicians that have created dynasties where it is no longer the president and their spouse that are loaded for life because of their office. We now see their children making millions simply because of whose crotch they came out of. That is NOT what was the intended purpose of our nation. And sadly, too many people not only sit by idly and accept it, many actually support and defend it.

Chelsea may be a great person, but she is where she is NOT because of what she has accomplished but because of who her parents are. To think otherwise is naive. Thus, I do not feel at all bad about pointing out how what a sad commentary it is that she is getting paid $75,000 to speak.

LuvLoogie

(7,003 posts)
144. The Clintons don't rule; Barack Obama doesn't rule.
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 05:14 PM
Jul 2014

And your misogynistic slip is showing. Chelsea Clinton is a great person, largely because she is Bill and Hillary's daughter. It's called parenting. See Liz Cheney.

LuvLoogie

(7,003 posts)
148. Your words:
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 11:50 PM
Jul 2014

"We now see their children making millions simply because of whose crotch they came out of."

Sorry if you feel attacked, but this sentence makes you sound like an ass who resents his parents.

LuvLoogie

(7,003 posts)
150. Your statement is misogynistic.
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 03:50 AM
Jul 2014

That you can't see that, explains why you are having difficulty making a coherent point.

Let me put it this way. If Bill and Hillary were your mom and dad, people would still pay Chelsea more than they would pay you to hear you speak. Or are they handing out Stanford, Columbia and Oxford degrees, just because you're a Clinton?

Your statement reduces their high-functioning, nurturing family to a show dog kennel. Disney Channel snark toward Chelsea Clinton adds no luster to your "Progressive" bonafides.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
145. My parents aren't rich and famous enough to get me that sort of job.
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 07:05 PM
Jul 2014

This sinecure is hardly the junior Clinton's fault, but there were quite enough people on DU already prepared to anoint her as president. The pseudo-qualification of her massive speaking fees will only encourage them.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
82. As a private citizen, Chelsea can earn money by any legal means she wants.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 10:10 PM
Jul 2014

If she becomes a candidate for public office, then naturally who signs her paychecks becomes a matter of interest. Same as her mother.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
83. They're grooming a future trojan donkey, that's all.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 10:10 PM
Jul 2014

Nothing new there. Gotta keep 'em on the payroll, keep 'em in with the "right" crowd.

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
91. She's worth it. Check out her no-holds-barred Geico lizard interview. Brilliant.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 11:03 PM
Jul 2014

Can't imagine anyone more able and committed to fight against the American maelstrom of life sucking inequity.

Godspeed, Chelsea!

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
102. this
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 03:02 AM
Jul 2014

She is an advocate for women’s rights, AIDS research and global LGBT rights and other humanitarianism.

In her junior year, Clinton changed her major from medicine to history and began work on her thesis project: the Northern Ireland peace process. After delivering her 167-page thesis, Clinton headed to Oxford University in England to pursue a master's degree in International Relations.

In addition to serving as co-chairperson for her father's Clinton Foundation, the former first daughter is also on the board of the School of American Ballet.


In 2011, Chelsea pushed the Clinton Health Access Initiative, which had historically focused on driving down the prices of HIV and AIDS vaccines, to do the same for Zinc/ORS, the leading treatment for diarrhea, which is the second-leading killer of children under 5 years old in the developing world. One of the first countries it targeted was Nigeria, but negotiating with the government, NGOs, public-sector organizations, pharma companies, and others threatened to endlessly delay the effort. According to Guariglia, the team asked Chelsea if she "could facilitate it--get the right players at the table, get them to commit to this program." After a couple of weeks of intense preparation, Chelsea traveled to Nigeria and "went around to every partner, knew exactly what we needed from them, pledged her support and belief in this program, and got them to commit," says Guariglia. Her academic work (she's finishing her PhD in global health governance) armed her with the ability to talk about the issues, and she was able to get each player to understand how their role was important in the bigger picture. "Without her, it would have taken months of meetings," says Guariglia. Prices of Zinc/ORS have been cut by 40% to 60% in Kenya, Nigeria, and Uganda.

In 2013 President Clinton and his daughter traveled through Tanzania, Rwanda, Zambia, Malawai, and South Africa to advance various Clinton Foundation and Clinton Global Initiative (CGI) goals. After helping to promote malaria awareness and HIV testing, the high-profile duo visited Cyugaro Primary School in Rwanda to help decontaminate drinking water.

The Clintons visit to the Rwandan school was part of CGI and Procter and Gamble's Commitment to Save One Life Every Hour -- a campaign dedicated to providing clean drinking water to areas in need. President Clinton said that such programs provide an effective solution where a lack of access to potable drinking water leads to 80 percent of the diseases from which Rwandans suffer.

“It’s one of the simplest things we can do to save lives,” President Clinton said in a recent press release.

In addition to providing clean water in Rwanda, the Clintons also visited Zanzibar to host a malaria-awareness soccer match, where fans and attendees had access to disease testing.


Hillary and Chelsea Clinton deployed their mother-daughter star power to help the effort to save African elephants, brokering an $80m effort to stop the ivory poaching which threatens the animals with extinction.

The crackdown on 50 poaching hot spots in Africa involves several conservation groups and African governments. But conservation leaders, unveiling the plan at the Clinton Global Initiative (CGI) annual meeting, went out of their way to credit Hillary Clinton for giving prominence to the issue of the illegal trade in wildlife while she was secretary of state.

The initiative brings together the main conservation groups, including the Wildlife Conservation Society, the African Wildlife Foundation, Conservation International, the International Fund for Animal Welfare and the World Wildlife Fund, as well as a number of African governments. These include Botswana, Ivory Coast, Gabon, Kenya, South Sudan, Malawi and Uganda.


and more: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5163434

trublu992

(489 posts)
107. This is informative, although it reads like a planted puff piece.
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 01:55 PM
Jul 2014

She seems to be good at this type of work, why she needs 75,000 grand is a slippery slope.
If the money goes to the Clinton Initiative well that's better, although I've worked for charities and know most of the money does not go to the cause. Not even half the donated proceeds, which is one reason I don't work there anymore. The Clinton Initiative has done some worthy things but it also a huge tax shelter for Bill and Hilary and that is its primary function.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
110. I tried to only include things that had substance. Obviously I chose things that were favorable
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 02:09 PM
Jul 2014

here's the most recent breakdown of expenses I could find:

2012 Expenditures

88.6% Programs
6.5% Management and General
3.5% Fundraising

- See more at: http://www.clintonfoundation.org/#sthash.L2G48hm3.dpuf

Hekate

(90,690 posts)
103. So a speech from any of them is a donation to causes they support. Got that. Boyoboy how evil.
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 03:04 AM
Jul 2014
Organizers said her star power helped sell tickets and raise money.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
121. I like Chelsea
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 02:47 PM
Jul 2014

I think it's amazing that she's turned out so well considering the fishbowl existence that she's had. She seems to be very involved in the Clinton Global Initiative in a positive way.

For anyone who does not like her, I would simply suggest that they not pay money themselves to go and listen to her. Obviously the individuals and/or organizations that might pay her $75k for a speech feel she's worth it.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
123. The howlers excoriate the shit out of people like Greenwald for making any money at all
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 04:22 PM
Jul 2014

Royalty is different of course...

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
127. +1
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 06:05 PM
Jul 2014

It's amazing to me how many people on this board get all apoplectic at any mention of the royal family overseas, yet spend so much time trying to elevate political families in the US into dynasties and royalty. The cognitive dissonance that goes on here sometimes....

Response to PoliticAverse (Original post)

Mike Nelson

(9,956 posts)
129. I like the Clintons, but...
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 06:44 PM
Jul 2014

...she is a public person. My advice is to STOP this until after the election, if Clinton is planning to run. They can afford to hold off on the speaking fees...

MFrohike

(1,980 posts)
141. Yeesh
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 01:25 AM
Jul 2014

Corruption for a "good cause" is still corruption. She's selling connections, not her vast experience.

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