Are members of the religious right seeking "legal separation" from the rest of the country?

[Proud Liberal Dem]

Let's face it, Americans are progressively, well, becoming more progressive and the religious right's crusade against LGBTs is dying in the courts, as are many of their extreme anti-choice measures. So, what are they to do now? I personally believe that, as the Hobby Lobby case suggests, as does their new push for "religious-freedom-to-discriminate-laws", what they are essentially doing is seeking to create their own zones or "bubbles" that they and their ilk can exist in where they can be "free" to keep doing what they want to do under the guise of "religious freedom" (which, unfortunately, SCOTUS, Congress, and some states are supporting) even as the rest of the country and its social mores change around them. Nobody, of course, is seeking to take away their freedom to have their own belief systems, of course, but society is, bit-by-bit, removing the legitimacy and primacy of their beliefs from the laws governing society, which, I think, is really what is most upsetting to members of the religious right, however, losing the power to control things like they once were able to, they are reacting to the situation by seeking to exempt and insulate themselves from secular society. What does everybody else think about this?

[leftstreet]

1. They should sail off to a new country. A fine tradition n/t

[winter is coming]

5. I volunteer to build the boat.

It might leak a little.

[Anansi1171]

2. I think a win-win for all involved would be for them to join Libertarian 1%er Peter Thiel..

...on his visionary island.

http://valleywag.gawker.com/peter-thiel-s-dream-of-a-lawless-utopia-floats-on-1368141049/1371215728

This way when Jesus returns to earth again, he can simply walk out to meet them!

[SouthernLiberal]

3. In short - Yes!

Google Christian Exodus... and read about their plans to have lots of right wing Christians move to South Carolina so that they would be able to force the state to secede a second time. That failed (apparently, all the right wing Christians who want to live here in SC, already do!)

Then it was going to be Idaho, and now, apparently 'personal secession' whatever that may be.

Of course, there are other groups that won't give up until the entire USA is a 'Christian Nation'

Some times, I start to wonder. There are many times when Science Fiction appears to have predicted the future correctly (and of course, many more times when it was wrong).. in Robert Heinlein's 'Future History', he described 2012 as the year when the US elected a Christian preacher and 'prophet' as president. In the short novel 'If This Goes on -' he also said that 2012 was the last presidential election in the USA.

There are days when the news gets me so depressed, I start to wonder if he was just off by a few years.

[Cha]

4. Or in their delusional haze they're pushing for total control of our Country and the

rest of us can do what they dictate.

It's a fight to keep their "Bible" out of our Government.

[ancianita]

6. No. Dominionism. Dominionists don't need anyone to agree but decisionmaking bodies. They don't care

what the rest of us think. To them it's the "money/power bubble" that beats whatever science or other 'tools' their opponents have got. They know what's best for this country and are organized to get it by any means necessary. Too many male egos and stockholmies are betting they'll maintain their privilege with this group but they're in for their own rude awakening.

Second thought. While you might think Americans are becoming more progressive on the ground, this thinking shows that we've become so inured to economic and structural inequalities that wanting equality is considered "progressive." Pew might show progressivism attitutudes, but those people are not winning.

We who've seen better can tell that, in fact, many of us -- women, labor, minorities -- are losing economic equality of opportunity and equality before the law. Now the conservative taliban are on the march. The only branch of government right now that tries to compensate is Obama's executive branch, with whatever policy and executive orders can bolster that equality. For now.

Third thought. Stay vigilant. A surge in awareness and anger doesn't necessarily translate into wins. We're still in this class war and we are far from winning.

[ancianita]

7. K & R because this is an important question.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

8. You want freedom? Somalia awaits.

[JoeyT]

9. Nope.

They don't want to be separate. That would require them to leave the rest of us the fuck alone. They want to rule.

The end goal isn't a separate society, but a society where everyone that isn't a member of their cult has to hide what they are.

[Katashi_itto]

10. No, just the opposite. They are trying to make the U.S. a theocratic state.

[hobbit709]

11. Ship them all off to some low lying barrier island and leave them there.

[Shankapotomus]

12. This is what happens when you import

Middle Eastern religion anywhere. And I mean all Middle Eastern religion. People are programmed to follow the pronouncements of a God that is total fantasy, above and against advancing secular and modern scientific culture, and you get conflict everywhere these bullshit beliefs go.

A child can see Middle Eastern religious philosophy promotes social conflict everywhere it goes. I'm talking to you Religious Right Wingers. You like to decry the primitive state of eternal conflict that exists in the Middle East (as does everybody) but you don't see the relationship of that conflict to the presence of these patriarchal and primitive social systems. You're bringing the same conflict over here with these primitive belief systems. Whether it's on the scale of a nation or of a family. And it's always the hard Right believers in any country that are the biggest foil and trouble makers. The ones that oppress women and gays and minorities and the young.

Just look at the Middle East and then look at what the debates and conflicts center around in The United States. Same "don't offend my non-existent God" bull shit. "Don't challenge male, straight Patriarchy!"

Please reassess your devotion to this garbage. You are the conflict and chaos you decry. It comes inherent in your beliefs.

Why don't you wake up to the devastation and unnecessary social conflict you bring to the world? Stop pretended you know better than anyone else how to run the world and society.

You don't. You know less. As is plainly seen by the social disorder and mess that is made everywhere your religious bull shit goes.

Everywhere you go you show the world a bad time. It's time to stop playing children's games and move into the modern age.

You're wasting the world's time with your little fantasy.