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kpete

(71,998 posts)
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 05:58 PM Apr 2012

A Warning To Virgins: Arizona Legislators Trying To Declare Pregnancy Two Weeks Prior To Conception

Arizona Legislators Trying To Declare Pregnancy Two Weeks Prior To Conception

by Amanda Marcotte, RH Reality Check
April 2, 2012 - 2:27pm

Legislators have had so much success smuggling in ulterior motives with 20-week bans that they’re now looking for ways to expand the amount of hard right anti-choice nonsense they can attach to those bills. The most recent---and extreme---example is Arizona. There, lawmakers are writing a 20-week abortion ban that starts counting off at the first day of a woman’s period. Yes, they’re arguing that you’re “pregnant” while you’re actually getting your period. In fact, as Kate Sheppard at Mother Jones explains, they’re really trying to steal as many weeks as possible away from women seeking abortion:

Most women ovulate about 14 or 15 days after their period starts, and women can usually get pregnant from sexual intercourse that occured anywhere between five days before ovulation and a day after it. Arizona's law would start the clock at a woman's last period—which means, in practice, that the law prohibits abortion later than 18 weeks after a woman actually becomes pregnant.

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2012/03/arizona-outdoes-everyone-new-anti-abortion-bill

That’s bad in and of itself, but taking a step back and looking at the big picture makes this law look even more sinister. Medically speaking, pregnancy starts when a fertilized egg implants in the uterine lining. Anti-choicers have attempted to define it earlier with their failed attempts to pass “personhood” law that would define not just pregnancy, but “personhood” as beginning at conception. Now in Arizona, they’re trying to argue that you’re pregnant a couple of weeks before you even had the sex that resulted in your pregnancy.

Think about the implications down the road. If a woman is “pregnant” two weeks before she becomes pregnant, than any fertile woman---including those currently menstruating!---should really be considered pregnant. After all, we don’t know the future. We don’t know that any non-pregnant woman couldn’t be pregnant two weeks from now, making her retroactively pregnant now. Considering that it’s anti-choice nuts we’re talking about, it’s safe to assume that they’d simply prefer a situation where all women of reproductive age are considered to be pregnant, on the grounds that they could be two weeks from now. Better safe than sorry, especially if that mentality means you get to exert maximum control over the bodies of women of reproductive age.

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http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/article/2012/04/01/arizona-legislators-trying-to-declare-pregnancy-two-weeks-prior-to-conception
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A Warning To Virgins: Arizona Legislators Trying To Declare Pregnancy Two Weeks Prior To Conception (Original Post) kpete Apr 2012 OP
omg. So much regulating of a women's body. Can't wait to vote in November. Liberal_in_LA Apr 2012 #1
arizona take the prize for the most erratic zoo in America. roguevalley Apr 2012 #24
A vote for ANY Republican is a vote against ALL women. aquart Apr 2012 #2
Wrong Drale Apr 2012 #6
+1000 davidthegnome Apr 2012 #18
Someone tell them pregnant women qualify for additional medical benefits. KamaAina Apr 2012 #3
What the fuck is WRONG with these people? hifiguy Apr 2012 #4
I was wrong before: Arizona is not the new Florida. BlueIris Apr 2012 #5
Is there something in the water in Arizona or what? Initech Apr 2012 #8
Females are just incubators, awaiting the gift of "seed".. SoCalDem Apr 2012 #10
'Sick, cruel attacks' on their own citizens! randome Apr 2012 #13
I had to check the links. I thought this was The Onion. CrispyQ Apr 2012 #7
The GOP war on truth continues Bruce Wayne Apr 2012 #9
They need to take away Turbineguy Apr 2012 #11
Time to file civil rights violation complaints against the Arizona Legislature or any other Monk06 Apr 2012 #12
And I though the personhood bill in Baja was nuts. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #14
They've gone past the absurd and the ridiculous..... they are really OUT THERE! secondwind Apr 2012 #15
there is apparently no end to the hatred these crazies feel for women. niyad Apr 2012 #16
I'm effing speechless... tallahasseedem Apr 2012 #17
K&R idwiyo Apr 2012 #19
If they can't force a woman to have an ultrasound, they're resorting to this... cynatnite Apr 2012 #20
It's not accurate at all. Iris Apr 2012 #27
These toads abolugi Apr 2012 #21
I'm a man and wtf is this? Good God, that's egregious... DRoseDARs Apr 2012 #22
Jesus on a pogo stick! What next? The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2012 #23
Retroactive pregnancy? Retrograde pregnancy? Pregnancy by Assumption? wtf? K Gardner Apr 2012 #25
right wing christian nazis fascisthunter Apr 2012 #26
These Pseudo Christian pigs are worse than the Taliban because they claim to cherish FREEDOM n/t Monk06 Apr 2012 #28
The Rethugs are just shooting themselves in the foot... Zookeeper Apr 2012 #29
The Handmaid's Tale. I recommend the book or movie. yardwork Apr 2012 #30

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
24. arizona take the prize for the most erratic zoo in America.
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 10:27 PM
Apr 2012

Thank you, Arizona. I'm glad it isn't us anymore. I thought no place could be as weird as Alaska with Palin but this is mental. This is psychotic. Absolutely certifiable.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
3. Someone tell them pregnant women qualify for additional medical benefits.
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 06:06 PM
Apr 2012

The bill will disappear faster than Santorectum can walk back his "government n*g..." comment.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
4. What the fuck is WRONG with these people?
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 06:07 PM
Apr 2012

Jeebus Haploid Christ juggling fish and riding a unicycle!!!

BlueIris

(29,135 posts)
5. I was wrong before: Arizona is not the new Florida.
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 06:14 PM
Apr 2012

It's the new Texas. These kind of sick, cruel attacks on choice, almost Naziesque in their mathematical precision, are from the playbook of the Texas anti-choice movement.

Sick, sick assholes, every one.

Initech

(100,087 posts)
8. Is there something in the water in Arizona or what?
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 06:40 PM
Apr 2012

It seems they get crazier and crazier about this shit every single day.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
13. 'Sick, cruel attacks' on their own citizens!
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 08:02 PM
Apr 2012

Jesus Christ, why are they even in the legislature if they don't want to serve the people who elected them???

CrispyQ

(36,483 posts)
7. I had to check the links. I thought this was The Onion.
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 06:33 PM
Apr 2012

Last edited Tue Apr 3, 2012, 09:45 PM - Edit history (1)

I have no words.

on edit: What she said:




Turbineguy

(37,355 posts)
11. They need to take away
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 07:27 PM
Apr 2012

the "ology" part of biology. Biostupidity. Coming soon to a high school near you.

Monk06

(7,675 posts)
12. Time to file civil rights violation complaints against the Arizona Legislature or any other
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 07:55 PM
Apr 2012

State government that pulls this shit. This is sex slavery pure and simple.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
14. And I though the personhood bill in Baja was nuts.
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 08:05 PM
Apr 2012

Arizona has just passed that nonsense.

(Yes, this is not limited to the States)

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
20. If they can't force a woman to have an ultrasound, they're resorting to this...
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 08:59 PM
Apr 2012

Doctors will use LMP (last menstrual period) to get an idea of due date and determine gestational age. This is not always accurate and is somewhat misleading.

Again, it's proof that the repukes are attempting to insert themselves in the exam room between a patient and her doctor.

Iris

(15,661 posts)
27. It's not accurate at all.
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 10:46 PM
Apr 2012

I mean, seriously, even obstetrician's are only making educated guesses. Perhaps we should insert two windows over each ovary whenever a baby girl is born. Then the whole world can watch what's going on inside her body throughout her entire life.

abolugi

(417 posts)
21. These toads
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 09:05 PM
Apr 2012

do not understand the bills they are passing. Every time they are called out on it they realize how stupid they are and back off some.
Lets hope they get embarrassed and eviscerated again and back the fuck off!!

 

DRoseDARs

(6,810 posts)
22. I'm a man and wtf is this? Good God, that's egregious...
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 09:29 PM
Apr 2012

While I have my own views on abortions, they are my own and my having a penis pretty much makes them irrelevant. But this shit right here is just bonkers. Why not just cut to the chase and say any female carrying any eggs in her ovaries is legally pregnant despite not being medically pregnant. Hell, baby girls have eggs in their ovaries when they're born (somewhere in the order of 1-2 million), so they'd be legally pregnant too. Enough of the halfsies, let your freak flag fly. I want to see a genocide charge leveled against a 2-year-old.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,768 posts)
23. Jesus on a pogo stick! What next?
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 09:51 PM
Apr 2012

Will they pass statutes that prosecute women for not getting pregnant when they could have? Will this be retroactive? Am I in trouble because even though I'm too old to get pregnant now, there were hundreds of times I could have but didn't?

These fuckers are crazy, and not in a good way.

Zookeeper

(6,536 posts)
29. The Rethugs are just shooting themselves in the foot...
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 03:14 PM
Apr 2012

If we can keep this crap in the news, most people will be outraged. (I don't think most young men are exactly crazy about women losing the option to terminate a pregnancy, either.)

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