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Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 10:12 PM Jul 2014

How Corporate America Shut the Courthouse Doors to Average People



http://billmoyers.com/2014/07/07/how-corporate-america-shut-the-courthouse-doors-to-ordinary-americans/

Little evidence suggests that Brennan’s analysis followed congressional intent. “There was nothing in the legislative history that says Congress favored arbitration,” says Loyola Law School’s Margaret Moses. “The Supreme Court just stated it and then kept citing itself. It’s spurred a huge policy shift, with no basis in legislation.”

However baffling its reasoning, this drastic shift by the court followed a decade during which the conservative legal movement had rapidly gained intellectual clout and political power. The infamous 1971 “Powell memo” — a call to arms to corporations written by then corporate lawyer Lewis Powell, who would join the Supreme Court the following year — had galvanized the business community into organizing against liberal groups and consumer activists like Ralph Nader.

This court’s turn also accorded with a well-financed political campaign for “tort reform,” a conservative cause backed by groups such as the Federalist Society and the Olin Foundation. George H. W. Bush campaigned on tort reform in 1991, while Vice President Dan Quayle headed up the Council on Competitiveness, which held as a central aim eliminating class-action litigation against business. As one scholar of the movement put it, the prevailing belief at the time was that America suffered from “too much law, too many lawyers, courts that take on too much — and an excessive readiness to utilize all of them.”


And true enough, by some measures litigation had increased. In 1962, for example, US district courts conducted just under 6,000 civil trials; by 1981, they conducted more than 11,000. Public figures and the media tended to attribute all of this growth to “frivolous” lawsuits and zealous trial attorneys, but the rise also traced back to other factors, such as the civil rights wins of the 1960s, which meant that laws now protected a much larger segment of the population.



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How Corporate America Shut the Courthouse Doors to Average People (Original Post) Uncle Joe Jul 2014 OP
good thing for conservatives that dems are so pathetically helpless about fighting back lol nt msongs Jul 2014 #1
Thomas Jefferson on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #2
Andrew Jackson on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #3
Noam Chomsky on corporate power Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #4
That's Not Noam Chomsky Dirty Socialist Jul 2014 #9
Barack Obama on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #5
Ralph Nader on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #6
Cesar Chavez on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #7
Gore Vidal on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #8
Jerry Brown on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #10
William J. Clinton on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #11
Michael Moore on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #12
Cornell West on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #13
Marco Rubio on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #14
Jessie Ventura on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #15
Yoko Ono on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #16
Al Franken on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #17
Bernie Sanders on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #18
Adam McKay on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #19
I didn't know about Webster's. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #94
Al Franken part 2 on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #20
Financial Core of the Transnational Corporate Class Octafish Jul 2014 #21
That's a good post, Octafish. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #23
This is a Thread for the Ages, Uncle Joe! Octafish Jul 2014 #93
BOOKMARKING THIS THREAD !!! alittlelark Jul 2014 #22
Totally! An entire thread for my quotes file! calimary Jul 2014 #27
Thank you, calimary, Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #98
Adam McKay part 2 on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #24
Douglas Rushkoff on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #25
K&R. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #26
Bernie Sanders part 2 on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #28
Paul Hawken on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #29
Stephen Ambrose on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #30
Matt Taibbi on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #31
Josh Fox on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #32
Madeleine M. Kunin on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #33
Howard Dean on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #34
Christine Pelosi on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #35
John Grisham on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #36
Noreena Hertz on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #37
Noreena Hertz part 2 on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #38
Joe Baca on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #39
Glenn Greenwald on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #40
John Perkins on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #41
Alex Gibney on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #42
Brian De Palma on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #43
Neill Blomkamp on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #44
David Plouffe on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #45
Ron Kind on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #46
Don Tapscott on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #47
Bookmarked! Thanks for the thread Joe! Rex Jul 2014 #48
Thanks for the thanks, Rex. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #55
Richard Trumka on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #49
Zac Goldsmith on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #50
Frances O'Grady on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #51
Russ Feingold on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #52
Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #53
Barry Commoner on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #54
Alex Cox on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #56
Amity Shlaes on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #57
John Maeda on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #58
Susan George on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #59
conservative policy is to remove decision making from The Second Stone Jul 2014 #60
That's it in a nutshell, but also in secret as opposed to public trials. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #62
Michael Nutter on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #61
Gloria Reuben on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #63
John Perkins part 2 on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #64
Chellie Pingree on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #65
Tony Gilroy on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #66
Jon Tester on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #67
Andy Stern on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #68
Peter Bart on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #69
Michael Bennet on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #70
George Noory on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #71
Ruth J. Simmons on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #72
Scott Peters on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #73
Shepard Fairey on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #74
Jim McGovern on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #75
Jim McGovern part 2 on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #76
Theodore Roosevelt on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #77
Franklin Roosevelt on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #78
Elizabeth Warren on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #79
Elizabeth Warren part 2 on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #80
Al Gore on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #81
Al doesn't always walk the talk, though... Romulox Jul 2014 #88
Al Gore part 2 on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #82
Al Gore part 3 on corporate power. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #83
That is where we are right now with financial regulation. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #96
Wonderful research and compilation suffragette Jul 2014 #84
Thanks, suffragette, I'm going to bed, have a good night. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #85
Great thread Uncle Joe. Thanks! Scuba Jul 2014 #86
Thanks for the thanks, Scuba. n/t Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #89
Al "Mr. NAFTA" Gore trying to reinvent himself as a populist? Ridiculous. nt Romulox Jul 2014 #87
Al Gore had the courage of his convictions, he debated NAFTA openly for all the world to see. n/t Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #90
Yep. And time has proven him utterly, hopelessly wrong on NAFTA. Romulox Jul 2014 #91
Time has only proven that NAFTA is a mixed bag and that was with Bush in the White House for Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #92
There's that ol' corporate/DLC "centrism" sneaking through! nt Romulox Jul 2014 #99
There is nothing "sneaky" about anything, that I've posted anywhere on this thread. n/t Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #100
Just the idea that the guy who championed NAFTA could speak truth to corporations. nt Romulox Jul 2014 #101
Some people literally can't see the forest for the trees because they're too close to their favorite Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #102
The sellout of the working class is kind of a big deal. Sorry I can't just give Al a mullegan. Romulox Jul 2014 #103
I'm sorry that you don't consider slavery and atrocities agianst Native Americans "a big deal" but Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #104
I guess *you* support drowning puppies Romulox Jul 2014 #105
No one I quoted on this thread supports or supported drowning puppies, at least to my knowledge, but Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #107
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #95
Yes OldEurope Jul 2014 #97
Senator Fritz Hollings (D-S.C., 1966-2005) on corporate power johnnyreb Jul 2014 #106
OMG! An absolute treasury of good quotes! calimary Dec 2023 #108
Thank you calimary. I'm glad that you found them of use Uncle Joe Dec 2023 #109
Well, it sure spurred my interest! calimary Dec 2023 #110

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
2. Thomas Jefferson on corporate power.
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 10:47 PM
Jul 2014


I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.

Thomas Jefferson


Read more at

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff135362.html#THirSzvKwEulqB39.99



Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
3. Andrew Jackson on corporate power.
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 10:50 PM
Jul 2014


Unless you become more watchful in your states and check the spirit of monopoly and thirst for exclusive privileges you will in the end find that... the control over your dearest interests has passed into the hands of these corporations.

Andrew Jackson


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/andrewjack408995.html#vtZRYfAXrz1AtEKO.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
4. Noam Chomsky on corporate power
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 10:53 PM
Jul 2014


If workers are more insecure, that's very 'healthy' for the society, because if workers are insecure, they won't ask for wages, they won't go on strike, they won't call for benefits; they'll serve the masters gladly and passively. And that's optimal for corporations' economic health.

Noam Chomsky

Read more at
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/n/noamchomsk635871.html#yftftv5lwqg6TGDG.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
5. Barack Obama on corporate power.
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 10:55 PM
Jul 2014


Now you have a choice: we can give more tax breaks to corporations that ship jobs overseas, or we can start rewarding companies that open new plants and train new workers and create new jobs here, in the United States of America.

Barack Obama


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/b/barackobam453806.html#qHbzOvrkOqvZtpYc.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
6. Ralph Nader on corporate power.
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 10:57 PM
Jul 2014


The only difference between the Republican and Democratic parties is the velocities with which their knees hit the floor when corporations knock on their door. That's the only difference.

Ralph Nader


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/r/ralphnader160181.html#amjmwsMkE5ivdLqO.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
7. Cesar Chavez on corporate power.
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 10:59 PM
Jul 2014


Who gets the risks? The risks are given to the consumer, the unsuspecting consumer and the poor work force. And who gets the benefits? The benefits are only for the corporations, for the money makers.

Cesar Chavez


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/c/cesarchave142415.html#GG1e2xEkDqd26B6B.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
8. Gore Vidal on corporate power.
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 11:01 PM
Jul 2014


Now you have people in Washington who have no interest in the country at all. They're interested in their companies, their corporations grabbing Caspian oil.

Gore Vidal


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/g/gorevidal143634.html#R2zbrq6a2UfZ8ze6.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
10. Jerry Brown on corporate power.
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 11:03 PM
Jul 2014


Multinational corporations do control. They control the politicians. They control the media. They control the pattern of consumption, entertainment, thinking. They're destroying the planet and laying the foundation for violent outbursts and racial division.

Jerry Brown


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/jerrybrown187894.html#QqBDuu2kqsedF4ct.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
11. William J. Clinton on corporate power.
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 11:07 PM
Jul 2014


Where are the jobs going to come from?Small business, manufacturing and clean energy. Where's the money to finance them? The banks and the corporations in America today have lots of money that they can invest right now.

William J. Clinton


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/w/williamjc412721.html#8Se2w21KQqUPozwD.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
12. Michael Moore on corporate power.
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 11:09 PM
Jul 2014


The motivation for war is simple. The U.S. government started the war with Iraq in order to make it easy for U.S. corporations to do business in other countries. They intend to use cheap labor in those countries, which will make Americans rich.

Michael Moore


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/michaelmoo160188.html#j108HqgR0OaAo8Hp.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
13. Cornell West on corporate power.
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 11:11 PM
Jul 2014


A black agenda is jobs, jobs, jobs, quality education, investment in infrastructure and strong democratic regulation of corporations. The black agenda, at its best, looks at America from the vantage point of the least of these and asks what's best for all.

Cornel West


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/c/cornelwest417110.html#LHDEOJrAh3LMgS3d.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
14. Marco Rubio on corporate power.
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 11:13 PM
Jul 2014


You know that big government doesn't hurt big corporations. They've got the best lawyers and accountants in the world. You know who gets destroyed by big government? It's the little guys.

Marco Rubio


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/marcorubio417349.html#14JjChxMVdir2LhJ.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
15. Jessie Ventura on corporate power.
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 11:14 PM
Jul 2014


Our military doesn't defend our American people. Our military is the strong-arm muscle of corporations.

Jesse Ventura


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/jesseventu583356.html#hc9HdepPF8hKGOb8.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
16. Yoko Ono on corporate power.
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 11:16 PM
Jul 2014


When I speak out against the guns or against the big corporations, some of my friends say, 'Oh Yoko, be careful. These people have all the power.' But, you know, most people don't speak out because they are frightened.

Yoko Ono


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/y/yokoono584412.html#ImVmfshKs32Vreo3.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
17. Al Franken on corporate power.
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 11:19 PM
Jul 2014


The institutions that we've built up over the years to protect our individual privacy rights from the government don't apply to the private sector. The Fourth Amendment doesn't apply to corporations. The Freedom of Information Act doesn't apply to Silicon Valley. And you can't impeach Google if it breaks its 'Don't be evil' campaign pledge.

Al Franken


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/alfranken558179.html#LGILEuseXLvK43yX.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
19. Adam McKay on corporate power.
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 11:22 PM
Jul 2014


Benito Mussolini created the word 'fascism.' He defined it as 'the merging of the state and the corporation.' He also said a more accurate word would be 'corporatism.' This was the definition in Webster's up until 1987 when a corporation bought Webster's and changed it to exclude any mention of corporations.

Adam McKay


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/adammckay611944.html#y1jMoed3mvpEblRj.99

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
94. I didn't know about Webster's.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 03:29 PM
Jul 2014

Wow. They do not want us to know they are Fascist. It's not good for public relations.

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
20. Al Franken part 2 on corporate power.
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 11:25 PM
Jul 2014


As a source of innovation, an engine of our economy, and a forum for our political discourse, the Internet can only work if it's a truly level playing field. Small businesses should have the same ability to reach customers as powerful corporations. A blogger should have the same ability to find an audience as a media conglomerate.

Al Franken


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/alfranken558188.html#SWSRv7DX4kYBfGmc.99

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
21. Financial Core of the Transnational Corporate Class
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 12:01 AM
Jul 2014

EXCERPT...

Understanding the Financial Core of the
Transnational Capitalist Class

The 161 directors of the thirteen mostly centralized/largest asset management firms represent the central core of international capital. As such, these 161 people share a common goal of maximum return on investments for their clients and will seek to achieve returns sometimes by any means necessary—legal or not.

Authorities have deemed the largest banks “too big to fail,” and have responded to the banks’ criminal activities with weak reforms and no prosecutions.23 The American government has refused to prosecute any officials from the multitude of banks who have laundered billions of dollars for illegal drug cartels. Powerful banking corporations, such as JPMorgan Chase, have continually refused to comply with American anti-money laundering (AML) laws.24

This refusal to prosecute is often hailed as an honorable move that serves to protect all individuals from devastation. Thus, Assistant Attorney General Lanny A. Breuer explained the refusal to prosecute the bank HSBC:

Had the US authorities decided to press criminal charges, HSBC would almost certainly lost its banking license in the US, the future of the institution would have been under threat and the entire banking system would have been destabilized.25

Not only are these powerful corporations considered “too big to fail,” they appear to have become too big to tell apart. Traditionally, banks have been understood as separate entities, competing against one another in order to entice consumers to deposit funds and invest. Such competition theoretically forces banks to compete to offer the best rates. However, in reality, these banks found that competing against one another was less profitable than working together. Realizing that their interests lie side by side, the financial core of the TCC have been highly motivated to join forces—legally or not—to manipulate laws, policies, and governments to their advantage.

The ramifications of the lack of competition in the banking industry are devastating. Consider, for example, price-fixing scandals such as Libor or ISDAfix. JPMorgan Chase, UBS, and Barclays (among thirteen others) were implicated in the Libor scandal, falsifying the data that was used to create benchmark rates.26 Based on faked data, those rates affected the prices of everything from auto, home, and student loans to credit cards to mortgage and commercial loans, and even the price of currencies themselves. The Financial Services Authority in the United Kingdom fined Barclays $450 million, and several other banks are still under investigation.27

The ISDAfix scandal looks a lot like the Libor case. The same superpower banks are currently under investigation to determine whether or not they manipulated ISDAfix, a benchmark number used to calculate the prices of global interest rate swaps.28 Because cities and sovereign governments use interest rate swaps to help manage their debts, manipulation of those rates has far-reaching impacts, particularly for the poor and working classes, as economic safety nets are subject to “austerity” measures—i.e., budget cuts—that favor protection of financial capital.

Not only were rates illegally fixed and data falsified, but the offending banks also used individual consumers’ investments to engage in criminal activity. The Vanguard Group was accused of investing its clients’ money into illegal offshore gambling sites, prompting a class-action lawsuit under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act. Vanguard did not deny such wrongdoing, but a judge determined that when the plaintiffs (Vanguard’s clients) were harmed, they lost their money due to the government’s crackdown on such illegal gambling, rather than due to Vanguard’s investing in such sites.29 However, it is clear that if Vanguard had not invested client money in illegal ventures, there would have been no negative repercussions from such a government crackdown. As journalist Matt Taibbi declared, “Everything is rigged.”30 Indeed it seems that the superpower corporate elite will never be made to pay for their crimes against consumers—we have yet to see such a prosecution.

Vanguard Group and BlackRock are major investors in Sturm, Ruger & Co., a leading firearms manufacturer.31 Though there is nothing illegal about such investments, we can wonder about the consequences of such a pairing. With the expansion of private police and military companies, the power elite seemingly are investing in the violent means with which to maintain and further their power.

With money comes power, influence, and propaganda. BlackRock and numerous other banks and Wall Street institutions are financially backing groups like Parent Revolution and StudentsFirst, whose agendas are to privatize and subsequently corporatize the public school system.32 The transnational capitalist class is laying the foundation for the privatization of the world. If public, democratic institutions—including schools, post offices, universities, the military, and even churches—become privately owned entities, then corporate interests will truly dominate. Then, we become neo-feudal societies where the reign of kings is replaced by private corporate ownership and the people serve as peasants.

CONTINUED...

http://www.projectcensored.org/financial-core-of-the-transnational-corporate-class/

PS: Thank you for an excellent OP and thread, Uncle Joe! Wall Street on the Potomac ensures welfare for the warmongers and austerity for the rest of us.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
93. This is a Thread for the Ages, Uncle Joe!
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 01:58 PM
Jul 2014

Top-to-Bottom, ideas you don't read anywhere else nearly enough.

To help spread a little more light, Maria Galardin's TUC (Time of Useful Consciousness) Radio:



Alex Carey: Corporations and Propaganda

The Attack on Democracy


The 20th century, said Carey, is marked by three historic developments: the growth of democracy via the expansion of the franchise, the growth of corporations, and the growth of propaganda to protect corporations from democracy. Carey wrote that the people of the US have been subjected to an unparalleled, expensive, 3/4 century long propaganda effort designed to expand corporate rights by undermining democracy and destroying the unions. And, in his manuscript, unpublished during his life time, he described that history, going back to World War I and ending with the Reagan era. Carey covers the little known role of the US Chamber of Commerce in the McCarthy witch hunts of post WWII and shows how the continued campaign against "Big Government" plays an important role in bringing Reagan to power.

John Pilger called Carey "a second Orwell", Noam Chomsky dedicated his book, Manufacturing Consent, to him. And even though TUC Radio runs our documentary based on Carey's manuscript at least every two years and draws a huge response each time, Alex Carey is still unknown.

Given today's spotlight on corporations that may change. It is not only the Occupy movement that inspired me to present this program again at this time. By an amazing historic coincidence Bill Moyers and Charlie Cray of Greenpeace have just added the missing chapter to Carey's analysis. Carey's manuscript ends in 1988 when he committed suicide. Moyers and Cray begin with 1971 and bring the corporate propaganda project up to date.

This is a fairly complex production with many voices, historic sound clips, and source material. The program has been used by writers and students of history and propaganda. Alex Carey: Taking the Risk out of Democracy, Corporate Propaganda VS Freedom and Liberty with a foreword by Noam Chomsky was published by the University of Illinois Press in 1995.

SOURCE (Search down to "Carey&quot : http://www.tucradio.org/new.html



Thank you for the kind words, Uncle Joe! What Yoko said and what you said!

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
98. Thank you, calimary,
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 04:04 PM
Jul 2014

I was just starting out with one quote but then got inspired to run with it.

It does make it convenient and I believe this is only a drop in bucket

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
24. Adam McKay part 2 on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 12:22 AM
Jul 2014


The crush of lobbyists on Washington and purchase of the media by corporations has created a big business-run government and a worthless press leaving Americans screwed and ill-informed.

Adam McKay


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/adammckay611940.html#4liDLfQ11kbVM5GG.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
25. Douglas Rushkoff on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 12:24 AM
Jul 2014


Since the dawn of the Internet, I have always operated under the assumption that if the government or corporations have technological capability to do something, they are doing it - whatever the laws we happen to know about might say.

Douglas Rushkoff


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/d/douglasrus585206.html#BRXDGpPtG6EmIYTY.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
28. Bernie Sanders part 2 on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 12:27 AM
Jul 2014


CEOs of large corporations earn 400 times what their workers make. That is not what America is supposed to be about.

Bernie Sanders


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/b/berniesand505505.html#s1IOmgllt6CMLLa4.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
29. Paul Hawken on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 12:29 AM
Jul 2014


The financial capital is being concentrated by corporations, institutional investors, and even our pension funds, and being reinvested in companies that repeat this process because it provides the highest return on that financial capital.

Paul Hawken


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/p/paulhawken361427.html#OR8rygKTqzHpGXg8.99



Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
31. Matt Taibbi on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 12:34 AM
Jul 2014


It's increasingly clear that governments, major corporations, banks, universities and other such bodies view the defense of their secrets as a desperate matter of institutional survival, so much so that the state has gone to extraordinary lengths to punish and/or threaten to punish anyone who so much as tiptoes across the informational line.

Matt Taibbi


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/matttaibbi530480.html#0Ue4p8Qyq2bBuVeO.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
32. Josh Fox on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 12:36 AM
Jul 2014


I think we're in an era of unprecedented dominance by corporations. I think people understand that deeply; I don't think that's even questioned.

Josh Fox


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/joshfox549457.html#lT8ttu7v4EkRp5Bw.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
33. Madeleine M. Kunin on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 12:38 AM
Jul 2014


Without putting the brakes on out-of-control campaign contributions from individuals and corporations - it will be business as usual, with 1 percent of Americans pulling the strings.

Madeleine M. Kunin


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/madeleinem549653.html#KYcVjPHtiup8ukT3.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
34. Howard Dean on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 12:40 AM
Jul 2014


That's one of the things about the Tea Party people. They think corporations have too much influence in American life and they do.

Howard Dean


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/h/howarddean413005.html#Fo0v8LRXKoyGKqCl.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
35. Christine Pelosi on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 12:41 AM
Jul 2014


With Citizens United, the Supreme Court's declaration that corporations are people, the whims of one can silence the voices of millions.

Christine Pelosi


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/c/christinep516328.html#5ga4EJWFBfJ1vTiq.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
36. John Grisham on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 12:44 AM
Jul 2014


I was a lawyer for 10 years - a short time, but it molded me into who I am. My clients were little people fighting big corporations, so it was a natural thing to not only represent the little guy but also to pull for him - it's the American way.

John Grisham


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Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
37. Noreena Hertz on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 12:47 AM
Jul 2014


Governments have been ceding power to big multinational corporations in the market. We see the manifest in a variety of ways. Where governments are giving up power to big international institutions like the World Trade Organization or NAFTA, which are disabling governments' ability to protect the rights of their own people.

Noreena Hertz


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Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
38. Noreena Hertz part 2 on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 12:49 AM
Jul 2014


If power lies more and more in the hands of corporations rather than governments, the most effective way to be political is not to cast one's vote at the ballot box, but to do so at the supermarket or at a shareholders' meeting. When provoked, corporations respond.

Noreena Hertz


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Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
39. Joe Baca on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 12:51 AM
Jul 2014


The Republicans would like to take us back to a darker time, when corporations ruled and the underserved had no rights.

Joe Baca


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/joebaca295460.html#GIQ5e5HWxxb9beqL.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
40. Glenn Greenwald on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 12:54 AM
Jul 2014


Many of the benefits from keeping terrorism fear levels high are obvious. Private corporations suck up massive amounts of Homeland Security cash as long as that fear persists, while government officials in the National Security and Surveillance State can claim unlimited powers and operate with unlimited secrecy and no accountability.

Glenn Greenwald


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/g/glenngreen612882.html#oGEpMweEj70RMCS6.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
41. John Perkins on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 12:56 AM
Jul 2014


Basically, what Economic Hit Men are trained to do is to build up the American empire. To create situations where as many resources as possible flow into this country, to our corporations, and our government, and in fact we've been very successful.

John Perkins


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johnperkin235687.html#8ma0Lm5L60U8P8e7.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
42. Alex Gibney on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 12:58 AM
Jul 2014


When it comes to governments and corporations, we should demand that less is secret. That's where corruption flowers.

Alex Gibney


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/alexgibney619973.html#FKEGpGEGel1xMPGW.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
43. Brian De Palma on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 01:00 AM
Jul 2014


And we've become very doubtful of our information sources, because they're all controlled by these huge multilateral corporations.

Brian De Palma


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/b/briandepal273432.html#QJH0e7Tf7ValFDzX.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
44. Neill Blomkamp on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 01:02 AM
Jul 2014


I like where we're going with technology and global integration, but the fact that corporations and dollars rule everything in our lives, I don't like it. This isn't the Hollywood I wanted to be part of.

Neill Blomkamp


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/n/neillblomk577411.html#6PgokLCrozz5q0TE.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
45. David Plouffe on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 01:04 AM
Jul 2014


The American people are screaming out saying it's unfair that the wealthiest, the largest corporations who can afford the best attorneys, the best accountants, take advantage of these special tax treatments that the lobbyists have, along with lawmakers, have cooked in the books here.

David Plouffe


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/d/davidplouf416591.html#zXVbXwsSZmwL1lbm.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
46. Ron Kind on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 01:07 AM
Jul 2014


In a time of serious budget deficits, immense war costs and a sluggish economy, we cannot afford to grant such outlandish subsidies to some of our Nation's largest corporations.

Ron Kind


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/r/ronkind259129.html#TrdTGp7OAieGTaHZ.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
47. Don Tapscott on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 01:09 AM
Jul 2014


The blanket assertion that corporations are people obfuscates the complex issues at play in the changing business world. Corporation are institutions. People are people.

Don Tapscott


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/d/dontapscot564029.html#bLjb8hVG5wMSqzq8.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
49. Richard Trumka on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 01:10 AM
Jul 2014


Time after time we're told corporations should have freedom from pesky job safety regulations, environmental protections and labor standards - giving working people the freedom to be crushed in collapsing mines, choke on filthy air and get paid too little to live on.

Richard Trumka


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/r/richardtru449163.html#PbUHmMCscA3d7Up9.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
50. Zac Goldsmith on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 01:12 AM
Jul 2014


More than half the world's largest 100 economies are corporations. They have no loyalties to place or citizens.

Zac Goldsmith


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/z/zacgoldsmi619647.html#rqL1AYQ3AI3f20iV.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
51. Frances O'Grady on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 01:14 AM
Jul 2014


It is not natural or inevitable that half the world goes hungry; that the freedom of markets trumps protection of the planet; or that citizens' rights come second to those of corporations.

Frances O'Grady


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/f/francesog459530.html#Z845airI4mOfJoQo.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
52. Russ Feingold on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 01:16 AM
Jul 2014


The idea of allowing corporations to have unlimited influence on our democracy is very dangerous, obviously.

Russ Feingold


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/r/russfeingo502195.html#7LeCwlby0MsHv1gM.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
53. Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 01:18 AM
Jul 2014


The corporations and the media don't need power; they already have it.

Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero


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Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
54. Barry Commoner on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 01:20 AM
Jul 2014


In every case, the environmental hazards were made known only by independent scientists, who were often bitterly opposed by the corporations responsible for the hazards.

Barry Commoner


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/b/barrycommo260810.html#vhRKSRtWDcvrdIKt.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
56. Alex Cox on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 01:23 AM
Jul 2014


The way that a handful of corporations in Los Angeles dictate how our stories are told creates a real poverty of imagination and it's a big problem.

Alex Cox


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/alexcox260750.html#ETTfrdpzLGq1Dp6D.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
57. Amity Shlaes on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 01:25 AM
Jul 2014


The result of the collaborative culture is that corporations or government institutions focus intensely on internal culture and pour their energy into achieving minuscule policy changes relating to workplace efficiency, gender or race.

Amity Shlaes


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/amityshlae550003.html#qc8LOdf6xW2oRGRZ.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
58. John Maeda on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 01:27 AM
Jul 2014


Corporations today, by their razor sharp focus on the 'bottom line' and quarterly earnings, have lost their ability to innovate.

John Maeda


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johnmaeda526251.html#40IyeyDU4HW6lcjj.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
59. Susan George on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 01:29 AM
Jul 2014


What is not fair now is that corporations pay less and less tax, which means that you and I pay more because we're rooted somewhere, they've got our address, right?

Susan George


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/s/susangeorg245181.html#SZ2d8jXRl73wcWeQ.99

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
60. conservative policy is to remove decision making from
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 01:31 AM
Jul 2014

juries and people to corporate appointees. Judges and arbitrators.

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
61. Michael Nutter on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 01:32 AM
Jul 2014


I'm honored to serve as mayor of my hometown where our founders started America with three simple words: 'We, the people.' And when they said 'people' they didn't mean 'corporations.'

Michael Nutter


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/michaelnut503803.html#XXJdLTTeH8bVZKue.99



Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
63. Gloria Reuben on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 01:36 AM
Jul 2014


Corporations are poisoning our air and water while at the same time lining the pockets of elected officials with political contributions.

Gloria Reuben


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/g/gloriareub517718.html#GubEQrdgCZAQJWde.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
64. John Perkins part 2 on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 01:38 AM
Jul 2014


I was initially recruited while I was in business school back in the late sixties by the National Security Agency, the nation's largest and least understood spy organization; but ultimately I worked for private corporations.

John Perkins


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johnperkin235698.html#sjSGJkECumzGdocm.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
65. Chellie Pingree on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 01:41 AM
Jul 2014


It's crazy that the Constitution has to be amended to clarify what for the majority of Americans is a clear and true statement: corporations are not people.

Chellie Pingree


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/c/chelliepin622551.html#i4Ee8dGTAvo5p5bb.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
66. Tony Gilroy on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 01:43 AM
Jul 2014


Corporations are like countries now, there's a king, there are serfs, there's a court, basically everything but moats. They're feudal societies, and there are good ones and bad ones.

Tony Gilroy


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/tonygilroy450613.html#UWMfI1Cs7QscDScw.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
67. Jon Tester on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 01:45 AM
Jul 2014


I think corporations are a whole lot different than people. I mean, I don't know a corporation would be put in prison. I do know people would be put in prison.

Jon Tester


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/jontester524937.html#AVSk8o7MhF9hI1fX.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
68. Andy Stern on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 01:48 AM
Jul 2014


Republicans have been very successful. There are three things Americans don't like: big unions, big government and big corporations. So Republicans go after big government and big unions, and only talk about small businesses.

Andy Stern


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/andystern440555.html#bI8mqBGQm4H0HSeW.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
69. Peter Bart on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 01:50 AM
Jul 2014


It's only in relatively recent years that Hollywood became the playground of multinational corporations which regard movies and TV shows as a minor irritant to their overall activity.

Peter Bart


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Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
70. Michael Bennet on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 01:52 AM
Jul 2014


If we, as individuals, want to keep control of our democracy - rather than have a government paid for by corporate interest checks - then we have to fight back now and make sure our system reflects the belief that people, not corporations, control our democracy.

Michael Bennet


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/michaelben623909.html#xpJcwXqRoMAR4KKZ.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
71. George Noory on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 01:54 AM
Jul 2014


I have never run for political office, but every night I am reaching out to millions of Americans on the radio and I am deeply concerned that the middle class of the United States is being sold out to multi-national corporations with a globalist agenda.

George Noory


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/g/georgenoor448703.html#RXV2tmTArQ7IGl4f.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
72. Ruth J. Simmons on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 01:56 AM
Jul 2014


I often say that shareholders should feel very responsible for how responsive corporations are to the public trust.

Ruth J. Simmons


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/r/ruthjsimm506174.html#0To1j2f3C9ldtD4L.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
73. Scott Peters on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 02:02 AM
Jul 2014


Corporations are a fictional entity that are designed to make money, and they're neither people nor patriots.

Scott Peters


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Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
74. Shepard Fairey on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 02:05 AM
Jul 2014


The problem with copyright enforcement is that when the parameters aren't incredibly well defined, it means big corporations, who have deeper pockets and better lawyers, can bully people.

Shepard Fairey


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/s/shepardfai624137.html#fPAzX0yHZCMpT0Mk.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
75. Jim McGovern on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 02:07 AM
Jul 2014


A large majority of Americans believe that corporations exert too much influence on our daily lives and our political process.

Jim McGovern


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Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
76. Jim McGovern part 2 on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 02:10 AM
Jul 2014


Corporations are created by the people, acting through their governments. We grant them corporate charters that confer certain legal rights and privileges, like the ability to enter into contracts, limited liability and perpetual life.

Jim McGovern


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/jimmcgover628190.html#CKgqaDSrdI7opYhq.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
77. Theodore Roosevelt on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 02:33 AM
Jul 2014


The great corporations which we have grown to speak of rather loosely as trusts are the creatures of the State, and the State not only has the right to control them, but it is duty bound to control them wherever the need of such control is shown.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Theodore_Roosevelt

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
78. Franklin Roosevelt on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 02:39 AM
Jul 2014


In my Inaugural I laid down the simple proposition that nobody is going to starve in this country. It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By "business" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living.

Franklin Roosevelt's Statement on the National Industrial Recovery Act (16 June 1933)[1]

The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson — and I am not wholly excepting the Administration of W. W. The country is going through a repetition of Jackson's fight with the Bank of the United States — only on a far bigger and broader basis.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
79. Elizabeth Warren on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 02:45 AM
Jul 2014


Look around. Oil companies guzzle down the billions in profits. Billionaires pay a lower tax rate than their secretaries, and Wall Street CEOs, the same ones the direct our economy and destroyed millions of jobs still strut around Congress, no shame, demanding favors, and acting like we should thank them. Does anyone here have a problem with that?

Elizabeth Warren


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Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
80. Elizabeth Warren part 2 on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 02:48 AM
Jul 2014


It is critical that the American people, and not just their financial institutions, be represented at the negotiating table.

Elizabeth Warren


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Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
81. Al Gore on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 02:55 AM
Jul 2014


While President Bush likes to project an image of strength and courage, the real truth is that in the presence of his large financial contributors, he is a moral coward.

Al Gore


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Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
82. Al Gore part 2 on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 02:57 AM
Jul 2014


For a free country to continue thriving, there have to be regular reforms, because any society, any economy that stays in place, you're going to see repeated attempts to exploit the openings for twisting policy to the advantage of those who already have wealth and power.

Al Gore


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/algore586392.html#23pF5XmVE3LWXJ3B.99

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
83. Al Gore part 3 on corporate power.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 03:00 AM
Jul 2014


The Congress is virtually incapable of passing any reforms unless they first get permission from the powerful special interests who are most affected by the proposal.

Al Gore


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Romulox

(25,960 posts)
91. Yep. And time has proven him utterly, hopelessly wrong on NAFTA.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 12:45 PM
Jul 2014

What's distressing is his lack of contrition for supporting such horrible policies. It's like he wants to redefine himself as a "populist" without acknowledging his horrible errors.

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
92. Time has only proven that NAFTA is a mixed bag and that was with Bush in the White House for
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 12:55 PM
Jul 2014

eight years.

There is nothing more "populist" than the Internet and Al Gore was the leading political champion for opening that up to the American People.

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
102. Some people literally can't see the forest for the trees because they're too close to their favorite
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 04:36 PM
Jul 2014

or most detested tree and that's all they can see.

I believe you have your nose stuck up against the NAFTA Tree.

Now you could've went after Thomas Jefferson or Andrew Jackson for being slave owners or for committing atrocities against Native Americans but you didn't. The fact is they spoke truth regardiing corporate power and that's the message of this thread.

What Al Gore said about corporate power was truth, even you can't argue with that, so instead you attack the messenger even when he speaks the truth, that you would otherwise agree with. I believe your bitterness has clouded your judgment.

It's not that Al Gore "could" speak truth, it's that he did.

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
104. I'm sorry that you don't consider slavery and atrocities agianst Native Americans "a big deal" but
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 05:03 PM
Jul 2014

Last edited Wed Jul 9, 2014, 07:25 PM - Edit history (2)

apparently you don't.

I do consider those issues and their long time aftermath as big deals, but I also recognize the truth of those men's statements regarding the threat of corporate power.

I posted Ralph Nader's quote on this thread as well and many consider him a contributing cause to Bush coming to power, willing to cut off his nose to spite his face, although I don't consider him as the prime cause, that distinction goes to the corporate media, Florida's shenangans with the vote and the S.C.

Speaking of Ralph Nader, did you know he stood in line to get Al Gore's autographed book; "An Inconvenient Truth" Ralph was #214.

I posted another quote on this thread attacking NAFTA, that doesn't make their overall message untrue because I disagree with their opinion regarding that particular policy.

I don't see the world as black and white so much as having shades of gray.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
105. I guess *you* support drowning puppies
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 09:15 AM
Jul 2014

since I haven't seen you speak out against the practice!

What a ridiculous form of "argument" you have been reduced to. Enjoy your cognitive dissonance/corporatist politics though!

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
107. No one I quoted on this thread supports or supported drowning puppies, at least to my knowledge, but
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 11:52 AM
Jul 2014

the same can't be said for slavery and committing atrocities against the Native Americans, those facts are well known.

You skipped right over them finding no objection until you got to Al Gore and instead of focussing on the message of the OP and thread, regarding the dangers of corporate power, you felt the overwhelming need to derail the argument.

But I do appreciate you kicking the thread.


johnnyreb

(915 posts)
106. Senator Fritz Hollings (D-S.C., 1966-2005) on corporate power
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 10:20 AM
Jul 2014
U.S. companies went over there in the Pacific rim and found out they could produce more economically there. They did not have that Congress bunch running after them with plant closing notice, parental leave, workplace safety, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, EPA, minimum wage, and up, up, and away.

They could breathe, and say, "Well, we got over here and we sure don't have a Congress to worry about. We can get a guaranteed profit."

Now, that is the way business works. Business is business. That is the way I wish I could run, on a guaranteed vote. They love to run on a guaranteed profit.

And as they went into these foreign countries, those governments, instead of burdening them, protected them. And as they protected them with guaranteed profits, the nationals became multinationals with the help of the big banks, City Corp., Chase Manhattan, Bank of America, and so on.

And that crowd, incidently, became multinational, too. As of 1977, the majority of money-center bank profits were beginning to be made outside of the United States, rather than in the United States. They are very astute operators.

And, of course, they banded together in think tank groups, most prominently the Trilateral Commission.

If you ever run for President, you get very wonderful, embossed invitations from the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission, and you get the coffee and fine china, and, man, you are really a high muckety-muck.

And then what they do is get you to swear on the altar of free trade an undying loyalty and support---free trade, free trade. That is all they want. And they co-opt [make them members] every one of these young Senators that want to run for President.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/08/02/561083/-What-a-Democrat-Sounds-Like-Bill-Moyers-Interviews-Fritz-Hollings



(That's right: South Carolina...)

calimary

(81,298 posts)
108. OMG! An absolute treasury of good quotes!
Wed Dec 6, 2023, 10:46 PM
Dec 2023

I use a quote every week to start out our Indivisible group's Call to Action email. This list will certainly come in handy!

THANKS, Uncle Joe!

Any other issues you're gonna handle in this same way?

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
109. Thank you calimary. I'm glad that you found them of use
Wed Dec 6, 2023, 11:32 PM
Dec 2023

You never know, it was just kind of a spur of the moment thing.

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