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(86,005 posts)
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 11:10 AM Jun 2014

Mark this down: Pres. Obama got 100% of declared chemical weapons out of Syria without firing a shot

United Nations ?@UN 21m
News: 100% of declared chemical weapons materials destroyed or removed from Syria http://j.mp/1pai7md


23 June 2014 – The Joint Mission welcomes the removal of the remaining 7.2 per cent of chemical weapons material from the Syrian Arab Republic. With this last movement, the total of declared chemical weapons materials destroyed or removed from Syria has reached 100%. The most operationally challenging task within the effort to eliminate the Syrian chemical weapons programme, has come to an end.

In addition to the completion of the removal operation, the Syrian Arab Republic has destroyed all declared production, mixing and filling equipment and munitions, as well as many buildings associated with its declared chemical weapons programme. With the exception of twelve production facilities that are awaiting a decision by the Executive Council of OPCW, all of the declared Syrian chemical weapons programme has been eliminated in an unprecedented timeframe and under uniquely challenging conditions.


read: http://opcw.unmissions.org/AboutOPCWUNJointMission/tabid/54/ctl/Details/mid/651/ItemID/325/Default.aspx

. . . yeah, I severely doubted this would happen.
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Mark this down: Pres. Obama got 100% of declared chemical weapons out of Syria without firing a shot (Original Post) bigtree Jun 2014 OP
Good job Mr. President! JNelson6563 Jun 2014 #1
It can be done.. it can.. Peacetrain Jun 2014 #2
There may be no way..... cynzke Jun 2014 #85
Or, a United Nations Joint Mission did it. progressoid Jun 2014 #3
Yeah, far be it to squeeze out any credit to the President. Cha Jun 2014 #60
Just reading the OP's link. progressoid Jun 2014 #61
yeah, it was a joint effort with many involved including President Obama and SOS Kerry. Cha Jun 2014 #62
Yeah, When Putin double-dared him to Demeter Jun 2014 #4
There is enough success here to go around and share, success does not have to be null sum game. Fred Sanders Jun 2014 #9
Putin was good cop. Obama was bad cop. Need both sides for that strategy to work. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2014 #21
I think you got it backwards - Obama and Kerry had proposed it soon after Kerry became SoS - to no karynnj Jun 2014 #44
And I wonder how many people shot off their mouth over this episode? William769 Jun 2014 #5
bless all the people who 'shot their mouths off' bigtree Jun 2014 #10
Point taken. William769 Jun 2014 #13
How would you word a comment like that better? Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #18
Asking since President Obama did do the right thing William769 Jun 2014 #20
Or Putin did MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #6
What do you mean? You think Obama does not deserve major credit? Fred Sanders Jun 2014 #8
I think his argument would be that this is how you do it bigtree Jun 2014 #15
Putin also deserves a lot of credit - Russia and Syria are long time Flaxbee Jun 2014 #17
Both did. Putin was good cop. Obama was bad cop. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2014 #22
An amazing success for the Nobel Peace Prize winner of 2009, but to hear the media he has done Fred Sanders Jun 2014 #7
If this is true, why is Isreal conducting air strikes in Syria? nt bonniebgood Jun 2014 #11
Maybe because Syria is killing Israeli 13 year-olds with missiles. former9thward Jun 2014 #54
TY, bigtree -- that is good news indeed Hekate Jun 2014 #12
PART of this is anti-WMD scare is RACIST..... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #14
The bearded guy looks so serene. Beartracks Jun 2014 #16
You got something against a little good clean fun? groundloop Jun 2014 #19
LOL Iliyah Jun 2014 #23
By "that type" NCTraveler Jun 2014 #30
You obviously missed the Confederate Flag.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #37
Ohhhh. That one flag defines all of the people there. NCTraveler Jun 2014 #73
I refuse to get all kumbaya after they refused to apologize for calling us TRAITORS. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #75
Santa Claus really can fly...nt SidDithers Jun 2014 #33
the problem was Assad using it on his people including Children JI7 Jun 2014 #39
That's an excuse. The REAL reason is the belief that other races want to wipe out White People. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #40
so OBama is scared others want to wipe out white people ? JI7 Jun 2014 #42
He's doing his best to assure White People that he's on their side. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #48
so why doesn't he do anything about india, pakistan, north korea, china ? JI7 Jun 2014 #53
He would if the propaganda targeted them. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #55
So Obama had racist motivations when he tried to rid Syria of WMD? Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #43
That's almost as good of a twisting as the Neocons did on the WMD intelligence. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #47
So what exactly was racist when it comes to the Syria WMD situation? Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #51
"Arabs" aren't supposed to have anything more dangerous than a big curved sword.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #57
I know they aren't supposed to have chemical weapons. Schema Thing Jun 2014 #58
Unless they say, "Made In The USA". Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #63
K & R Scurrilous Jun 2014 #24
YAY!!! Thank you, President Obama! nt Zorra Jun 2014 #25
Obama should get another Nobel Peace Prize mwrguy Jun 2014 #26
Excellent news lark Jun 2014 #27
quite right: it's an-Nusra & co. who've been doing all the shooting with US-provided arms and $ MisterP Jun 2014 #28
And my hat is off to him for that! MaggieD Jun 2014 #29
This is good, but the perpetual outrage machine has now shifted the focus to Egypt...nt SidDithers Jun 2014 #31
*questioning and skepticism of government is healthy and vital to an accountable democracy bigtree Jun 2014 #35
Oh there's at least one regular whiner LordGlenconner Jun 2014 #36
Yea, but what's in it for Halliburton? tridim Jun 2014 #32
Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi!!!!! Lil Missy Jun 2014 #34
K&R! hrmjustin Jun 2014 #38
Well done Mr. President mcar Jun 2014 #41
Thank God Obama didn't get what he wanted, which was to bomb Syria. Vattel Jun 2014 #45
Makes all those posters who were beating the drums for military strikes in Syria Maedhros Jun 2014 #46
Along with those who were positive Obama was going to start an endless Iraq like war in Syria. JoePhilly Jun 2014 #52
they don't just LOOK foolish Skittles Jun 2014 #66
Eat it, Republicretins! Alex P Notkeaton Jun 2014 #49
In this thread we suspend reality Jesus Malverde Jun 2014 #50
k&r n/t RainDog Jun 2014 #56
Congrats Mr. President!! Job well done... let the Republicants think about that one for a minute... riseabove Jun 2014 #59
No kidding! Welcome to DU, riseabove. freshwest Jun 2014 #76
Declared? Boom Sound 416 Jun 2014 #64
that's the way to make it ALL!!! Skittles Jun 2014 #67
This message was self-deleted by its author Boom Sound 416 Jun 2014 #69
Deleting my above response Boom Sound 416 Jun 2014 #70
"Nobody Thought Syria Would Give Up Its Chemical Weapons. It Just Did." Cha Jun 2014 #65
Kudos. When he follows the progressives plan, it works out!!! grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #68
This was NOT the progressive plan karynnj Jun 2014 #83
Not true. We always seek peaceful alternatives: grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #84
Great news...but isn't this a distraction from Bergdahl and Benghazi? SummerSnow Jun 2014 #71
Don't forget the IRS! Iliyah Jun 2014 #72
Don't worry! They'll refuse to report this and get back to their regularly scheduled programming! freshwest Jun 2014 #77
How can Halliburton make any money on that? What a disaster! tclambert Jun 2014 #74
K&R SunSeeker Jun 2014 #78
Obama's strength is foreign policy. He gets it right. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #79
I am very happy to congratulate the President navarth Jun 2014 #80
his best foreign policy achievement awoke_in_2003 Jun 2014 #81
Despite the doubts of many people here, the President snatched victory from the jaws Arkana Jun 2014 #82
Smartest President in our times by far madokie Jun 2014 #86

Peacetrain

(22,878 posts)
2. It can be done.. it can..
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 11:28 AM
Jun 2014

With the right person it can be done.. that is why letting the republicans and libertarians and tea party. etc.. anywhere near the White House is always always always a DISASTER.. that we have to go back in and clean up again and again and again..

progressoid

(49,998 posts)
61. Just reading the OP's link.
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 07:41 PM
Jun 2014
The Joint Mission recognizes the constructive cooperation and commitment demonstrated by the Syrian government throughout this complex operation. The Joint Mission is also grateful for the significant support and professionalism demonstrated by the maritime partners – People’s Republic of China, Denmark, Norway, Russian Federation, United Kingdom and the United States – who have provided critical resources and support to the operations. Moreover, the Joint Mission extends its appreciation to the Republic of Cyprus and the Republic of Lebanon for their facilitation and continuous cooperation.
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
4. Yeah, When Putin double-dared him to
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 11:39 AM
Jun 2014

but of course, credit will never be given to the Russians for anything good.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
44. I think you got it backwards - Obama and Kerry had proposed it soon after Kerry became SoS - to no
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 04:19 PM
Jun 2014

interest on the part of the Russians. ONLY after the US threat of a limited strike and Kerry PUBLICLY (not behind closed doors) saying that that was what it would take to make the US NOT attack that the Russians were interested.

Russia had the leverage to demand it. Syria is their client state and they had no desire to do so. Do you really think it a coincidence that it happened after Kerry spoke of it?

It is not Russia who often gets no credit for anything good here. They get plenty especially since Snowden made his home there. It is rare that Kerry ever gets credit here -- but there is a long line to parse every sentence he says to "prove" he is doing something wrong. It is less rare, but still too rare that Obama gets the credit.

The fact is the entire right blames Kerry and Obama for NOT striking Syria.

William769

(55,147 posts)
5. And I wonder how many people shot off their mouth over this episode?
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 11:43 AM
Jun 2014

And no I am not going to be the one to count them (because it's to damn many to keep up with).

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
10. bless all the people who 'shot their mouths off'
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 11:57 AM
Jun 2014

. . . NOTHING happens in government without pressure from the people.

Remember, in this case, Congress responded to the President first to his request for authorization to stage military strikes. President Obama insisted all along that he had the authority to strike Syria without pre-approval from Congress, and, there are more than a handful of Democrats in the congressional and Senate leadership who echoed the administration's insistence in their initial rush to war with Syria that they wouldn't wait indefinitely before launching their military response.

Thousands of Americans spoke out and called their legislators (and the White House) and urged them against military action.

Kudos to the president for following the will of the people that the U.S. refrain from military action in Syria and rely on international and diplomatic solutions; not unilateral military measures like the president originally pushed for.

William769

(55,147 posts)
20. Asking since President Obama did do the right thing
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 12:32 PM
Jun 2014

That the naysayers at least acknowledge it instead of going silent waiting for the next moment to pounce? Better?

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
6. Or Putin did
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 11:43 AM
Jun 2014

Last edited Mon Jun 23, 2014, 12:43 PM - Edit history (1)

Hard to tell: did Obama have a strategy or win the lottery?

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
15. I think his argument would be that this is how you do it
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 12:03 PM
Jun 2014

. . . 'soft power', 'big stick', gunboat diplomacy lite.

Who knows what the President would have done, though, if Putin hadn't stepped in . . . or if Congress had acceded to his initial request for authority to strike?

Flaxbee

(13,661 posts)
17. Putin also deserves a lot of credit - Russia and Syria are long time
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 12:15 PM
Jun 2014

good friends; Russia didn't want its naval base in Tartus involved in any sort of US-initiated military skirmish (can you imagine the hell that would have been unleashed if something had happened there?), and Putin was able to put enormous pressure on Assad to cooperate.

I think Assad would have continued to give the US the finger if Putin hadn't stepped in... and we all know that the Republicans (McCain et al) can't NOT charge a waving flag...they are completely incapable of thought or restraint, they're all knee-jerk (emphasis on jerk) reactionaries.

Now, I do give Obama MAJOR props for working with Russia and not acceding to the crazies' demands here in the US for military action. Major backbone, there.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
7. An amazing success for the Nobel Peace Prize winner of 2009, but to hear the media he has done
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 11:45 AM
Jun 2014

nothing...I detest the American media for the full scale propaganda war they have launched.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
14. PART of this is anti-WMD scare is RACIST.....
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 12:02 PM
Jun 2014

The message is that "those people" shouldn't have it because they aren't "civilized" like white people.

This appeals to this type:

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
30. By "that type"
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 02:05 PM
Jun 2014

I guess you mean a group of people who like to get together and have fun on the weekends. Their smiles hurt me.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
73. Ohhhh. That one flag defines all of the people there.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 12:49 PM
Jun 2014

I see how that works. Same tactic has been used against leftist protests forever.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
57. "Arabs" aren't supposed to have anything more dangerous than a big curved sword....
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 05:34 PM
Jun 2014


Don't you know that?

lark

(23,155 posts)
27. Excellent news
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 01:33 PM
Jun 2014

Wonder why this isn't at the top of the msm news? I listened for a few min. yesterday and this am and didn't hear a thing about it.

Never mind, silly me. Of course this wouldn't be important to them, no profit to be made for the 1% so nothing to say on the news front.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
29. And my hat is off to him for that!
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 02:01 PM
Jun 2014

I think he has done an excellent job in the area of FP. I truly don't understand what the GOPers are whining about in this regard.

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
35. *questioning and skepticism of government is healthy and vital to an accountable democracy
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 02:24 PM
Jun 2014

. . . but there is a new, undefined doctrine of restraint, and a impetus from the administration to robust diplomacy which has characterized this second term. I think that balancing act by the President, at least, deserves notice.

*edited

 

LordGlenconner

(1,348 posts)
36. Oh there's at least one regular whiner
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 02:26 PM
Jun 2014

On this thread moving the goalposts around some. Typical from that lot.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
32. Yea, but what's in it for Halliburton?
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 02:07 PM
Jun 2014

Syria is a 100% failure for the Neocons trying to further enrich the MIC.

Deal with it, warmongers.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
45. Thank God Obama didn't get what he wanted, which was to bomb Syria.
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 04:22 PM
Jun 2014

The Joint Chiefs, Congress, the American people, some ambiguous intelligence reports, and Putin deserve more praise than Obama for the "not firing a shot" part.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
46. Makes all those posters who were beating the drums for military strikes in Syria
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 04:35 PM
Jun 2014

look absolutely foolish.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
52. Along with those who were positive Obama was going to start an endless Iraq like war in Syria.
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 04:54 PM
Jun 2014

They were absolutely positive that our lame, puppet of a President, would invade Syria.

They were very, very, upset about it.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
50. In this thread we suspend reality
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 04:52 PM
Jun 2014

Syria has been under attack by the united states, britain and others for over three years...

 

riseabove

(70 posts)
59. Congrats Mr. President!! Job well done... let the Republicants think about that one for a minute...
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 07:06 PM
Jun 2014

You can actually get shit done WITHOUT KILLING PEOPLE?!?!?

Woah, you don't say?

Response to Skittles (Reply #67)

Cha

(297,617 posts)
65. "Nobody Thought Syria Would Give Up Its Chemical Weapons. It Just Did."
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 09:31 PM
Jun 2014

snip//

"The Obama administration was also cautious to make sure that their praise for the removal process’ completion didn’t read as praise for the Syrian government. “The world will never forget the loss of the more than 1,400 innocent Syrians senselessly killed with chemical weapons on August 21, 2013,” Secretary of State John Kerry said in a statement. “The worst of the weapons are gone, but the despicable regime and the crisis it has created remain and require our collective focus.”

thinkprogress

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
83. This was NOT the progressive plan
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 09:32 PM
Jun 2014

You could say that progressives went all out to fight Obama on air strikes - they did that. However, there was NO progressive plan to get rid of chemical weapons. Obama had spoken to Putin and Kerry to Lavrov earlier in the year, but Russia had no interest.

Even when Kerry suggested it as an obvious alternative, most here called it a gaffe - which it wasn't. The far left was so angry at Kerry and Obama, that rather than give them any share of the credit, praised only Putin.

Saying no air strikes does not lead to a careful negotiation and plan to get the CW out. Credit should go to Obama, Kerry, Putin, Lavrov, the Un , the group that actually did the removals and even Syria.

 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
84. Not true. We always seek peaceful alternatives:
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 12:57 AM
Jun 2014

“I believe that the American people share the president’s concerns about chemical weapons in Syria and the brutal Assad dictatorship. But, in overwhelming numbers, Vermonters are telling me they want those issues addressed diplomatically by the UN and the international community – not by unilateral military action on the part of the U.S."

- Senator Sanders

navarth

(5,927 posts)
80. I am very happy to congratulate the President
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 07:06 PM
Jun 2014

when he does something right. I think anybody here would.

I reserve the right to complain about him if I wish, but it's always good to see him doing something I like.

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
82. Despite the doubts of many people here, the President snatched victory from the jaws
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 02:17 PM
Jun 2014

of defeat on this one.

I'm surprised myself, but very pleased.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
86. Smartest President in our times by far
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 08:37 AM
Jun 2014

I love that by voting I was part of getting this man in the White House. Hell Yeah I say

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