America the cruel or America the compassionate? How America treats the child refugees will tell.

[Fred Sanders]

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Is America going to be defined by the likes of the mad Moocher Militia and a few dozen brainwashed and crazed Fox News zombies and few dozen more frothing at the mouth gun nuts, or by the words etched on Lady Liberty, isn't that the big picture?

Is the 99% white and 100% Christian Party of America going to be allowed to love the zygote but hate the child and not be called out on the massive hypocrisy?

To me, the children, (whose faces must NOT be shown in the American media as it may arouse unnecessary feelings of compassion apparently and we must not let emotions play any role in this serious debate) are war refugees, wars left over from yet more incompetent American interference,(see Iraq) and must be granted full refugee status.

By domestic law and by international law, and by the laws of being decent human beings, America must give them immediate full residency status.

Put Palin and the other Republican chorus "leaders", as the media still insists on calling these freaking morons and hatemongers, in front of an American flag clutching a gun and a Bible with that same smirk, the image fits perfectly.

Just saying.......

[Romulox]

1. America doesn't care for children born here. Did that point escape you?

[Lurker Deluxe]

2. How many of them?

There are, literally, hundreds of millions of children in this world in the same type of situation. Are you saying if they can make it to our border we should let them in?

Or just this first 50,000? Or the second 50,000? First 250,000? Stop at half a mil?

Where does this compassion end?

[Fred Sanders]

6. It ends with sensible immigration laws, the one stalled by Republicans. Republicans want the chaos,

the media sure does.

[Lurker Deluxe]

8. What laws?

What laws? These are refuges, they have nothing to do with immigration. These are people fleeing starvation and war, what law would apply to them?

Pointing fingers and saying nothing, "ends with sensible immigration laws" does nothing. Your post said, "By domestic law and by international law, and by the laws of being decent human beings, America must give them immediate full residency status".

Answer the question.

How many of these people do we let in?

And what is the qualification, if they can get to our border we let them in?

[Fred Sanders]

9. You seem totally unaware of the Senate passed, bill......sorry about that.

Hair on fire comments are not accepted here.

[Lurker Deluxe]

10. Doesn't matter

Immigration laws do not apply to refuges. Tell me what part of the proposed new law would apply here. Under our current immigration laws these children should not be let in.


So, how many?

[LanternWaste]

17. As many as our compassion allows.

"So, how many? "

As many as our collective compassion allows. Though sincere compassion does not recognize the imaginary red and blue lines on a map, it does recognize children in need...

[Lurker Deluxe]

24. Again

There are, literally, more children in need in this world than we have people in this country.

They just can not get here because of logistics, where Mexico seems to transport people straight through their country to our southern border, and they make money doing it. How the hell can anyone not see what is happening, people who are already broke and struggling to survive are taking their life savings and giving it to someone to take their children to the US.

What happens when that market opens up to Africa and these "coyotes" start moving those people to our border? We take as many as can get to our border? Half of that population is HIV positive. Is that really where we are headed?

We simply can't. Even if we took every penny from every entity that makes over 100k a year, there would not be enough money to support this kind of influx. This is all on top of the estimated 20-40 million "undocumented workers" that are already in this country.

[jwirr]

23. Maybe we need to look to international laws? There are all kinds of refugees in this world, what law

applies to them. Does the UN have laws that apply? I think you have a very correct this is not about immigration. When refugees flee violence in the middle east is some kind of limit put on how many can flee?

[gwheezie]

3. This may sound radical

Why don't we treat all people of the Americas as being able to move unmolested and free to move across the borders of the countries? We all have similar origins of native people, explorers and slaves. We live in the Americas

I think we have more in commen. I think if you look at our histories, the borders have changed and blurred over centuries.

[Dreamer Tatum]

11. Yeah, tell me how that works for you when you're in a Mexican prison

for being in Mexico without being Mexican.

If people could move unmolested in the Americas, everything south of Texas would become a wildlife preserve in a few months.

[Comrade Grumpy]

21. I think millions and millions of Latin Americans are happy right where they are.

But the US does attract some with its economic opportunities.

[gwheezie]

22. Oh dear

Perhaps I should be less nuanced. When I say across all our borders unmolested, I meant that literally. Including borders between other countries in the Americas other than our own. In both directions. The expectation would be all citizens of countries we would have an open immigration policy with would have basic rights that also apply when our citizens are in their countries. It just seems archaic to me with so many ways to travel, that we would not adapt our policy regarding non citizens to making movement between countries on this side of the world easier.
It's just an idea. It's not like I'm in charge if anything. I don't think this situation is the disaster it's made out to be.

[Comrade Grumpy]

20. I like this idea. Something like the way Europe does it.

Unimpeded transit within the EU. No passport needed.

[YarnAddict]

4. I was disappointed that

the POTUS isn't going to visit the children at the border. He is soooooo good with kids and they seem to really love him. Imagine the pictures! I think that would have changed some minds about these poor little ones.

[Fred Sanders]

7. Nonsense. Then you would be concerned about Obama politicizing this and using emotion. This is

purely a media propaganda theme to fill their airwaves with more idle chattering, why do you choose to be a victim of this?


Edit: by " you" I simply mean your opinion on this.

[Puzzledtraveller]

5. How do we treat our own children?

[Dreamer Tatum]

12. Um, what? They're already being treated tons better than they were.

They're being fed and housed in various military bases. We are already compassionate.

[Fred Sanders]

14. So what is the hold up on the emergency request by Obama for funds? Why is that even being

debated and held hostage if America is already so compassionate? Housing and feeding lost children is not compassion, it is necessity, anything else would be inhuman. Why the media coverage over how they may be hiding terrorists and disease and all manner of vermin?

Because American poor have refrigerators and Burger King, they can not be that bad off, that is the right wing path of thought.

And the thought ignores the imperialism that ruined the countries they come from, recognized I the special status granted by a Bush passed law that recognized that.

Throw the baby out with the bath water still not a good idea.

[Dreamer Tatum]

15. In other words, the United States owes the world whatever it so desires.

Why weren't the kids sent to Venezuela? Cuba? Why didn't Mexico say, whoa, hang on, we can't let these Honduran and Guatemalan kids traverse our country to be mistreated and abused in Gringoland! WE'LL take care of them!

Why did none of that happen? Because we give a fuck and they don't, and you can spout all the streetcorner Marxism you want and that fact will not change. The emergency request for funds has little to do with it - the kids are being cared for here NOW in a way that no one else WOULD because we both know they goddamn motherfucking COULD.

[Fred Sanders]

18. Read the law and why it was written, otherwise your hair is just on fire.

Mexico is not as great a country as America, I get it.

[Dreamer Tatum]

19. I'll read it when you answer why the US is the presumptive choice

for unwanted children.

Why not Mexico?

Nevermind. I already know all your answers.

[MoonRiver]

13. I don't know what the answer is, but it is a HUGE problem.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

16. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses...." has become "Get lost, I got mine."