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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf DU doesn't believe in our justice system
then our party is in trouble moving forward.
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Harmony Blue
(3,978 posts)I don't believe the Supreme Court is corrupt or a racket.
Our justice system isn't perfect but it is a cornerstone of our democracy.
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)If you're anyone else, especially if you are a racial, ethnic or religious minority or if you are poor or female or gay or bi or trans (and so on and so forth), the "justice" system is quite possibly the most inappropriately named institution in history.
Why are your words ironic? Because you on some fundamental level recognize the systemic corruption associated with our military industrial complex yet are apparently totally blind to systemized prejudice and outright violence inherent in our justice system.
I would laugh at your words if they weren't so goddamn terrifying.
Harmony Blue
(3,978 posts)then how do you propose you change the system if you don't believe in it in the first place?
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)This discussion cannot continue until we qualify such terminology.
Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)It's the Pukes who want to re-fight the civil war. They want to dismantle the federal government piece by piece. The only thing they want the federal government to do is run the military. Look those same justices admitted the Affordable Care Act was Constitutional and the law of the land. Now suddenly a "protected religious class," (ie fundamentalist Christians) is allowed to pick and choose what US laws they will follow and which they won't?
That is hardly supportive of any version of Federalism that I've ever heard of.
In addition as Supreme Court justices they are sworn to uphold the constitution, a document which is pretty clear about establishing a government endorsed religiously favored class. Unless they are going to allow Muslims, Jews, Satanists, Wiccans, Buddhists to opt out of participating in laws based on their religious beliefs, then this is exactly what this decision does.
If the justices who voted in favor of Hobby Lobby of ignoring the law, can't fulfill their oath and their duty to put their personal religious beliefs on the back burner and put the Constitution first, then perhaps they should resign or be impeached, either works for this federalist.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)BainsBane
(53,041 posts)Citizens United? Did you agree with those? Or is it only the decisions denying equal rights to women that you feel compelled to champion?
Trayvon Martin? Geronimo Pratt? The Memphis three? The list goes on.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)BainsBane
(53,041 posts)It's a continuation of his last one. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025177737
And who could forget this gem? http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024995511
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)Somehow I missed that first one. The second one I'm still trying to forget.
Cha
(297,495 posts)Joy Reid ✔ @JoyAnnReid
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I don't know if I would have Hidden it though.. it was a dumb question but it was being answered with intelligence.
Mahalo BB
Number23
(24,544 posts)And that is TRULY saying something given the quality of that thread.
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)There wouldn't be enough room on all of DU for the complete list.
Harmony Blue
(3,978 posts)but outright disgust with our justice system is counterproductive for the long haul IMO.
BainsBane
(53,041 posts)Is coming on a Democrat Discussion board and seeking to justify a decision that undermines civil rights for women. People are complaining about a decision, a decision you think is no problem. What you consider no problem is offensive to anyone who gives a damn about civil rights. We are progressives who believe in equal rights for all, not male supremacy, and not discrimination against women.
That you again seek to justify a decision by he most reactionary court in US history should surprise no one, but it is nonetheless revolting. You have now twice created OPs that are insulting to every woman on this site as well as many men who do not consider women's rights incidental. This OP a continuation of yesterday's. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025177737 Before you set out to justify a mass murderer, now it's depriving women of equal protection under the law. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024995511
You fool no one. Most of us have known this for a long time, but you have made the mistake of continuing to show yourself when people are actually paying attention.
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.
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Tetris_Iguana
(501 posts)I believe that it is corrupt as all heck just like the other branches.
Better than many countries, worse than others, but overall somewhat adequate.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,018 posts)bluesbassman
(19,378 posts)donco
(1,548 posts)be unlikely that DU, as a whole, would agree that UP is the opposite of DOWN lately.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)The corporate influence is a lot bigger problem than DUers being upset by a wrongheaded ruling.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)But all the sudden a decision goes against the rights of women and you're a great believer in American justice?
bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)Perfect reply! and yes,
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)Just wanted to say I love your sig line. It's so true.
myrna minx
(22,772 posts)Voltaire is a favorite. Good to see you.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)The bullshit has been exposed big time.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Remember the time you felt sorry for the Isla Vista shooter and his white male pain? That's a rhetorical question.
Harmony Blue
(3,978 posts)But since we are on a minor tangent: Morgan Freeman is a hero to me because he understands the big picture. While Tupac was brilliant with music his criminal past (sexually abusing a woman) is not a man to be celebrated or to hold in high regard IMO.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Last edited Thu Jul 3, 2014, 01:04 AM - Edit history (1)
I have one.
Thomas Jefferson held humans in bondage even using one to serve his sexual needs and creating children with a woman he held power of life and death over. He even held children as slaves in bondage for a time.
I think Tupac owned up to his faults and served his time in prison for his crime or rape , while Thomas Jefferson gets a free pass and is called a founding father. I find it shameful that we spit on Tupacs grave for his crime, while sanctifying the lecherous slave owner and placing him on a pedestal. He and his group of founders were supporters of the Native American genocide and the Violent human trafficking trade and we call what they did good and expect black children to respect these dirty old rapists since those who they oppressed and abused looked like them. Black and brown.
I love tangental threads sometimes.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)I love your posts. They always cut through the BS and tell the truth of how things really are.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)This guy likes the attention.
We give it to him every time, and every time i do it feel like an asshole for playing his game.
Always bringing up Tupac. I posted one video from him,and one from 2chainz, and you'd think i nominated them for president. Old money dudes get all types of pedestals to stand on,no matter what crimes of great magnitude they commit, no jail time, we make them leaders.praise their names. Young black men can do their time, try to rehabilitate in the system set up fir them to fail, and we shit on them.
cali
(114,904 posts)sheshe2
(83,846 posts)Yikes bravenak...move over on that couch. I'm joining you.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I bet this goes on for a while. He does this on purpose and we fall for it all the time.
sheshe2
(83,846 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)We should all go do something productive rather than feeding this particular tr...person.
sheshe2
(83,846 posts)However this kinda comic relief.
BainsBane
(53,041 posts)He gets away with a lot because jurors fall for the veneer of civility, only dismissing the rights of over half the population is not civil, any more that trying to rationalize the MRA ramblings of a homicidal psycho-killer in California is.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)sheshe2
(83,846 posts)Figured I use this for some down time. Cause gotta say the "topic" of the OP is pretty
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I am surprised he is still here. I tried to get a post hidden by jury that he wrote once. Didn't work. I'll never try again. He obviously know more about black people than black people and the jury agreed. Love du juries sometimes. I will save that post forever.
I rewrote chapter one, i should send it to you.
sheshe2
(83,846 posts)I'm on vacation and could use some excellent reading material!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)But i won't since i hate everything i write.
sheshe2
(83,846 posts)Thanks for sending it to me. Can't wait.
And no don't waste it here. Stop hating what you write, it's very good.....I'll PM you tomorrow after I read it.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)See ya around tomorrow!
Squinch
(50,989 posts)Cause your party and mine are over here on the left.
sheshe2
(83,846 posts)I was frightened there for a moment.
FSogol
(45,514 posts)On DU, liberals and progressives are unhappy with the USSC decision and are discussing legal methods for changing it. These legal methods are all part of our legal/justice system and are described in the Constitution and our laws.
Compare that with puke, repubs, tea-idiots and their ilk, that promote 2nd amendment remedies, lynchings, using Federal property without paying the fees, and removing rights from people they don't like.
If you agree and support the 2nd group and their methods, you really made a wrong turn somewhere.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)harsh suggestions here for GZ during that trial . . .
we are certainly not totally innocent
FSogol
(45,514 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)some were quite disturbing
obviously had absolutely no confidence in our system of justice and preferred justice-by-mob
Squinch
(50,989 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)Squinch
(50,989 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)you are the one who introduced the "action" of "going after" Zimmerman, not me . . . remember?
Squinch
(50,989 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)Last edited Fri Jul 4, 2014, 09:15 AM - Edit history (2)
Your attempt at being cute fell quite short.
And some nonsensical post about "going after Zimmerman"??? What was that all about - I mentioned a lynch-mob "mentality", that was all.
yes - that mentality existed imo . . .
I think I hit a sensitive nerve . . .
sheshe2
(83,846 posts)Are you fricking serious? SCOTUS is the most partisan group of hacks that are owned lock stock and yes barrel by their corporate sponsors.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Squinch
(50,989 posts)I posted almost exactly the same thing!
Seriously, this nonsense is nauseating, and it seems to be washing over DU in waves.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Sickening crap and it has no place here.
sheshe2
(83,846 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)sheshe2
(83,846 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Squinch
(50,989 posts)who ought to be walking around without our shirts on ha ha ha.
Honestly, I don't know who moved the rock so they could crawl out from under it, but I wish they would put it back.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Squinch
(50,989 posts)purpose than to incite. I think it is quite intentional and very, ahem, professionally done.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)But I agree with the intentional part.
Squinch
(50,989 posts)said "profitable."
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)You can't just fling them around like that.
Squinch
(50,989 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Thing is, they're not fooling anyone, anymore.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)but one person's interpretation is not often another person's actual motivation. I think we see assumed motivation in the Religion group fairly often.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)as pResident. It would not have been tolerated then, but now? Pro extreme MRA juries can be found on DU and it truly makes DU suck.
BainsBane
(53,041 posts)It's a weak way of saying you shouldn't complain about something as trivial of undermining women's rights under the law.
And who could forget this gem? http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024995511
Squinch
(50,989 posts)billy goats trying to cross a bridge.
The only thing I can think of, if that's their angle, is really fucked up.
reddread
(6,896 posts)thats trouble.
Harmony Blue
(3,978 posts)though but it isn't a guarantee of anything. Elections indeed do have consequences however and why the Democratic party should not become apathetic or disillusioned with all the branches of our government.
reddread
(6,896 posts)apathy is believing things are good enough.
the voting booth means as little as a corrupt system of justice will allow.
so then, back to my previous post...
Response to Harmony Blue (Original post)
woo me with science This message was self-deleted by its author.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)all activists selectively believe in the justice system
Harmony Blue
(3,978 posts)as we put our trust in the justice system to address injustice. It isn't perfect but you can't throw all of it out the window because of some rulings you don't agree with.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)this ruling is absurd and certainly every female justice thought so too
hatrack
(59,592 posts)Bush v. Gore . . . So many wondrous examples of wise, thoughtful and well-founded Supreme Court decisions.
BootinUp
(47,177 posts)are in positions of power.
Squinch
(50,989 posts)LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)FSogol
(45,514 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I believe that our Legislative Branch, scared as hell of Wall Street, was contaminated further by the Justice System Citizen's United...
That leaves the Executive without a balance of powers
Hmmm
Wall Street
Where's are those comfortable shoes?
Here's what Smedly Butler revealed of his wisdom after being caught up on behalf balance of powers -
"I spent 33 years...being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer for capitalism....
"I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1916. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City [Bank] boys to collect revenue in. I helped in the rape of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street....
"In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested....I had...a swell racket. I was rewarded with honors, medals, promotions....I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate a racket in three cities. The Marines operated on three continents..."
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)I expected you to be PPRed by now.
reddread
(6,896 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Bad juju in my life right now. DU is a place for me to argue and forget it.
My mother in law is in ICU awaiting a liver transplant. She's on dialysis, a vent tube, and a feeding tube. Dialysis is in her neck and her main IV is now in her neck.
She's borderline stable for a transplant if one comes and it will be a double transplant of a liver and a kidney.
As of right now, she has about two weeks of life left. She's classed 1A and gets the first donor available nationwide.
So yeah, I admit I've got some issues and I suspect I'll start an apology thread right after what will happen actually happens because I've taken a lot of this shit out on fellow DUers, even though I shouldn't have.
Oh, and the real kick in the teeth here, this has nothing to do with alcohol consumption, nor anything to do with her lifestyle.
See, a lazy doctor who basically got tired of seeing her constantly for unrinary tract infections prescribed this drug called nitrofurantoin on an ongoing basis. Seems this lazy doctor failed to inform her (or had no clue) that one of the side effects in women of advanced age is liver damage and she should be getting regular (at least every six months) liver enzyme level tests. Sadly, she was on this drug for about eighteen months when about 6 weeks ago a routine test by another doctor showed her liver ezyme levels were too high.
Long story short, the second doctor failed to connect the nitrofurantoin as a potential cause and another two weeks went by. During that time, my Mother in law went on a trip and, to be certain she didn't have an occurrence of the recurring UTI, took this drug for a week prior.
She gets back, has another test, and they send her to the hospital immediately.
Downhill slide since then, and all of it could have been avoided had the first lazy doctor had her come in for some blood work a year ago, noticed some elevated liver enzyme levels, and gone a different route for treatment of the UTI.
It goes without saying my wife is beside herself over this.
So yeah, I've been an asshole lately. I admit it.
reddread
(6,896 posts)Putting aside a medical system which is screwed almost any way you slice it, I sure wish the best to you and your loved ones.
Life appears to be one long or short lesson in struggle and suffering.
Mostly, I just wish to defend your right to be an asshole, for whatever reason you like.
and of course, so many others deserve the same opportunity.
We should be aiming for common ground, solidarity and never settle for the shit they are selling.
I saw exactly what end of life care is like for my mother, but her being as stubborn as she is,
she disappointed them. Its a staggering thing to realize how much medical care our population needs,
and to think what our demographics are about to do in that regard.
We have no choice but to move towards a different approach and must wrest control from the money go round that
is Big Pharm/Insurers/Medical.
Best of luck and warmest wishes!
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)I think most of DU and I are right in line with what needs to be done.
I further think the only differences between me and some of DU is in how we get there from here. I tend to accept that everything I believe in and everything I think should be there right now, will probably never happen in the time I have left (I'm 51).
But I'm sure as hell up for us getting as far as we can before I check out!
I also understand a slower approach from Obama than would have been necessary from Hillary in 2008 was needed. Obama was the political equivalent of JAckie Robinson and he couldn't go as far as any of us would have liked. He had to hold back. He couldn't go all pissed off over the GOP bullshit, just like Jackie Robinson couldn't scream back at the hecklers.
This set us back some as far as how far we could take things.
This also paves the way for a Hillary presidency that pushes back on everything because the war on women was inevitable with a weaker Dem president than we would ahve preferred (due to no other reason than race).
Hillary will now be able to step into an iron lady role as president and will be able to push things further than any Dem has ever been able to.
I know she gets a lot of shit from DUers, but I truly believe a Hillary presidency will be the most progressive presidency in history because Obama will have paved the way for a white woman to step in and throw the remaining bullshit of the GOP into the dustbin pf history.
We still won't get all we want, but we will progress more between now and 2024 than this country has ever progressed in its entire history.
Bill Clinton paved the way with making a Dem president popular, and with a popularity that withstood the test of time.
George W. Bush reminded the nation fo why Dems are better as the president than Republicans.
Barack Obama breeched the race issue in an honest and pragmatic way that set the stage for the future.
And Hillary Clinton is staged to become the single most liberal president of my life.
And that's really saying something. There really has not been a liberal president before Barack Obama in my lifetime. Yes, he's nowhere near as liberal as we need, but he's more liberal than Kennedy was. He's more liberal than Carter was. And he's definitely more liberal than Bill Clinton was.
And simply being president will pave the way for Hillary Clinton to be more liberal than Obama is.
Which will allow us to elect an even more liberal president in 2024, because the GOP is not coming back unless they ditch the regressives and let them have their third party ejaculation, which will set the GOP back for two decades at a minimum, four if they choose not to ditch the teabaggers. We'll move the entire nation even further to the left the longer the GOP holds onto the baggers, too.
Increments.
I's all about increments. I can accept that, but I do understand how frustrating the need for increments can be.
BootinUp
(47,177 posts)On a parallel earth in the Sliders series Hillary was the first Clinton President not Bill.
Also best wishes for your mother in law getting well.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)A Hillary as the first Clinton presidency would have had to be an even less progressive presidency than Bill's, simply due to demographics and political realities of the time.
I hope they took that into account.
BootinUp
(47,177 posts)I don't know, Hillary is different than Bill to be sure. They have different backgrounds and well, ways of looking at things. I think she is super.
Hey, Best wishes to your family during the tough time you are in. Hope your family member is taken good care of and recovers.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)All we need is the time and the donor. IF somebody else must pass, it would help our family immensely.
As a side note, I've been listed as an organ donor for the past 35 years (got my parents to sign when I was 16).
BootinUp
(47,177 posts)I am also listed, always thought it was important should something happen. When people do that they have thought about it and want to have something good come about for someone. Hope it does.
reddread
(6,896 posts)Having met some of their true, close friends locally,
and seeing the EXTREME conservatism (to be polite)
and despicable racism and abuse to employees from these
uber wealthy Wal Mart connected scions,
I will not mistake either of them for anything different.
Last time I brought this up, a poster challenged my facts.
Once I posted the familiar last name of these Arkies, there was only
dead silence in response.
They are not nice people, and that is all there is to it.
sorry.
to be clear, the nasty woman in this story is a very close friend of Hillary.
The ex-husband drove Bill around the area in his bus on his visit here.
These are their associates and close friends.
we are not.
There are other stories about our ex-president that reflect equally poorly
but how many of us have family members who have met them and
experienced his not so subtle peccadilloes?
They can really push their luck when voters of good faith have no solid insight.
BootinUp
(47,177 posts)for every shady person she has known, she probably knows 10 wonderful human beings. Of course she is hated by the right wingers, I mean viscerally. Its because they think she will be worse (more progressive) than Bill. You might try reading something about her that doesn't have a negative bias. I think you would be surprised if you knew more about her. Then also there is a video I posted in the Hillary group that has her recent speech where she lays out her personal views on things. Pretty good stuff.
reddread
(6,896 posts)these are not just acquaintances.
I know enough about her background to know
that she should be liberal and progressive.
We can always refer to her short voting record.
Her remarks.
We can be as upbeat as we want to, but we sure took a beating from the
work we know them by.
BootinUp
(47,177 posts)I just wanted to share my thoughts.
reddread
(6,896 posts)I'll stop short of sharing the reason for the disgusted response my family members felt when meeting the President
after my cousin's death in Saudi Arabia.
BootinUp
(47,177 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)seeing your closest relatives face morning noon and night on TV for a week.
Watching your mother sobbing live and in repeated national news clips during the memorial.
Finding out the President couldnt maintain decorum to the degree that
it appeared his mother and his widow were being sized up.
oops.
BootinUp
(47,177 posts)I find it somewhat implausible but thats just my bias.
Was this the terrorist bombing?
reddread
(6,896 posts)that was originally connected to some financial faucet on again agreement involving Bin Laden with the promise that no more in country attacks would occur, but somehow eventually evolved into a full blown Iranian incursion (at the height of the Bomb Iran hype ten years back) despite the complete lack of US involvement in investigating the quickly decapitated Saudi detainees.
And of course, despite all our Anti-terrorism BULLSHIT even that purported Iranian linked outrage was not worthy of recourse.
When the lies get so big, the last thing you will ever find is justice.
ask me about the perks and benefits of being a card carrying victim of terrorism, sometime.
BootinUp
(47,177 posts)its believed it was Bin Laden and not Iran? But still no 100% confirmation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khobar_Towers_bombing#Attribution_to_al-Qaeda
Now I can understand better where you are coming from. Thank You.
Your cousin's brave service will be remembered.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)things are starting to make sense now.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)So it seems.
Rex
(65,616 posts)If you believe our justice system as it is now, currently, the backbone of democracy - then I think you are one of the most naive or misinformed persons I've ever met on DU.
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)I guess one could be privileged and oblivious without a shred of intellectual curiosity or a hint of empathy.
Or stuck on the surface propaganda and what is on the books with no grasp on what actually happens that twists high minded ideals into cruel mockery of themselves.
Fuck if I can even imagine uttering in word or text that the Supreme Court isn't corrupt in any seriousness.
I think if I tried my tongue would go berserk and throttle my brain for trying to mouth such bullshit.
Justice? Shit, you must have lost it. Dick Cheney is on my TV and Chelsea Manning is in prison. Jamie Diamond gets White House lunches with a Democrat in office and millions are in jail for fucking weed.
Justice!
BootinUp
(47,177 posts)Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)bluedigger
(17,087 posts)So, who do you think wins American Idol this year?
Solly Mack
(90,779 posts)REP
(21,691 posts)Ilsa
(61,696 posts)fishwax
(29,149 posts)alp227
(32,047 posts)ecstatic
(32,727 posts)that suck. From corrupt cops, DAs, and judges to bigoted and/or dumb juries.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)You think it is fine and dandy to not cover women's birth control but to cover men's boner pills. Am I right? I'm sure I am, but I want to be clear on what you are really complaining about. I rarely see you outside of the feminist threads and all I see you doing in those is to complain about feminists and extol the virtues (as you seem to see it) of the MRA movement.
TBF
(32,084 posts)the fact that Dems are willing to be honest and call the Court on it's BS makes me feel better about supporting this party (I am a socialist and generally vote dem as the least horrible candidate).
I'll ask you straight out: "Do you support the Hobby Lobby decision?"
Let's see if you're honest enough to answer.
Harmony Blue
(3,978 posts)but you don't throw the entire justice system under the bus because of one ruling or several rulings.
TBF
(32,084 posts)it is capitalism itself. With props like the Supremes and the Pope backing it up and keeping the masses obedient and docile.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)get the red out
(13,468 posts)Which is against the Constitution, which I do believe in. Theocracy I oppose.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)by an ideologically biased Supreme Court that votes along ideological and partisan lines.
Although the justice system is terribly broken as well (most prisoners per capita, routine use of torture in the form of long-term solitary confinement, racial and ethnic disparities in arrests and sentencing, and so on).
ananda
(28,873 posts)..
ismnotwasm
(41,998 posts)Before making such blanket statements.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...so then to paraphrase, this is your position on Supreme Court decisions:
And I'm sure you would have said the same thing, back when, say, the Supremes came up with the Dred Scott decision?
Geez, Louise! I can't believe the number of posts recently telling DUers that criticizing anything within our government means we're not Democrats (because, you know, only Libertarians and Tea Partiers ever are allowed to criticize the gummint); or worse, it means we're active Libertarians / Paulites (because, you know, criticizing anything at all that happens under a Democratic President means we're trying to get Republicans elected); or it means we're part of the "blame America first" brigade (because, well, just because).
No. Wrong, wrong, and wrong again. Criticisms of our party, our President and our government are part of our birthright as American citizens and to fail to exercise our legitimate expression is a betrayal of core principles. Criticism and back and forth is healthy -- it is in fact what our republic depends on, if we are not to revert to some older, more corrupt governmental form.
We shall see.
riqster
(13,986 posts)I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'.
Ouch!
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)It's made up of people, run by people and decided on the opinions of people.
No, I don't trust people. That fact is why I backed down from my support of capital punishment. People get things wrong based on their own irrational beliefs and prejudices, quite frequently. The way the system is currently structured means that those irrational beliefs can negatively affect the lives of millions, to no particular purpose.
There needs to be a lot more checks and balances on the courts, particularly the top courts. That shouldn't be a troublesome idea.