Why I like Hillary Clinton over Elizabeth Warren

[Harmony Blue]

I have been asked why do I support Clinton over Warren and the biggest reason why is that her experience in dealing and negotiating on the world stage simply is an important part of being the President of the United States IMO. Warren does have an edge over Clinton about our domestic economic problems and the global economic problems as a whole. But the United States has to resolve a lot of diplomatic problems world wide primarily so we can move forward as a nation and focus inward. We shouldn't become isolationist all of sudden without trying to solve a lot of problems (that we made a mess of) being resolved in a responsible manner worldwide.

There is another belief of mine and that is that the Senate and House hold more weight in making changes at home possible. So, I think Senator Warren can do a lot more working through the Senate in fixing our domestic problems and I view the Presidency one more tailor made for global/diplomatic problem solving. Ideally having a combination of Clinton/Warren would be a Dream Team, but that isn't likely.

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[el_bryanto]

1. One could argue that Hillary Clinton has been largely supportive American Military Adventurism

though. She basically sees us as having a mission to help out the world and protect our interests abroad, which includes a military component.

I also don't know that she will be much better than Obama on the Surveillance State, but then again, I don't know if Warren will either.

Bryant

[NYC_SKP]

2. "resolve a lot of diplomatic problems world wide primarily so we can move forward as a nation"

I feel the opposite is true, we are weaker for having been "global", wasting capital on wars, playing world cop.

We need, IMHO, to stop that shit and get back to taking care of our people, we need to get back to our roots and rebuild the middle class.

It doesn't mean we need to stop participating in world events.

Once we rebuild we will be better prepared to help others.

[Doctor_J]

6. Yeah, that's just a red herring talking point

the last 8 words of it are comically trite and misguided - something a fan club member might put on the end of any sentence. The entire sentence you quoted ignores the facts that

1. A whole lot of "diplomatic problems" don't have a solution, and
2. Of the ones that do, our interjection may or may not help, and
3. Of those, some are more costly in money and political capital than they're worth.

When choosing between Warren and Clinton (only), you pretty much need to decide if you think the path the nation is on right now is a correct one. If so, HRC is probably your choice. If not, she's not.

[betterdemsonly]

3. Except she is likely to govern as democratic neocon

Her foreign policy creds are a joke when you consider she has pushed policies most Dems don't like. Intervention in Syria, and the Ukraine. Funding for Isis. Close Association with neocons like Kagan and his wife Victoria Nuland, whom Clinton helped make Assistant Sec of State. She admits to being wrong about Iraq but still pursues the neocon program against Iran, Syria and Russia. If you believe war is a racket, supporting Hillary is pretty self destructive. As for a dream team. I don't want Hillary pushing Warren to the right of foreign and economic policy like she did Obama. Most of Obama's worst appointments were encouraged by the Clintonistas he hired.

[mwrguy]

30. this. n/t

[bigtree]

4. that's good sound reasoning

. . . I do think, though, that we've yet to see how capable Warren is with foreign and military policy.

Clinton did serious and involved duty on the Senate Armed Services Committee, as well as her tenure as SoS which I think gives her that edge in understanding and relating with that community of government and military officials. Still, all Warren really has to do is articulate a sound and reasonable policy, if she decides to run, and I think she could be competitive with folks who are looking for a fresh approach to those issues.

Hillary is already deep into her own foreign policy expressions and actions and some may be intractable for her, politically.

[Beacool]

5. Warren is a one issue politician who never ran for politics until she barely won her Senate seat

in a very blue state. I like and respect her, but she should stay where she is. Why is it that for almost any job in the world experience is valued, expect when it comes to the presidency?

Yeah, let's keep putting there people who don't know how to handle Congress or world leaders. We do not live in a dictatorship. How would Warren or Sanders get anything accomplished without any Congressional help. Just expounding ad nauseam about economic inequalities is not going to accomplish squat. How many bills have these two managed to get through Congress in their current positions?

Experience DOES matter in life. Do I agree with Hillary 100% on everyone of her stance on the issues? No, but I want someone in office who can kick ass and knows where every skeleton is buried.

[MannyGoldstein]

8. In you opinion, what were the 5 most important things that Hillary got done

in her 20+ years in the national spotlight?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

10. *

marking this spot to read later the answers that I hope are provided for this question and the other one below ....

will be back later.

thanks for the two questions.

[bvar22]

13. While she was Senator Hillary, she lead the charge against...

1) Flag Burning
&
2) Violent Video Games,

...so you gotta give her those two!

[Armstead]

15. Hillary first started running when her eperience was aboutthe same as Warren's

Except Warren ws neer First Lady.

Otherwise, Clinton was also relatively inexperienced when she started being touted and actively seeking the presidency.

[MannyGoldstein]

7. What would you say were Hillary's 5 greatest successes

that she negotiated on the world stage?

[Little Star]

18. Hillary Clinton's 9 most memorable moments as secretary of state...

http://theweek.com/article/index/239378/hillary-clintons-9-most-memorable-moments-as-secretary-of-state

[MannyGoldstein]

23. Am I missing something?

Are those negotiated acheivements or memorable moments?

[antigop]

25. she played a leading part in drafting the TPP

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101667554

[antigop]

27. ask Boeing....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017187035

[stillwaiting]

9. On whose behalf is HRC negotiating?

The answer should be obvious.

She has strongly supported an increase in H-1B visas, and she has been one of the main architects for the creation and implementation of the TPP.

There are so many other things she has done that shows that HRC is indeed very effective at negotiating with other nations. On behalf of the major corporations bottom lines. This is NOT good for the average American. Period.

[Little Star]

21. Links to show what you claim about the TPP??? Thanks

[moondust]

11. Well...

if she's a DLC global corporatist who acts primarily on behalf of Wall Street and other financial markets around the world (NAFTA, Glass-Steagall, TPP, TAFTA, etc) then she's likely to make things even worse for 99% of people--on a global scale thanks to her global connections.

[Comrade Grumpy]

12. Run, Bernie, run!

[daleanime]

26. Amen....

[beerandjesus]

14. Hats off to you for laying it out there and making an affirmative case.

For the record, I'm firmly in the Warren/Sanders camp, and my opinion of HRC is not that high. But I very much appreciate that you're presenting an argument, rather than pretending that HRC and Warren are entirely in agreement, or screaming about inevitability, or something equally annoying. Hope that doesn't sound sarcastic, because I mean it!

[MoonchildCA]

16. We often elect governors with no foreign policy experience. n/t

[rock]

17. Yes, I made a similar choice when she ran against Obama

That is I chose Hilary whom I knew versus Obama who was unknown an relatively inexperienced. Luckily Obama worked out fairly well. Once again if I have to decide between an inexperienced candidate and Hilary, I choose Hilary.

[Little Star]

19. Exactly!

[okasha]

29. Obama has steadied and done much better

in his second term, but there were some notable disasters in his first four years.

The Oval Office is no place for OJT. I'd rather have practical experience than ideological purity.

[lightcameron]

20. She's electable.

Warren or Sanders would lose.

[daleanime]

31. I disagree...

very much the reverse.

[hfojvt]

22. other than not invading them

I don't concern myself that much about what the President does with other countries.

Hillary, of course, favored the invasion when I was against it.

I am not seeing her vast repository of wisdom on the world stage there.

[cali]

24. lol. yeah, look how right hillary got Iraq. fucking craven political bullshit.

corporate shill for president! vote HRC!

NEVER.

[blue neen]

28. Kudos to you for putting your opinion, and reasons for it, out there.

Here's hoping you don't get too much flack for doing so.

The 2016 Presidential race is not something I'm ready to make decisions on yet. We have a very important Governor's race in Pennsylvania this year and some fairly competitive House races, also. They are of utmost importance right now. Tom Corbett has got to go!

[yortsed snacilbuper]

32. Nobody's perfect!

[sendero]

33. Some prefer hamburger...

..... to filet mignon but not me. We need to get OFF the "world stage" and fix the glaring problems at home for a change.