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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHaving heard all the complex arguments about the immigrant kids, IMO we should let them stay
They're kids. They are coming from horrific circumstances. We should give them asylum on humanitarian grounds.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)mbperrin
(7,672 posts)Which seems to be the trigger for exactly the opposite to happen.
You've heard of the Midas Touch? Yeah, I've got the other one.
Anansi1171
(793 posts)Someone will actually be along to ask how we can afford them in 5...4...3....
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)I don't have any compassion for corrupt governments dumping their poor hungry uneducated masses on the US border
And this problem needs to be delt with President to President and stop taking it out on bus loads of frieghtened children
Suspend their precious Free Trade Agreements until they can clean up their mess and take care of their children
roody
(10,849 posts)and things will improve.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)When this corrupt Supreme Court finishes the Corporate take over of this country we may be looking to send our children/grandchildren away
The purpose of a Government is to SERVE its people
ALL the people young and old
pipoman
(16,038 posts)FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)When their parents were sentanced to the Penal Colony of Australia
Oh geez - look how far we've come in 175 years
pipoman
(16,038 posts)FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)Suspending Trade Agreements would get their attention
But of course OUR own homegrown Wall St profitiers would never allow that. Profits before People and all
pipoman
(16,038 posts)Requirement for participating in every trade agreement. ..without it the standard we are destined to fall to their standard. Thank you democratic party....I expect this from the thugs....not from the "labor party"...the labor party is dead.
That said, we should be treating and giving the refugees refuge.
kentuck
(111,098 posts)declaring these kids as refugees seeking asylum and do not pose a threat to our nation. Take a moral stand and stick with it.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)While the real perpetrators of the mess - the corrupt ruling elite of these countries continue to rake in profits at the demise of their children
Completely Immoral
egduj
(805 posts)Shelter them, feed them, and provide them an education up through the university level. It would be a wonderful investment on the future for this country, if not the world.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)I'm talking about the 1980s in particular when ultra leftists in Nicaragua and El Salvador for example sought takeovers and redistributions of wealth. Reagan was supporting ultra right wing counter-revolutionaries like the Contras. In Guatemala where most of the kids come from, the country has one of the largest segments of people in poverty (57%) and an extremely unfair distribution of land and resources. The U.S. was involved in coups and interference since the Eisenhower administration, fearing a communist take over and always backing military dictators of the bloodiest kind, like Rios Montt. The imposition of a socialist system in these countries might have made life hard for the drug cartels and might also have moderated the influence of the Catholic Church. Guatemala has an exploding population of 15 million in a tiny place. A socialist government providing healthcare and universal education might have provided birth control. They say that in countries where women have access to education, their populations stabilize and their economies improve.
I think there's blame to go around here. However, I don't think the U.S. can ignore the fact we have repeatedly interfered in the politics and economic systems of these countries since the Cold War.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)bklyncowgirl
(7,960 posts)I agree with you that letting these kids stay is the humane thing to do. We both know that this is politically a non-starter.
Central America is a mess. It's a mess for a large part because American policy has kept corrupt oligarchies in place and kept the masses poor and desperate. It's a mess because Americans' insatiable appetite for illegal drugs and cheap labor and our steadfast unwillingness to curb the flow of guns from American gun manufactures into the hands of drug cartels has made illegal trafficking in drugs and in people a major industry.
Our abject national refusal to see these problems for what they and create a national policy which makes sense in today's world has forced us into a piecemeal approach where well-intentioned policies lead to unintended consequences.
Here's a few things that might help but are unlikely to happen.
Adopt comprehensive immigration reform--not bloody likely--at least under a Democratic president.
Once that is done:
Enforce the existing laws on employers who hire illegal immigrants. Big Ag will scream bloody blue murder but a few big fines and better yet a CEO or two spending quality time in a federal prison would do wonders to stem the tide. The problem with this is that food prices would undoubtedly rise making it politically unpalatable.
Actually enforce the workers rights provisions in NAFTA, CAFTA etc. giving workers in these countries a chance to organize and better their lives at home. Sadly I don't think that the powers that be would ever let that happen in a million years.
Stem the flow of guns. Not going to happen if the NRA has anything to say about it.
Recognize that the war on drugs has been an abject failure. Adopt a public health approach to addiction. This probably has the best chance of happening as states begin to slowly legalize pot.