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Rude Pundit Appreciation Thread (Original Post) Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 OP
He ain't called the Rude Pundit for no reason. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #1
Exactly... MrMickeysMom Jun 2014 #154
fuck yeah! mike_c Jun 2014 #2
Always A Treat To Read The Rude One, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2014 #3
Happy to K&R. No one can claim "false advertising" when they choose bullwinkle428 Jun 2014 #4
You'd think at an "Underground" those wouldn't be issues. But I guess we're a "tea party"... villager Jun 2014 #5
Yup yup.... opiate69 Jun 2014 #20
Rudeness is fine; homophobic and sexist slurs (such as the c-word) are not. Nye Bevan Jun 2014 #6
I think Ann Coulter will survive. yurbud Jun 2014 #22
Shit... Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #27
sorry, nothing seems to stop her. She is like the Terminator of right wing bile. yurbud Jun 2014 #58
If he used the n word in regards to Clarence Thomas dsc Jun 2014 #50
I mostly agree. the "c word" is the only insult that comes close to having that impact yurbud Jun 2014 #57
Interesting... Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #61
I think the N words power was not that it was used indiscriminatly but the context like yurbud Jun 2014 #72
True... Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #77
Which is exactly how the C-word is used Ms. Toad Jun 2014 #82
I'm a woman. mmm413 Jun 2014 #130
Thank you! Right on! scarletwoman Jun 2014 #135
I made no comment whatsoever on Rude Pundit's use of the word. Ms. Toad Jun 2014 #143
Seriously? Ms. Toad Jun 2014 #81
I'm talking more about casual use... Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #87
The same as I'm talking about - Ms. Toad Jun 2014 #118
Just out of curiousity....what part of the country do you live in? Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #123
It is the continuing oppression. redqueen Jun 2014 #92
Power differentials exist everywhere Gore1FL Jun 2014 #101
Men as a class are nor oppressed by women as a class. redqueen Jun 2014 #104
Yes....but Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #125
Not generally, no. Gore1FL Jun 2014 #132
He has used the N word, the S word for Latinos and the K word for Jews stevenleser Jun 2014 #131
This isn't the same dsc Jun 2014 #157
If you are trying to make the point I think you are trying to make, you're splitting hairs stevenleser Jun 2014 #158
Because racism is wrong. Dr. Strange Jun 2014 #144
Exactly. KitSileya Jun 2014 #145
Thanks for the link Capt. Obvious Jun 2014 #24
Coulter being called "the c-word" is nowhere near as bad as her behavior that precipitated it Orrex Jun 2014 #28
Yes, actually, I do endorse that line of attack. The_Commonist Jun 2014 #60
But the word police have already won. zeemike Jun 2014 #85
I fall on the Lenny Bruce side of this discussion, lovemydog Jun 2014 #128
I agree deutsey Jun 2014 #150
Certainly someone with such a dark soul could be called any names I can think of. AAO Jun 2014 #63
Yes. Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2014 #65
I've enjoyed his articles for many years. liberalmuse Jun 2014 #73
+1 redqueen Jun 2014 #91
In context, yes. Completely. mwooldri Jun 2014 #120
If you are offended, then trash the threads. Plez dont try to censor what we read. nm rhett o rick Jun 2014 #137
It's a long time and a rare occasion, but Coulter I think was the first woman I referred to C word 2banon Jun 2014 #141
I wholeheartedly endorse it. cheapdate Jun 2014 #166
Thank you for referring to it as the "c-word" as opposed to using the actual word. Nye Bevan Jun 2014 #171
I'm not offended by words in themselves, but rather by how they're used cheapdate Jun 2014 #172
Love me my Rudie malaise Jun 2014 #7
Sometimes thing are so horrific, like Bush' disgusting forway into Iraq... joeybee12 Jun 2014 #8
k&r... spanone Jun 2014 #9
Love his Rudeness underpants Jun 2014 #10
k&r Sedona Jun 2014 #11
Love the Rude One. Gemini Cat Jun 2014 #12
Yes Indeed n/t Still Sensible Jun 2014 #13
K&R jwirr Jun 2014 #14
K&R! JaneyVee Jun 2014 #15
Wish I could rec twice! Aldo Leopold Jun 2014 #16
Sometimes a bit of fowl language is necessary........... wandy Jun 2014 #17
RIGHT ON. byronius Jun 2014 #18
The man is ELOQUENT in his own way! And when is the truth "tasteless and over the top"? zwyziec Jun 2014 #19
K & R for the Rude one! n/t LeftofObama Jun 2014 #21
yep, what you said. 2banon Jun 2014 #23
HE USES THE C WORD Capt. Obvious Jun 2014 #25
Sometimes the truth ain't pretty Blue Owl Jun 2014 #26
he was one of the few along with Bartcop that spoke out during the regime roguevalley Jun 2014 #29
I loves me some Rude! The man is a wordsmith. Some of his words are naughty. 11 Bravo Jun 2014 #30
He rudely represents me!! arthritisR_US Jun 2014 #31
Rude is good angrychair Jun 2014 #32
Agreed - all that and he's right just about 99% of the time. rosesaylavee Jun 2014 #33
Some times... Bad is Bad. bluesbassman Jun 2014 #34
Damn Fuckin' Straight mindwalker_i Jun 2014 #35
I've been know to wax course.... Aviation Pro Jun 2014 #36
Reminds me of "A Christmas Story" (No, really) Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #40
Kinda didn't want to be the 70th rec for this thread... truebrit71 Jun 2014 #37
Oh, yeah! ChazInAz Jun 2014 #38
He is the best! Curtis Jun 2014 #39
Two cheers from me nxylas Jun 2014 #41
This. Any occasional small issue I might have with his choice of language is well balanced nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #107
I like that guy MaggieD Jun 2014 #42
I've never shared Rude Pundit on Facebook... Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #43
He's also brilliant and one of the first media pundits who considered Women's Issues important. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2014 #44
The Rude One is priceless. mnhtnbb Jun 2014 #45
. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2014 #46
k&r. tosh Jun 2014 #47
K/R Jack Rabbit Jun 2014 #48
... Aristus Jun 2014 #49
K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2014 #51
He is the reason I know what a blumpkin is. QC Jun 2014 #52
the rude one - he is the best rurallib Jun 2014 #53
He is indeed. Old and In the Way Jun 2014 #54
i agree samsingh Jun 2014 #55
K & R mac56 Jun 2014 #56
+ 1 Botany Jun 2014 #88
Rude On! yankeepants Jun 2014 #59
yup! shanti Jun 2014 #62
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Jun 2014 #64
The Rude One is the best. GoCubsGo Jun 2014 #66
He is as he's always been azurnoir Jun 2014 #67
You know, George Carlin is well respected here... Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2014 #68
Good (and pertinent) quote from George Carlin Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #80
I delight in the tasteless and obscene libodem Jun 2014 #69
Ordinarily I'd agree. But the Cheney one crossed a line. Fearless Jun 2014 #70
Apparently some here can't differentiate between rudeness/vulgarity and bigotry. redqueen Jun 2014 #95
K&R. Long may The Rude One wave. (nt) Paladin Jun 2014 #71
He can rip away the veils that politeness helps keep in place. riqster Jun 2014 #74
Love His Rudeness. n/t geardaddy Jun 2014 #75
It's really quite simple. Puglover Jun 2014 #76
+1 leftynyc Jun 2014 #93
If the small minded pearl clutchers whatchamacallit Jun 2014 #78
K&R !! SalviaBlue Jun 2014 #79
Nobody does it better... angel823 Jun 2014 #83
That he got hidden today leftynyc Jun 2014 #84
His last piece on Liz and Dick Cheney was spot on because "The Rude One," like .... Botany Jun 2014 #86
Anyone who doesn't like the Rude One can suck my... KamaAina Jun 2014 #89
K&fuckingR.... daleanime Jun 2014 #90
Prime Time TV ProgressiveJarhead Jun 2014 #94
I don't talk like TRP. I don't write like TRP. But I agree with TRP in his descriptions of this WinkyDink Jun 2014 #96
I have been reading Unknown Beatle Jun 2014 #97
Kids! Don't Try This At Home! Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #99
Yeah... Unknown Beatle Jun 2014 #100
So you still quality for the Rude Olympics (nt) Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #112
Really? Unknown Beatle Jun 2014 #114
The dude is rude. GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #98
+1 nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #109
I love the Rude One Stargazer09 Jun 2014 #102
I endorse every word he's written so far, with apologies to no one. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2014 #103
Relish rebe303 Jun 2014 #105
Love reading his blog every day n/t lordsummerisle Jun 2014 #106
Add me to the list that reads his column every weekday, and is sad on weekends when there is none Moliere Jun 2014 #108
I'd love see a cussing contest between Rude and the Dickbot, then shut him off. rickyhall Jun 2014 #110
It's a sad day when PDittie Jun 2014 #111
yep, me too! Borchkins Jun 2014 #113
K&R riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #115
Appreciation so noted!! ..... So, what's up with the... Beartracks Jun 2014 #116
He's a FB friend, Seedersandleechers Jun 2014 #117
he dances with me on the heads of pins. NuttyFluffers Jun 2014 #119
Appreciation Richard D Jun 2014 #121
Completely agree. K&R. NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #122
It's a poor game when one can't express thoughts cogently without resort to juvenile profanity. randome Jun 2014 #124
Of course you do. Hissyspit Jun 2014 #142
LOL !!! WillyT Jun 2014 #161
K & R! Marie Marie Jun 2014 #126
And he is vile to all the 'right' people! Love the Rude One, always have, always will. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #127
I think mmm413 Jun 2014 #129
Fuckin' A GusBob Jun 2014 #133
Rude, crude and lewd all the way Warpy Jun 2014 #134
I think he's great and I love his writing style. polly7 Jun 2014 #136
I support the Rude Pundit. pacalo Jun 2014 #138
I don't know... davidthegnome Jun 2014 #139
he is all of those things awoke_in_2003 Jun 2014 #140
It's like the Jar of Branston Pickle on my shelf JackInGreen Jun 2014 #146
He's mild compared to my thoughts. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #147
Mr T had some words about the Rude One: unhappycamper Jun 2014 #148
Apparently some think "Underground" means "Garden Party" Android3.14 Jun 2014 #149
+ 1000 doxydad Jun 2014 #151
K&R N_E_1 for Tennis Jun 2014 #152
yep. barbtries Jun 2014 #153
He says exactly what I want to say.. sendero Jun 2014 #155
enjoy this now... doxydad Jun 2014 #156
The Rude Pundit completes me. n/t Greybnk48 Jun 2014 #159
He cracks me up. world wide wally Jun 2014 #160
stupid to hide his article warrior1 Jun 2014 #162
He's hilarious. navarth Jun 2014 #163
TRP always starts his threads "The Rude Pundit:" If people can't handle the content, don't click! TheBlackAdder Jun 2014 #164
Go Rudey Go! LiberalLovinLug Jun 2014 #165
Too late...You thought it. Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #170
It's the ProSense Jun 2014 #167
We need a Polite Amateur counterpart! Helen Borg Jun 2014 #168
+1 the Rude Dude is awesome. LiberalLoner Jun 2014 #169
 

villager

(26,001 posts)
5. You'd think at an "Underground" those wouldn't be issues. But I guess we're a "tea party"...
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 01:38 PM
Jun 2014

...of a different sort, now. The restrained, overly-polite, repressed kind....

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
6. Rudeness is fine; homophobic and sexist slurs (such as the c-word) are not.
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 01:40 PM
Jun 2014

Warning: the "c" word is in this link:

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2006/06/why-ann-coulter-is-cunt-part-2609-of.html?m=1

Does everyone here wholeheartedly endorse this line of attack?

dsc

(52,162 posts)
50. If he used the n word in regards to Clarence Thomas
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 02:50 PM
Jun 2014

he wouldn't be linked here or anywhere else. I fail to see the difference.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
57. I mostly agree. the "c word" is the only insult that comes close to having that impact
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 03:01 PM
Jun 2014

but I'm not sure why.

If you call a guy a dick or a prick or whatever, it has little impact beyond alerted the guy that you dislike or are displeased with him.

The same thing goes with insults directed at the white race. I haven't heard one yet that actually hurts me beyond making me think the person who said it doesn't like me or white people in general.

Maybe it's the power differential that makes the difference, or at least the historical power differential.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
61. Interesting...
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 03:12 PM
Jun 2014

I think it's because of the history of the n-word -- having been applied to any black person regardless of who they were or what they were. It was indiscriminate -- sort like the neutron bomb of insults.

The c-word (for all you delicate flowers) is as word that is not -- expect by some of the far less-evolved of our species -- applied universally to women. It's typically reserved as a rebuke to someone a woman who (at least in the eyes of the speaker) deserves so form of harsh rebuke. Just as people don't use the p-word do describe all men (it's so innocuous that I feel ridiculous even writing out "the p-word&quot , people don't use the c-word to describe all women.

I think you're entirely right about it being a question of power. And I would add the faction of "intention" as well.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
72. I think the N words power was not that it was used indiscriminatly but the context like
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 03:32 PM
Jun 2014

"I own that_________________," or "Get a rope! We're gonna string that ______________ up!"

Both show extreme vulnerability, where someone has the power of life or death over you and the law not only won't protect you, but would HELP your persecutor.

I think that's why insults to whites have no sting, and probably never would except in some African countries with white minorities in the midst black revolutions or something.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
77. True...
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 03:42 PM
Jun 2014

There's an anger and animosity behind the word that is 100% lacking in any slur aimed at white people. Which is where the humor lies among African Americans who refer to each other with the n-word and among women who use the b-word. It's the absurdity of that kind of anger being directed back at one's own group. And that absurdity isn't there when a white person or a male does it.

You know, explaining jokes always makes them not funny...

mmm413

(185 posts)
130. I'm a woman.
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 11:00 PM
Jun 2014

And yes, the C word is offensive. But only when it is used by people who really think that is what women are. His Rudeness doesn't think that. So he doesn't offend me. I'm a 65 year old grandmother. I was 19 in 1968. Been around the block. I know who means what when they use that term. Get over it.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
135. Thank you! Right on!
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 11:54 PM
Jun 2014

I'm just a year younger than you - been around the block too, and I totally agree.

Ms. Toad

(34,073 posts)
143. I made no comment whatsoever on Rude Pundit's use of the word.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 02:25 AM
Jun 2014

I was responding to a poster who says that the c-word is not used against women in the same way the n-word is used against Blacks - essentially that is not something many women experience because only a very few really vile people directed to a small group of women, in unusual circumstances. That is not my experience, nor has it been the experience of the many women I have discussed it with at whom it has been directed.

Before you hit "post my reply," it would be polite to read the subthread you are responding to for context.

Ms. Toad

(34,073 posts)
81. Seriously?
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 03:53 PM
Jun 2014

Try living for a while in a female skin.

While it is true that not every man uses the word to refer to women, it is applied to all women (or at least as close to all women as the n-word is used to apply to all men). And - just like the n-word is typically used (offensively) in circumstances where the user believes s/he can get away with it - the C-word is used most frequently when women dare to intrude in "male" space - or when women are perceived as not being friendly enough to men (like when we walk down the street and choose not to acknowledge the "friendly" admiration of our bodies by strangers as we pass).

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
87. I'm talking more about casual use...
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 04:04 PM
Jun 2014

I've been living in a male skin for quite some time now, and you probably wouldn't be surprised to learn that guys talk differently when there are only other guys around. And I've never heard someone -- other than some really spooky hateful types -- refer to all women by the c-word. The b-word? Far more common. In my experience, the c-word tends to be loaded with some genuine animosity toward a specific individual -- like an ex-wife or something.

I'm not denying your experience, though. Clearly you've been exposed to the language in ways that I have not. As was said in a post or two upthread, maybe it's the power (and the aggression) that comes with the word that causes it to be used. It's used as an assertion of dominance in situations were the person using can't actually BE dominant.

Ms. Toad

(34,073 posts)
118. The same as I'm talking about -
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 09:08 PM
Jun 2014

casual use, directed at me when I am walking down the street, minding my own business - assuming minding my own business includes:

  • Not being obligated to respond appreciatively to the "compliments" paid to my body
  • Not being obligated to gratefully the "helpful" advice that I'd be much prettier if I smiled
  • Not being obligated to engage in flirtation with random males who decide I owe it to them to respond in kind.






Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
123. Just out of curiousity....what part of the country do you live in?
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 10:07 PM
Jun 2014

I'm wondering there's some regionally thing at play with this behavior.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
92. It is the continuing oppression.
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 04:10 PM
Jun 2014
Maybe it's the power differential that makes the difference, or at least the historical power differential.


The power differential still exists

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
104. Men as a class are nor oppressed by women as a class.
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 05:55 PM
Jun 2014

White people as a class are not oppressed by ethnic minorities as a class.

It is the class dynamics which give these slurs their power.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
125. Yes....but
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 10:13 PM
Jun 2014

People also behave they way when they perceive themselves to be oppressed (i.e., the entire viewership of Fox News).

While women still lag behind in real power, they've made huge gains over the past 20-30 years and there may even be a woman President in 2016 -- following eight years of a black President. For these people, the loss of their secure position at the top of the pyramid is (weirdly) the same as being oppressed.

Take fundamentalist Christians. Acceptance of gay marriage by other people = oppression.

I know it makes no sense, but that's how these people think.

Gore1FL

(21,132 posts)
132. Not generally, no.
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 11:23 PM
Jun 2014

Whites, more often than not, are in situations where the power differential is in their favor. The same is true for men. The same is true for Christians. The same is true with straights. We could certainly come up with long lists if we spent the time and energy to do so.

Regardless, power differentials exist everywhere. Who has the power changes in different situations.

In any case, power differentials, class dynamics, and oppression seems to be a rather odd argument to bring to the table when determine appropriateness of genitalia insults. It's a pretty silly argument to have at all, quite frankly. If we have to have it at all, can we please dispense with the hyperbole and baseless controversy, and simply pick obvious reasons?

Here are a few we can start with:

1> People don't like hearing other being called genitalia-based names.
2> Genitalia-based names imply negative stereotypes.
3> There are so many more specific more insulting things to call people.

Now that the obvious has been stated, I hope we're done here.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
157. This isn't the same
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 08:47 AM
Jun 2014

and if you don't know that you aren't as smart as your posts here would lead me to believe.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
158. If you are trying to make the point I think you are trying to make, you're splitting hairs
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 09:41 AM
Jun 2014

There are a couple of ways that I have seen folks approach the Rude Pundit's posts

1. He's just too rude/nasty in general for me.
OK, I can appreciate that. He's too much for some folks.

2. I don't like slurs of any kind against anyone, even in someone playing a character.
OK, I understand and can appreciate that too, but I would be curious if someone saying that has ever watched a film or show on Nazi Germany, American History X, or portrayals of the KKK, etc., and found the idea of actors playing those parts acceptable. Or portrayals of serial killers, or various other violent or sociopathic personalities. There is potentially nothing out of bounds for an actor playing a part. It's about accurately depicting the person/subject. In the case of the Rude Pundit, that is a character that Lee Papa plays that has a fairly simple premise. What would a Liberal/Progressive be like if they were as angry, rude and nasty as possible, no aversion to bigoted imagery and had nary a care whether they were offensive. That's the character. Lee Papa does not behave this way.

3. The allegations some have made against Rude Pundit is that he only uses slurs or what many of us agree are biased phrases against women or LGBT. That is clearly not true and I provided a link to prove that. The mere use of any of these words against women, LGBT, African Americans, Latinos or Jews out of character would definitely finish anyone's career on the left and probably finish anyone's career on the right. Now, I am guessing the point you are trying to make is that it's different because although he has used these words in a post, it's not the same because he has not directed those words at Republicans. Well, first off, outside of Clarence Thomas and Allen West, there isn't much opportunity to address Republican African Americans. The same goes for Latino Republicans. There's just not that many of them. Eric Cantor was one of the few Jewish Republicans in office. Not much opportunity there either. But to say that TRP avoids using these phrases like he uses various other offensive ones is just not true. Here is a link to his many uses of the N-word http://goo.gl/VV8Ky1 and here is a link to his uses of the 'K' word for Jews http://goo.gl/91Lfeq

There is no one arguing that these words/phrases/imagery are acceptable in American English. They are COMPLETELY UNacceptable in every instance outside of portraying a character.

I can even accept if the DU community ultimately decides that even after understanding what is going on here, his posts are outside of community standards. I just want to make sure people appreciate the situation.

Dr. Strange

(25,921 posts)
144. Because racism is wrong.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 02:31 AM
Jun 2014

But sexism is ever so cute when directed against Ann Coulter or Sarah Palin.

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
145. Exactly.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 02:53 AM
Jun 2014

And there's certainly no thought whatsoever among these cheerleaders that if liberals use these slurs against conservative women, what do you think liberal women experience? Do they think conservative hate-mongers are less inclined to use slurs against liberal women? Are they really that naive?


Don't they care that there's a huge problem for women speaking out on issues that they receive death threats, rape threats, and hate mail? Don't these so-called liberals care that women are being silenced because the price of speaking out on issues is too high? Already women must judge whether the price of speaking out is worth getting doxxed, having their faces photo-shopped onto porn pictures and having animations of their faces being beaten blue and bloody. It has been documented that these are typical reactions women face when putting themselves out there with their opinions. Even in Scandinavia this is a huge problem!

Don't they realize that the Rude Pundit and his supporters are taking away any moral high ground we could have used against them? Don't they realize that women see that their so-called fellow liberals have no problems attacking women on the other side because of their gender, rather than their opinions, and know that these "allies" can turn on them in a thrice if they say something these "allies" don't like?

The_Commonist

(2,518 posts)
60. Yes, actually, I do endorse that line of attack.
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 03:10 PM
Jun 2014

I don't have a problem with someone calling Ann Coulter the c-word, I don't have a problem with someone calling Clarence Thomas a "House N-word." I don't have a problem with any use of language, anywhere, about anything at any time. They're words, not bullets. We're adults, not 6 year-olds. You counter bad language and bad ideas with good language and good ideas. Not with censorship.

That being said, I do understand that:

1) there are generally MUCH better ways for people to express themselves. I'm not much of a curser. I will use a curse word very occasionally, but when I do, I MEAN IT!

2) people have different sensitivities. I don't mind being sensitive to other people's sensitivities. It's generally the right thing to do. Treat people with kindness, etc. Not everybody feels the same way about language that I do, so I never cursed around my grandmother, for example. My mother, on the other hand is much less sensitive, so I have certainly used curse words when talking to her. But, as with #1 above, when I do, she knows there's a good reason for it. It's not gratuitous.

3) there are community standards, and those standards are different for different communities. The C-word, the N-word and the F-word are not acceptable in THIS community. There are other on-line communities that I participate in where some or all of those words are perfectly acceptable. I must understand that if I want to participate in those communities, or be told to go F-word myself.

I leave you with this. I found this sequence profound, when I was 14 or 15 and my father took me to see this movie:

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
85. But the word police have already won.
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 04:01 PM
Jun 2014

And that is obvious because you have to use a letter to refer to it instead of the word.
And there are others too...like the B word and more to follow...perty soon every letter of the alphabet will be covered as those who find offense in such things find more and more to be offended by...there can never be an end to it.

It is almost like some people want us to live up to what the right wing says about us, that we are the intolerant ones and seek to be as repressive as they say we are.
Both left and right have their authoritarians that wish to control things...and we make a mistake if we follow them.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
150. I agree
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 06:24 AM
Jun 2014

The mid-'70s, when I was growing up, was a much different time than today.

It was far from a perfect world, but I think the race, gender, and even class divisions of that time were much weaker than they are today. They still existed, of course, but the alternative to living according to those divisions was more pervasive and viable. I lived on the East Coast and in California during this time and it was true in both areas.

I think it was because of the work of Lenny Bruce, George Carlin, Richard Pryor and others (along with the movements of that era, of course) that for a brief time many of the fill-in-the-blank words lost a lot of their power.

People condemn "Blazing Saddles" today for its alleged racist/sexist humor, but when it came out I think it was so popular because it reflected a much more liberated sensibility prevailing in our culture that gleefully mocked racism and sexism without dancing around them using PC euphemisms.

I remember I brought a copy of the Saturday Night Live album I had for an assignment in my freshman English class in high school. As a way to demonstrate satire (which was our assignment), I played the skit between Chevy Chase and Richard Pryor called "Word Association," which had Chevy interviewing Pryor for a job and using word association as part of the interview. It rapidly devolves into racist name-calling between the two and culminates with Chase saying "Nigger" and Pryor saying "Dead honky."

Not only did that air on national television (in which the live audience erupted in a tidal wave of laughter at the "Dead honky" part), but when I played the skit in our racially mixed class (about 50-50 black/white), everyone in the class laughed at it. I got an A.

Today, I probably would've been suspended.

 

AAO

(3,300 posts)
63. Certainly someone with such a dark soul could be called any names I can think of.
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 03:13 PM
Jun 2014

I think the C word could be used with confidence.

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
73. I've enjoyed his articles for many years.
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 03:38 PM
Jun 2014

His way of writing is cathartic with its over-the-top obscenity, and helped me get through some tough times, namely the agonizingly long Bush years and currently, the neverending batshit crazy conservative shenanigans. I'd rather people take up against the actions of homophobes and misogynists in real time instead of wasting all their time armchair-battling words used by people on the internet whom we know are self-aware and not actually any of those things.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
120. In context, yes. Completely.
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 09:20 PM
Jun 2014

Yes it's very coarse language. On their own those words are hurtful and certainly Ms. Coulter would be offended if this article was taken at face value. Certainly I wouldn't write a blog post saying "Ann Coulter is a (female body part)". Had I even posted something like that I would expect to be vilified in public.

However we're talking about a blog called "The Rude Pundit." Coarse language is to be expected. Mother-effin', N-word usage, yep lots of f-bombs, s-words, oh and c-words along with other choice vocabulary.

Frankly, in all due respect I would be surprised if The Rude Pundit didn't use those words to express his opinions as un-eloquently as he does.

The person who posts The Rude Pundits' blog posts I'm sure will do a better job at providing a snippet and link to the blog post in the future.

Maybe he's too effin' vulgar and coarse. Slap a warning on it - reader discretion is advised.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
141. It's a long time and a rare occasion, but Coulter I think was the first woman I referred to C word
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 02:02 AM
Jun 2014

As a woman I really detest that word, never dreamed that anyone could compel me to use it, Ann Coulter succeeded. I've evolved my thinking on the use of that term. There are times no other word fits.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
166. I wholeheartedly endorse it.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 12:17 PM
Jun 2014

The English language is not adequate for fully describing how truly vile and abhorrent a creature is Ann Coulter. Rude Pundit does the best job he can to fit language to the task, but her repulsiveness can only be approximated by the use of language.

The "c-word"? Give me a break. George Carlin spoke the "c-word" back in the 1970s and he didn't burst into flames nor was he struck by lightning.

I don't share the Puritan sensibility regarding language.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
171. Thank you for referring to it as the "c-word" as opposed to using the actual word.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 01:45 PM
Jun 2014

I assume this is so as not to offend people.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
172. I'm not offended by words in themselves, but rather by how they're used
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 02:24 PM
Jun 2014

and by the intent of the speech.

I'm not bothered in the least by strong language or "profanity". Why some people are is one of those things that I don't understand and must simply accept.

I did intentionally and only after deliberation abbreviate the "c-word" so as not to offend, but honestly I think that having this debate over this word more than 30 years after George Carlin's "seven dirty words" is almost absurd.

I think that Where the line is drawn regarding how much we must soften language to avoid offending some person is moving too far.

Could I get an alert for calling Dick Cheney a prick? It's not inconceivable.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
8. Sometimes thing are so horrific, like Bush' disgusting forway into Iraq...
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 01:41 PM
Jun 2014

That rudeness is the only possible response...KNR

wandy

(3,539 posts)
17. Sometimes a bit of fowl language is necessary...........
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 01:51 PM
Jun 2014

when trying to explain Teapublican Bull Shit.
Can't fault him for "callen em likes he sees em"

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
29. he was one of the few along with Bartcop that spoke out during the regime
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 02:08 PM
Jun 2014

even the politicians supposedly on our side didn't do that. He's rude for a reason.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
30. I loves me some Rude! The man is a wordsmith. Some of his words are naughty.
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 02:08 PM
Jun 2014

People need to either deal with it, or don't read his stuff.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
40. Reminds me of "A Christmas Story" (No, really)
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 02:26 PM
Jun 2014

Talking about his father's profanity-laced rants, Ralph remarks, "My father worked in profanity the way other artists might work in oils or clay."

ChazInAz

(2,569 posts)
38. Oh, yeah!
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 02:24 PM
Jun 2014

And he tells the truth.
I'm reminded of the many times Ambrose Bierce was criticized for not being more "gentlemanly" and "civilized" when he utterly savaged someone in print. His usual reply was that such vile specimens needed to be hurt and punished for their vileness. In such cases, he preferred the Bowie knife and axe to the scalpel.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
41. Two cheers from me
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 02:31 PM
Jun 2014

If I'm being truthful, there are times when I wish I could un-read some of Rude's vilest imagery. But given a choice between that or the deferential stenography of the official Washington press corps (not to mention the people on DU seemingly angling for Jay Carney's last job), the Rude One comes as a breath of foul air.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
107. This. Any occasional small issue I might have with his choice of language is well balanced
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 06:04 PM
Jun 2014

by my respect for his brutal honesty.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
42. I like that guy
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 02:32 PM
Jun 2014

But I feel like I can never link to him in a post, or FB because he uses really strong language. Doesn't bother me, but I don't want to offend other people. I wouldn't have thought it would be a problem here, but good to know.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
43. I've never shared Rude Pundit on Facebook...
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 02:36 PM
Jun 2014

My 80+ year old aunts all have accounts. I wouldn't want to cause a series of heart attacks.

But I think DU can handle him.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
44. He's also brilliant and one of the first media pundits who considered Women's Issues important.
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 02:41 PM
Jun 2014

Important enough to talk about. With NO snark. There are VERY few male political writers, editors, cartoonists or other pundits who speak of women as real, actual people whose concerns are just as important as any one else's.

Just because he uses lady parts words does not mean he's sexist. That is clear because he uses gentleman parts words with equal abandon, and aims his well-deserved insults at BOTH sexes, equally.

I have loved him for years, and still want to marry him!
I also wish I could refer to myself in the third person, as he does. That would be cool!.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
68. You know, George Carlin is well respected here...
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 03:28 PM
Jun 2014

And I've heard FAR worse from him. Hell, his seven words contain two of the words that caused some delicate flowers to get the vapors here.

I'd love to see some of those delicate flowers take a trip to England... They'd find that a couple words they don't like are common vernacular over there.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
80. Good (and pertinent) quote from George Carlin
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 03:50 PM
Jun 2014

"It's the duty of a comedian to find out where the line is drawn and then step over it."

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
95. Apparently some here can't differentiate between rudeness/vulgarity and bigotry.
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 04:20 PM
Jun 2014

Some, however, actually do find bigoted insults amusing.

Puglover

(16,380 posts)
76. It's really quite simple.
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 03:42 PM
Jun 2014

If something offends you don't read it.

DU is a discussion forum for adults. Not a support group. Trying to hold others hostage to your personal sensitivities is utter bullshit.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
84. That he got hidden today
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 04:00 PM
Jun 2014

by the pc police here is a stain on this site. I love his Rudeness and he's a guilty pleasure I'll give up for nobody.

Botany

(70,508 posts)
86. His last piece on Liz and Dick Cheney was spot on because "The Rude One," like ....
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 04:02 PM
Jun 2014

... me and so many others have had a belly full of Cheney's bullshit.

BTW yesterday morning on the Stephanie Miller Show his Rudeness was told of
Liz and Dick's WSJ piece and he went nuts over the 100% evil that is
the Cheneys.

egg shaped vibrator

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
96. I don't talk like TRP. I don't write like TRP. But I agree with TRP in his descriptions of this
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 04:22 PM
Jun 2014

nation's most disgusting humans.

THE VILEST PEOPLE DESERVE THE VILEST LANGUAGE.

Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
97. I have been reading
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 04:43 PM
Jun 2014

the Rude Pundit for several years now and I have enjoyed reading every single article of his. Hell, I even tried writing an OP similar to his style on Raw Story and it immediately got censored.

Beartracks

(12,814 posts)
116. Appreciation so noted!! ..... So, what's up with the...
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 09:03 PM
Jun 2014

... satire-challenged around here?

Context is important, people.

A MESSAGE is more than just the WORDS.

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randome

(34,845 posts)
124. It's a poor game when one can't express thoughts cogently without resort to juvenile profanity.
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 10:12 PM
Jun 2014

Drudge relies on shock tactics, too. Nothing is contributed to a discussion by the RP. It's like chocolate cake for dinner. Empty calories. I say 'Meh' to the Rude Pundit.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.
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mmm413

(185 posts)
129. I think
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 10:56 PM
Jun 2014

The Rude Pundit deserves better than DU. As I said earlier, he is a national treasure. And if he has to censor himself or DU feels like it does, then he deserves better. He has his blog and I hope he keeps blogging because we need him. When I saw his "edited" post I was offended that he had to even think of doing that. He doesn't hide the fact that he's "rude." Give the guy a break.

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
139. I don't know...
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 01:06 AM
Jun 2014

maybe if he'd watch his fucking mouth.

Seriously, K & R - just based on his outrageous style and unapologetic truthiness. Like his stuff, definitely a fan.

JackInGreen

(2,975 posts)
146. It's like the Jar of Branston Pickle on my shelf
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 02:55 AM
Jun 2014

It's strong to the point of overpowering and not everyones taste, but I love it and won't ever stop appreciating it.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
149. Apparently some think "Underground" means "Garden Party"
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 05:32 AM
Jun 2014

Sometimes, the cowardice of a few on DU makes me feel like vomiting.

doxydad

(1,363 posts)
151. + 1000
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 06:26 AM
Jun 2014

You can usually catch him on The Stephanie miller Show on Free Speech TV on ...I think.. Mondays. Please correct me if I am wrong about the day. He's GREAT!

sendero

(28,552 posts)
155. He says exactly what I want to say..
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 07:56 AM
Jun 2014

.... but he is a lot better at it.

I probably wouldn't use as many "homophobic" or "misogynist" terminology but I do have something to say about that.

If you are gay and you find his speech hurtful, you might have a point. If you are not gay and you find his "homo" references offensive, #$@%#$ you. If is not up to you to be offended for everyone else, get a fucking life.

TheBlackAdder

(28,201 posts)
164. TRP always starts his threads "The Rude Pundit:" If people can't handle the content, don't click!
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:52 AM
Jun 2014

It's amazing that we are even having this discussion here.

TRP threads always begin with "The Rude Pundit:," which is akin to NSFW.


If people get the vapors by reading such content... steer clear from opening the thread.

You know what's going to be in the thread... yet, you complain anyway.


Stay away from it and leave others to enjoy his off-color wit.


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